#danzo fans interact ^_^

[theheirofthesharingan]

Do you know why Obito's actions get so much hype? I'm genuinely confused cause fans keep complimenting up his complex personality and philosophy but what exactly were his achievements??? Why was he right? What was he right about?? Why is he so amazing? I'm in pure confusion cause did I miss something good that he did? Did he help the world in some way that I didn't notice?? Did he say something that was really worth the hype? Geniunely asking I swear I really don't get the Obito glaze

I wrote about Obito here.

I have said it before as well that Obito doesn't make any sense to me, because his trauma neither excuses nor justifies the shit he pulled for years, killing countless people, manipulating them, and using them, and then throwing them away after they were no longer of any use to him. That's what he planned to do with Sasuke too.

Sure, he was manipulated as a kid and lost the most important person to death, and he felt Kakashi was responsible for the death. But he knew Kakashi wasn't responsible. He knew Kakashi couldn't do anything for Rin no matter what he wanted. And she actually made a sacrifice for the innocent people who would have died because of her.

Obito disrespects Rin as well.

There are two kind of people who praise him. And they're both idiotic.

1. Those who think he was against the system and wanted to change it.

2. He started the war because of the person he loved, hence justifying the oversimplified phrase "a hero will sacrifice you to save the world but a villain will sacrifice the world for you."

Both are complete bullshit.

Obito didn't want to change the system. He made it worse. Most of the major tragic incidents that the characters went through had something to do with Obito. He directly participated in them.

From Minato and Kushina's deaths to the Akatsuki becoming evil and Itachi and Sasuke's lives being ruined forever, it was ALL Obito's doing. Then the Uchiha massacre and the war, too, of course.

He was trying to change the system? After making it worse on his own?

Then the hopeless romantics who keep searching for the Shakespearean tragedy in him and how he chose love over the world, which is as dumb as it can get.

The clownery goes on further when he's compared with Itachi for this stupid reason. So many things wrong there. Apart from Itachi having no lover, Obito too didn't start the war because of Rin. Nobody killed Rin, but she herself, and he knew why. But of course, he needs to be defended and justified because it makes some idiots feel good about themselves.

I personally like his faux Madara personality because it was badass. And I like writing him that way (only his interactions with Sasuke though). But other than that, I don't find him all that appealing. For a long, long time I had no idea why everyone was praising him. After Itachi's death I keep forgetting the parts that aren't about Sasuke. And Obito had nothing to do with Sasuke post Itachi's death.

So, the unmasked Obito is uninteresting to me as a character. I don't find his story tragic either. The characters like Pain have much more depth and their motivations are understandable too. They were victims as well.

While Obito was a victim as well, especially of war and Madara's manipulation, he never implements his experiences to make things better. He makes them worse. He chooses to do evil willingly. There's a hint in the chapter #476-478 that he worked with Danzo as well during the massacre. He had power of a leader and instead of doing anything for the better he manipulated and plotted the war.

To me, there's very little that I like about him. I can't sympathize with him either. He did far, far worse things to his victims than what was done to him, if you look at Naruto, Sasuke, and Itachi (who are actually his worse victims).

[narutoheretic]

Danzo 2,3,4,5,8,23

2. Favorite canon thing about this character?

Hard to decide, but I have to go with how... overall positive his interactions with his Root agents are?

People tend to ignore canon and just project Bad Boss Danzo and mindless/sad and blank Root agents over what's there, but especially in comparison to the very common awful management and authority figure feedback in this story (send people who are 100% not qualified on missions who cares! yell at everyone! if a kid fails a mission call him a little bitch baby and tell him it'll be his fault if his friends die if he quits!) Danzo's generally straightforward, calm, and remarkably forgiving (we're ignoring whatever was happening in the last part of kinoe's filler arc partly because it makes no sense) interactions with his special little murder guys are refreshing and complicate his presentation as a cold and harsh personality.

(bonus painful headcanon: He used to be harsh more often, but after he was one of the people who condemned Sakumo - who was his student - for the failure of his mission, and Sakumo committed suicide, Danzo was deeply shaken and became rather more forgiving/careful while dealing with his people's failures from then on.)

3. Least favorite canon thing about this character?

the point where Kishi decides that he can exonerate like a million other characters by just blaming everything on Danzo, all the time. (Hanzo wanted to take out challengers to his power for practical reasons because he was a competent and vicious man? nooooo he was peace-loving and didn't have any problem with them! DANZO evilly manipulated him into thinking Akatsuki was bad and... uh, then Hanzo still decided to deal with it in an OTT and sadistic way...? Don't think about it too hard!)

It is kind of hilarious though how the end of the story boils down to essentially 'All evil in this world is the fault of the devil, the devil's weird son, and...... Tom. Yeah, this one guy. He sucks sooo bad.'

4. If you could put this character in any other media, what would you put them in?

Oh man... honestly I'd love to see him in an MXTX novel, specifically Heaven Official's Blessing (pre-the edits I heard vaguely it got later on which sound like they torpedoed some of my favorite aspects...). From my experience in MXTX fandoms I'm sure he'd be just as hated by the fans, but MXTX handles morally gray characters and villains with such clear-eyed sympathy in her books - she has a real knack for presenting someone as both a deeply flawed person who's responsible for bad things, and someone who has been shaped by their circumstances and is driven by motivations that aren't just 'be evil'. Heaven Official's Blessing I pick on in particular bc (a) that book is massive there's room for another storyline (b) there's so much about people who are fucked up by war and complicated love-hate dynamics and the desperation to acquire personal power at any costs for the safety of yourself and others.... he'd fit right in

(also, for people more acquainted with that book - heavenly official Hiruzen keeping up secret contact with his in-life general Danzo who's become a high-level ghost so they can both augment their power. they fucking hate each other and both seem unsympathetic and then there's a backstory lore dump that makes you cry. you get me right)

5. What's the first song that comes to mind when you think about them?

I'll be honest, I've been listening to The Ark and the Tinderbox for late-stage Konoha misery and chaos and there's a lot of Danzo that figures into that so that occurred to me first, but for one that's more a focused character song, Holy Branches by Radical Face is a big one for younger Danzo.

8. What's something the fandom does when it comes to this character that you despise?

Oh, boy... there's so much, but I'll pick 'acting as if killing him would magically solve every problem with Konoha/in canon'. not how government/political events/war/the world works even if you're convinced he's just bad, folks!

(And I'll cheat a little and also include 'completely siding with the canon narrative that he was a coward for hesitating on volunteering to die in his youth'. Like it's actually heartbreaking to me that Danzo is So fucking mentally ill around that incident and seems to continue to live his life with the assumption implied by what he says about his father and grandfather dying in battle, and that being his duty - essentially, that he has to constantly earn the mere fact of being alive, because he 'should' die if the opportunity ever arises. So he has to be constantly doing stuff For The Village, and doing the most stuff, because otherwise how can he justify not dying at the first opportunity as a teenager? And canon kind of just agrees with that line of thinking by being like 'his only minorly redeeming act is killing himself instead of dying', and then people constantly refer to him as a coward for that one incident in his youth, and... man, just as someone who can really relate to some of Danzo's personal brand of insanity and doesn't like any narrative that holds up getting yourself killed as a heroic moral good and wanting to live as cowardice, it just makes me sad okay! personal/blorbo pity party over)

23. Favorite picture of this character?

How can I choose?

(Also I swear I vaguely remember other arts that aren't turning up when i search my blog... rip)

[mamagou1]

Into the Naru-Verse Au(?)

Pretty self explanatory; Naruto, during the second part of the Chunin exams, gets hit with a Jutsu (Pre Orochimaru Fight) that drags ten (at this point of my brain storming) alternate versions/variants of himself into the ‘main’ universe, so eleven total Narutos. Shenanigans, revelations, and more ensue.

I was going to include art of each variant but I decided against it, might post art at some point who knows. But I will include what sketches I have.

The Variants are:

Naruto|Prime-Og Naruto, who we all know and love

Genderbent!|To-Chan-Basically just Naruto in a different font. Here are a bunch of sketches of her.

NeoUzushio!|Tsunami-Calmer than the others but in a ‘Calm before The Storm’ type of way. Has longer hair that’s braided back, the tips just barely turning red, and has two earlobe piercings on each ear based on my personal Uzushio lore. Uses handheld (practice) war fans. Ran away a few weeks before graduation because Danzo sent Root Anbu after him.

TimeTravelFixIt!|Ryouma-The only Adult surrounded by bunch of 12 and 13 year olds, very big tired dad energy. Had primary dark red/blood red hair with the ends blond in a way that resembles a fox tail as a side effect of absorbing ing Og timeline’s Kurama’s Chakra. Also very tall for the same reason. Whisker marks look more like scars and has purple eyes. (May or may not be a budding god)

Genderbent+RaisedbyTheSannin!|Hime-The most physically fit after Ryouma. Grew up spoiled rotten by Jiraiya, and later on Orochimaru, who is kind of redeemed in her universe and as a seal on him that prevents him from using chakra at all. Has little elements of all the Sannin, like her Hitai-ate has little horns and dips slightly down in the middle, wears eye make up that resembles Orochimaru’s clan markings, Tsunade’s insane strength and wears a kimono top the same way that the Sannin did when they were Gennin. Has long hair thats half up in a bun. Also has a seal on her tongue that lets her produce different kinds of venom when activated.

Little Fox!Tatsuma-Technically a Time travel fix it Au but has no memory of his original life. Baby Kyubi, Kurama’s son. Normally is a Fox with three tails, but has a human form. Mischievous and very much a trickster.

Blind!|Tremor-Got blinded when he was really young when he got attacked. Honed his senses and sensor abilities as he grew. Makes blind jokes all the time. Has scars around his eyes, and lighter pupils.

{Former}Root+Feral!|Kitsune-Was taken by Danzo instead of going to the academy. Danzo, being an arrogant bastard, loosened the seal, believing he could control Kurama. This leads to Naruto, who’s extremely traumatized, allowing Kurama to take control for a bit and Kurama straight up killing Danzo by crushing his head with the massive stone bricks he ripped out of the wall. Now lives in the Forest of Death. Do the Adults know he’s there? Yes. Is the only ones he actually interacts with Kakashi and Tenzo/Yamato? Also yes.

RaisedbyKakashi!|Hakate/Wolf-Was adopted by Kakashi when his was three. Knows all the gossip. Will bite you

MagicalGirl!|Tangerine-Exactly what it says on the tin. Has no idea what’s going on but is happy to be here and to kick some ass. Hair resembles a heart when in magical girl mode, really short other wise. Kurama is her familiar.

Genderbent+Dumb/CutePersona!|Naruko-Learned to act dumb and cute to make herself seem harmless as a defence mechanism. Is treated slightly better than the others. Naruto is her actual name but goes by Naruko even in her own universe because it’s ‘cuter’. Hair is in three big braids like Mitsuri’s from demon slayer. Has the biggest crash outs, while also having a complete blank face. Like Wolf, knows all the gossip but all so knows a lot of dirty secrets about people because they think she’s too dumb to understand what they’re saying. Ironically, one of the most knowledgeable variants because she was sabotaged less than the others. Was inspired by a Fic I read a while ago but I can’t remember what the title of it was.

———

that’s all for now

[yellowocaballero]

i always got the impression that retconning tobito was less for shipping kakaobi and more bc ppl were like "you're telling me the only good uchiha besides shisui (and maybe kagami, danzo's old teammate that no one talks about) was actually NOT GOOD all along? that the guy kakashi idolized and upheld his standards to was just as flawed and evil as itachi?! NO let's just pretend the masked man was actually madara all along!!" true haters of the curse of hatred turning all uchiha evil lmao.

Oh, I get that! I haven't read any of these fics at all, so I'm working off what I know about fandom trends. I have had ZERO interaction with Naruto fandom.

I get having some antipathy for this absolute genetic propensity towards evil. I am wondering if it's Sasuke fans who are sad that all the Uchiha are ending up evil, which - to be honest, I forget that Sasuke fans exist. It's 2024 and we're all in college at least. If you're a Sasuke fangirl over 15 I want to study you.

That said, it's a disservice to any character to think that removing negative traits makes them more interesting. The fact that the person who Kakashi idolized and sanctified in death turns back up as a bad guy is interesting, and I've always liked the trope. I think it works really well for Kakashi's character too: he's somebody who thinks of himself as a monster, and his dead team as saints. Showing that he was wrong about Obito (or, at least, that the world's grown more complicated) can show that he's wrong about himself too.

As usual, it's one of those things that could be good if handled well and bad if handled bad. Maybe the Uchiha all turn evil because they have the most batshit generational trauma of all time and they propegate it themselves between generations, and that they all have the potential for goodness if a blonde teenager monologues at them for long enough. What then.

[watermelonsloth]

No, Sasuke Did A Lot Wrong

(Disclaimer: There's nothing wrong with liking Sasuke as a character or sympathizing with his backstory. I'm also not talking about all Sasuke fans, only the extreme "pro-sasuke/anti-konoha/anti-itachi" fans.)

I'm getting pretty sick of the defenses used by Sasuke fans to justify his behavior throughout shippuden. The defenses themselves are fine enough, Sasuke did have plenty of reasons for his anger and resulting actions, but his fans always seem to be trying to absolve him of blame. The worst of them even act as if you're some morally reprehensible monster if you dare say Sasuke made a lot of terrible decisions that hurt a lot of people. God help the poor soul who dares to like Itachi or Tobirama.

I'm not going to defend Konoha or their actions here and, from what I can tell, no one else is. The entire shinobi world is fucked up in a frustratingly realistic way, so it makes sense that anyone trying to do something to fix it would immediately earn audience sympathy and relatability. However, most of those characters are villains. Why? It's not because the Naruto series is pro-violence, authoritarianism, war, or complacency. It's because they're terrorists. They react to personal wrongdoing, sometimes perceived but often not, by creating violent plans that are undeniably extremist. Madara and Obito basically wanted to hard reset the world by placing everyone into an eternal genjutsu and Nagato wanted to nuke the planet every time a country asked for war until all conflict disappeared. Those are objectively bad plans that would put the world into an even worse state and I hope I don't have to explain why.

Sasuke's "revolution" was no better. As a quick reminder, these were Sasuke's plans to "fix" the shinobi world: first he wanted to destroy Konoha, then he wanted to become a tyrant over Konoha, and lastly he wanted to act as a threat so dangerous that the world was forced into cooperation to fight him off. Not one of these plans is good. All of them would catch many innocent lives in the crossfire and none of them would build a better world. The best argument to defend Sasuke's goals is "complacency to wrongdoing makes you just as guilty as the wrongdoer." Ignoring that that argument is flawed, especially in the context it would theoretically be used, that argument still wouldn't change the fact that his methods are violent and extremist.

What makes all of this worse is that Sasuke's goals are also extremely hypocritical. Tell me if this sounds familiar: to prevent future conflict, one Uchiha erases a group of people because select members of that group were a potential risk. That Uchiha, in this process, agrees to take on all responsibility for this action and all anger resulting from the fallout. Was I talking about Sasuke's initial goal to change Konoha? No, I was talking about the Uchiha Massacre. His goal to become a feared tyrant over Konoha to reform it into a more peaceful state according to his image bears a striking resemblance to Danzo Shimura, of all people. His final plan is the only one that can be considered uniquely his, but if you simplify it to its core(an individual taking the burden of all of the world's hatred onto their shoulders), then it mirrors the intention of Madara(and sort of Obito, but mostly Madara). Sasuke is repeating history by mimicking the solution that he's already experienced being in the crossfire of, the goals of a monster he scorned for his morals, and the plan he personally watched fall to pieces.

Of course, this is a post about Sasuke's actions, not the plans he never enacted. The most he could be punished for is conspiracy. So, let's talk about what he did. I'd say for all of part 1 and the start of shippuden, Sasuke's worst offense is being a bit of a snarky jackass. He wasn't cruel, he had a set of morals that he consistently held himself and others to, and he deeply cared for his friends and allies. His interactions with Itachi were upsetting, Orochimaru manipulating him was tragic, and his struggle to decide between his friends and revenge was interesting. The most morally skewed thing he did was his fight with Naruto, but even that was forgivable. The start of shippuden maintains him being mostly in the clear: he nearly kills team Yamato, he kills Orochimaru, he starts traveling with some morally questionable people(scaring the crap out of some civilians and stealing a sword in the process), and he fights and kills Itachi. Again, he's not exactly a stand up citizen, but he remains just and easily forgivable. The Five Kage Summit arc is where this changes.

After learning the truth about the Uchiha Massacre and Itachi's true role in it from Obito, the Five Kage Summit arc begins with Sasuke joining the Akatsuki(a.k.a technically a mercenary group, but better called a terrorist organization considering their, at this point known, goals). The arc is easily a shift in the story's direction(for better or worse), meaning a shift in the main characters, and easily an arc I'm going to discuss in more depth in the future. Sasuke's character shift is revealed to be downward when he and the rest of team Taka attack and "kill" Killer Bee. I don't care how much you like Sasuke or how much you agree with his anger, you cannot justify him attacking and attempting to murder someone who has done nothing but be a jinchuuriki. Soon after Sasuke's role in the attack is revealed, Karui, Omoi, and Samui leave to Konoha to tell the Hokage about the planned five kage summit and that Kumogakure is taking the responsibility of Sasuke's punishment out of Konoha's hands. This is the arc where Sasuke undeniably becomes a criminal and his crimes have victims. Say what you want about Konoha and complacency and injustice, but let's make some things clear.

Killer Bee had nothing to do with the Uchiha Massacre.

Kumogakure had nothing to do with the injustices Sasuke was fighting against.

The samurai of the Land of Iron had nothing to do with shinobi affairs.

Team Taka didn't deserve to be betrayed for being "too weak."

I didn't make this post to complain about Sasuke or make him out to be a bad character. Actually, I think he's one of the best written within the series and he's among my favorites. Sasuke is a morally complex character, a fantastic foil to Naruto, an impactful warning on what happens when someone is consumed by hatred and abandons their humanity in pursuit of their goals, and the end of his arc was really nice(until Boruto ruined it, but that's another rant for another day). I get so upset about people making Sasuke out to be an innocent or wholly justified character, not only because those same people often take an undeserved moral high ground and talk down to/shame people for having problematic favorites as if Sasuke isn't problematic, but because it doesn't give his character the credit it deserves. Sasuke is such a good character because he and his actions are imperfect. He's good because he is morally complex.

The Naruto series is about a boy who is ostracized by his home and targeted by a terrorist organization for something he has no control over. He responds to his circumstances by building connections, finding peace, and making an attempt to change both himself and the world around him rather than giving into his anger and lashing out. Naruto and many other characters struggle to maintain their humanity in a world that seeks to destroy it. Sasuke's story is not one of a tragic hero burning his perpetrators and the world that allowed them to the ground. His story is about a hurt and manipulated child abandoning more and more of his humanity under the assumption that it'll somehow help him do good in a bad world until he becomes the bad. His story ends with him confronting that humanity and coming to terms with it because there was still someone waiting for him with a hand held out.

[sueske]

do you hate sakura or did you come to hate her bc of her fans? i saw many people they hate her because of her fans but when i was watching naruto and didn't interact with the fandom, i hated her and her fans made it worse but i already hated her. same with hinata i thought she was so pointless

for me it’s cuz of their stans. I reserved the word hate for characters like tobirama and danzo, but those girls’ stans are vile and homophobic and make up all sorts of lies which completely soured the characters for me.

[jinnxd]

Not only was I just thinking about you and your fic just as you updated it, you also wrote Mizuki in a way that absolutely made me disgusted, it was too perfect. Like spot on with some of the guys that have hit on me and one I ended up dating. Absolutely gross, I loved it! Even though it made my skin crawl. Like fuck Mizuki, Orochimaru can have his body if you ask me. And I can't wait to absolutely melt when you get to the point of actually making Kiya and Kakashi date. Is fanfiction off of fanfiction a thing? Because I can imagine it now: they get together and everything around the same time as team 7 is formed, and then Naruto and Sasuke get assigned to team 7, and they gotta warm up to Kakashi one way or another, and he to them, and it all ends up in the most adorable family picnic. Or family vacation. Where Kakashi and Kiya are trying to have a romantic moment or two that the kids keep ruining because they're trying to have a dumb contest, the kind Kakashi and Guy regularly have. Meanwhile Kiya and Kakashi are working on a way to take down Danzo. And both of the boys end up overhearing that goal but never know the reason why they wanna do that. And also I headcanon sasunaru so Sasuke leaves after the exams anyway, and along the way realizes his feelings for Naruto run deeper and so he returns to his family. And Naruto realizes his feelings after training with Jiraya. Kakashi and Kiya are kinda weirded out but they've seen weirder things so it's fine. And as a family, they take down Danzo. But during the fight Danzo reveals what he wanted to do with Kiya which makes both kids rage so hard they don't even leave a single atom of him remain once he's dead. Is there a plot to this? Absolutely, it's called revenge and happiness because fuck Danzo and I want everyone else to be happy. Anyway sorry for rambling, THANK YOU FOR THE UPDATE, and I love you baiii <3

omg… you were thinking about me?! hehe I’m blushingggg (*´ ˘ `*).｡oO ( ♡ )

I felt horrible writing Mizuki and Kiya’s interactions, but they’re really just all based on past experiences of mine :3 that and I just took every single revolting aspect I could think of and threw them all at him hehehe—self-proclaimed “alpha male”? Check. Constantly interrupts Kiya and refuses to take no for an answer? Check! Negs her at every possible turn? Check, check, check!!!

(AU headcanon: Mizuki is a die-hard Andrew Tate fan)

I feel like we’ve all had shitty experiences with shitty men before (like wtf why are they EVERYWHERE) so this chapter/Mizuki’s WHOLE character is a tribute to all the victims of shitty men (≧o≦) I sincerely hope that the guy you ended up dating did not last long at all, and I hope he got what was coming to him! No one deserves to be treated that way >:(

(but I admit I’m having fun with this—it’s like Mizuki is being put in a public stockade and we all get to throw rotten tomatoes at him :) in a way, it’s nice to see that he’s so widely hated, because WE ALL DESERVE BETTER!!!)

I can’t wait for Kakashi and Kiya to get together, either🤭 there’s been a tiny hint of progress, but there’s still a long way to go until they both stop being idiots and just KISS already 👺

The fanfic of a fanfic is ADORABLE, I love that so much :’) I just want them all to be happy, they deserve so much love <3

And as for the Danzo takedown, there are a million different ideas in my head that are floating around!!! It sort of drives me crazy because everything else has an outline, but Danzo’s demise is just one big question mark🙈 the goal is to have it be a team effort, give everyone a chance to get their revenge, y’know? But then in the meantime Danzo just gets to LIVE until Sasuke’s old enough to beat him up… AHHHH idk idk idk all I know is I want everyone to jump his old mummy-looking ass 😌

RAMBLING IS MY FAV, I LOVE RAMBLING!!! (as we can all tell, I physically cannot shut up… we’re barely halfway through the story and at almost 300k words… oopsie) DONT APOLOGIZE FOR RAMBLING!!!!! Thank *you* for this lovely lovely comment, it was a pleasure to read 🫶🫶🫶

SENDING YOU SO MUCH LOVE!!!! ( •ॢ◡-ॢ)-♡

[please-read-the-manga]

It's all good man, just offering a few caveats before I start:

1.) I never read and have very little interest in Itachi Shinden as it's a light novel (maybe that will change someday, though). That being said I think I (roughly) know about some of the elements you're hinting at (between Fugaku and Itachi) from the novel but not any specifics. I know some people hold them as absolute canon while others completely disregard them, etc. For me, I see them as somewhere in-between, but like I said I fully admit I'm unfamiliar with them. The original manga is where it is at with me.

2.) I literally say in the post/disclaimer that Fugaku is not infallible. This isn't a post to glaze him lol and I even critique how he handled Itachi outside of the moment shown AND criticize Madara as well. It's mostly intended as an examination comparing two perspectives that were striking to me (Fugaku's and Hashirama's) that, again, to me, appear contradictory in an intriguing way. If that means it shouldn't exist in the Itachi tag, I can always remove that so as to not bother his fans here (I just thought since he was mentioned I should tag it that way).

3.) I'm never going to grant that the Uchiha genocide was in anyway necessary or justified. Full stop. So, if there's some element of trying to get me to see 'why' it was done 1.) I already understand the varying character perspectives on it (namely those from Itachi and Danzo), but 2.) I will personally never view those as legitimate/justifiable. I feel very strongly over how events like these are portrayed in media. That being said, again... everything is complex. We can examine (as I'm open to do) the dimensions that exist within the clan politics we're shown in the manga as well as the actions of complicated/contradictory characters like Madara, I just draw the line at ever seeing genocide as a solution to those layered problems. The massacre of every single Uchiha (including civilians, children not named Sasuke, and those likely not even involved in the coup plans) is unjust and I will firmly stand by that. Sorry.

This comes before Hiruzen shoots down Danzo's claim that the 'Uchiha will not be dissuaded' as Hiruzen hasn't even tried diplomacy yet, nor does he get the chance. Danzo makes it clear that his decision to unjustly (I stand by that word) indiscriminately slaughter an entire group of people through Itachi is preemptive. Actions by the Uchiha have not been taken yet, diplomacy has not yet been pursued and Danzo ensures it never will once he presents Itachi with his horrific 'choices'.

Okay, so hopefully that clarifies a bit right off the bat, and I apologize for not being well-versed on Itachi Shinden - my analysis here is restricted to the manga.

(Hopefully this is the correct formatting for replies. This got... really long lol, so I'll cut it up here).

Criticising Fugaku for his terrible parenting is not the same as portraying him as a "demon of hatred and cruelty." It's not even a prevelent opinion in the fandom. Itachi gets way more hate, is demonised way more than Fugaku, even if Fugaku was the one who shaped him, abandoned him, and became one of the biggest reasons why the massacre even happened in the first place. The man could have stopped it all by paying more attention to Itachi after Shisui's death. But nope. He had in fact sent Shisui to spy on his own son.

I guess it's impossible to measure who gets more hate (or I wouldn't know how to do that anyway) but this write-up was never meant to be a comparison between Fugaku and Itachi? Other than their interactions with one another, that is. In my experience, I have more commonly seen portrays of Fugaku being this caricature of an evil villain who lives to ruin Sasuke's life... I actually think the fan works that present Fugaku as a more complex character with honest looks into his parenting difficulties are really refreshing.

Fugaku is awkward. That's something Mikoto outright states and that's something Sasuke acknowledges/agrees with enough to find comfort in following her pointing it out. He doesn't know the right thing to say all the time, but I absolutely do not think this negates his love for his sons.

When Itachi is being wrongly criticized by other clan members over the death of Shisui and his own commitment to the clan's cause, Fugaku defends Itachi and adds weight to Itachi's reasoning for his behavior.

Again, I'm not sure if Itachi Shinden negates these flashbacks, and we can maybe examine the fact they're from Sasuke's POV (these are Sasuke's memories and he was very obviously a child here), but I re-read them and see a father struggling to understand the conflict his son is navigating through but still standing by his child in a way that he can. We can say that it's 'not enough' but to me, here, I don't believe Fugaku is abandoning him. I know we can likely agree too, that too much responsibility was put onto to Itachi - he was far too young to be navigating politics at this level and being used not just as a pipeline from the clan to the village, but the reverse as well through Hiruzen, Danzon and the Elders' own machinations.

So, maybe we'll just have to agree to disagree that Itachi gets more hate, as you say. Really the only measure I could think of is that Fugaku is a MUCH smaller character compared to Itachi and his impact on general fan opinion may be a lot smaller as a result? But, in my opinion, Itachi frequently gets a lot of fan support and is a very popular character, to the extent many don't criticize his actions at all (though there is, of course, some good critical analysis out there). As a fan of certain characters like Madara (whew and isn't he an interesting mess lol) and Sasuke, who certainly have their fair share of awesome fans/positive reception, I know what it's like to see those negative opinions/write-ups slip through that I feel are major misinterpretations haha, and it can be so hard to ignore them sometimes lol. So I get it.

"Unjustly" even if it happened due to the bad decisions made by Fugaku himself, for years, throwing his son to the wolves, preparing him as a weapon so he would be useful for war against the village while having no idea of the future afterwards. Fugaku only realised he had been wrong and destroyed Itachi's life. If he had known this before, he wouldn't have thought of the coup as the only solution to their plight. And even if he had, he wouldn't have dragged his child into this mess to turn him into a killing machine. He was more excited about Itachi's Anbu mission than Sasuke's Academy.

I've kind of belabored this point already, but yes... unjustly. Placing the blame for his family's genocide solely on Fugaku is an interesting take. Again, maybe Itachi Shinden has some revelations I've never heard of, but I think we may be reaching with the 'no idea of the future afterwards' when we literally are not privy to any of those exact conversations. We just don't know (and there's so much we don't know). We don't know what the Uchiha had actually prepared in regards to the coup... how far along they were (though some characters with their own distinct biases have opinions on this, I'd argue we still don't objectively know). We never get a chance to see if diplomacy may have played out, but enough characters do speculate that the massacre may not have been so inevitable (Minato mentions the UCM being his fault for passing away, Itachi literally wonders before he is released from the edo tensei if Sasuke could have changed things, etc)... all that speculation, to me, reveals that it was never so black and white.

I do agree that Fugaku likely had many regrets. Again, he's a realistically flawed parent (to me) in what I observe in these panels. He's, as pointed out, incredibly awkward and when Itachi does point out to him how badly Sasuke wants his father at his attendance ceremony, he acquiesces. I feel the need to stress that I'm not really going out of my way to defend him here, but I am pointing out there are layers to his character that likely influence his actions (even if we are not told so explicitly)... he is the clan head, his clan is being discriminated against (and this has occurred for decades now), his clan is rightfully upset at this mistreatment, and it's all coming to a head. Further, as clan head, there is an expectation (right or wrong) that his heir will inherit his responsibilities and duties one day. I agree that's a lot to put onto a child (especially one who is also being hounded after by the village higher-ups for their own gain), but I do think it's worthwhile to remember that this is what Fugaku is dealing with...

I, personally, don't think he was setting out to ruin his son while laughing manically as he planned new ways to overwhelm Itachi and give him more crushing responsibilities lol - I jest a bit, sorry. If that were the case, I don't think he would encourage Itachi to stand by his convictions in the end, nor do I think he would defend his son to the clan even as said son lowkey showcased some alarming behavior (just to clarify here so nothing gets misconstrued, the POV here is that of other members of the clan who are already suspicious of him - it's not my opinion, we the reader know why Itachi is acting that way).

To dive in further, this scene, where Itachi refuses to explain his mission to his father and is going to take the mission in lieu of the clan meeting, is one where we see a very stern Fugaku who is exerting his authority in the parent-child relationship and reiterating what he expects of Itachi (this difficult balance between clan and village responsibilities when tensions are at an all-time high). It is negative, it is harsh. We still see him later, however, (as mentioned earlier) defending Itachi's decision not to attend and standing by his son when the other clan members confront him. Again, not an infallible guy, but hardly this 'evil' father he gets painted as.

Fugaku did not stand by Itachi's side. Not when it was needed. So this moment only serves to make a 12-year-old Itachi feel more guilty.

Here, I think you are referring to the aftermath of Shisui's suicide? As far as I know, I don't think there was anything specifically mentioned about Fugaku's response or absence of a response to the suicide, but I'll re-read Fugaku's manga panels and see if there's something to add here. If it gets addressed, I don't remember it being in the manga. But like I said, I'll check, I'm unfamiliar on this.

Not exactly sure why this is always used as a criticism towards Hashirama. Once you're a leader of the people, they're your responsibility. And if your family/friends cause any trouble and put the lives of thousands others you're responsible for on risk, you must choose. I don't remember Hashirama saying he'd kill a child, but that if it were his own child. Again, this is Shinobi world, and some kids can be more dangerous than the adults. Madara was involving innocent people in his mess. Hashirama had every right to protect the people who had put their faith in him.

In reference to this line:

It's never stated directly in these Hashirama flashbacks, but we eventually learn that Madara came back to the village with the Nine-Tails solely to challenge him with the (as we, the reader, know) hidden intent of harvesting some of Hashirama's DNA (biting his flesh) for his new 'dream' plan. Madara also doesn't deny it, though, when Hashirama asks if Madara intends to destroy everything they've built together. As much as I enjoy Madara, I have no delusions that he can be a horrendous communicator lol. He is capable of opening up just a bit, like when he shows Hashirama the secret tablet that no other outsider has ever been permitted to see (ie. a big deal) after his doubts are beginning to mount about the village and its future. He literally reveals his doubts and uncertainties, opening up, only to then immediately clam up again (very confusingly, to Hashirama) when Hashirama asks for more clarification. Ah, in some ways this is making me want to examine the two of them as a struggle between show-don't-tell and the reverse, where Madara seems to prefer grand, revealing gestures but Hashirama appreciates more direct words - but alas, that's a post idea for another day.

Now, I can agree with you reminding us that it's the shinobi world and we know they operate with different principles and values... but on the level of examining what I consider Fugaku's unconditional love and Hashirama's implication here (and I interpret that line as him implying he would absolutely take the same actions he's taking with Madara, even if it were his son/brother/etc doing it) my personal take on it and what I relate to more is Fugaku standing by his son and refusing to battle him. I think you may see that as Fugaku foisting more guilt onto Itachi (I also don't want to put words in your mouth though), but I read it more as Fugaku trying to impart one final lesson that is encouraging Itachi to be prepared now that he will walk this new path alone. Similarly, I couldn't fathom killing my own child even if I knew they were doing wrong - so my interpretation of Hashirama's words here are to view them as cruel and cold. That doesn't mean you wouldn't remove said child from being able to cause harm in some way (you absolutely should) but to kill them is a step I can't imagine taking. In such a circumstance (though I imagine I'd hopefully never be in one lol) I think I'd take Fugaku's approach.

All of that, at the end of the day, is pure personal opinion and perspective influenced by diverging values and life experiences. It's absolutely okay for others to disagree here, this post is merely my interpretation of what we have in the manga along with critique regarding fan portrayals that I believe fail to offer nuance to Fugaku/Hashirama regarding these perspectives. I haven't been around long enough in this tumblr space to know why it's 'always' used, but I'd be eager to see other interpretations/sentiments on it. That moment has always stayed with me.

100% Fugaku's fault. He wasn't supposed to use his son as a weapon. He should have talked to the Hokage instead of using Itachi. The oppression was wrong but Fugaku took his vulnerable child and exposed him to extreme violence. Leave aside the fact that he didn't even think of the consequences of the coup.

So, again, I'm a bit lost regarding the 'consequences of the coup' and which panels he mentions he's just going in blind, full-speed ahead everything else be damned? The truth is we never get to see (at least in the manga) if they were ready to ahead with the coup. Danzo, an incredibly biased voice, believes they could take out the Uchiha easily and preemptively. Perhaps they could, but we don't know because Danzo violated the Hiruzen's call for diplomacy, gave Itachi a ridiculous choice, set his own immediate timetable, and went for it anyway.

I really don't vibe with the implication that Fugaku is solely at-fault for his people's own genocide... especially with the oppression and discrimination they were facing. In the panels (and sadly we only really get Sasuke's, Itachi's, and a bit of Obito's POV on the night of the massacre - all of whom are likely, in some way, biased), I don't see anything where Danzo's preemptive rush against the clan was warranted. Planning is not doing - oh, it's still a crime in the eyes of the government, but we were never past the point of no return (ie. actual action) regarding this supposed coup.

Also, if we're granting more weight to the shinobi world and its structure (which I think makes sense, you're right) then we need to acknowledge that Itachi was always going to, unfortunately, take part in the system of violence. Kakashi is also extremely young when he is thrust into the shinobi world and bogged down with horrific responsibilities. The case of Itachi and Kakashi being far too young for the violence expected of them is actually revealing of how flawed Konoha is and how bastardized it became from Hashirama/Madara's initial dream. To them, Konoha was meant to be a place where their younger brothers wouldn't have to fight, where kids could be kids... yet more wars continued where child soldiers were demanded, children were tasked to contend with deadly engagements (including the state-sanctioned chunin exams), even in Boruto (lol) this shit is STILL not fixed. Throughout the story we repeatedly see that the village is a hypocritical mess built on a faulty foundation that constantly fuels the 'cycle of hatred' it claims to fight against. It's a broken state that creates tragedies like Itachi and Sasuke. It destroys people like Kakashi. Their world is a very cruel one.

Now, I think you're really going to dislike this comparison but I think it's interesting that this concept of 'Fugaku taking a vulnerable child and exposing him to extreme violence' in an effort to prepare him for the harshness of the world and make him 'stronger' is quite literally what Itachi tries to do to Sasuke. So, if we grant that Fugaku is also a product of this corrupt, violent state and he knows said state discriminates against people like him and we also task him with being both a clan head that must operate for the village (Chief of Police) and for his clan (the Uchiha who are being oppressed) while additionally traumatizing him with wars and baggage of his own (that we don't quite know the details of, but is implied) and then, after all that, ask him to be a 'good' father and raise his sons so they can survive in such a world... idk, it's a pretty tall order, right? And now let's go a step further, we then have Itachi who similarly mimics these difficult circumstances (bearing multiple, very heavy responsibilities to diverging entities), is also traumatized and mentally unwell, wants desperately to protect his younger brother out of love but doesn't really have a 'healthy' (or what we could consider healthy in our world) example to pull from beyond what he personally endured/experienced... we then finally come to the case of Sasuke who is forced to bear Itachi's torture that mentally and emotionally scars him for life.

We know that Itachi believes this was the right decision, that Sasuke had to become strong to survive and THIS is how Itachi understands survival. The torture that sought to change Sasuke from what he was at his core (an innocent, kind child) came from Itachi's perception of love and the tools/knowledge he had at his disposal within his limited circumstances (though if we can play with the idea that Fugaku could have found a way to stop the coup, maybe, I think we can also play with the idea that Itachi could have found a way to not violently torture Sasuke and utterly devastate his life). I've never said that Itachi isn't also traumatized and a victim of the shinobi system, he absolutely is, but in some ways I believe there is a cycle of violence being passed down that is framed (by the characters) as a way to 'prepare them for the reality of their world' and they do so out of a sense of love... and, in that, Itach is both a victim and a perpetrator of grave harm.

To us, the reader, this is all very nasty on every level. Again, I never said Fugaku was perfect (not by any means) and I don't think Itachi is evil or anything, I really like his scenes with Sasuke and the layers of tragedy they hold - I think they're all (Fugaku included) victims of the corrupt rot that runs through Konoha and began at its foundation.

Oy, but I've probably gone on too long now. I felt these points were worth clarifying. Apologies again for not being well-versed on Itachi-Shinden... if it really is so revealing, I wish those scenes you're alluding to had been included in the OG manga so we'd know about them!

I guess I'll grant that some of this may have been a bit of 'Fugaku defense squad' lol, but I am really just trying to help frame him based on what we see in the manga. This also isn't meant to dog on Itachi or Hashirama... they're both good, complicated characters in my opinion. Ultimately, I personally think Fugaku's final moments with Itachi are filled with compassion and what I view as unconditional love from a parent. Others might not see it that way and I think that's fine. As for Hashirama, I think weighing the state over your closest friends and own family is pretty damn cold and not something I agree with morally, but again... it's individual. This is how I take these scenes.

Hm, been contemplating these panels lately and thinking about which character is constantly demonized within the fandom/fan works involving them and which is frequently viewed as the ultimate loving and moral person...

And:

One is a man bearing the supposed 'Curse of Hatred' who loves his children so much that he is continuing to parent and offer unconditional love to his son even after said son has already participated in the brutal state-sanctioned genocide of their people/culture and is about to end his (and his wife's - who, btw, is on the same page as him) life.

The other is a man from the supposed 'Clan of Love' who boldly holds the conviction that he would cease his compassion towards even his own child if they stood against him and his dream (the village), regardless of the fact his dream (the village) is a corruptible entity that does not maintain personhood.

Interestingly, I think there is something to be said for the fact both Fugaku and Hashirama are also shown struggling to understand Itachi and Madara (respectively).

Fugaku is actually quite honest regarding his issues in relating to Itachi and while we're not always privy to all the conversations they've had about the state of the clan/sentiment of the Leaf village towards their people, it's clear that those discussions have been had. While the panels where we do see more explicit conversations taking place show Fugaku reiterating to Itachi that his role in ANBU is to serve as a pipeline between the clan/village (which could be argued as an unfair burden foisted onto a child, in my opinion) there are also moments that indicate Fugaku is willing to defer to Itachi (at least on some topics) when his son offers a contradictory viewpoint (like attendance at Sasuke's entrance ceremony, for example).

Side note... this also reminds me of the very short (unfortunately) interactions we see between Madara and his father, Tajima. Tajima clearly respects his son as well and defers to him when Madara insists that they not fight Hashirama and his family on the river - Tajima accepts this from his son without pause.

Alternatively, we also see Madara trying to explain his perspective to a skeptical Hashirama before he commits to taking more drastic actions. Madara is trying to articulate his frustrations with what is happening in the village/how it is progressing with regards to his clan and (even though we never really get Madara's own unfiltered perspective on this time period) we are shown instances of Madara's grievances holding water (ie. Tobirama advocating for Madara not to be made Hokage, but instead pushing randomly for a democratic system that never seems to actually be cemented or made precedent within the village afterwards but absolutely benefits Hashirama/the Senju in the short-run, Madara 'overhearing' Tobirama's continued bias against the Uchiha in private conversations between the brothers, Hashirama continuing to scold his brother -someone who had ample power within the system of governance since its inception- for his bias against the clan even when they're brought back via the edo tensei, etc). Hashirama tries to (weakly, in my opinion) defend the village status quo/way it is progressing and seems to want to better understand Madara, but isn't willing or is unable to go that extra mile for his friend - and, perhaps in some ways, Madara too was unwilling/unable to articulate himself in a more digestible way once their divergence of opinion on their shared village came to this new crux.

Ultimately, I just find it interesting that Fugaku, this character who is often portrayed by fans as a demon of hatred and cruelty, would (in reality) stand by his son even in his darkest hour, even as he is unjustly slaughtering their family, and continue to reaffirm that he is proud of Itachi/loves him - and this is directly counter to Hashirama who asserts he would absolutely kill anyone (including a child) that stood between him protecting that which he loves the most (the village).

And, of course, we also have this to chew on lol...

Sasuke explaining to edo Hashirama that Itachi inherited his 'Will of Fire' jingoism.

Mandatory disclaimer that Fugaku is not infallible and all the characters here (but Fugaku and Hashirama in particular) are their own people/the circumstances do vary (especially as one relationship is framed in the context of father-son and the other as two friends/peers)... I should also note that I still enjoy Hashirama as a character, I just think his flaws are often under-examined and that the hypocrisy inherent to the 'Will of Fire' philosophy/the Leaf Village (and by extension the shinobi world) is equally neglected especially when it comes to this fandom's love of tearing down the Uchiha to their worst traits/moments. But, man, something about these two panels and character portrayals in particular have just been eating at me the past few days, so I figured I'd try to work out some thoughts on them.

[sapphic-sasuke]

Hello. I’ve read your fanfiction on AO3 and I’m a fan of your writing. (I'm excited to see how you handle Danzō in your current fanfic) I saw your tags in a post saying that had Danzō been written better, he would’ve been one of your favorite characters.

Now, I’m certainly not a Danzō sympathizer, but I’ve read fanfiction that did humanize him beyond the typical one-dimensional villain in canon and it made me like his character a little.

I don’t see many people sharing this viewpoint, which made me curious, what do you see in him? I’d love to read your take and how you would’ve handled his character.

Hihihi and ahhh thank you im so happy you like my fanfic!!!

So I guess what I like about danzo is how he’s a corrupt, konoha antagonist who runs an underground ANBU faction that isn’t open knowledge to konoha shinobi. something that really interests me is how it’s always danzo who confronts the main konoha casts with the extent of the village’s war crimes. to me, danzo acts as a symbol of konoha’s corruption. but he also always acts in konoha’s best interests. he is konoha personified to me and when sasuke killed him, he killed off his final connection to konoha.

danzo was enabled by the shinobi around him. notwithstanding his brainwashed army, he had power, authority to be in a position to get away with that act for so long. and i think danzo could have been used as a perfect tool to make the main cast doubt their village, doubt the authority they’re conditioned to serve.

to me it’s not really about how humanised danzo is because i actually think he’s plenty humanised in canon. he’s obsessed with konoha, jealous of hiruzen and is hardened into believing that anything is necessary for the village’s survival. but he is also weak, senile and at his moment of death tries so desperately to escape and run away. he’s cowardly; he hides behind a brainwashed army. he requires absolute obedience from his ROOT because he desires control and domination for the stability to feel like “i did something right; i am placing konoha first so my life has purpose. so the sacrifices i make are fine” and in a village where child soldiers are the norm, where indoctrination is mandatory to serve as a shinobi, teetering into a state of extremism is relative. it’s a military dictatorship and when all you know is war and domination and politics, that is the result.

while danzo is a perpetrator of the shinobi system, he is also unknowingly a victim of its violence. he witnessed it come into fruition into the powerhouse that konoha became. in fact, it’s his actions that maintained that, and i think it turned into an obsession, to the point where anybody that threatened it, anybody that came in the way of decades of hard work of keeping their military thriving had to be exterminated indiscriminately.

danzo isn’t a good person. none of the characters are. but to me he’s a really nice example of just how far the shinobi system can annex one’s morality, compassion and sense of reality. this is the same man who implanted himself with sharingans on his arm, who injected himself with hashirama cells. he is a walking abomination. everything about him is unnatural—but then contrastingly, he is the most effective shinobi. he lives through deception and underestimation.

his main ideology doesn’t come into conflict with any konoha shinobi; it’s only ever his methods that are criticised. he is willing to sacrifice the people of the village, even innocents like children (not just the “traitors” like the uchihas) and that is where the conflict comes from because danzo’s sacrifices of children are hidden, kidnappings. hiruzen’s sacrifices of children are official and with the consent of the parents. as such, acting within the laws of the state, one is seen as better than the other when realistically, although ROOT is definitely far more brutal, they are one and the same. they operate under the same system with the same results: death.

this farce of autonomy when being shinobi is something danzo doesn’t bother himself with. shinobis are tools first and foremost so danzo takes that literally, sees hiruzen’s preaching of friendship for the false propaganda that it is and contends himself with raising an army to one day become the hokage himself. and he even achieves it—but only briefly. and i think there’s something so satisfying in that. to work so hard, to become a monster even in comparison to shinobi and to still fail... it’s so nice.

the symbolism of him being so unnatural while also perfectly embodying konoha’s qualities is something i really like about his character. if he was less of a scapegoat and was used to directly impact character’s perceptions of konoha with lasting results i would have favoured him definitely. he’s only really shown as black and white evil because of the narrative’s portrayal... when in actuality compared to the other hokages, his crimes are just as bad.

[captnjacksparrow]

The thing is, because they (Konoha ninjas) are a part of the protagonists, the good guys, the village as a whole is portrayed as being better or not as cruel as other villages (though the shinobi world is cruel so it’s not like it’s gonna be sunshine and rainbows no matter what) but it still has it’s darkness, represented in Danzo and Root and the biggest stain on the village is of course the Uchiha massacre. I think a big part of why so many people end up hating Konoha is because of this: we are told Konoha is the good guys then they do something like this, and with the UM being such a prominent plot point, it’s easy to feel cheated in a way if that makes sense (I remember when I first watched the anime I was feeling sort of lost after this revelation because what would Sasuke do now? No matter what he did he wouldn’t have anything, he wouldn’t have the village anymore…(before I realized he would always have Naruto no matter what lol)) And also it can be provoking to have someone tell you over and over that they’re good and then be “hiding” something so dark. And I’m not saying the UM was ridiculous because in the situational context it makes sense because they were planning to overthrow the leadership of the village but that same leadership is the reason they got to that point to begin with so there aren’t any innocents in this. But if we look at this will of fire that the Uchiha never really adopted but that the Hokages starting with Hashirama put so much weight on, which is something a lot of anti-konoha like to call fascist propaganda (which it might be, I don’t have the knowledge to say either or in this) it’s actually not hard to understand why they put so much weight on it. Especially from Hashirama and Tobirama who lived in the era of warring clans. Because the village system would only work if everyone involved was willing to put the needs and wants of their clan aside and be part of a whole. Which the Uchiha never did fully.

I hope there is something in this that makes sense hahaha. I just needed to write down my thoughts on it.

I am so glad to answer this Ask... seriously!!! And very excited to find that there is someone out there who is being very realistic by acknowledging the mistakes of the Uchiha Clan which is a super rarity here in Tumblr. Thanks again!!!!

[[Disclaimer: Lengthy and Panel-Heavy post.... Read at your best time...

This post is intended for people who are Open-minded and want to know about a rare perspective that strictly adheres to Canon... Not based on Head-Canon or self-Projection.

 Anti-Konoha, Extremist Sasuke fans, Uchiha Apologists... Don’t interact]]

Again, for the Millionth time, neither me nor this Anon supports this Massacre in any way. With that being said,

UCM REVELATION AND IT’S CONSEQUENCES

First off,

Will of Fire is something a lot of anti-konoha like to call fascist propaganda (which it might be, I don’t have the knowledge to say either or in this)

I too wanted to know about this so-called “Fascist Propaganda”.... And I sent an Ask to this amazing Blogger @dinainwater... back when I was a newcomer to this Fandom and I got a sharp and precise response. PLEASE READ IT... [Link]

And also it can be provoking to have someone tell you over and over that they’re good and then be “hiding” something so dark.

Hiding means Hiding the Uchiha Clan Massacre (UCM) from revealing it to the public, Right???? I think this panel gave rise to this idea???

"I doubt they'll ever speak a word of their sickening knowledge to anyone"

Like you said, I agree that this UM is a big stain on Konoha... But what people are failing to understand is that it's even more of an unremovable stain on Uchiha Clan as well. Somehow, people just don't understand this part.

And this panel adds even more fuel to the burning fire....

And added to that... This,

Naruto really wanted to say this to his friends to defend Sasuke’s behaviour. But Kakashi stops him.... [[Because of this there is lot of Kakashi hate here...Sigh!!!]]

All the panels I've attached above gives this feeling that Konoha hides this incident from the public because of the possibility of loss of Reputation about the Hokage or Higher-Ups or both. Sasuke stans hates Naruto for keeping quiet about this matter and some SNS fans thinks that Naruto was brainwashed to keep quiet... 

They always go this way, "Well, Sasuke lost his family and his clan for this village. But somehow, Konoha Higher-Ups don't reveal it to the Public because people would lose trust on the Leadership and it will cause a Civil Unrest. So, they conveniently hide everything for their benefit and made Sasuke to "Endure" in the end (in chapter 699) by brainwashing him about Will of Fire Fascist propaganda"

And somehow they all believe that by revealing this, Magically all the Villagers will gang up together and overthrow their Leadership and hail Sasuke as their Hokage...

This is how they always go about, Right???? Right???

But that's not how it will go.... That's for sure. This Manga has lots of panels and patterns to prove it.

It's been repeated over and over again that the Uchiha clan is a celebrated clan among the Konoha Villagers. We have Zabuza, Kakashi, Lee, Neji, Orochimaru and many more who acknowledge this fact. And I am not going to attach all those panels here. Instead I'll just attach one.

This one is enough. No explanation needed. People were so excited to watch the Match of Sasuke than any other contenders there... 

And we all know how loyal Konoha Villagers are.... towards their own comrades & their Hokage & ESPECIALLY THEIR VILLAGE ....

The following panel is from the Konoha Crush Arc from Part 1.

The moment Hiruzen was attacked, every Jounin had started to gather and wanted to protect their Hokage & also their Village. [[They started to attack Orochimaru even though he is from this very Village]]

This is another instance where Konoha Shinobis were talking about Itachi from their own point of view. They couldn't tolerate him because he killed his own clan members from their Village.... And added to it, he even attacked Konoha by joining Akatsuki. They term Itachi as the Biggest Villain in their History. [[Even though Itachi was from their very own Village]].... 

[[It’s funny... In this scene, none of the villagers were demonizing Uchiha Clan or Sasuke.... Some people claim, Uchiha Clan people were ostracized by the Villagers as well... How come people sympathize an Ostracized Clan and a member from that clan??? I really wonder]]

We know that Jiraiya and Tsunade are very good friends. But still he went on to warn her that, "If you ever do anything to betray Konoha.. I'll Kill You.."

Remember at this point, Hiruzen was already dead. It's not like Jiraiya was acting like a Loyal Dog to his own Sensei or Hokage or something.... No... He don’t even have any relatives in that village..... He is talking about the Village as a Whole. It’s also funny that Jiraiya didn’t give 2 fucks about the fact that Tsunade was the grandchild of 1st Hokage [[Even though Tsunade is from this very own Village]]

Here Shikamaru is openly claiming that he don't like Sasuke... And he is not obligated to... But still he went to claim that, "But like us, Sasuke is a Shinobi of Konoha. He is our Comrade!!! Therefore I'll stake my life to rescue him... That's the Konoha Way..."

Even though, Sasuke has joined Orochimaru who attempted to destroy their village few chapters before.... Even though he personally don't like him.... Somehow he is willing to put his life on line to rescue Sasuke. Not only him... Chouji, Neji almost went to the Edge of Death... And we've never seen these boys had any friendly interaction with Sasuke so far. So, why are they helping him???? Naruto trying to retrieve Sasuke is reasonable and understandable. But why them??? That's because Sasuke also belong to the same Village as them.

Even after 3 years, they never demonized Sasuke...

And there is a separate arc, where 2 teams from Konoha (Team 7 & Kiba's Team) were sent out to save Sasuke....

It's only after they heard about Sasuke joining Akatsuki, the organization who reduced Konoha into Smithereens.... Konoha 12 decided to kill Sasuke.

They were all okay and accepted Sasuke as their comrade even though he joined Orochimaru. But the moment they heard about him joining Akatsuki... They came to the conclusion of killing him. [[Even though Sasuke is from their own Village]]

The pattern here is that Every Villagers care about their comrades & their Hokage.... But most importantly, they prioritize their Village more than anything else. Jiraiya cares about Tsunade... Heck!!! He even loved her.... But If he ever found out that she betrayed that Village, he would kill her. Same with Konoha 12 in Sasuke’s case. 

In the above panel, When Konoha 12 decides to kill Sasuke, Tsunade was under coma and the village has no official Hokage..... This is not some loyalty to their current Hokage or their Councilors. It’s all about protecting their Home. That’s all. And every villagers has this same spirit. 

This is the very same spirit that made Itachi to prioritize the Village over his own family.... even if it means his own death. 

[[That’s precisely why Sasuke (as a voice for the audience) asking the Hokages... What is this Village??? Why everyone is going so far to protect this place even though they don’t get anything from it???]]

Now where I am getting at????

“They call it revolution, but if their real intention is to take back political power, we’ll have to treat them as Rebels”

Considering all the above incidents & patterns.....

How do you think the Villagers of Konoha will take this news about Uchiha Massacre????? 

It will go like this, And I am not going to hide any facts here...

“Dear Villagers, 

Some years ago, Uchiha Clan was massacred by Uchiha Itachi on the Orders of Konoha Higher-Ups especially Danzo. They did this because Uchiha Clan wanted to take over the Village and was planning to abduct the Hokage for their Political Revolution....They decided to take over the village because they were asked to move to the Outskirts of the Village and the clan members felt they were being discriminated by the Higher Ups... This decision was taken as the result from the suspicion that arise from the Kyuubi Incident that took place 16 years ago because Kyuubi can be controlled only by the Visual Prowess of Uchiha... As it happens, Kyuubi was indeed released by our seemingly Fallen Hero of Kannabi Bridge, Uchiha Obito and it was successfully stopped by Our Fourth Hokage at the expense of his own life. Itachi murdered his own clan members to stop the Coup and worked for the Akatsuki to protect our Village from inside” 

[[Yes, the mastermind behind the Kyuubi incident should also be revealed,,, because that’s when all the problems started]]

If this news was revealed to the Public..... How do you think the villagers will react??????

They will ask a series of Questions.... But Before that.... I would love to throw in few facts.....

Every Hokages were revered and adored by the Villagers.... Especially Hiruzen. It was even mentioned in the Data book... “In the History of Konoha, no Hokage is as beloved by the people as Hiruzen”

Well.... You and I may hate Hiruzen.... But everyone loved him in that Village... Naruto loved him.... Kakashi loved him... Sasuke’s Father included...

Why would Fugaku name his Son after Third Hokage’s Father’s name???? Before the Kyuubi incident, Hiruzen was unanimously beloved by everyone.... Uchiha Members included. 

Now back to the Topic.... 

If UCM incident was revealed to the Public..... The Villagers will pose a series of Questions!!!! And their questions would go like this:

1. We all respected and considered Uchihas as the Prestigious clan of Konoha.. But Just to take over the Village, they decided to abduct our Sandaime and subjugate all of us..... Have they ever considered us as their Comrades????? Is this how they respect us, for all the respect we have shown to them???

2. I belong to Nara Clan....  We specialize in making Medicine... I belong to Yamanaka Clan.... We specialize in selling Flowers and handling Sensory system of Konoha.... I belong to Akimichi Clan.... We specialize in selling Food Products... I belong to Hyuga, another Prestigious Clan of Konoha.... We don’t hold any special position in this village....And Yet Uchiha Clan was given the Military Police Force.... A Military Power inside a Military Village... And yet they try to take over the Village with that very power they have Given??? None of our clan members were in The Hokage Council or none of our Clan members became an Hokage.... And yet we never tried to kidnap our Hokage or plan to perform Coup detat... Why should Uchiha Clan be superior for all of us???? Aren’t we all equal??? Or How are we lesser than Uchiha clan in any way???

3. They even decided to kidnap our Sandaime Hokage???????

4. So Kyuubi was released by another Uchiha???? 

5. And during that Kyuubi incident, I lost my Husband..... I lost my Child.... I lost my Wife.... So, behind all of this.... there is an Uchiha???

6. And in that Kyuubi incident, We all lost our Beloved Yondaime Hokage!!!

7. So Danzo and Itachi decided to protect our Village from this Coup Detat????

8. Itachi must be a Great Hero. Danzo must be a benevolent man... (Fuck!!)

9. So Sasuke killed both Danzo and Itachi, who tried to protect this village.... And decided to join Akatsuki along with Madara who released Kyuubi 16 years ago.... Sasuke must be planning to revive the Uchiha Clan by taking over the Village. 

10. What was Sasuke planning to do with Obito, a guy who released Kyuubi and also started this World war???

So..... This is how the conversation will go.... 

There is no valid proof that Konoha or Sasuke can provide to prove that Kyuubi incident has nothing to do with the Uchiha Clan..... Because years later, Uchiha Clan planned to do what Obito wanted to do... That is to create a chaos in the Village... And after many years Sasuke joined Akatsuki which was started by that very Obito.... 

And in the End.... Sasuke would be branded as the Traitor of the Village, even though he had a change of heart and Uchiha Clan will be resented by the Villagers forever. 

Is this what Anti-Konoha Stans want???? To make Sasuke’s life even more unbearable????

I have showed you from above panels, how the Villagers are very possessive about their Home .... No matter what, the Villagers would resent anyone who betray their Village. 

Just like how they 

How will the UCM revelation alone would bring justice to that clan???? It would instead muddy their name and Sasuke would be resented like a piece of Shit... How will the Villagers perceive a Clan who once decided to perform Coup Detat by subjugating all the other clans????? Especially those villagers treated that Clan with utmost respect!!!! This Political Discrimination sob story would only be laughed out by everyone alike because of the Point 2, I mentioned above. They would simply ask, “You guys are so powerful by holding the Law Enforcement Position and yet you want more power by abducting our Hokage???”

Let me repeat the panel which I mentioned above.... 

If only Naruto said the truth here..... Do you know what Kiba will ask him??? 

-

-

-

-

“So the Uchiha Clan was planning a coup......”

This is the first question that Kiba will ask him, “So they were planning to take over the village???”.... Even Naruto himself knows that Coup detat was wrong and that’s why Itachi shuts him off just like how Kakashi shuts Naruto off in the previous panel ....

Kiba and others won’t be sympathizing with Uchiha Clan or Sasuke. Plus they will ask all the questions I’ve mentioned above which will create another big mess...

If you want another perspective,

Let me put it this way.... 

Just because Naruto housed Kyuubi inside him, the villagers mistreated him a lot because they also suffered from the monster he carried inside him.... 

If only the real mastermind behind the Kyuubi incident was revealed, What do the villagers think about the Uchiha Clan as a whole??? Are they going to say, “Just because one Uchiha did it, it’s pointless to blame the entire clan” thingy and daintily wipe Sasuke’s tears????.... Well, it may look pointless to blame the entire clan..... for the people who sip cold coffee and watch this series from their Couch... But the characters inside the series will never think in that way. 

This following panel proves the entire point... This scene happens right before the Gaara speech about re-uniting and fighting together for the 4th shinobi world war.

“Hell yeah.... I do.... You sand bastards killed my father, I got no problem taking one of you out!”

This dude is angry because some Sand shinobi killed his father. But Instead of pointing the one who killed his dad, he is starting to blame the entire village for his pain. And this is how people will be like everywhere, Konoha people included. Sasuke also.

Even Sasuke knew that the Elders were the only culprits behind that thing.... But still he blamed the ENTIRE VILLAGE and wanted to destroy it as a whole. 

Why couldn’t those apologists ask the same question to Sasuke, “Oii, Sasuke.... Just because 3 Old crows did a mistake how could you blame the entire village full of innocents?”

Oh!!! They clearly won’t ask this kind of logical question when it comes to their favourite character. All their logics are applicable only to Konoha.

Well, I have one more example....

This is Nagato’s flashback where he talked about how they met Jiraiya.

The very first remark Nagato makes here is, “I couldn’t get past the fact that they were Konoha Ninjas”... 

And it’s totally understandable.... Because some random Konoha Ninjas actually killed his parents and hence Nagato has a prejudice towards them and he couldn’t trust Jiraiya easily. 

And very later, he lost Yahiko because of the betrayal from Hanzo and Danzo... (this limpdick!!).... Now Nagato totally hates Konoha and that’s why he destroyed it to get justice for his loss even though he knew Naruto was not in the Village. 

Why couldn’t Nagato understand that not all Konoha Ninjas are bad???

If Nagato could meet a person like Jiraiya from Konoha.... Why couldn’t he rationalize his thought that just because of few bad people, it’s pointless to blame the Entire Konoha for it????

If Nagato and Sasuke both wanted to direct their Hatred & Vengeance towards an Entire Village for the mistake done by 2 or 3 people..... Then how would the Villagers alone would take this UCM revelation where Obito and Uchiha Clan wanted to harm the Village and Sasuke (an Uchiha) being the accomplice to Obito????? Will the Villagers really separate each and every incident to say, “Just because Obito did wrong, it’s a crime to blame the entire clan.... Our Hokage was wrong and the Uchiha clan were right to Subjugate us and Sasuke somehow, magically has no connection with Obito”????

Won’t they show their Entire Hatred & Vengeance towards Uchiha Clan & Sasuke???

Even if the villagers could forgive the Kyuubi incident.... How could they forgive Sasuke for joining Akatsuki, an organization started by Obito, the Uchiha who was responsible for starting the World War which killed thousands and thousands of lives??? Added to that, Uchiha Clan indeed planned to perform Coup detat by subjugating the village!!!! Add Madara, another Uchiha into the mix who pulled this Infinite Tsukuyomi bullshit...

I seriously wonder, how could this revelation brings Justice to the Uchiha Clan or to Sasuke???

It’s precisely for this reason...

Itachi asked Naruto to keep quiet about this matter... 

“Then make sure you keep it that way!!! At least that way, the Uchiha Name’s reputation can be preserved.”

Everything was very clear here.... And Here’s the Closure about Uchiha Clan Massacre Revelation.

Yes, By revealing this tragedy, Itachi’s name will be cleared.... But Danzo, that fucking Asshole will be seen as some Benevolent Man... I am damn sure, Itachi would gladly live 1000 miserable lives by eating ashes than making that piece of shit into a Hero. Plus, The Reputation of the Uchiha Clan will be unanimously thrown into the drain. 

Thanks to this Revelation!!!

Even in Gaiden, A material written by Kishimoto, has this Uchiha Reputation. Because the Villagers don’t know anything about this Coup Detat and stuffs... Otherwise no one would treat this Girl or Sasuke with any respect.

It’s precisely for these reasons UCM cannot be revealed to the Villagers because it would only hurt back Sasuke in the worst way possible. He & Itachi had already suffered a lot because of the Selfish Ambitions of their Own Clan.

Sasuke had nothing to do with Kyuubi Incident...

Sasuke had nothing to do with Uchiha Clan’s Coup detat....

Sasuke had nothing to do with Obito or Madara’s Moon Plan...

Do they really want Sasuke to suffer so much for something he has nothing to do with in the first place, by opening this can of worms again????

I definitely don’t. 

My Point is, no matter what, Uchiha Clan contributed a lot for Konoha from the time the village was formed. People loved them and respected them. Instead of dirtying their name by revealing their wrong-doings after their eventual death, I want their respect to be preserved atleast. 

This Anti-Konoha/Sasuke stans’ version of ‘Uchiha Clan Massacre Justice’ would only bring more harm and pain to the Last Survivor which nobody wants to. 

Well, those Anti-Konoha/Sasuke stans can claim that Revealing this Tragedy would bring them justice. But if you ask them to provide panels & patterns that were previously established inside the Storytelling of Narutoverse (like I did above) which could support their Narrative.... You won’t be finding anything.... Because there is none and all you could find was some angry lengthy post with some big words like Oppression, Fascism, Racism, Genocide but without any panel evidence.

Talking and spouting some angry bull shit without providing any evidence is so easier, isn’t it????

I was feeling sort of lost after this revelation because what would Sasuke do now? No matter what he did he wouldn’t have anything, he wouldn’t have the village anymore

When I was binge-watching this series obsessively for the first time.... I pretty much knew this UCM is going to hurt Sasuke a lot.... I mean right after I finished watching the Part 1, 81st Episode. And When it was revealed.... I simply couldn’t handle it.... I took a week worth of break to get over it and then I started again. Such heart wrenching revelation it was!!!

But when you look at it carefully... Sasuke deep down knew that his clan was wrong (atleast a little bit) after the revelation by Obito and his entire vengeance & hatred was all about Itachi and his pain ... 

Otherwise why would he join the very person who helped Itachi slaughter his own clan??? Especially Sasuke vowed to kill him after his battle with Itachi???

“Once I’m through with you... I will kill him (Obito) next...”

The thing is, if Sasuke was really trying to take revenge to bring justice to his Clan, then the very first person he should’ve killed is Obito. Because Obito himself agreed that, he wanted to rekindle the War and wanted to take revenge on Uchiha Clan.

[[Surprisingly, those Sasuke stans would never question this behaviour of Sasuke... Like, “Why the hell Sasuke is lounging around with Obito, even though he admitted that he slaughtered Uchiha Clan for his own revenge unlike Itachi who had no option to?”.... 

Oh, they won’t.... because talking with Canon Logic only applies to Konoha.... But not for their fav character]] 

Apparently, his stans will never ask these kind of questions.... But Sasuke did.... Otherwise he wouldn’t have asked these...

“Madara was behind the Kyuubi’s attack on Konoha 16 years ago... Sadly, he was stopped again, this time by the Fourth Hokage...” Itachi to Sasuke.

Itachi dropped this information to Sasuke because he hoped that Sasuke would kill him and bring justice to his Clan...

So, Sasuke knew that Obito was the one who released Kyuubi and framed Uchiha... 

But the moment Obito started to talk in detail about Itachi’s sacrifice.... Sasuke just conveniently ignored these facts. Because by ignoring the truth it gives him more reasons to completely hate the Village by conveniently lying to himself that whatever he was doing was right. 

This “lying to oneself” is the very thing Itachi taught Sasuke & Kabuto after he came back from the Edo Tensei.

“First... You should have acknowledged your real self... That way you wouldn’t have had to tell lies... Not even to yourself...”

This is a self-reflected thought about Itachi.... Back then he thought that he successfully stopped the war by massacring the clan, lying to Sasuke and joining Akatsuki.... He did all these to protect the village... He believed he was powerful enough and he could do it alone. 

But at the end of the day, Itachi’s actions drove Sasuke into a hate filled person who kidnapped Killer Bee... and that started the Kage Summit.... and in turn Sasuke’s actions officially started the Shinobi World War.... All the while Sasuke decided to destroy the Village. Itachi stopped a war and protected the village by lying to Sasuke.... And that very lie created another World War and a threat to the Village in the form of Sasuke. So, Itachi failed ultimately.... 

Similarly, Sasuke also knew that somewhere his clan went wrong... He knew that Obito released the Kyuubi which was the reason behind every misfortune that had happened to him later.... And he was completely aware that killing innocent people was also wrong... Because he was a person who couldn’t kill 1000 Ninjas for training purpose when Orochimaru asked him to.... He even got repulsed when Orochimaru was experimenting on people for fun.... Sasuke is just that kind of person.

It’s just that he simply couldn’t acknowledge it. Because if he accept the Truth about his own clan’s wrong doings, that will never make him hate Konoha entirely. But the true thing is that he couldn’t completely hate Konoha which is why he verified his resolve to destroy that Village many times... as I’ve explained in this post... [Link]

It’s very clear that Obito was making use of Sasuke’s hatred to his own benefit. And Sasuke couldn’t handle the reality which was shown by Obito and he couldn’t tolerate the pain Itachi went through to preserve the peace and he simply wanted to inflict the pain on Konoha for making his Beloved Brother to die suffering a lot by bearing the name of a Traitor. Sasuke was neither doing it for his clan nor for his parents. If he was doing it for his Clan or his dead parents, he must have Killed Obito and then tried to have his vengeance on Konoha.

You may slander me for saying this but that’s the truth. And these following panels are the evident for it. 

First of all, Sasuke never had any big attachment to his own Clan... He didn’t have any friends from his clan or any happy memories or anything. It was entirely about Itachi.... and his parents also played a very minimal role in his life.

Tell me, After the revelation, Did Sasuke ever thought about any fond memories he had with his Mom and Dad???? Yeah, You may’ve found them in 1 or 2 panels in the background. But he had Chapters and Chapters of Good Memories he shared with Itachi.

Itachi says, “We’ll both be really busy from now on...”

To which Sasuke says, “That’s Okay.... Just as long as we can be together sometimes....”

If Sasuke was really doing this for his Clan, why did he only think about the happy memories he shared with Itachi???? 

Added to that,

There were only two times, Sasuke mentioned that he was doing this for his Clan and his Parents..... 

The above one is from when he was in Madara Hideout.

This one was from Under the Bridge. There is another panel in the same scene where he maniacally laugh about how he was going to kill every last person in Konoha and by doing that he will revive his clan... I didn’t add it because he really turned mad while saying it. 

And can I say..... THAT’S ALLL!!!!!?????

Whereas he mentioned Itachi’s life many times...

“I have no intention of protecting the “peaceful” world that sacrificed him (Itachi).”

So he knew that his clan massacre brought the Peace.... And yet he wants to destroy it???

“His life meant more to me than the village”

“They are all laughing it up.... At the cost of Itachi’s life!”

Well... Why is he mentioning Itachi’s life rather than his parents’ or 100′s of clan members who were slaughtered????

“The more I’m able to understand you.... the more I’m able to hate Konoha for the suffering they put you through... In fact, it’s becoming even stronger than it was before”

It’s totally funny that Sasuke is acknowledging the fact that, “It’s probably because you’re my older brother that you feel the need to put me on the right path...”.... So, Sasuke clearly knew that he is traversing on the wrong path....

“He did it.... For these people.... For people that just labeled him a traitor....”

This line screams Sasuke was more worried about people slandering Itachi without knowing the price he paid for it.... rather than worrying about the justice for his clan.

Not only Sasuke.... Other people like Naruto and Kabuto, also acknowledge the same thing.... That Sasuke was doing all of this for Itachi.... 

And finally this,

“I was supposed to die!! You were supposed to kill me along with our parents”

Tell me, instead of asking, “Why did you kill our parents or why did you betray our clan?”.... Why is Sasuke asking the reason for letting him alive?... So, he did knew that his clan’s coup detat was wrong and that Sasuke should have died....

And this is the last....

“He’s different from you!!!! You were perfect!!!”

How can Sasuke call Itachi as Perfect after massacring his own clan & killing his own parents????

In 5 instances, Sasuke talked about Itachi’s pain and sufferings.... Other characters like Kabuto and Naruto also acknowledges this fact.... Plus, Sasuke willingly joined Obito, the man who slaughtered his Clan and was responsible for his clan’s eventual downfall...... And Sasuke referenced his parents and his Clan just twice...... 

And do you really think Sasuke was doing all these for the justice for his Clan???? 

I’ll be blunt here, Sasuke was using his Clan’s name as the excuse but in reality he was doing this for Itachi..... 

Just like how Sasuke left Naruto alive in VoTE1 and convinced himself that he left him alive because he didn’t want to follow Itachi’s path.... 

When in reality, Sasuke really couldn’t kill him. 

In Short, Sasuke’s feelings were all about him being fuming inside and engulfed with Hatred and Pain whereas people in Konoha were laughing and enjoying the Peace at the cost of Itachi’s life. 

Am not saying, Sasuke completely accepted that his clan was wrong.... But atleast he was not a fool enough to justify at any point that Uchiha clan was Right about organizing the Coup detat. And rather than for the sake of his own clan or his parents, he mostly wanted to take Revenge on Konoha for Itachi’s pain and sufferings.

This is very clear from all the above panels.

And after seeing Itachi’s memories, He clearly understood something was definitely wrong with his clan. Because, he saw Shisui and came to an understanding that...

Itachi didn’t kill his own friend as he claimed.... 

Shisui committed suicide to protect the village as well as the UCHIHA’S NAME.... 

This shows that not only Itachi but there was another Uchiha who was also willing to give their life for the Village as well as for preserving the Clan’s name. And this is precisely why he went to the Hokages to know about Konoha.

“The feelings of a person who, even after getting his name sullied and dying, continue to think about his Village... and wanted to protect it...”

And after meeting the Hokages, he was very clear who was wrong, he understood Itachi’s feelings and that’s why he stopped wearing his clan colours in the end. 

What was Itachi’s feelings, by the way????

“Obsessing over worthless things like the Clan.... You lose sight of what’s truly important...”

Itachi always wanted to be the part of a whole rather than restraining himself to a Clan. And that’s why he was lashing out at his clan members to stop obsessing over worthless things like the clan. 

“They could transcend the framework of clan and devote themselves to the village...”

And when he find that Itachi’s words and ideals were very similar to the Hokages.... Sasuke accepting Konoha is not something strange. 

He even used the same words of those Hokages in VoTE2 and acknowledges that he understood Itachi’s feelings....

“Village is a Framework created to stop the slaughter of many clans and children....A Framework that was lead to peace.... Itachi was trying to sustain that peace all by himself... That’s what I came to understand....”

Since Sasuke realized the meaning behind the Creation of Konoha, the extent Itachi went so far to protect this Village, the wrong doings of his own Clan and his eventual acceptance of Itachi’s Will & Konoha, Sasuke decided to not wear his Clan Colours anymore.... 

That’s because every time Itachi talks about Uchiha Clan’s arrogance and their history, Sasuke was there and listened to him!!! 

“The Clan!! The Clan!!.... You all fail to measure your own capacity.... And to see the depth of my capacity... And because of that you lie beaten here..... 

You hold onto the organization, your clan, your name.... These things limit us and our capacities.... These things deserve to be shunned... It is foolish to fear what we’ve yet to see and know!!”

“Of my capacity.... I’ve lost all hope for this pathetic clan...”

“Uchiha is just a name, it just refers to our roots and clan.... It doesn’t mean anything by itself...“

Just like every other characters in Narutoverse, Kabuto was also feeling jealous about Itachi’s belonging to the Uchiha Clan... But Itachi immediately shuts him off by saying, “We are not that special or anything that you imagine us to be.... It’s after all a name and we are just a clan...”

This is called Being Humble and Modest despite having enormous power. This is what Itachi always wanted and expected from his Clan Members... But Instead of being Humble, they got Arrogant because they thought they are better than everyone because of their Superior powers and ended up getting destroyed ultimately. 

You might have noticed Sasuke, for the most part of the series, took pride in pronouncing his Clan’s name before Lee, Orochimaru and Naruto... even though it’s a burden and he had to work hard to keep that Name. But in the end, he just became humble by keeping his Clan’s name in his Memory, a symbolic representation of removing that Burden that comes with his Clan’s name and truly became a part of the Whole. Just like how Itachi had always wanted to be. 

Konoha is a village which is Good for the most part and it has it’s darker, rotten and ugly side in the name of ROOT. And the problems inside the Village is something that exists in every village. 

The Author’s intention is to show Konoha with some realistic flaws pertaining to the Ninja World.... And the Characters inside the world want to change it into an even Better Place to live even though they suffered a lot just like Naruto and Kakashi... 

People actually ignored, feared and discriminated Naruto for a reason.... Naruto had every reason to throw his hatred at them.... And those Villagers had every reason to be afraid of Naruto.... But Naruto instead of lashing out at the Villagers, he remained patient.... He found people who can love him.... Slowly and Steadily, Naruto showed that he is capable, harmless and made all the villagers to acknowledge him... 

Similarly, Kakashi’s father was slandered for prioritizing his comrades rather than blindly following the rules. That made his father to commit suicide. Instead of Kakashi going crazy on the villagers, he endured, remained patient, he became a sensei and passed on his Father’s Ideals, that is... TO PRIORITIZE THE COMRADES.... to the Next Generation (Team 7) and he became an Hokage. 

But contrary to Naruto and Kakashi.... Uchiha Clan was praised and celebrated unanimously by every villagers... They were given the Law Enforcement Position which is a Superior Shinobi position the village could offer... Due to the Kyuubi Incident, Uchiha Clan was marginalized by the Government.... Not the Villagers. But unlike Naruto and Kakashi, Uchiha Clan.....Instead of being patient and then find the culprit behind the Kyuubi incident... and show the Government that they have no ill-will...  They let the People’s Reverence get into their head, they thought they were better than everyone, went arrogant and decided to subjugate everyone with their superior powers.

If Naruto, a single person could fight all the Hatred thrown at him by 1000′s of Villagers, by himself.... Why not Uchiha Clan, a group of few 100 people, who was just hated by 3 officials???? If Naruto can do it alone then Uchiha Clan could’ve easily did something... But they didn’t.... [[This doesn’t mean I am supporting those Higher-Ups... Especially Danzo... Because he was such an opportunistic Bastard]]

If Only Uchiha Clan were little bit humble and faced this Hatred with some patience, they would’ve remained true to their Name, that is, The Prestigious Clan of Konoha. They might have produced a best Hokage in the form of Itachi or Sasuke. Instead they tried to lash out their Arrogance towards the people and ended up getting destroyed.

This series is not justifying the Massacre in any way.

It’s only pointing out the futility of the Prestigious Uchiha Clan’s Arrogant, Vengeful and Selfish ambition which led them to their own destruction... If only they had a little bit of patience... Sasuke would’ve had a happy childhood in Konoha just like he was in his Flashbacks. 

Instead of being Arrogant, Selfish and full of Hatred.... Try to be Humble, Understanding, Forgiving and face Hatred with Love... This is the message, this series tells us.

So, to finish off this post....

Konoha people might or might not know about the mastermind behind Kyuubi Incident. But Revealing the UCM will definitely won’t end well for the Reputation of Uchiha Clan... 

It would only hurt Sasuke in the worst way possible... Especially he has nothing to do with any of his Clan Member’s mistakes. 

At the end of the day, the Survivor of the Clan has the only right to decide what to do.... Itachi conveyed his wish to Naruto.... If Sasuke really wanted this to be revealed, he would’ve asked Naruto or Kakashi... 

From the beginning, Sasuke never had any attachment to his Clan... His entire world revolved around Itachi and his wish to destroy Konoha was mostly for the pain his Brother was forced to suffer...  All the while, Sasuke was really fighting his feelings to destroy Konoha in many places.

And when the Same brother, even after his death wanted to protect the Village that hurt him a lot.... Sasuke did the right thing to make an effort to understand his brother’s feelings. 

He finally understood Itachi’s feelings and stopped wearing his clan colours.

To me, Sasuke is the truest Shinobi than Naruto ever was.... by transcending the framework of a clan... The shinobi who understood the true meaning behind Konoha was an Uchiha... 

And Can I say Sasuke is more of an Hokage than Naruto in this aspect??? Just like how every other Hokages stopped wearing their Clan Colours while Naruto was seen wearing it.

[cielobrioche]

Why I like Sakumo x Orochimaru

I just looked up Sakumo x Orochimaru for the first time here on Tumblr despite me reading every single SakuOro fic there ever was, and apparently people don’t like it? I mean, I suppose at first, I was skeptical as well, like? How would that even happen? They didn’t even interact with one another. But then I eventually fell in love with the ship, probably because I like Orochimaru lol.

So first, let me talk about what I like about Orochimaru, or at least the Orochimaru that exists in my mind. I am under the impression, from the flashbacks, that Orochimaru wasn’t all that bad back when the Sannin was still complete. Jiraiya and Tsunade were there for him and made sure to keep him in the light. As we see during the time when he offered to kill off the three orphans. To me, that shows that Orochimaru was morally gray even before, but I don’t think he was malicious during that scenario. Think of it this way, they were orphans in a war-stricken place in a shinobi world, they would steal for food and they’d be able to survive, but time will come where they’d be caught and killed or taken and sold. Either way, had Jiraiya not stayed with them, they were going to suffer regardless. So, in my eyes, Orochimaru believed he was being helpful. (Or maybe I try to look too much for a good side in people lol I’m working on it I swear)

Then Jiraiya stayed behind with the orphans. Then Tsunade left. Then Sarutobi was busy with his Hokage duties, and we all know Orochimaru wouldn’t run to him for help anyway. And suddenly, Orochimaru was all alone in a village that barely tolerated him. Because the villagers didn’t really like Orochimaru like how they adored his two other teammates – who left the village in wartime might I add! Furthermore, he was also grieving because I assume that Nawaki was his student since he was with him on the mission that eventually killed him and his teammates. 

He was isolated and grieving without his two anchors. He was already morally gray even before all of this happened, so I see why he had ended up doing those horrible experiments. He started becoming obsessed with eternal life back when his parents died, now with his genin team dead and his teammates leaving him, I can see how he’d end up the way he did. And I bet my entire arm that Danzo had a hand in how Orochimaru eventually started with the experiments. Who else would provide him with orphans to experiment in but that ugly, slimy, disgusting, war-hawk bastard? Don’t get me wrong, I’m not excusing Orochimaru’s experiments because those are horrible and he deserves death at least 100x, but also, what if he wasn’t alone and he had someone to keep him afloat before he even went down that road? That’s where Sakumo comes in.

We are all suckers for aloof morally gray men with golden retriever boyfriends! Admit it!! Okay maybe not all of us, but I bet a lot of us like that pairing! I adore those pairings aaaaa

I’m not incredibly certain regarding the timeline of when Sakumo died and when Orochimaru left, but let’s pretend that after Tsunade left Sakumo was still alive. What if Sakumo was there for Orochimaru when his teammates left him and his genin died? What if, in return, Orochimaru was there for him when the villagers were being stupid and hating on him for saving his team? What if they were there for each other before everything went bad? It’s all of those “what ifs” that makes the Sakumo x Orochimaru ship really attractive to me personally.

Side note: I also like how good of a parent Orochimaru is to Mitsuki and I want Kashi to have a nice childhood that’s all.

I’m not saying everyone should ship SakuOro because that’s silly, we all have different tastes and I know a lot of Naruto fans aren’t fond of Oro and that’s perfectly fine! I just wanted to give insight on why I, personally, like the ship. <3

[georgialawman]

heloooooo ty for all ur comments! Ver appreciate

I’m not quite sure what to do with obito yet, he’s alive and doing… something. I’m just not sure what. Probably trying to find a way to melt kuro zetsu.. rin being a jinchuriki isn’t great for the infinite tsukuyomi so. Obitos (&ME) got some thinking to do…

Minato is in ninja heaven with kushina, dancing it up until the konoha crush arc so they can konoha crush hiruzen for neglecting their son lol. Kakashi is permanently thirteen and three quarters while stuck up in the sky watching everyone be STUPID AS FUCK (mostly obito but rins not exactly off the hook either) so he’s not having fun. ummm if I ever wanted to do like a kakashi cut away thing it’d probably be dramatic kakashi walks across the lands of the dead looking for his dad because he was lonely and tired of his friends being idiots. that would be sad. In canon the afterlife sakumo meet, at least kakashi got to grow up, but here it would just get really sad. kakashi finds his way back to watching and waiting for obito and rin though.

Rin and Tenzo definitely go out for dango and drinks!!! sometimes by themselves, but usually with others. rin will drag tenzo to social meets. rin and tenzo hang out a lot— usually they go out for dinner together because neither of them can cook. every day they have off turns into hatake compound upkeep days where they’ll work all day and then just get some good dinner and go pass out somewhere. I’m sure at some point they stumble upon kakashi’s cooking books and go “oh I should read those—“ and then they don’t. But maybe they will. Eventually…

I don’t think rin is particularly a fan of hiruzen. she heeds his orders and everything but if she could throw a rock at him with no consequences she probably would… especially because she was put on Naruto training duty but hiruzen Won’t Let Her actually train Naruto. she was sent onto the hiruzen assassination mission like kakashi in canon— she did the same thing kakashi does but ohhh sometimes… sometimes she’s like why did I do that…. But then it’s like well then I’d have to deal with danzo which would be worse…. Sigh….. like… in comparison to the hokage minato could have been…. How could she ever Like hiruzen? ater konoha crush and tsunade comes along, she gets along with tsunade better. Because. Tsunade actually works with her. Ummm I haven’t decided yet if I’m going with my Big Rin Lore that I thought up some….. if I did tsunade and rin actually have this weird thing… rin has no problem with tsunade but tsunade just feels kinda bad for rin. They get along but they’re awkward to watch interacting.

I’d be happy to answer any more questions :3

I think I’ve rin sensei’d too close to the sun.

despite coming off as a much more “normal” and kind person than kakashi in canon, sensei rin is about the same really. on the outside/with her initial introduction she’s kinder certainly but she’s just as brutal with her testing and expectations. rin hasn’t dealt with kids ever in her life unless ur counting when she was a kid dealing with other kids. she’s been anbu since she was fourteen, and she’s only off the anbu hook now so she can deal with teach the village’s junior jinchuriki and the genin team he’s on (for convenience.) she’s had no time to chill out or anything. She’s brutual genjutsu’ing sakura like kakashi in canon. if she’s not actually doing worse. Naruto swinging his arms around like crazy: “this is a good way to break ur arm ^_^ do u wanna break ur arm?” and like. She’s like the only jounin sensei with any kind of med nin knowledge Which she’s upfront about but instead of using it to be like “dw I can heal u any time whenever ^_^” with little scratches like a stereotype she’s back to the “break your arm” thing. she doesn’t even have to take you to the hospital! she can fix the arm she just broke! convenient huh?

she’s a nightmare.

shes even more ominous than kakashi in canon. kk in canon is “I’m not telling you about me” at the start, he’s always been Like That— but rin goes “oh I like reading, and I like the seeea, I also enjoy going out for nice dinner.” pretending like she’s a normal person and so it’s more jarring when she starts tweaking a little. she also talks to trees? very odd. Wonder why she does that. she also knows the anbu. she calls one of them “kitty.” the kids don’t get her at all.

Land of waves and zabuza is fun. she’s not known like kk in canon, as a jinchuriki she’s very Under Wraps (and I also like. Abiding. By what the freaking anbu shouldve been.) right out the gate in canon land of waves, zabuza is like ouhhh it’s the copy nin our battle shall be legendary! but rin it’s like okay. some girl. Yeah let’s fight or whatever. and eventually she gets her recognition by being sanbi jinchuriki. yknow. the sanbi that’s a turtle that she got from the mist while she’s fighting a rouge mist nin. zabuza is like omg… the lost jinchuriki…. Rin can’t copy paste mind game zabuza like kk in canon, but yknow. She’s jinchuriki of The Turtle so she’s got suiton to rival zabuza’s and it goes about the way in canon where she beats him to where haku has to step in.

She similarly crashes out like kakashi due to having a.. not great seal. Like Naruto’s seal in canon is balanced in. Whatever way that I don’t currently remember— but rin’s is not. her seal was made to be a bomb, while minato and kushina modified it so she could have some control it’s not great. so certain ways she uses the sanbi chakra can really fuck her over, and the way she used it to get a leg up over zabuza was one of those fucky ways.

rin doesn’t need a recovery period like kakashi. (she heals fast. Cool! Naruto does that too! Why is that? uhh idk about u Naruto but mine is because. Of an advanced med nin technique. Yeah.) but they still stick around bc rin knows zabuzas not really dead, and him knowing of her jinchuriki status is Bad so she’s gotta stay around until he comes back. which he hopefully does…. Blah blah blah land of waves my beloved…

Rin being pulled out of anbu to “teach” Naruto is so funny btw cuz like. She’s not really even doing any kind of jinchuriki training, she’s been told to “teach the team” while keeping an eye on naruto and being instructed to do the same kind of restraining techniques as kakashi in canon— “she has good odds against the Kyuubi because she’s Also a jinchuriki” (which is so funny. yeah yeah the unbalanced sealed sanbi has a chance against the fucking Kyuubi.) when she asks if she’ll do the thing she was told she’d be doing, any kind of actual “jinchuriki training” is pushed off for “when he’s actually ready.” (Like that’ll ever happen. Like it matters if he’s ready or not. Rin wasn’t ready when she got stuck to the sanbi.)

At this point I don’t really remember what the anbu like. mystery status? Whatever?? was in og natuto. so like. The kids being like ???!?!?! that rin “knows” some anbu thing is up in the air. on one hand like. In shippuden anbu are much more everywhere but in the original i think it was different… aughh. My idea is that rin knowing some anbu is something that makes her more unsettling, especially because she seems awfully chummy. like there’s literally an anbu agent she calls kitty. KITTY.

On the second hand— do the kids even know/are they supposed to know about the anbu?? I don’t remember!!!

whatever!!!! In my head while the kids might be the lowest rank of ninja, they are still ninja so surely they’d know about the anbu. they’d have to as part of the rank. if we’re doing even more of an “in my head” thing. pre graduation the anbu are just a rumor, and if you graduate and get to be a ninja then well yeah u get to know about the ninja ranks. The anbu being a scary rumor keeps it’s tone though even after confirmation, so Rin knowing anbu is scary. (I think being anbu is something you’re Not supposed to talk about ? (For all that actually keeps true in canon…) so it’s not like she can be like “I was anbu until around last week lol” and scare the kids further. but it Would be funny.)

Rin reads porn like kakashi does, she just hides it under the cover of like a cheesy romance novel to not draw attention. she drinks, she smokes. she’s got vices, that girl.

There’s a joke where she tells off asuma for smoking in front of the kids, (rin is a med nin! smoking is bad, she should be a good example since she has to take care of kids now!) and asuma fucking 🤨’s her because they were chainsmoking last week but overall says nothing. Keep your “good” image rin. Whatever.

Now if we want to get into the team minato of it all—— I’ll start with saying rin has kakashis summoning scroll. when kakashi dies instead of rin, there’s no family to take it so rin does. with that she’s kinda got like the key to the hatake compound, as small as it is. for a while she doesn’t do anything with it because what the heck is she gonna do? but eventually (probably under threat of its demolishment because it wasn’t being used) she decided to make a project out of cleaning it up and keeping it nice. that’s her one Good outlet. Tenzo helps. It’s their thing. she shows the kids at some point along in the timeline and the kids praise her gardening skills that totally wasn’t tenzo.

she can’t tell them who tenzo is— not for obvious “anbu reasons” but she can’t because she’s been caught talking to trees that she calls tenzo. it would make her look crazier.

Anyway this is mostly. Misc? Stuff? if I want to ramble more like “rin lore” or real team minato talkies those would do better by themselves probably. Whatever I stop yapping now.

[al-hekima-madara-blog]

Madara & Obito : awakening the Master of Chaos

I've always wanted to write a clever analysis about Madara and Obito relationship but I realise everytime I try, it slips away from me, I fail them. Talking about how Uchihas members interact with each others is like facing two mirrors, a never-ending illusion. And I can tell too this post is about to be under Obito's strong influence, because it's messier than usual. But considering the context it's fitting when talking about him and his chaotic mastermind ! Let's try to find some sense below !

I) Madara's presumed heir?

Even if we know, that Madara never wanted anyone in his back, or neither an official heir or disciple. there is few indication than Obito in a twisted way, was selected as his heir and the only one worthy of following his path.

From the databook we learn than the gunbai, a war fan symbol of the Uchiha, always belongs to an the leader, and should be passed down on his successor. But when Madara left the village, and presumably was destituted to his leadership, he never abandoned the gunbai. In his mind maybe, he was still the leader, or no one for him was capable of taking his place.

After Madara's natural death, Obito inherited his name, his identity and of course his belongings which included the gunbai. We never witnessed any Uchiha using it as weapon or symbol except Obito. And first move of Obito after realising that Madara escape Edo Tensei, is to give him back his gunbai. and in a way abandoning his heritage for realising his own objective.

II) What did Madara see in Obito ?

There is something about him that the entire Uchiha clan, Konoha village and the best shinobis of their time couldn't see about Obito but Madara can. Ok we know he said he chose him for his naive personality but that's not enough. Naivety don't qualify you to be one of the most dangerous skilled shinobi ever.

Let's just remember Obito's achievement after spending just few years under Madara's traumatizing internship :

able to destroy a whole Kiri ninja section on your own at 13 years old

reinventing still as a teenage Akatsuki into a world wide terrorist organisation

putting under a genjutsu for years the fourth Mizukage (not your average joe shinobi)

putting bijuus under a genjutsu,

Like Madara being able to summun Kyubi like your personal toy

best actor studio's skills, and playing Madara and Tobi for years

fighting around 15/16 years old as equal his ex-sensei Minato Namikaze, an actual Hokage (still not an average joe)

outsmarting extremely intelligent shinobis : Itachi, Sasuke, Danzo, Oroshimaru.

Slaughtering all by himself the strongest Uchiha fighters (except Fugaku)

Manipulating the 5 kages including Onoki who knew him personally (an other bunch of no-average joes) into believing that Madara is still alive.

Launching world war 4, alone.

Invoking Gedo statute as if it was a tiny pet, while Nagato is seen physically struggling to master it.

Controlling juubi as a jinshuriki, sure it take longer than Madara but it's still an achievement.

One can tell it's because of Hashirama's cells but we know from Oroshimaru's experiences on Yamato and plenty innocent children that being compatible with Hashirama is extremely rare and cause many deaths. So again Obito has an immense strength of his own that no one except Madara was able to exploit.

When you think about it, Obito is really that goofy guy undercover psychopath that you shouldn't invite at your family dinner or he'll succed to create a family civil war and make everyone believe that you are the sole responsible for the bloodshed.

III) What was Madara's plan and Obito's own agenda ?

Fight me if you want but Obito is a way more violent villain than Madara and by far. What's scary about Madara is both his illimited raw power and his inflexibility to accomplish his plan. If you are on his way he will crush you, if you're not he won't care about you anyway, if you can entertain him he will dance with you a little bit. But he never tortured for fun and only killed trained shinobis, never civilians. Everyone who encountered him had previously signed for the dangerous life of shinobi and if you feel uncomfortable by him using and killing Rin, ask yourself how come 13 years child soldiers including Obito and Kakashi were still a thing during the third Shinobi war while the whole concept of Konoha was to stop those practices ? Yes, send your complains to your Hokage. Only Nagato is a question mark, we don't know how both of them met, and how he end up with Madara's eyes. Did he save his life in a similar way he saved Obito's ? Did Nagato had some kind of eyes illness and need transplantation ? Or did Madara just ruthlessly pluck off eyes of a baby ? We really don't know. Only Black Zetsu is still alive, sealed in some dimension to answer this question.

Obito is a total different kind. He has an appetite for perversion and torture of both shinobis and innocents. And he did it not once but repeatedly. Even if he hid himself behind the idea that « this world doesn't matter anymore since Rin is gone », instead of urging himself to realise the Tsukuyomi's plan, he took the time to have some fun & revenge.

What was the necessity for him to launch Kyubi on Konoha resulting in a lot of civilians death ?

He felt no hesitation to play with Naruto's life, and kill both his sensei Minato and her wife who just gave birth.

What was the need for him to involve himself into Uchiha's massacre ?

If we admit that traumatizing Itachi by killing his teamate was a way for him to create future Mangakyo sharingan in case he is loosing his own sight. Why did he kept this huge collection of sharingan eyes, his own people, that will most likely make Danzo very jealous.

The cynical pleasure he took in Kiri. The village of the Bloody Mist , under the fourth mizukage was in fact his creation. In a way Obito who always dream to be an hokage had been de facto the actual Mizukage and he made of Kiri an extreme representation of what is actually a shinobi village : zero-tolerance policy against any dissent, the practice of pitting children graduates against each other in death matches, exploiting money from the weak. Resulting in revolts among kiri shinobi (Zabuza whole life and arc)

I think Madara's plan was more straight to the point than Obito : Collecting the Bijuu, befriend and control Nagato and resurrect him, lauching the tsukuyomi to the moon. While Obito very early showed that he will do the plan but in his own fashion.

Edo Madara was surprised to discover a new war but not anymore when understanding it was Obito's idea. He knew already Obito's taste for creating disorder. And black Zetsu from distance was able to update him on the situation post-resurrection. From annihilating the Uchiha clan, destroying economic system of shinobi through akastuki, destroying politically Kiri as a shinobi village, finally destroying the whole 5 villages through war.

In a way, Obito is a perfect Aquarius villain. A genius mind who made him unpredictable and dangerous, a keen understanding of the shinobi system and how to pervert it. A love for chaos. A detachment from emotion.

So to answer my own question : What Madara saw in Obito, he saw a perfect « disciple » because he was a perfect mix of him and(I think) his deceased brother. We can tell that Obito share in the beginning the same pure kindness toward those he loves and the will to protect them. But Obito is outgoing, fun, and deeply excentric which is far from Madara's stern personality. About Izuna we don't know much but that he has the exact birthday than Obito, 10th of february. And oh what a coincidence ! But Kishimoto never does anything randomly.

Having the same birthday doesn't automatically made you a clone but still, it gives you the same set of cards in life, the same energy to play in the world. And there is only one ninja that Madara knows in full details, from the character, the style and the potential skill not Hashirama, only one with whom he knows from cradle, he trained endlessly, fighted side by side and lead the clan as War Lord up to his 24 years old : Izuna Uchiha. Madara then most likely felt the same energy in Obito which made it easier for him to manipulate and train when it's someone that you feel so much familiarity. And lastly, Obito seems to be a direct descendant of Madara himself (which I doubt but who knows ?) or from Izuna (most likely). and it is known many side of abilities are hereditary. Apples doesn't fall far from the tree, right?

It's as well interesting to note that if Obito seems to look physically more like Madara and (by deduction) spiritually more like Izuna. Sasuke is the opposite. Spiritually close to Madara in character and through Indra's reincarnation, but physically a twin of Izuna.

And if you want to read more about my Madara’s analysis follow me in my main page here

[cooliogirl101]

if lily was reincarnated into the naruto world, how would that turn out?

Got another ask that was like, "what if both Hisana and Sayuri reincarnated in the Narutoverse" so I'm just gonna combine the two into "what if both Christina and Lily reincarnated into the Narutoverse."

I've always thought Lily/Sayuri shared quite a few similarities with Itachi, so...here you go. An AU in which Lily gets reincarnated as Itachi and Christina gets reincarnated as Sasuke.

The thing about canon!Itachi is that he was split between his duty to his village, his duty to his clan, and his love for his brother. He ended up deciding his clan was an inevitable sacrifice if he wanted to save his village and his brother, and well-- we all know how well that turned out.

Lily!Itachi, on the other hand, does not give a single flying fuck about Konoha, the Uchiha clan, or really anything except for the only person who's made her feel less alone since arriving in this godforsaken world. There's no dilemma, no conflict there, because Sasuke is the only thing that matters. So what happens is that she decides, you know what, I'm just gonna fake my and Sasuke's deaths and get the fuck out of this hellhole before shit really hits the fan. Konoha, Danzo, the Uchiha? They can eat each other alive for all she cares.

"Lily," Christina said, a little helplessly. "Lily, maybe we should talk about this."

She spoke in English, the way she always did when they were alone. One of the most widely spoken languages in their previous life reduced to a secret code between them alone.

Lily hummed, giving her a small smile.

"What's there to talk about?" She asked.

"I mean." Christina paused delicately. "We did just fake our deaths and defect from the village. That's a pretty major event."

She looked at Lily.

"You bought us a little time, but sooner or later, they're going to realize that we didn't actually die. You realize that, right?"

"What are you saying?" Lily asked.

"What I'm saying is that maybe we should make ourselves a little less recognizable." She smiled, eyes bright. "They're going to be looking for two brothers. Not two sisters."

Lily's breath caught.

"Are you really able to--?"

"There's not much I'm not able to do, with chakra," Christina laughed. "Granted, it'll take a bit of time, but to start...how do you feel about the names Isane and Shion?"

~~

Honestly their 'fake our own deaths and transform ourselves so completely no one will ever be able to recognize us and then proceed to lay low/live a quiet peaceful life away from any ninja bullshit' plan would've worked, had it not been for the fact that Christina/Sasuke/Shion was completely unable to stay away from any bullshit happening at any given time.

"Please tell me how in our attempt to become boring, unremarkable civilian figures unworthy of any shinobi attention, we ended up becoming vigilante heroes roaming the countryside dispensing justice everywhere we go instead," Isane said dryly.

"Oh, come on," Shion huffed. "You can't tell me that you didn't enjoy bashing that Gatou asshole's head in."

"That's not the point, the point is--"

"The point is that for the first time since entering this life, I'm seeing you smile and have fun," Shion interrupted. "And if that means attracting a bit of attention? Well, I'm willing to take that risk."

(It's interesting thinking about what their interactions would be like, I don't write them together that often. Comments welcome!)

[3am-writes]

Gaara thinks

howdy y’all :) my first real post aaaaaaa pls lmk what y’all think!!

context: unspecified soulmate au in which itachi didn’t do the massacre (danzo did; it was stopped before he finished), shisui lives, sasuke’s orochimaru time was a 7 year long mission (assigned by fifth hokage itachi), everyone is HAPPY and GOOD, and the trio’s like. 21-22 ish

word count: 1704 pairings: sasunarugaa (sasunaru, narugaa, sasugaa), vague shiita rating: like upper end pg-13??? idk dude

          Ever the quiet, thoughtful type, Gaara spends much of his free time thinking. Observing. It’s hard not to; his soulmates thrive on and live for his attention, when they can get it. He thinks they’re the greatest thing that’s ever happened to him. Neither of them are quite perfect, but they complement each other, and they love him wholly, and that’s quite enough.

           Gaara thinks Naruto is like the sun, casting a sweet, summery warmth over an appreciative sand with his blinding smile, unmatched energy, and optimism. Ramen suits him, honestly. It’s filling, warm, and the noodles take on the flavor of one’s chosen broth so nicely, bringing the dish together seamlessly. Naruto would make a wonderful diplomat. He will be a good Hokage, even if Shikamaru thinks he takes challenges too personally; even if he can’t sit and focus on a mission report to save his life (Sasuke is a perfect interpreter for his Naru’s fantastic tactical memory).            For someone who hadn’t known a pure, loving human interaction until he was well into his Academy years, Naruto can’t seem to figure out how not to treat a person lovingly. He is an ever-burning furnace of goodness and kindness and light, despite understanding some of humanity’s darkest aspects– things that he knew he could reflect, and chose not to. Naruto Uzumaki, in Gaara’s opinion, has every right to burn Konohagakure to the ground. Sometimes, he still doesn’t understand why Naruto doesn’t do so, until Naruto gives him the simplest, “What good would that do?” None, he understands. It wouldn’t bring Naruto any more peace than he has found in his work as a shinobi. One of Konoha’s finest, he knows. He takes such pride in his achievements, as he should. Gaara knows, firsthand, the adversity Naruto has had to overcome to find himself in his current position.            Naruto was his first love. Naruto’s talent for understanding people on such an intimate level, combined with his sparkling blue eyes and sweet whiskers, made it all too simple for Gaara to succumb to the charm that he’s still sure Naruto didn’t know he had. Even with years of traveling and changing lives on his resume, Naruto can’t acknowledge that he has accumulated a bit of an international fan club. It’s a shame, really; Naruto deserves to know that he’s appreciated. He deserves a place among the soulmates he puts on such a pedestal: Sabaku no Gaara, the youngest Kazekage in history; and Sasuke Uchiha, the man who spent his formative years as legendary Sannin Orochimaru’s right-hand man in order to funnel information out of Otogakure and sabotage the efforts of his temporary leader to destroy his former home. Gaara thinks Naruto ought to give himself some more credit– not only for accomplishing great things on his own, but for being a warm, attractive flame for his soulmates to gravitate toward. Naruto is far from down-to-earth, but he and his amazing wisdom are a tangible anchor for an overthinking Gaara, and a hot-headed Sasuke (even if, sometimes, their flames feed off each other).            Despite his warmth, Naruto isn’t the timeless romantic that an overly bookish, romance-adoring preteen Gaara thought he would want in a soulmate, should he have one. Naruto is brash, and loud, and confident, and has a tendency to take up the entire bed if no one joins him before he falls asleep. Naruto is too reactive for undercover work, has been banned from three different libraries due to an inability to whisper, and can shut down a ramen stand with his appetite. Naruto is also, however, one of the most gentle humans Gaara has ever met (rivaled only by their mutual soulmate). Naru, his Naru, greets him with sweet kisses - hands guiding his gaze upward with a tender cup of his cheeks, one thumb tracing the curve of his lower lip, stopping just past the corner only when he leans in to replace the touch with his lips - and hasn’t forced a single square inch of his body to know the displeasure that is never having been kissed by Naruto Uzumaki. Naru is so easily excitable, too. There’s no guesswork involved in the half-shouted, surprised moan that Sasuke’s startling grab of his hips and nip at his neck elicits, and Gaara finds it refreshing to be able to know, without a doubt, that Naruto is happy and fulfilled. He writes his emotions on his face in a jarring neon, and when that billboard screams, from the tallest rooftop in Konoha, that he - Naruto Uzumaki - is so fervently in love with Gaara (despite of, or perhaps because of the confidential understanding that their unique life experience binds them so tightly), Gaara thinks that this might just be better than one of his romance novels.

           Gaara thinks himself a bit cheesy for the comparison, but contrasting Naruto’s sun is Sasuke’s moon. Soft, pulling with a surprisingly gentle gravity, outwardly cold– but inviting, as he channels the sun’s light to bring a calm coolness to the desert expanse below. With a rather unmoving, apparently irked expression, one would think Sasuke’s presence was as bleak and intimidating as he tried so hard to make it, but Gaara finds himself noticing just the opposite. Sasuke is always collected, never giving off an energy that isn’t intentional. With his background and the reputation of his family and clan, Gaara can see how easy it is for some to find the persistent scowl… unsettling. He was never one of those people, but he didn’t always have the luxury of knowing that Sasuke Uchiha does, in fact, feel things other than disdain.            Sasuke spent several years of his life carrying the wholehearted belief that he brought doom to those he loves. Any seven-year-old who cowered in fear as half his closest family was murdered in the middle of the night might feel the same way, especially with the knowledge that the carnage only stopped when the perpetrator was incapacitated by his own older brother (who - after the death of their father - had to assume the duties and responsibilities taken on by the head of the Uchiha clan, at the ripe age of thirteen). It had taken years for Sasuke to recover from that idea, though the trauma still occasionally rears its head at the worst of times– Gaara understands. Sasuke has a much bigger heart than he wants to believe, and Gaara thinks that that might be why he agreed to throw seven years of his life into a mission that wouldn’t directly benefit him in any way. “He poses a threat to you both, and I have the opportunity to mitigate that threat,” he would reason when questioned. Despite that valid enough reason, Gaara thinks his reasoning might still have had something to do with feeling like he owes his older brother.            Their introduction was rocky at best, and Gaara thinks that the initial animosity might have been the reason for his short period of denial that he might have any feelings for the Uchiha– the arrogant, stuck-up, downright haughty Uchiha who challenged his confidence so readily, so coolly. Sasuke had not a clue what he was getting himself into, but such confidence in his own abilities had been offensive at the time, until that confidence claimed some ground to stand on. They were more alike than they cared to acknowledge, and Gaara thinks this fact may have helped him discover that he, himself, wasn’t quite as monstrous as his surroundings would have him believe. Gaara watched Sasuke’s evolution in stages - as secret meetings and stolen moments would allow - and grew to understand that the hard exterior was paper thin, with the physical resistance of an eggshell, once Sasuke was allowed to settle.            Soulmates are sacred in Uchiha tradition; Sasuke made sure Gaara knew this. Sasuke openly worships the ground that he and Naruto walk on. His reserved public facade gave way to a doting, almost clingy closed-doors attitude. “No one simps like an Uchiha!” Shisui had told him, in response to questioning his reasons for planning his next anniversary with Itachi almost a whole year in advance. Gaara had thought it a joke, at the time– before Sasuke’s flowering conditions had been met. Sasuke blooms as a gardenia, under only the most comfortable of circumstances. With careful pruning, watering, and bulb maintenance, the gardenia reveals its soft, white petals and comfortable, jasmine-like scent on warm summer nights. It’s refreshing, Gaara thinks, to have a soulmate who understands his reservations, a soulmate for whom - much to his surprise - no number of romance novels could have prepared him for. Fingertips feathered over the nape of his neck as a free hand found his hip, drawing him in for a kiss; gentle, at first, and slow– until Sasuke thought it appropriate to interject a brush of his teeth over Gaara’s lower lip. It’s predictable, but Gaara still shudders. The care with which Sasuke carries him to the nearest soft surface is sharply contrasted by the bite marks Gaara knows he’ll find for the next few days, or the ropes Sasuke has pulled taut over Naruto’s tanned skin. Not everyone has the privilege of being able to see the inner workings of the mind of Sasuke Uchiha, and Gaara can appreciate that. Still, Gaara thinks that he might never quite get used to seeing Sasuke’s face soften while he sleeps, or his Sharingan whirl to life as he pins Gaara to the back of the just-closed front door, or his brow furrowed in concentration as he sinks into his latest library find… and that’s alright. Sasuke can keep a hint of his mystery.

           Now, as Gaara pauses in his living room doorway, he thinks that he’s glad to have Sasuke home. He’s glad to know that Naruto, after so many years, has the peace of mind he so desperately craves. His house has been mostly empty for well over a decade, but he thinks sharing his space might not be so bad, with his current company. Sure, they’re sprawled across his couch and look much too comfortable for Gaara to wake them up so he can get the blanket he wants, but that’s fine. Gaara thinks his phone needs a new lock screen, anyway.

[thefairyletters]

I saw you rb a SaiSaku post and was curious if you had any fanfic recs for this rarepair?!

Do I have?!!!!! I am currently binging this ship so you couldn't have asked this at better time.

.

This pair is not a crack ship! Crack would mean they have not shared more than two words with each other. But SaiSaku interactions always bordered on romance and best friends who don't act like it. Not only Sakura was the first person to acknowledge Sai had human side to him and bonded with him over his painting, Sai was also the only person outside Sasuke (in part 1) to be able tell her fake smiles and he always understood her feelings better than other characters. Had Sakura ever only cared for good looks (something she don't) then with Sai she'd get that and so much more.

I have always considered SaiSaku as the next best thing after NaruSaku. They had too much potential as a couple. I am not bitter that InoSai became a thing but looking at them I only feel that "Ino didn't get Sasuke so she get his look-alike." Besides, Sai gave people nicknames that are opposites to what actually feels about them – Naruto as Dickless, Sakura as Hag/Ugly and Ino as Beautiful – which makes it worse. Both Ino and Sai deserve better than this. If Kishi has shown them together more often or had interactions between them similar to SaiSaku then I can understand why Ino is his light. I guess it is also SP's fault for showing them in different light. For all SP hates Sakura, they enjoy messing up with her fans by feeding them false hope.

Whenever I want to read something hilarious but deep, SaiSaku is my to-go couple. Usually angsty, or full bout of insults and punches. There's no in between with them.

. SaiSaku .

This list contains my favorite SaiSaku collection. I am not sure if you like SaiSaku only as romance ship but this list also contain stories that expands on SaiSaku friendship, something I absolutely adore.

.

Could Roses Bloom? : RiseoftheBlossom || M || AO3 || Shippuden AU || GaaSaku, SaiSaku || Angst, Romance || Ongoing

Sai glanced downwards at his body, the sudden override of his thoughts causing his mind to blank. What did that mean? Had he been straying too close to a piece of information Danzo didn't want him to have or share? Or was it his mind's natural response to shutting down any form of emotion, even if it was just the slightest of inclination towards feeling something?

Go for it if you like: enemies-to-friends-to-lovers troupe, SaiSaku friendship, confused-over-his-feelings!Sai, slow burn, GaaSaku, boys who are bad at feelings, Sakura who is unlucky with romance, angst with fluff

.

hello, bright eyes (been waiting on you) : mouseymightymarvellous || T || AO3 || Shippuden AU || SaiSaku || Angst, Romance || One Shot

“look underneath the underneath,” except no one has ever really bothered to look at sakura and see her. and then there is a boy (isn’t there always). maybe they’re both just ghosts, making each other real.

Go for it if you like: enemies-to-friends-to-lovers troupe, confused-over-her-feelings!Sakura, boys who are bad at feelings, Sakura who is unlucky with romance, Sai and Sakura who don't feel like they belong, angst with fluff, sad!Sai

.

Oh God That’s Heaven : blueberrysconesandfolkmusic || T || AO3 || Shippuden AU || SaiSaku || Angst, Romance || One Shot

Sakura finds Sai sick, alone, and in desperate need of a hand that doesn't hurt.

Go for it if you like: boys who are bad at feelings, bleeding-heart!Sakura, sad-and-lonely!Sai, Sai and Sakura who are secretly best friends, Sai with PTSD, protective!team7

.

for everything blue and bright : sinemoras09 || M || AO3 || Shippuden AU || SaiSaku, SasuSaku || Angst || One Shot

The five stages of human arousal.

Go for it if you like: lonely!Sai, obsessed!Sakura, One-sided love, Unrequited-love-no-matter-how-you-look-at-it!SaiSaku, no-good-very-bad!Ending, pining!Sai, bittersweet lemon

.

A mess of me : Dovey || M || AO3 || Pre-Shippuden AU || SaiSaku || Yandere Romance || Complete

In which Sai is a good ANBU agent with an unusual hobby, and Sakura grows up with a #1 fan rooting for her....even if she doesn't know it. Or: Sai starts stalking Sakura when they're both young to satisfy his curiousity about 'normalcy', gets attached, and eventually gets very frustrated that nobody else seems to notice her potential as a shinobi and takes matters into his own hands- and delights in being Sakura's prime source of validation because of it.

Go for it if you like: obsessed!Sai, manipulation, stalker!Sai, mentor!Sai, SaiSaku friendship, distraught!Kakashi, fluff, baby-Sai-stalking-baby-Sakura, abusive haruno household

.

There is sunshine on his forehead : amako || T || AO3 || Soulmate AU || SaiSaku but it's complicated || Angst, Hurt/Comfort || One Shot

Sakura is only three when she promises herself that Sasuke will die by her hand, whoever he is.

Go for it if you like: dysfunctional Team 7, Soulmate AU, Unrequited love feels, angst heavy, Sai and Sakura only want to belong, NaruSasu, NaruSaku but not really, betrayal heavy, no fluff only pain, SaiSaku, Team 7 taking Sakura for granted, Sakura is so done

.

In theory : nimblnymph || T || FFN || Shippuden || SaiSaku || Romance, Humor || One Shot

For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction. Sai was about to learn that this theory applied to more than just physics. And that putting theory into practice sometimes gave unexpected results.

Go for it if you like: oblivious!Sai, teacher!Sakura, student!Sai, Sai getting educated, Sakura educating Sai, Kisses, Sai being Sai, Sakura with patience of god

.

Loathing : i AM the Random Idiot || T || FFN || Shippuden || SaiSaku || Romance, Angst || One Shot

Define "hatred."

Go for it if you like: oblivious!Sai, hurt!Sai, Angst, Onions, SakuSai bonding over mutual hate, love is overrated anyway

.

Bunk Mates : ice bitten || T || FFN || Shippuden || Team 7 || Humor, Friendship || One Shot

In which Sasuke and Naruto find out Sakura has been sleeping over at Sai's. Short stories surrounding Sakura, Sai, and the invasive people of Konoha.

Go for it if you like: sassy!Sai, protective!Team7, SaiSaku friendship, roommates, Sai being Sai, Perfect characterisation, Canon feels

.

Paint me with Colour : PeregrineFlight || T || FFN || post-Shippuden || SaiSaku|| Humor, Friendship || Incomplete

Sai and Sakura must travel to the Land of Lightning to retrieve something for the Daimyo, they have to travel as a married couple. Much to Naruto's amusement.

Go for it if you like: lonely!Sai, SaiSaku friendship, roommates, Sai being Sai, pretend marriage, SaiSaku bonding over mission, fluffy angst, adorable!Sai

.

Forget Me Not : Joy-girl || T || FFN || post-Shippuden || Team 7 || Angst, Friendship || Complete

Sometimes it's easy to forget how important someone is when the person is always in the background – but Sakura's boys still remember. Glimpses of her importance from each member of her team.

Go for it if you like: fluffy angst, Sakura's place in team 7, underappreciated Sakura, Team7 family, Family feels, sad!Sakura, protective!Team7 males, Sakura appreciation, SaiSaku bond, Team7Saku feels, avenger!Teammates

.

Add Me Colour : Cella N || T || FFN || post-Shippuden || SaiSaku || Drama, Romance || Complete

"All my life is white. Paint me. Add me colour."

Go for it if you like: lonely!Sakura, Sai being Sai, confused!Sakura, angst, poetic translation, colors

.

Euphemisms : Nymbis || T || FFN || Shippuden || SaiSaku || Humor, Romance || Complete(?)

Drabbles about Sai, Sakura, and their strange attempts at bonding.

Go for it if you like: Sai being Sai, Sakura being Sakura, Hilarious friendships, SaiSaku friendship, loveggression, love-hate relationship, Insults, Sai's brand of humor, fluff with punches, Raunchy stuff

.

Ricochet : Strix 4 || T || FFN || Shippuden AU || Team 7 || Family, Drama || Complete(?)

Sometimes it's easy to see the familiar in the faces around you. Sometimes it sucks to figure out why.

Go for it if you like: fluffy angst, Sakura's place in team 7, Team7 as family, Family feels, wise!Sakura, SaiSaku bond, Sai's place in team 7

.

Pick up lines : Demoneyes 14 || T || FFN || Shippuden || SaiSaku || Humor || One Shot

Ero sennin's pick up lines! Guaranteed to get the girl or your money back! Well... it would be more guaranteed if it hadn't fallen on his face in the library, but heck, Sai will try anything once! Maybe it will save him a beating from Sakura...

Go for it if you like: Sai being Sai, Sakura being Sakura, SaiSaku friendship, loveggression, love-hate relationship, Insults, Sai's brand of humor, fluff with punches

.

.

Special mentions...

Study of the Heart : teresa

In an effort to become a better friend, Sai undertakes a study of love, not really understanding how difficult it could be, and how surprising.

.

The Blood of a Cherry Blossom : Slytherin Kunoichi

Originally, for Halloween, Sai hadn't decided what to go as, but once he glimpsed at the bleeding flesh on Sakura's neck, he suddenly had the urge to be a vampire…

.

Old Dogs, New Tricks : yuugiri

After an unprecedented turn of events, the Fifth Hokage has officially assigned Sakura Haruno the responsibility to make Sai recover what he had lost; his emotions. With a time limit of a month, will Sakura succeed in this mission?

.

Once More, With Feeling : Cynchick

Sakura didn't know what she was thinking when she showed up on his doorstep. 

.

Ink Me : Krickitat

Exploring the art of bod-modification Sakura takes a step into the unknown world of the exquisite pain of art.

.

The Uchiha Secret : Slytherin Kunoichi

Sasuke froze as he stared at Sai's eyes, which were identical to his Uchiha Sharingan eyes now: red with anger and black with hatred...One family secret could threaten and shake three lives forever. Bonds will be broken.

.

.

.

My babies don't get enough love in the world.