#apologist arguments

[some-pers0n]

I'm gonna stop with even attempting nuance and reason anymore and just say whatever I want. Albatross did absolutely nothing wrong he's a lil' blorbo goober he's just a silly guy you're all just mean to him </3

"He killed so many dragons though??? He did the massacre?" Sheesh you're really hung up on that whole "killing three dozen people" part like he was just cranky and grumpy from the party and his bitch sister talking about replacing him after years of her using him for his magic alone. He was just tired and eepy and there was too much noise and people and he got overstimulated and upset :( He did nothing wrong he was just a bit silly

Like look at him! Lovely little smile of an innocent dragon :] Don't mind the randoms in the back they're just playing dead for fun

[dykedvonte]

Ulysses obsession with the Courier is a special type of sad to me cause the Courier’s part was so important but so unwitting. They had no idea what was in the package they delivered and neither did he. Neither had an idea of what it could’ve done and the Courier was only caring out their job (mind you the Courier could be killed via notes in the express contract if they don’t). To them it was just another regular delivery to the divide and one that they likely thought would help, just like all the ones before.

It’s so tragic for Ulysses to hold so much ire to the Courier when it really was the case of it could’ve been anyone. Anyone could have delivered that package but they did and so he focused the blame on them and it destroys what he is trying to instill in the courier on a fundamental level.

[initialsaint]

I'm nearly done reading Onyx Storm and am I literally the only person who likes Dain and Violet together.

I read FW, and thought it was great to see a female MC not get shoved into a love "triangle" (corner), and ended up really liking her chemistry with Xaden. I was also mad as hell at Dain and loved that Violet rightfully stood up to him. Then I read IF and had to force myself to finish it because the first half dragged so much and the romantic side of things was genuinely painful to read, and not in the high-stakes tension way, in the this is just unenjoyable way. And I found myself more interested in Dain's development- because he arguably had more than Violet's actual love interest.

I know Xaden has had progress, but watching Dain go from Violet's childhood friend who seemed like he was always going to be on the wrong side of history, who wouldn't break a rule even it got Violet killed, to the wingleader who killed for her the moment he saw things for what they truly were, who had to grapple with knowing his own father was complicit in leaving people dying on Navarre's doorstep, who has spent the rest of the series helping Violet- and Xaden- and trying to be worthy of her trust and friendship again-

is infinitely more interesting than seeing Xaden go from secretive, to slightly less secretive.

150 pages away from the end of OS, I almost wish the love triangle had happened.

[lesbianmapleshade]

i've been on a stardew valley kick recently and one thing i've noticed is that people hate elliott for the stupidest reasons... something i've seen all too often in mapleshade as well. elliott is "too dramatic" and "kisses you out of nowhere" (mind you this is the 10 heart event meaning you've been dating for a little bit), and mapleshade is "a bad mother/mate" and "pure evil." both of these reasons are easy to disprove (or with elliott, just part of his character) and the people who believe in these things either have very little ability to comprehend the character or no media comprehension in general

[howtotrainyouragents]

*Pulls up a chair to the conversation twenty years late* No, I don't buy when people use how Light acted after he lost his memories as proof that the Death Note corrupted an innocent Light. You know what the difference between Light at the beginning and Light when he lost his memories is?

Light when he lost his memories had a Big Bad to fight.

Light at the beginning of the story is incredibly disaffected with the world, spurred into this mindset by his youth and powerlessness and his intellect and ego. He has no way to rid the world of evil and he believes that he's the only one who's seeing the injustices for what they are.

Light after he's lost his memories has a mysterious serial killer to hunt down. He is a highly valued member of the task force and working closely with the lead detective. He's fighting the injustices that he's sees upon the world, and he has the most powerful tools in the world to do so. He's completely unaware that he is only in this position because of his work as Kira, and therefore has not fully felt the depth of his own incredible powerlessness and disillusionment. Of course, he's can take the moral high ground of being against the killings.

But even in doing so, he himself recognizes that Kira has acted the way that he would've and has contemplated what it would've been like if he were Kira. He's aware that that side of him exists. He's just not aware of what it would take to bring it out of him.

[bluedalahorse]

Periodically I wonder what Young Royals fandom could have been if bad faith anon discourse about so many characters and plot points hadn’t been so Everywhere during the fandom’s heyday.

[extremelybabygirl]

seeing people fighting over who's right and who's wrong in OF is so funny to me bc honey sweetie we dropped our morals at the door the moment we stepped foot into this show and in this house we support gay rights AND gay wrongs lol yall need to sit down, shut up & enjoy the show

[rawliverandgoronspice]

tbh, and that's just my two cents, I think that when we leave our little corner of ganonfans and try to bring out concerns to the larger Outside World trying to convince other people, it's a little more useful at large to center criticisms of Zelda and its narrative outside of what canon states (so in "doylist terms", tho I don't really like that separation but it might be easier to understand), because most of the content that criticizes Hyrule within the games is subtextual and neutered at best (not something meant to be picked up by their core audience of "children who do not come from an oppressed background"), and also because it would be soooo super easy for Nintendo to say "no we never meant any of that in any way :>", which would effectively slam the conversation shut for many people who were skeptical to begin with.

While it's extremely easy to say "no of course Nintendo would never want their good guys to come from a genocidal nation, so they obviously don't", which sounds like a coherent argument, it becomes wayyy harder to brush off the whole "Nintendo chose to repeatedly uphold the exceptional perfection of a white nation whose ruling class comes from a divine birthline while demonizing the only evil men from the explicitely arab-inspired culture, leaving the rest of their women to grovel in eternal apologies and convert to the dominant religion in order to prove the depth of their remorse" without starting to spew out bullshit arguments that fall apart at the first brush of scrutiny or reveal their own racism in the process.

I'm not saying there *aren't* hyrulean genocidal strikes within the canon itself, because there obviously are, but I'd say that to even begin to be willing to see them, you need first to admit the entire Zelda narrative has concerning priorities when it comes to the framing of the events taking place in its lore, or the need to even touch such topics to begin with, that it has concerning echoes to real life history, and so there is a genuine need to challenge that framing at all.

[inquisitor-apologist]

I do think it’s very funny that Qimir gives his whole ‘oh I just want to live without persecution and practice the force as I see fit… I just want an acolyte’ while holding a lightsaber to said acolyte’s head. Like bro… the reason you are being ‘persecuted’ by the Jedi after at least 16 years of them not doing shit to you is because you guys started killing people.

I do think a very good litmus test for whether or not you should be allowed to have power is ‘do you start killing people when you get it’ and uh. Qimir fails that.

[goopyratdaughter]

with the shit Aeor has done with demons I think I am justified in wanting a demons centric campaign that explores that bit of lore and the resentment that obviously probably is still there

[cyclonusmissinghorn]

Smooches him, mwah

[atopvisenyashill]

this battle story is so stupid bc sansa is right that jon is just like marching off on a suicide mission because he doesn’t know what else to do but sansa is not offering any real solution bc she didn’t tell him about the vale knights. this could be completely fixed if she DID tell him about the knights and he simply didn’t want her to reach out to them bc he doesn’t trust petyr.

[mulletmitsuya]

random tokrev rant ahead !!

when i first started this blog it was going to be for random shitposts, groupchats once in a while, and mostly tokrev analysis but i was so scared of discourse that i just chose to do the funnier stuff 😭. when tokrev was at it's peak i'd be reading 20k+ words of analysis and it was so fun!! but i felt like i couldn't word what i wanted to say properly so that discouraged me but i wish i'd ignored that because there would have been at least one person who understood what i was saying yk?

[birdiebirdjay]

(whispers to myself) if people are allowed to stan petunia dursley i am allowed to be a remus lupin apologist

[silver-stake-through-the-heart]

An alternate version of SPN where TFW runs into Jack once he's adult (none of them were around for his birth):

Dean, talking about Cas: He's a good guy!

Jack: He tried to kill me and my mom.

Dean: He just wanted to do the right thing.

Jack, gesturing at the angel blade currently piercing his chest: 😑

Dean: But it's Cas 🥺

[nemesis-is-my-middle-name]

Well about the perception of Volo vs Kamado thing, and why more people don’t hate Volo, I have my own reflections (pretty privilege is absolutely a factor tho let’s be real 😂)

Everyone growing up has at least one story of an adult being super unfair to you, even though you were doing everything right. Their own biases and experiences could be understood later once you were older and calmer reflecting back on the incident, like a teacher who snapped at you maybe had a super long day of wrangling hundreds of children. But we never forget how it feels in that moment to have those who should be guiding us be unfair and seemingly unreasonable. So naturally that’s gonna hurt when you get kamado being paranoid.

Volo on the other hand is just absolutely delightful I’m sorry maybe if Kamado put on a silly outfit and hair for his boss battle instead of plate mail he’d have more art. Like you said Volos betrayal is one and done really, he acts like a theater kid and then dips. You have to keep seeing kamado being in charge in the game after his blunders for a while which can rub people the wrong way. (Also this is maybe just me but I never trusted Volo just like I never trusted Cynthia as a kid, and finding out he was evil was a great moment of vindication I CANT be the only one who experienced this)

TLDR we see unfairness way more than we see someone betray us while making their hair like a god horse

well, you heard them, kamado. time to go get the jester outfit. cmon chop chop it's to redeem your image

yeah, the point abt getting burned by adults in authority is also very fair. most of us were not scarred for life by theater kid antics lol. the other thing abt it is that often those same adults never really face any consequences. you were always just expected to move on, suck it up etc. cause that's life as a kid right. sometimes ppl will use their power over you just to flex their limited authority, or to vent whatever's going on in their home life, and this doesn't really stop when you grow up it's just that when you're a kid basically every adult has that authority position. so it's just expected that there's nothing you can do. i mean unless you decide to be the karmic force of justice in your own life by being the most stubborn bitch of a child to walk the earth. not that i would know anything about that cough

uh anyway. the thing is the thing btwn you and kamado isn't about about child vs adult. you're more or less considered an adult yourself by jubilife, albeit a rather young and more importantly low ranking one. like we've said (a million times already lol) kamado's not doing it just to grasp at a sense of control, he's reacting to what he perceives as a very real threat to his village (and also because the writers clocked him in the face with the idiot ball for plot advancement reasons lbr).

and the thing is kamado DOES, kind of, face consequences and own up to his mistakes by the end of the game. also after the red sky event he's like, REALLY nice to you lol. not just briefly either! imo you can tell that he sincerely respects you and regrets his actions in the red sky. go look at his late game quotes-

"Perhaps you are a divine being yourself, sent to bring us gifts from above... "I know I've no right to say this... But we are truly fortunate to have been able to count you among the Survey Corps' ranks. If you had not joined us, we would have fallen on Mount Coronet. We would have lost our home. We would have lost our future." "I'm grateful to you for showing me what a heartening presence Pokémon can be. We must spar again sometime!" "<player>, forgive me for taking so much of your time [telling you about the Galaxy name.] Please accept this as a sort of apology."

like he's trying to make up for the way they were treated earlier and give them the proper treatment they're owed for all their help.

idk i don't have a good way to conclude this i guess. i just think he's a cool character