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just brothers being brothers

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Patrick Schwarzenegger in The White Lotus

3.07 "Killer Instincts"

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me about saxon this whole last ep

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I love that your ask tab is "worship me" :D cracked up. My question is, is Saxon capable of actual introspection and positive change. I have serious doubts.

Sorry if this was already discussed, do you think they will again end up in a sexual relationship/affair? Is there any hope that there can be something functional, it can't be super healthy of course, still?.

thank you, hehehe 💖

i do think he is! one of the biggest themes of the white lotus as an entire show is cycles, never changing, patriarchy/class differences, choices you make leading to outcomes destined to occur by virtue of your choices... but ultimately as humans, we are all capable of change. saxon, in the beginning of the show, is disgusting in a way millions of wealthy men are. he's pretty typical, surface-level. what's not typical is his journey through the season. ultimately, saxon receives the biggest wake-up call of his life, and in real life, this change happens slowly and from within. we are blessed with the knowledge that papa ratliff's crimes mean that saxon is about to be knocked HARD off of his pedestal, whatever form that takes; whether the house is reclaimed, his job is lost, or the family disbands. he's got two choices: change, or double-down. saxon who Doubles Down ends up with like cameron from season two with a wife he resents and kids who aren't his, except (by virtue of a brother, a man who knows him intimately, who confronts him with himself) always with that voice in the back of his head telling him every night he lies awake in bed that he is living a false life. this is compelling to ME.

saxon who changes... well, there's a lot of forms that can take. maybe he joins a yoga class and meets a girl who likes to fix men, and he never tells her about thailand and he never tells her about chelsea's books and she never meets saxon's brother, who moved to NYC for college and never looked back. maybe he has a breakdown at work and he gets six weeks off for mandated therapy and rehab that he thinks is a waste of time but ends up being as honest as he can, anyway, because he's never been able to help himself, moves to canada, and never speaks to his family again, unable to face his experience and eager to start somewhere with a fresh last name (and a huge pay-cut, pretty-boy).

maybe he visits the ratliff family lake house for christmas and they talk carefully around his father. maybe, in this timeline, he and lochlan end up alone when mother drags piper off to meet the blond scion of a less radioactive family name than they have, and saxon stares carefully at the chandelier he watched a team of contractors install when he was six years old, when his father stood tall with his arms crossed, when he didn't have a brother, and lochlan asks how is your new-- job? going? because he doesn't know fucking anything about his brother, and saxon doesn't know how to answer, in this new world, where he's started to seriously consider life being a test to make him a better person, so he says good. it's good. maybe lochlan says okay, like he's answering a question saxon doesn't know he asked. maybe saxon looks at him, then, and lochlan says-- nothing, but an understanding passes between them the way it did in a room on a boat in another country, and they wordlessly head outside to the bunk house. maybe they kiss, or they don't, and one or both of them cry, and saxon holds lochlan's chin in his hand and thinks about their matching teeth, lochy's jawline something he got from his grandfather, and they collapse together the way they maybe could have months ago if saxon had been honest and terrible. maybe lochlan says it's okay, i want this, and saxon wants to scream, or maybe instead he says i don't-- blame you--, and saxon leaves and never looks him in the eyes again, even at saxon's wedding with no best man, or maybe lochlan says nothing but he sees him and they do kiss, while saxon comes and lochlan's hungry mouth takes advantage. maybe, years later, they speak honesty into each other's temples in a condo in another state where "ratliff" means exactly nothing at all.

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#don't mind me #just obsessing over saxon touching lochlan when they kiss

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i’m sorry if your ask has been sitting in my inbox for a month it will be sitting there for a little longer because i’m working on a saxloch fic and it’s consumed my every waking moment. much love to all

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how do you think tim's views on masculinity differ from sax's?

Generationally girl! Saxon views masculinity as a young stallion, sowing his oats, having fun and doing what he wants and achieving his very superficial goals. Tim is a Patriarch, he's a husband and father and leader of a company. He's the classic paterfamilias with some Southern Charm. He's in charge, but it's more collective. He has more to lose than his pride, he has a wife and children he has to take care of and protect, and give the best life possible. That's the source of his pride.

Saxon has never been responsible for anyone. He may be responsible for some people's financial assets, but it's heavily implied he does not have a lot of responsibility or power at work. He has no family, and his clumsy attempts to be a big brother to his siblings do not count, and he sucks at it anyway lol. We don't know if the Ratliffs ever had pets but I doubt Saxon would ever have been the one taking care of a dog or whatever. He has no nurturing instincts in him at all. And to be Father you have to be a little bit supportive and nurturing. That old school masculinity kind of paradoxically seems a little more feminine to a lot of braindead gen-z alpha bros.

So yeah, Tim views masculinity as success and power, just like Saxon, but they have different priorities. Tim is a protector-provider as well as a leader, whereas Saxon sees himself as a stud, focusing on hedonism and imposing his will on everyone around him. Tim's view is a little more mature, family oriented, leaves room for dissent and different opinions... stuff like that. Saxon's view is not mature, at all, and is solely about himself, his wants and needs, no room for argument, no margin of error.

I actually think Tim would be a little disgusted by Saxon's behavior if he didn't also have a "boys will be boys" mentality, and didn't recognize his younger self at least a little in the kind of shit Saxon gets up to (or at least got up to in college). So I think he's torn, knowing his son is not setting himself up to be a protector-provider, nor a success in business... but he can't help but respect him as a man who's healthy, strong, hardworking, and shares most of the same values as him.

I can so easily see them fighting over politics. Because there would be a lot of subtle differences to their shades of conservatism. I actually headcanon Tim as one of the last Blue Dog Democrats. Saxon would be off the rails Republican, maybe even alt-right.

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Some dirty underwear are missing from Saxon's hamper, and after searching for them, he ends up finding some in Lochlan's bedroom, one of them under his pillow and covered in dry cum.

Unwilling to talk about it, Saxon prefers to avoid the subject entirely, pretending he hasn't noticed, but he starts wearing his boxers a little longer, for two or three days, working out real hard and getting sweatier than usual. He stops using towels after jerking off, and instead uses his undies as cumrags, leaving them soaked and on top of his dirty laundry, easy to see, easy to grab. He even leaves his bedroom door open more often for easy access.

This doesn't miss, they all disappear and Saxon knows his pervert of a little brother is enjoying them.

Maybe he'll find the courage to talk to him about it though. Better catch red-handed, surprising him in his bedroom late at night with his nose buried in big bro's undies. That'll make things interesting.

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I was actually thinking just now – I want to do it too. Like, come with you. Here. (...) Right now, I really – I really don't feel like going home. Like, ever. And yeah, I just think it'd be cool to be somewhere else. With you.

THE WHITE LOTUS 3x07 | Killer Instincts

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we haven't talked enough about lochlans face journey after saxon unleashes the Worship Me line. Girl was buffering in real time over that.

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i understand now why patrick schwarzenegger never shuts up about the tight lotus. i’ve sent that fic with me in it to everyone in my life i could possibly (appropriately) send it to

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via Patrick’s Instagram <3

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Patrick Schwarzenegger in The White Lotus

3.06 "Denials" / 3.08 "Amor Fati"

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I’m glad you liked it! I was worried I had maybe gone too crazy, or that the gym scene wasn’t accurate, but let me know if you’d ever want a sequel (because I did envision Saxon obsessing over you to the point he gives in and lets you top him too)

you have my complete and sincere blessing to put me in as many saxloch fics and make them as crazy as you want

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Never not thinking about how for all of the protein shakes Saxon made lochlan drink, we were robbed of even one single scene of them going to the gym together. Where the potential for homoeroticism would’ve been boundless. Maybe we as a society haven’t done anything to deserve that yet.

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Any one of you, every one of you thirsting over the brothers are wrong in so many ways. You are simply thirsting over conventionally attractive white males who are wealthy and famous and had all the means to get perfect body and fix any looks issues, and their parents already genetically selected advantages in look wise. And I think all of you are girls. And there’s incest on top of that and still you are doing it.

oh my god this is like a milestone. hell yeah man