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oh wow they're actually pretty much using actual BSL sentence order

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Why Do People Go To The ASL Social And Then Speak The Whole Time?

[annabelle--cane]

I know it's just a limitation of the medium but: eiffel. you made a goodbye audio log for your deaf daughter? really dude? I want to patchwork in a headcanon where it was actually a video log and he was doing simcom but I know damn well that he wouldn't be fluent enough in asl for that.

[mxharleyhua]

"I guess it's a good thing I'm not playing against anyone else then, huh? Unless you want to play against me and feel really good about yourself." He half-joked, although he was genuine about offering to play with her. It'd be much more fun to play together than each of them playing alone. "I can still do a lot of cheerleading stunts from when I was younger, but I'm realizing I can't hit a golf ball softly."

March was one of those months that were hit or miss in Merrock. You could have had a bitter cold month with snow still coating the ground in thick, thick coatings or you could have where the temperature wasn't all that bad and it gave the almost breath of spring. Today was one of those days it was warm, the weather was almost what you would call full spring, with just a touch of crispness in the air. Emeline was just out when she noticed that the mini golf course was open and decided some fresh air outside of the house was just what she needed. Parking her BMW suv she hopped out and headed up, grabbing the hot pink neon golf ball and a putting stick and headed up onto the course.

It wasn't long till she ran into Harley who was now just ahead of her. Watching the red ball bounce off a rock and fly into the pond. "All of them. You lose all the points, you basically lost the game." she said with a soft laugh. "And now you needed to get another ball."

[cripplecharacters]

I'm currently reading "The Sunbearer Trials" by Aiden Thomas. In this book, one of the side characters is Deaf, and other characters are often described as "signing as they spoke" to include him in conversations. I was wondering if this is even possible? I know that in German Sign Language, when you sign a word, you also mouth the word at the same time. Since the syntax of spoken languages and sign languages are often different, is it even possible to speak both languages at the same time?

Hi!

You shouldn't sign and speak at the same time. This is known as SimCom (simultaneous communication) and it is frowned upon.

Some sign languages, signers, or individual signs will use what is called mouth morphemes. These are just visual indicators to clarify meaning of a sign. They can be mouthing the word, mouthing a specific letter to indicate the use of a synonym, changing mouth size to indicate object shape/size, and any other mouth movements. (Individual signers who mouth along with their signs in languages that don't do this, like ASL, are usually second-language learners.)

Spoken and signed languages often have different grammars, so mouthing along to signed languages usually uses the exact translation of each sign, replacing any special morphemes as needed.

The main problem with SimCom is that hearing people tend to drop signs/signing or mess up signing grammar.

If a character needs to convey information both signed and spoken, there are two good solutions:

Sign a sentence, then speak it. This prevents a hearing signer from forgetting to translate for Deaf audience.

Get an interpreter! One person doesn't need to do all the work of speaking and signing.

Mod Rock

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Deaf!Peter starting to lose his hearing at a young age and learning ASL as his second language because his aunt wants to support him to the best of her ability

Deaf!Peter struggling to remember ASL grammar because it's different than English

Deaf!Peter sneakily helping Ned on a test by signing the right answer for each question

Deaf!Peter learning to spell all of the words in his science class because they either don't have signs or he has never learned a sign for them

Deaf!Peter getting in trouble for 'not paying attention' when he's asking his interpreter a question

Deaf!Peter having to defend being Deaf and going to a mainstream school

Deaf!Peter feeling scared in Deaf Space because he's still learning sign and doesn't consider himself fluent even though he's been learning since he was six or seven

Deaf!Peter not feeling welcome in hearing space because he 'doesn't talk normal' and tends to simcom

Deaf!Peter learning to lip read and 'act normal' to feel like he fits in

Deaf!Peter feeling like an inconvenience when he has to ask people to repeat what they said

Deaf!Peter telling his friends they don't have to learn sign if they don't want to, but they learn start learning anyways to try and support their friend

Deaf!Peter becoming confident in his Deafness as he gets older and more confident in himself in general

Deaf!Peter getting in touch with the New York Deaf community

Deaf!Peter becoming known as the 'Superhero that Signs' and interacts with Deaf kids as Spiderman

Deaf!Peter inspiring families as Spiderman to learn sign for their kids

Deaf!Peter :)

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Hello and welcome to our void. We are a “20s year old” Deaf+ disabled DID system of about 15 (that we know of). General pronouns for the system are they/them. We have:

- host (he/ey/they)

- co-host (it/xey/ve)

- s*xual protector/memory holder (she/they)

- caretaker/little [age-slider] (she/ey/ze)

- little (he/him)

- persecutor (she/it)

- introject/persecutor (he/him)

- emotion protector (*name*)

- internal self helper (he/him)

And more that probably won’t use this account.

We use a combination of ASL/English/SimCom/Pidgin, depending on the alter (alters have varying levels of hearing loss).

We (as a whole) are pro:

- LGBTQAI+

-Disabled People

- Self-dx

- Identifying as you wish

- Religious Freedom

- Belief Freedom (just don’t push your beliefs on others and as long as it doesn’t infringe on other’s lives/rights)

- Treating others with Human Decency and Respect

Think that’s it, feel free to ask us stuff!

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American Sign Language media content for receptive skills practice

Made this list because I really could have used it earlier on! My rubric is that it needs to include Deaf people signing, and that SimCom doesn't count (it may be present, but it can't be all there is).

This only includes stuff I've actually seen (or partially seen). Also, I'm including some warnings about what you may *not* want to watch, because again, I really could have used those warnings myself.

Easy (i.e. has subtitles and/or voiceover available, IIRC)

Mostly speaking:

You Can't Ask That - Canada, S2 E4: Deaf (TV interview series; on Kanopy). This is 22 minutes and it's like half signing (w/ voice interpretation), half speaking. Shows a variety of experiences of d/Deafness.

CODA (movie; comedy/drama; on AppleTV+)

Kinderfänger (scary movie. Note that it has a 3.7/10 on IMDb. I personally liked it fwiw. not sure if it's streaming anywhere)

CODA (short film; on Kanopy)

Master of None S2.E6: New York, I Love You (TV show episode, currently on Netflix)

Wild Prairie Rose (drama/romance, currently on Peacock)

Queer Eye S8E4: Protect the Nest (reality TV, on Netflix)

CSI S11E13: The Two Mrs. Grissoms (crime show, Hulu)

ANTM Season 22 (the one with Nyle, obviously. I had to get this from the library on a DVD that, get this, had NO captions available. Not impressed. (The ASL was voiceovered))

Running Wild with Bear Grylls the Challenge S2E4: Troy Kotsur in the Scottish Highlands (reality TV, on Hulu I think)

CSI NY S3E12: Silent Night (crime show, Hulu). I found this one pretty ableist/audist (but it's hard to explain why without spoiling the whole thing - here's the summary if you're fine with spoilers: https://csi.fandom.com/wiki/Silent_Night) also the camera work sometimes seemed more interested in making the signing look artsy rather than making it legible lol

Sue Thomas, F. B. Eye (Peacock) - some episodes have lots of signing, some have none or close to it. Honestly it's pretty racist (the show came out 2002-2005. A lot of episodes are about terrorism, and they're constantly justifying racial profiling). If you can stomach that in exchange for surprisingly decent Deaf rep, here's a (probably incomplete) list of the ones with at least one non-Sue Deaf character, with a * if there are multiple: The Signing, The Heist*, He Said She Said, Girl Who Signed Wolf, Homeland Security, Bad Hair Day, Into Thin Air*, The Holocaust Survivor*, Elvis is in the Building*, Did She or Didn't She, The Fraternity*, Who Wants to Be a Millionaire, Troy Story*, Endings and Beginnings*. But yeah, I can't exactly recommend it, just trying to be honest about the pros and cons.

Switched at Birth - I really don't recommend this one either. I understand some people like it, but I have to give my disclaimer that if you watch a couple episodes and think "Well, I didn't like that, but maybe it will get better," lose that hope right now. To me, it only got worse. There is soooo much SimCom (yes, even later in the show when everyone should have learned to sign. Do NOT think there will be more or better signing later on). Daphne's actress has Meniere's disease; in a Reddit AMA, she said, quote, "Technically I am not deaf," so I really question why she was cast as the main Deaf character. Regardless of how she identifies, she is playing an experience she has not had; she isn't a native signer (she started learning in high school, not at age 3 like her character), and when she speaks in the show, she FAKES a "deaf accent". Also, this show is not as lighthearted as it looks, there are some truly disturbing plotlines that just get brushed over. Maybe you love this kind of drama - power to you. I'm just asking that if you watch a couple episodes and don't care for it, quit. Read some episode summaries on the wiki if you need to satisfy your curiosity, but don't hold out hope and watch almost 2 seasons' worth while feeling worse and worse about it l like I did. Moving on:

All or mostly signing:

Deaf U (reality show, on Netflix)

WHAT? (movie; comedy, silent movie; on Prime)

Blue Apple (creepy short film) https://media.gallaudet.edu/media/Blue+Apple+%281994%29/1_wke1swj2 also like. click around on the website. Gallaudet has soooooo much media available (plays, films, etc)

Scarecrow (creepy short film), also a Gallaudet production https://ssl.gallaudet.edu/videolibrary/?embed=16500 tbh there's not a ton of dialogue in this one, so maybe don't watch it if you don't like slow pacing

Don't Shoot the Messenger (raunchy YouTube series about an interpreter)

Barbie in ASL (On Max. It's the movie Barbie, but with a Deaf interpreter in the corner). There are a couple other ones on Max too I think, including Beetlejuice Beetlejuice

PBS also has some stuff with ASL interpretation. I didn't check everything so I don't know if they're all done by Deaf interpreters, but I recognized Jeremy Lee Stone as the interpreter for (at least some of) the Arthur episodes, and Lisa McBee for (at least some of) the Daniel Tiger ones https://pbskids.org/videos/american-sign-language-full-episodes

speaking of Jeremy Lee Stone, his Youtube channel is a great resource: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J9HZ1JdV1Us

as are Nathie Marbury's storytelling videos https://www.youtube.com/@dawnsignpress/search?query=nathie

other kids' stories and resources for kids: https://www.youtube.com/@RMDSCO from Rocky Mountain Deaf School and https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLhbEjnwOPpyIHotZrGLu68OGeEZlTuvbg from Texas School for the Deaf (some of these are captioned or follow along with a book that they show on screen, but some aren't)

a few nonfiction Youtube series: Daily Moth (general news), Atomic Hands (STEM education), Quantum ASL (STEM education - just a couple longer videos, the rest are basically dictionary entries), BEHEARDDC (prison abolition), Joel West Barish (travel), Rogan Shannon (queer topics), Melmira (interviews), Michael Stultz (nature and science)

Sign with Robert (available for free on both Kanopy and Tubi): this is mostly just general ASL teaching, but there are some episodes specifically labeled receptive practice where he tells jokes and stories (25, 26, and 29 - for 26 and 29 they play the stories twice, with captions the second time so you can see what you missed, it's actually super nice haha)

her specific channel doesn't have much, but you can just look up Melanie McKay-Cody, who does research about Indigenous sign languages (she is herself Cherokee). Lots of videos from her all over Youtube

SoCal Stories (interviews with folks including Marlee Matlin, CJ Jones, Bernard Bragg...): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d8T937th3Qg&list=PLwR2tgM-4_AYjBRvj3GWqWRjjMiZz_w8u this is part of the Youtube channel Convo Communications, which has tons of other stuff I haven't explored

ASL music videos: this list was curated by a Deaf person so I trust it https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLx1wHz1f-8J_xKVdU7DGa5RWIwWzRWNVt

Deafies in Drag (Youtube comedy series)

Reverie (short film, drama. Heavy themes) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FiFWE6Mtpu0

Perfect Match (short film, drama / sci fi) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IxE65yzMgyE

The Witnesses (short film, satire) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6u9iQ_hjXDg

4 translations of MLK's I Have a Dream speech: Richard Bailey https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5H2-3O-NJFg (no captions or voiceover), JC Smith https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qUmdM965Si8 , Takiyah Harris (rough video quality on this one) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RiyG_h1tnZE , Missouri School for the Deaf students https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-mmxJByigac

jooux (sexual wellness resource): https://www.youtube.com/@jooux/videos

Intermediate

Mostly Speaking:

Sound of Metal (movie; drama; on Prime) (the late-deafened characters are not played by Deaf actors, but there's still a lot of Deaf actors. Most of the signing is mid-movie, and if I remember correctly, some is not subtitled, while some is)

Children of a Lesser God (movie; available on Kanopy). The signing isn't subtitled (it's mostly voice-interpreted by another character) and also it was very hard to understand - I gather it leaned more toward SEE? So that's why it's in intermediate.

Star Trek TNG S2E5: Loud as a Whisper (on Paramount+): no subtitles; most of the signing is voice interpreted, but not all. All the ASL is in the 2nd half but there's still a good amount, I thought

All or mostly signing:

look up Gallaudet Theatre Arts on Youtube. There's actually a variety of levels here (of the two I've watched, Bunnicula has voiceover, but Midsummer Night's Dream doesn't. The audio/video quality isn't great on any of it). I'm listing it as Intermediate because for e.g. Shakespeare you can just look up the script of the play and have it in another tab to check what's going on.

Sign (short film; some sexual content) https://vimeo.com/157890479 I was able to understand most of this, which means it's a loooot easier than the Shakespeare, but yeah, no subtitles, no voiceover, no help

The Deaf Family (YouTube sitcom) (don't be fooled, only the first episode has subtitles) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r1uuntQOPnw&list=PLx1wHz1f-8J9KzkK5lLO3z0wk64eUzo3Y

Deaf Traditions: Storytelling and Poetry https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLIpW9QfUw6zwGKJ0N_HGH_8PnF8g7FSmg these range from easy to hard, I would say. No subtitles

Bonus warning categories:

Doesn't have as much signing as you'd think

(ranked roughly from most signing to least signing)

The Circle, Season 5 (reality show on Netflix. I did really enjoy the Deaf contestant but I definitely wanted more)

Fargo, season 1-ish (show; horror? On Hulu) I only watched a few episodes but Russell was only getting like 5 min screen time per episode and i wasn't enjoying the show otherwise, so it wasn't worth it for me personally

Zoey's Extraordinary Playlist S1E9: Zoey's Extraordinary Silence (jukebox musical TV show. On Peacock)

Only Murders in the Building (mystery show on Hulu) - through the 4 seasons of the show, the Deaf character (Theo Dimas) is in 4 episodes, then 2, then 1, then 0. 🤷‍♀️

The Family Stone (I did enjoy the movie though tbh. on Hulu)

Curb Your Enthusiasm S12E3: Vertical Drop, Horizontal Tug (TV comedy, on Max) Troy only gets like 5 min of screentime 😭 he's an Academy Award winner...

Leverage: Redemption S3E8: The Cooling Off the Mark Job (on Prime, will probably also be on Kanopy later given that S1 & 2 are there). There's like 5 seconds of signing that isn't SimCom. I'd never seen the Deaf actress before though (Nicolle Ashley) so shoutout to her for getting work, you go girl, hope to see you more soon

Queer as Folk S1E4: F*ck Disabled People (on Peacock) (Nyle is in it but I don't think he even ever talks to anyone else who can sign? He's mostly communicating via writing)

Not Worth It

What the Bleep Do We Know: attempted to watch this "doc" without realizing beforehand that it was all pseudoscience. Honestly, I'm not even sure there was signing in it? I think there was a little

Wonderstruck (2017). There are multiple Deaf actors on the roster. But not one of them gets to sign *anything* as far as I could tell. (One plays a character who hasn't learned to sign, I think at least two were playing hearing people (I do support Deaf actors taking hearing roles, but not if you're gonna take that as an excuse to do the reverse.... which this movie did.....), and some must have had barely any screentime). Two hearing actors get to sign (also the signing doesn't start til like the last 20 min of the movie), and two other hearing actors briefly fingerspell. 👎

Intentionally Didn't Watch (the summary was that bad)

These included Deaf people despite not really wanting them to exist!!!! (think along the lines of forcing ppl to get cochlear implants)

Scrubs S6E16, "My Words of Wisdom" https://scrubs.fandom.com/wiki/My_Words_of_Wisdom someone described this episode to me in a bit more detail than the summary here, and yeah. not good

House S5E22, "House Divided" https://house.fandom.com/wiki/House_Divided legit infuriating