#Homestuck text post

[caligulas-aquariumz]

homestuck text posts!!

[mushr00m-collective]

Thinking about why the dancestors failed their game and how their living on Beforus contributed to it

On Beforus the word Cull means to coddle, and with a game as ruthless as Sburb/sgrub, they likely were less prepared for such a game, due to their not having much danger in their existence

Kankri can talk as much as he wants about how Beforus wasnt better than Alternia, and I do recognize that the culling of disabled/mutated trolls on Beforus is an injustice within itself, on Beforus to cull is to coddle, on Alternia to cull is to kill

That’s part of the reason I draw the Alternian trolls significantly more scarred/muscular than the beforan trolls, because Beforus wasn’t Alternia

Which leads into my issue with Kankri — he constantly discusses injustice and tags his speech, but then goes a whole 180 and says things like this to Mituna

Wader is as much of a slur for sea dwellers as Cracker is for white people — which is to say — it isn’t, can you be offended by the terminology? Sure, I won’t stop you, but sea dwellers on both planets are atop the aristocracy and the highest castes, to call a seadweller wader is like calling a white person cracker

Kankri also plays this whole narrative of “all person with this disability have the same needs and the same abilities” — PLEASE READ A BOOK KANKRI TOUCH GRASS JFC

I’ll use myself as an example, I wear headphones in most public places and typically also bring sunglasses due to light sensitivity on occasion, does every autistic person do this? NO!!!! Do a lot? I DONT KNOW!!!

Kankri is a classic example on how life on Beforus, where culling means coddling set them up for failure in their session, especially due to the fact that he likely had visions of the signless on alternia, if anything he should be more sympathetic and understand how life on Alternia was significantly more dangerous and harmful than life on Beforus, but instead he gets to play disadvantage because he gets uncomfortable when the fact that Beforus had a tremendous amount of privilege that Alternia didn’t is brought up

Hell we even see this in the higher castes! Aranea likely didn’t have to kill for her lusus lest she be eaten herself, Meenah likely didn’t have the looming threat of dying to her ancestor on her shoulders, as well as her lusus having to be constantly fed lest she destroy everything, Cronus likely didn’t have to go through with killing other trolls lusi to prevent the same thing!

Kankri is uncomfortable at the idea of being privileged over others, everyone is, nobody likes to know that some people experience worse things due to uncontrollable factors, but instead of working on that in a constructive way and understanding why he gets so uncomfortable at it, he overexplains how “Beforus was just as bad as Alternia, yeah I know you would’ve died if you were found out Karkat, but — but I live with a caretaker!” Yeah, being forced into dependence on another person sucks, but you know what else sucks? Dying, dying sucks, living in fear sucks

That’s also why I imagine the beta trolls look.. older than they actually are, because the bodies keep the score of trauma and fear, and Alternia is just.. that, fear, but because of that constant looming threat for the beta trolls, they were able to go through with their session because compared to Alternia? A bunch of imps is nothing

Whereas the alpha trolls were inexperienced and unable to kill, they didn’t have what it took, Meenah came close but even then, she didn’t have that experience that the beta trolls did

But we see this most in Kankri and Mituna, on Alternia both would be dead, so would Rufioh, they have the privilege of showing off their mutations, and of being able to continue living (although.. they’re dead) with a cognitive impairment

[docileroamer]

sick and twisted mind

[mexicanegbert]

some vague early earth c nonsense. i just wanted to write a siblings feeling chat and then i was inspired to draw some visuals for it. thanks for reading :P

[bottlehawk]

"this is my queerplatonic partner. if you didn't know before, a queerplatonic relationship is when - " it's okay. you don't have to explain it to me. they've already prepared me for this subject. i've been here before. they're your moirail

[relaxxattack]

via the last ask, is Karkat a freak or would it just be a form of troll polyamory? or am I forgetting some important quadrant lore or smth and this is a dumb question

KIDS REALLY DON’T KNOW THAT KARKAT’S GAY ANYMORE… i joked about this earlier but i didn't think it was true 😭😭

ok i don't blame you for not knowing since, imo, fandom seems to have forgotten this when it comes to karkat and alternian analysis. somehow. even though it's his whole thing.. let me explain.

basically, karkat vantas is queer.

his arc sort of pointedly mirrors dave’s in that it’s about how hard he’s compensating for that - constantly obsessing over romance and “doing it right”, then enforcing that on himself and others.

karkat starts as a bootlicker. he wants to be in the military, he wants to fill his quadrants, he wants to lead, he wants to be the best and most successful troll that's ever lived... to make up for the fact that he's mutated. this isn't just implied, it's stated; karkat is desperate to prove he can be the Standard Alternian Troll.

karkat is a mutant marked for extermination, which obviously is different to sexuality. but it's worth noting that karkat's arc is already about putting up fronts for things about him that are "wrong"...

...especially when it's revealed that his sexuality is also "wrong".

trolls believe in having one destined partner per quadrant- four separate relationships that must not mix. it's enforced both culturally and by drones. but the concept of a troll romance that goes "beyond the four quadrants" is introduced to us by karkat's ancestor. we come to realize that karkat's romantic issues might not just be circumstantial-- they might be a legitimately different form of attraction he feels.

towards the end of the story, when davekat is officially canonized, the story plays a little cheekily about "nobody knowing" which quadrant dave and karkat settled in.

because just like how dave came to terms with how bullshit the cultural restrictions of human sexuality are, and talks about this at length; karkat may have realized that it's okay to break the rules.

while some people think that this means karkat was destined for "human romance"... i personally think that's a bit silly, since karkat has proven he can't stick to pure red feelings for someone. it's more likely that his new relationship involves all those quadrants he loves, simultaneously. who cares about rules?

TL;DR: yes, karkat vantas is queer for a troll and that's all there is to say on the matter.

[tamaalive]

Homestuck might be a long read but it's not ever going to be a boring one because in the longest parts of it there's so much happening and you forget your reading a long story because your too busy looking at pictures and watching animations and playing flash games and reading dialogue and learning how this obsurd world works and I feel like people playing it up to be this complicated work that you have to have extreme patience to read but it's not. reading Homestuck should not be a chore it should be a fun thing to do after school or work, it should be something to reference with your buddies, and you should read it expecting no more than a silly comic because at the end of the day that's what it was created to be.

[rarest-tintin]

[voftdubsofficial]

Do you like how chaotic and mean spirited homestuck^2 has become????

Oh boy do I have so many thoughts about this topic haha. This is going to be a long one and I’m sorry in advance.

Personally I absolutely love Homestuck^2 and Beyond Canon. Tbh I wouldn’t be putting so much effort into a dub of it if I didn’t. And when it comes to Homestuck^2 and the epilogues, they were made to evoke specific emotions and the fact that some people feel that it was “mean spirited” and “chaotic” means that they are doing their job well.

I’ve always stated that, while one of the major themes of Homestuck proper was about being a kid growing up on the internet, one of the major themes of Post canon Homestuck is about living in the world as a traumatized adult. I may be a little biased about this because I waited to read the epilogues until I was 20 and felt very connected to the 23 y/o cast of post canon, but it struck me as very relatable watching the way their lives were playing out. Anyone past high school knows that when you finally get out into the real world, a lot of things and people change, even the ones you’ve grown incredibly close to. Some end up incredibly depressed, some end up fully occupied by their jobs and responsibilities, some become people that you barely even recognize anymore and no longer like, and some end up disappearing one way or another. It’s the way of life and it was really relatable to read through.

Another part of it is trauma and how the story has affected our cast. I think a whole lot about what comes after the story, how the protagonists return to their lives, how the adventures have changed them. When it comes to Homestuck, these were kids who were plucked from their normal lives at 13 years old and for some even younger, a time in your life you’re supposed to be doing the most growing up and maturing, and they had to spend it in a traumatizing life or death scenario that caused them to watch their friends die multiple times over. And then… they’re just dropped into the new world as gods, disconnected from society yet trying to just exist within it as well. There was no way for them to end up with a perfectly happy ending, not without a lot of bumps along the way.

Similarly the main conflict of the story is once again about endings. Much like in Homestuck proper Calliope is cast as an insert for one side of the fandom, however this time the other side is cast as Dirk. With Dirk being the side of the fandom that is scared for the story to come to an end, scared for him and all the friends he cares about fading away in to non-canon, scared to the point that he makes himself the villain to keep the story going. Calliope is the side of the fandom that just wishes for Homestuck to have an ending, attempting to rip the narrative away from Dirk, trying to stop his plans on Deltritus, and even so far as placing the candy timeline in a black hole completely severed from canon. I think it does a really good job of representing both halves quite nicely.

Speaking of meat and candy. They both are also meant to evoke specific emotions. The epilogues as a whole do a really good job with making you feel specific way. With the whole thing being text with no pictures, it feels a lot less accessible to the fandom because it’s not what we’ve expected from homestuck in the past. It already starts you off feeling off, just like John is. Then as you go on slowly you get more and more comfy before you’re given The Choice. Meat or Candy? Meat presents you with a story that is grounded, familiar, canon. Something that feels a lot like the Homestuck you know. While candy provides you with something that feels… off, unsettling, non-canon. In a way you can’t really pinpoint until John states that he feels it too. And there’s a lot of things that help provide this but the one I want to point out is Gamzee. He’s present all throughout the candy epilogue, showing up in places no one wants him and places he shouldn’t be. However, when a piece of canon finally pierces into the isolated timeline, when Vriska falls from the battle with lord english, the clown finally dies. Stuff like this just shows how well post canon does at making you feel the things it wants you to.

Overall the main point i’m trying to make here is that post canon in general is really good at making you feel emotions that match the themes and tone it’s trying to get across. It’s a coming of age story not for teens but for adults. So if you’re feeling like the story is chaotic and mean spirited, that’s because you’re supposed to. And I think that’s pretty cool.

[thatlittledandere]

Part 1 | Part 2 | Part 3 | Part 4

Bonus epilogues spoilers

[terrifiedtrinket]

guys i liek john and june egbert..

i hate when people are like “oh everyone either likes one or the other theres no in between”

IM THE IN BETWEEN

ITS ME

I LIKE THEM BOTH EQUALLY

CRIES

guys… lets all be friends… idc if u like ftm or mtf egbert… idc if u think theyre gender fluid… idc if you think he’s cishet… please theres bigger issues…

all egbert is valid

dies

[chopapop]

I will never understand why when talking about ships people decide which names go first based off who they think top/bottoms like, where I'm from, we just said whatever rolled off the tongue better. Seeing Zosan/Sanzo discourse recently and it's so funny to me because I just think back to when the homestuck fandom collectively decided it was Davekat because Kardave sounded ridiculous. Zosan just sounds better, I don't care who takes it up the butt, Sanzo just sounds stupid. I've noticed this mostly with the one piece fandom, because, like, holy shit, some of these ship names just sound like utter dog shit. I'm sorry. what the hell is usosan. just say sanuso. I swear it's so much easier. same with Luzo. Zolu literally just sounds better

[mushr00m-collective]

Yes I am at an amigo the devil concert, no this will not stop me from posting about homestuck

I really think the void players are the most important players to any given session, considering that if it is apart of their ability they are capable of taking from the void,

The direct tangible evidence of being able to interact with nothingness is incredibly powerful, almost as powerful as the Hope aspect,

Especially though when you consider that the kids session in the beta timeline was a void session

Also with Equius being apart of Lord English, and Roxy stealing the matriorb back from the void

And I’m so angry that Hussie didn’t expand past system, alter human, horse fucker guy for Horuss, it’s so clear that he’s supposed to be somewhat based off of Mr Hands and I just — Hussie when I get you

[the-bar-sinister]

[tmos-time]

pov your boyfriend who has a stick up his ass about how he appears color-wise figures out what he looks like to your colorblind ass

[daghostzone]

we were friends, once.