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While I understand being tired of the “quirky character” trope, I do think it’s interesting that the “quirky male characters” don’t get the same level of vitriol as quirky female characters.

(I’ve seen people shit on Mirabel for the same socially awkward behavior they love about Bruno.)

Also, nobody brings up the fact that a lot of the male companions, romantic or not, have had very similar personality traits as each other. Eugene, Kristoff, Maui & Nick Wilde all fall under the umbrella of “sarcastic and skeptical companion who warms up to their female counterparts after lacking emotional intelligence for the majority of the film.”

And I will be the first to admit that Eugene and Kristoff are two of my favorite male characters, but if we’re going to criticize the female characters, we need to criticize the female characters.

Also as far as having a character who doesn’t fit the mold of “adorkable Disney Princess,” Raya is right there, and nobody wanted to watch her movie or buy her movie… so there’s that.

Not saying all Disney Princesses should have the same personality, but I can’t help but have an itching feeling that a lot of the pushback against “quirky” and “adorkable” princesses is rooted in at least some form of misogyny. I mean, what? Girls can’t be socially awkward? Is that what you’re saying?

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My point, exactly.

But for real, nobody give Olaf a sword, the idea terrifies me.

What I want for each character in F3 (&4)

Anna

Her trauma to be addressed.

They’ve honestly played around with Anna’s relationship with her self worth in deleted scenes, and I think they should actually commit to it this time. It makes so much sense considering everything she’s been through.

GIVE HER A FUCKING SWORD AND ACTUALLY LET HER USE IT GODDAMMIT.

Her relationship with Mathias gets explored.

Elsa

Can we actually have her save the day on her own for once? I get that Anna’s the “hero” but I actually just want her to save the day. Just once. Doesn’t have to be both movies. Just one will be fine.

I would love to explore more of Elsa without her powers. 💙

I think they could dig a little deeper into Elsa than they have been.

Kristoff

A FUCKING BACKSTORY. What happened to him before he was with those ice harvesters in the beginning of F3 + F4

GIVE HIM A FUCKING SWORD AS WELL.

I just need more of Kristoff being one of my favorite fictional boyfriends.

Olaf

I know F1 Olaf represented a young child, F2 Olaf represented an older Olaf, F3 should make Olaf a teenager because it would be funny. /j

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Can I just…make a defense post for Anna real quick?

Recently, people have been grouping recent Disney heroines into this new group “Quirky Girl” and have been claiming that they’re all the same character.

Now, I can’t speak for every Disney Heroine because I’m more well versed in Frozen-ness, so I want to talk about why Anna is much more than just a “Quirky Girl” clone.

The argument being made is that the only flaw that the “Quirky Girl” has is that…well…she’s quirky. Other than this, she’s typically portrayed as always being right while being spirited and positive.

Yes, Anna is quirky and positive. Yes, she is determined and brave and always means well. But to say that this is her only flaw is wildly incorrect.

Anna is forceful as hell — she strong-arms people to get her way and doesn’t take no for an answer. This is what leads to so many conflicts in F1 and F2. In F1, she is also very naive. She is desperate for love, and even romantic love — something that a lot of modern Disney heroines have actually not even addressed. And in F2 she is terrified of change and losing the people she loves. I would even say that Anna kind of matures and even loses a bit of the quirky characteristics. Like…Anna is incredibly flawed. She is so much more than just ‘quirky’ and spirited, and she’s definitely not always in the right.

I would dare to even say that she actually fights to be determined and earns the right to be so. Like, this girl has been through so much shit that the fact she can find the courage to rise and still fight — holy crap. Anna is such multi-dimensional character and it’s just so sad to me that people are just seeing her quirky side and immediately dismissing her.

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Also, is the ship name for Isabela and Elsa… Elsabela? Because it’s pretty but I also really like Snowflower.

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Can ROTBTD make a come back? I know it’s still around, but I haven’t heard alot from the fandom in years, and that fandom was my shit. I just want it to become popular again.

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Also, H*lsa stans found this, but I’m not going to argue. The post was appropriately tagged. If I wanted to argue with you guys, I would have tagged the ship. But a few things:

First of all, I never said that Hans was only important to Anna. It’s the fact that every “argument” I hear about why Hans is a good guy is focused on Elsa as a character, and never focuses on Anna.

He found a woman that was sheltered and do anything for love, used her trauma to manipulate her for his own personal gain. Not only that, he left her for dead instead of helping her. This is something that happens to women in real life, and I honest to god think that it’s insensitive to say that he really wasn’t that bad, when women face this shit every day.

The issue isn’t that I don’t see the “broader point of Hans character”- it’s that people in this fandom don’t see any character’s importance outside of how they impacted Elsa. Because guess what H*lsa shippers?

He tried to kill her also… after leaving her sister for dead. He used her own fears against her, the same way he used Anna’s fears against her.

Hans is not a good person, he’s a great villain, but you guys making him out to be this misunderstood victim? No. Again, like I said in the previous tags, if you think he deserves a redemption arc, I strongly disagree, but that’s one thing. Denying that what he did was evil is gross.

Hot take: Hans was a great villain, some of you cannot get over your crush on him to see that the villain twist not only makes sense, but is important for Anna’s character especially.

How oftentimes, growing up in sheltered environments makes people more susceptible to be manipulated… which Anna was. To show how her desperation of love could be used against her by people who don’t really give a shit about her.

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Hot take: Hans was a great villain, some of you cannot get over your crush on him to see that the villain twist not only makes sense, but is important for Anna’s character especially.

How oftentimes, growing up in sheltered environments makes people more susceptible to be manipulated… which Anna was. To show how her desperation of love could be used against her by people who don’t really give a shit about her.

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When Anna and Kristoff get married, Anna’s maid of honor will definitely be Elsa, and Kristoff’s best man will definitely be Sven. Which means now, I am imagining Elsa dancing with a reindeer.

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Apparently she’s “annoying” and “not like other girls” now, and “quirky.”

Which is funny because the internet went through a phase of hating her for being like other girls.

The internet is going through another phase of hating on Anna, and I don’t like it.

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The internet is going through another phase of hating on Anna, and I don’t like it.

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Idc if they make Elsa gay, MAKE SOMEBODY GAY.

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Disney / Frozen books should be taken with a grain of salt, because most (if any) are not written by the people who made the movies. By all means, read them! Enjoy them! Remember however, that just because something is in the books doesn’t mean it’s canon.

Something to keep in mind with the new movies coming out!

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Oh thats interesting I always thought their types fit them well, but ofc I ve only done some brief reading about it.

What would you type them as, now I am curious👀?

To be fair, had I not gone through a phase, and I just knew MBTI from like, 16 personalities or something, I would probably think the same! However, I unfortunately went through a phase, and learned about cognitive functions and stuff, so given that, I disagree with their typings.

Also, contrary to popular belief, typing characters is subjective, because we each interpret characters differently. So you are welcome to disagree with my typings, in fact a lot of you probably will.

Now to start:

Elsa

Elsa, I think is a little hard to place, because of her isolation in the first movie, but between both movies, I think she is definitely an ISTJ, especially after taking cognitive functions into account.

Now, people are often hesitant in typing Elsa as ISTJ, because of the stereotypes associated with it- that they’re unemotional, stone cold etc. Which is simply not true- ISTJs are some of the sweetest people I’ve ever met.

But again, as far as cognitive functions go, Elsa fits ISTJ much better than she fits INFJ- even when it comes to the weaker functions.

First, an introductory to intuitive and sensing cognitive functions:

Ni (Introverted Intuition): Zooms in on one idea

Ne (Extroverted Intuition): Focuses on many ideas.

Si (Introverted Sensation): evaluates experience against curated memories.

Se (Extroverted Sensing): Focuses on experience as it unfolds

These are very watered down definitions, but I am tried to avoid giving you a crash course on cognitive functions and how they work because this is already going to be a very long post.

INFJs strongest functions are Ni & Fe, which in my opinion… she is lacking in both, especially Fe (we will get into thinking and feeling functions in a moment).

I do think a case could be made for her being Ni, and I can also see her being an INTJ. However, I think as far as decisions she’s made, she looks to the past or present to make decisions, rather than the abstract or future.

Even at Elsa’s healthiest, the unknown excites her, but she is very hesitant in leaving behind what she knows. I always interpreted Into the Unknown as her dominant Si and inferior Ne conflicting with each other.

She never exactly zooms into one idea. When she is able to use her intuition freely, she is open to many possibilities, and is influenced by the past. Throughout her journey, in both movies, she is constantly equating current events to things that happened to her in the past.

So that is why I personally see her as Si vs Ni.

Now onto feeling and thinking portion:

Fi (Introverted Feeling): Prioritizes individual values / emotions

Fe (Extroverted Feeling): Prioritizes group values / emotions

Ti (Introverted Thinking): Subjective logic.

Te (Extroverted Thinking): Objective logic

Now, a case could also be made for Elsa having Ti somewhere in her stack. However, again, the logic she follows, whether flawed or not, has been presented to her from an outside source. Elsa has no subjective opinion when it comes to her logic, she goes by what she is told.

As for Fe vs Fi, I do think she has no Fe whatsoever, but I do understand where people are coming from when they say she does. Because again, the way anything online, even the definition I gave, a lot of people misinterpret it into meaning:

Fi is selfish and Fe is selfless, and that is not even close to being the case.

Fi users can be selfless if they have selfless personal values and Fe users can be selfish if group values are generally selfish… if that makes sense.

The thing however, is that everything we see of Elsa, every decision she makes can be traced back to personal values. The act of isolating herself from her sister to protect them are selfless acts… but they also come from her valuing her sister and her kingdom. It never comes from the kingdom’s values.

Even in Frozen 2, her own personal desires and values are what drives her motivations. She often doesn’t take into account the fears of others when it comes to making her decisions.

Overall, I just don’t see her as having an Ni-Fe-Ti-Se (INFJ) stack. Si-Te-Fi-Ne just seems to fit her better.

Anna

Now, Anna I have a bit more of a controversial take. A lot of people don’t see her as ENFP, but most people who argue against that type argue for ESFP… but I really don’t see that either. At least not after Frozen 2.

No, her personality type for me, is ESFJ.

She isn’t a mind reader, she doesn’t always know how everyone is feeling, but her emotions are also directly impacted by everyone else’s emotions. Even when she does explore her own feelings, she almost always pushed them aside to understand others emotions.

In Frozen, her anger at Elsa is almost immediately dispersed when Elsa’s situation is revealed, then she focuses on Elsa’s. In Frozen 2, she does have her own fears, but she almost always acknowledges Elsa’s feelings before explaining her own emotions.

Not only that, Anna, just like Elsa, is also very hesitant to change, arguably more so. The only reason she is so eager for things to change in the first movie was because she was lonely.

Not only that, but her logic, especially in the first movie is very subjective, and based on things she has seen or noticed in the past. Her ideas of true love aren’t influenced by an objective source, from what we can see.

So I guess I can understand where the exfp type is coming from, but I personally don’t see it.

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As a fan of Frozen, I reluctantly accept that ENFP & INFJ are the personality types the creators of the movie gave Elsa & Anna.

As someone who had an unhealthy obsession with MBTI & Enneagram as a teenager, I also think those types are bullshit.

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Frozen Characters as Traditional Christmas Treats

Elsa - Candy Canes

Anna - Hot Cocoa

Kristoff - Pecan Pie

Sven - Reindeer Marshmallow Pops

Olaf - Gingerbread Men

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Anyways, all Frozen characters are autistic, with varying traits.

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“Anti-social, autistic lover of nature” is the best description, not to mention, most accurate description of Kristoff’s character I have ever seen.

"Fixer Upper"'s Kristoff, a free spirited kind of anti social autistic lover of nature with ice as a special interest could match with F2 Elsa and the Enchanted Forest, frankly. Kristelsa has never been more close.