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The way his hookup with Lochlan kinda forces Saxon to confront the way he dehumanizes the women he has sex with is soooo important to me. Like what happens when the person on the other end of your dick is actually important to you? what if the person getting you off is the same one you built pillow forts with? the one whose scraped knees you bandaged? or consoled during thunderstorms in the middle of the night? the same one who knows you probably better than anyone else? I don't think it's just the fact that it's a guy or even that it's his brother that bothers Sax (although OF COURSE those are hugely disturbing factors for him) I think it's also the intimacy of sharing his body with someone who actually knows him that puts the final nail in the coffin of Saxon's sanity. He views sex and sexual vulnerability as something so inherently degrading and compromising, it's so crazy to watch the mental gymnastics he has to do to justify what happened with his Lochy.

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THE WHITE LOTUS S03E08 - Amor Fati

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awesome 👍

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it is soooo funny to me how chloe kinda just decided to ruin saxon’s life and his entire sense of self because she was bored. like she could’ve just fucked lochlan and been done with it but she saw the weird little covert incest going on and thought “hmm i wonder how long it would take me to make this overt incest” and the answer is Not Very!

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The way his hookup with Lochlan kinda forces Saxon to confront the way he dehumanizes the women he has sex with is soooo important to me. Like what happens when the person on the other end of your dick is actually important to you? what if the person getting you off is the same one you built pillow forts with? the one whose scraped knees you bandaged? or consoled during thunderstorms in the middle of the night? the same one who knows you probably better than anyone else? I don't think it's just the fact that it's a guy or even that it's his brother that bothers Sax (although OF COURSE those are hugely disturbing factors for him) I think it's also the intimacy of sharing his body with someone who actually knows him that puts the final nail in the coffin of Saxon's sanity. He views sex and sexual vulnerability as something so inherently degrading and compromising, it's so crazy to watch the mental gymnastics he has to do to justify what happened with his Lochy.

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The way Saxon wants Lochlan to be like him is the exact same framework of the relationship Tim has with Saxon: your only goal in life should be to become me, but you better fail.

Tim has a very condescending relationship with Saxon. We really only get two scenes highlighting this, but the first is his conversation with Saxon after his tantrum. He flat out lies to him and says he's impressed by Saxon's career thus far. Saxon knows that he doesn't have a lot going for him at work, and expresses frustration that he's not being trusted with more responsibility. Then at the party, Tim just keeps deflecting Saxon's accusations and ignores his heartfelt confession that all he'll ever be is Timothy Ratliff's son, and that he's okay with that. Because that's what Saxon has been ordained to do, follow in Tim's footsteps, but never overtake him.

Saxon takes this relationship and pays it forward to Lochlan. Except Lochlan is a high schooler, he has no career (and seemingly no ambitions in terms of a future career), so Saxon takes the only thing he is quote unquote good at, and constructs the same framework of a relationship. He's good at sex (allegedly). Therefore, Lochlan should want to be him, follow him, learn from him, mold himself into him, but he better not succeed. That defeats the entire purpose of this narcissistic... I don't even know what to call it. I also think it's telling that Saxon is much more involved and intense about it than Tim is with him.

Tim seems a little aloof with all of his children (Piper the least), and maybe Saxon is so much more forward because he wants to feel like the Man, the Alpha, the Big Dog. He doesn't get affirmation or respect from his dad so he turns the dial hard trying to farm these feelings from his little brother. If his self worth can't come from making his dad proud it sure will come from having his little brother worship him. And a cornerstone of that is that Lochlan can't actually succeed. He can't learn from Saxon and then score chicks (heavens forbid start pulling more girls than Saxon). That defeats the whole point.

So Saxon is constantly putting Lochlan down, making snide little comments, seemingly sabotaging his efforts, making Lochlan look young and inexperienced and awkward and cute in front of the women he is supposedly trying to get his brother to fuck. Lochlan can only ever be the student, always in need of more advice or assistance, shadowing Saxon, watching and learning. Maybe by being Saxon's wingman, his adorkable baby brother who makes Saxon look more tolerable to women? Lending a helping hand? No not like that Lochlan!

I think Victoria's relationship with Piper is somewhat similar. But it's different because they're women. What does Victoria value most in life? Comfort, beauty, status, wealth. Piper's only goal in Victoria's eyes is to not embarrass the family, find a husband, and start her own family. And the thing is, Piper is already younger than Victoria, she's already succeeded at besting Victoria at her own game. So I think that's why Victoria has a much more fraught relationship with her daughter. If her narcissism demands Piper become her but fail... but Piper can't fail because she'll always be younger and prettier than Victoria is... I can see that resentment clouding every aspect of their interactions. Piper can't be Victoria's doe eyed apprentice or lackey like Lochlan is to Saxon as Saxon is to Tim.

Even when Piper wants to do something pretty harmless like take her eat pray love gap year in Thailand, which would not harm her "prospects," at all, certainly not more than Tim's crimes and humiliation, Victoria is adamant that Piper is throwing her life away. I can easily imagine that Piper has spent her whole life having every decision scrutinized by Victoria. She's been nitpicked clean, and she can't take it anymore. That's why she's daddy's girl, and it's also why mama's boy Saxon takes up the charge and bullies Piper on their mom's behalf.

Which brings me to Victoria's relationship to Saxon: if Piper will always be a younger version of her, and she resents that... Saxon will always be a younger version of Tim. But also a combination of Tim and her, their first born, the boy that made her a mother. Of course he's the apple of her eye. And there's no doubt in my mind her life plan includes Saxon taking care of her if Tim should ever pass. And isn't Tim about to lose everything for them and probably go to jail (if only for a few months)? She's probably been adultifying and toying with emotional incest with Saxon for a long time.

Same thing with Tim and Piper, but the inverse obviously. Piper is not a threat to Tim's grandiose master of the universe narcissistic persona. She's daddy's girl, she is a precious object that Tim is meant to cherish and then give away to a man who impresses him (a man he will undoubtedly expect to be similar to himself). He kind of has a soft spot for Piper, but he's very comfortable pretending that he's getting rid of their phones for her sake, and the way she lights up at that... ouch.

Meaning neither parent really ever gave a fuck about Lochlan. The heir (Saxon) has a spare, and he's a boy, so he's not a resource to be traded to another rich family for more status. He can't do anything for them so they're content to just focus on the most "egregious" ways he embarrasses the family name, namely posture.

The Ratliff family structure is built by bricks and mortar of pure narcissism. Narcissistic parents pitting their children against each other, demanding their loyalty and emulation, but unable to cope with the idea that their children could ever surpass them (you know, like normal parents would be thrilled about). Those children in turn recreate a similar dynamic with the youngest, who they almost treat more like their pet than anything else.

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you guys have no idea how hard it is for me not to doxx myself on here every single day

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do you guys remember when jason isaacs spoiled that all 3 ratliff siblings survived the finale on march 22nd? i do

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he’s so fucking stupid it makes me emotional. No??? What??? then he has to go pseudo-buddhist to get over being too into the pleasures of his brother’s flesh. you’re going to CHRISTIAN HELL FOREVER!!!!

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every time i reblog a saxloch gifset i go through the rbs and find out that ive reblogged it before like a week ago. embarrassing!

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The White Lotus 3.05 "Full-Moon Party"

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something else that lives rent free in my mind is how disgusting Saxon is going to feel about himself every time he has to interact with people back at home after the trip. like he's being interrogated over his father's crimes as someone who moaned when his brother's fingers threaded through his hair. He's in board rooms and meetings now as someone who knows what his little brother tastes like. he's at the bar picking up women as someone whose brother knows the exact face he makes when he cums so hard he can't see straight. like this shit is going to haunt every single interaction he has with people until he has absolutely no choice but to explode. and I wish more than anything we could have seen that fallout lol

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SAM NIVOLA & PATRICK SCHWARZENEGGER "Special Treatments" — The White Lotus (3.02)

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can't believe we both tagged the same thing about white boy withdrawals independently 😭😭 the saxloch hivemind begins -lochyratliffs

RIGHT LMAO like i guffawed when i saw ur tags. they really are doing something sinister to our minds and we’re just along for the ride

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unstoppable force (my desire to make an y tu mamá también saxloch web weave) vs immovable object (how terrible the english subtitles are)

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southbound