Pro-Endo/PluralPunk. Systempunk and anti-psych. WE ARE TRAUMAGENIC. HRT started 9/3/24. DNI Radqueers, proship, exclus, pro-psychs and psych crits, sysmeds, and any trash that supports israel in any way
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V - I feel like people don’t understand how physically disabling dissociative disorders can be. Sometimes our dissociation brings weakness and pain to our body, sometimes it gets so bad we can’t move at all and we can’t make it to places because of it. This only happens when we’re blurry or blended, it’s why we want full separation for ourselves and people still come to our inbox insulting us over it.
#pluralgang#endo safe#plurality#plural system#actually plural#plural community#system things#systempunk#syspunk
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Syscourse Speedrun
- Endogenic means a system formed for reasons not correlated to trauma
- Endogenic does NOT mean a complete lack of trauma in an individual
- Endogenics, Pro-Endos and adjacent fundamentally view systemhood differently and outside of solely disordered experiences
That said...
- Complex Dissociative Disorders (DID/OSDD/Etc) have well known and studied ties to trauma, with complexity rising from prolonged and severe cases.
- Trauma is not part of diagnostic criteria to include those who cannot remember their trauma due to dissociation. Not because it isn't an important or known factor.
- Integration =/= Fusion, Integration is the lessening of dissociative barriers and a systems ability to function together. Fusion is the merging of parts.
- Final fusion and functional multiplicity are both viable end goals and up to the systems desires and needs. Integration is required for both of these.
- People are allowed to be affected positively AND negatively by their disorders and life experiences.
- People are also allowed to view their disorders in whatever way they desire
- It is not your job to police people because you think what they're doing is harmful for them.
- It is also not your job to tell people they have trauma that they just don't know about.
- Dissociation is a spectrum.
- Other disorders experience dissociative parts with less elaboration like those with DID/OSDD/Etc
- Westernized Tulpamancy and Tulpas as known today are not directly related to Tibetan Buddist Nirmanakaya or Sprul-pa. Westernized Tulpamancy comes from 20th century mystic explorers, who developed these ideas mostly independently.
- Vajrayana and Mahayana Buddhism are open and inclusive religions anyway, but what Tulpamancers practice is very different.
- There is a conversation to be had about the suppression of religious freedom that has affected Tibetan Buddhism, but it's still not a closed practice.
- Something here about Theosophy in relation to Westernized Tulpamancy
- Plural is not solely synonymous with system, and not everyone who identifies as plural is a system.
- Not every system will identify as plural either.
- The term plural has ties to other non-system communities such as alterhumanity.
- Plural is an inherently inclusive term.
- People are allowed to be wrong about their origins in whatever potential way.
- Being wrong is not equivalent to faking.
- Origins are self applied labels and tell you very little about a person and their system
- Origins can and often do overlap.
- Endogenic origins does not mean a system cannot be diagnosed and meet criteria for a CDD.
- People are allowed to view and label their parts in whatever way is best for them.
- System accountability is important. You are one tangible entity and you take responsibility for the things that occur because of your system.
- Discourse stances do not make a person or space inherently safer or more dangerous.
- People's actions speak louder than labels, and anyone can be a horrible person.
- Its up to a system to determine their own boundaries and needs.
- You don't need to argue if your boundaries differ from someone else's; enforce your own.
- Block people and topics that make you uncomfortable and especially if they're potentially triggering.
- Genuinely, please just learn to be friends with the block button.
- Harassment is bad no matter who you are.
- Yes it's still bad if you disagree with someone or think they're in the wrong.
- Criticism is not harassment.
- Even if you don't intent to change your mind, facilitating genuine conversation with people instead of assuming things about them or their experiences will contribute to a better interaction for both sides.
- Ableism is bad.
- Stop using things like delusional as Insults or treating people with ficticious disorder poorly.
- Stop treating mentally ill adults as inherently incapable of functioning or dictating things for themselves.
- Sanism is Also bad.
- Fake claiming is bad.
- Stop insinuating that pro-endos (and adjacent) aren't traumatized, aren't systems or can't have CDDs.
- Yes, again, fake claiming is bad even if you don't like or disagree with someone.
- Stop saying its "so easy" to tell who fakers are.
- The psychiatric and mental health systems are full of flaws.
- Diagnosis is a privilege for some and isn't for others.
- Some people may not want or desire a diagnosis for many reasons. This does not make their problems any less than.
- Being medically recognized is just as valid as having a diagnosis.
- Yes, therapists can diagnose people with things. A title does not equal credentials.
- If a therapist cannot diagnose you due to their credentials or other factors but suspects something, they will refer you to another professional who can for evaluation.
- Some therapists will choose of their own volition not to diagnose patients for varying reasons.
- Self diagnosis and self suspecting isn't a bad thing. Research is always encouraged for accuracy of what you suspect.
- The resources people find through self diagnosis even if not the right thing to suspect can be helpful for someone's situation.
- Reiterating here again that being wrong isn't faking, and that being wrong isn't a bad thing.
- Being able to help yourself cope is a good thing.
- Recognizing your symptoms if you intend to speak to a professional is also a good thing.
People are all different, be kind.
If you have questions I'm glad to talk, if you are aggressive or just trying to start something, you will be blocked :)
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I love you spiritual systems that are also psychological
I love you walk-ins of any kind
I love you soulbonds and charabonds that get upset how they're displayed and treated by their source (ot waste writing term you use) fandom
I love you spiribonds (+ other walk-ins) who struggle to take care of a human body
I love you intrabonds
I love you exobonds
I love you walk-ins who have relationships with non-spirutual headmates
I love you walk-ins who get told your relationships aren't real because you're with a non-spiritual headmate (more directed to our system's walk-ins, but this goes for any out there)
I love you mixed origin systems with spiritual headmates
I love you mixed origins who have been told "you're either a spiritual system or you're not/you can't be both" (or have had thoughts of someone saying these things)
I love you systems/headmates that have spiritual practices and those who don't
I love you walk-ins who wish to see more people like you and get upset when you don't
I love you bondsystems
I love you cosmagenics
I love you gateway systems
I love you metaphysical systems
I love you psychgenic systems
I love you soulbased systems
I love you seelegenic systems
I love you all
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Okay maybe this is a shit take but it's lowkey really sad that so many people are against spirigenic systems?? I thought with how much overlap between the kin, therian, and plural communities there is it would be kind of understood that different people have different spiritual experiences and we should respect that even if we don't understand. Like. We understand it's more than a little rude to tell a Muslim that Allah doesn't exist, or a Christian that God doesn't exist as a way to demean or discredit their beliefs/identity, right? (Using a really basic example because im too tired to write out a more detailed one but I should hope my intentions are understood). Why is it suddenly a horrible thing if someone feels their religion effects them in some way that contributes to them being plural? A therian can have past lives as their theriotype, but a spirigenic system can't have their past lives define their plurality? It's just. I don't know. I find it unfair, I find it sad, I find it hard to wrap my head around.
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this website is so funny because every couple years we repeat the discourse of "which marginalised group is it morally okay for us to shit on?" and somehow nobody ever learns from it. we just look back and go, "hey, remember that time when everyone was joking about how ace people should all be put in meat grinders? that was so messed up. we should not have done that. anyway, here's my topical joke about how polyamorous people should all be put in meat grinders."
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Maybe if people updated more we wouldn't turn to ai
You’re a pathetic, impatient loser. Fanfic writers owe you nothing, and their writing is their own, not yours to do with as you choose, you entitled brat.
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every person who makes comments abt forcefully sterilizing men bc of abortion bans owes men of color, especially black and indigenous men, disabled men, poor men, and lgbt men a big fucking apology. perpetrating historic forced sterilization and eugenics isn’t feminist.
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"Death before detransition"
Seen in San Diego, California
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you should be able to go to a hospital and go hello I am an addict and they give you your substance of choice for the day .
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as a woman with elevated testosterone (pcos) who uses steroids (asthma inhalers) i must say i am feeling very cheated in the athletic prowess department. when is my dangerous masculine olympic level strength and speed supposed to kick in. do i need to go to professor x
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V- Self shipper otherkin that hates fictionkin, place your bets I give it 2 months before kinsidering a fictional character
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”I would be so anxious about accidentally disrespecting their preferences that I would probably stop talking to them altogether” How can you be so stupid that you can’t see this as a direct transphobia argument, replace dude with pronouns and your neurons might fire enough to fucking see it
omggg you think dude and bro are gender neutral and u should be able to call anyone that? should we throw a party? should we invite bella hadid
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Journal entry about my in-sys soulmate. I love you Johnny, we’ve crossed stars to meet another.
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I dont think he is but this was more a statement on how anti endo discourse is usually crazy shit like "hey as anti endos we shouldnt support astro-""Shut up I bet you're a faker just like those endos!"*more infighting*
Internal pro endo discourse: no pro endo doesn’t include willows!! They’re radendos!1!1!1 I promise I didn’t just make that up on the spot!1!1!1
internal anti endo discourse: alright astro now hit the second tower
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I discovered that one of my favorite content creators is a system, I'm so happy, I want to dance with happiness, oh oh I love my life !!!!✨✨✨✨✨✨✨
What!! Who?? That’s awesome!
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