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Bafflingly, there’s very little evidence of Disney trying to curb the toxic side of Star Wars fandom, a community dedicated to sabotaging Disney products and alienating potential customers. Time after time, actors of color have faced ruthless online abuse with minimal protection from the company that put them in the spotlight. It’s all very well to launch projects like The Acolyte and promote them with upbeat press tours, but what matters is the follow-through. And that half of the equation currently involves cancelling the show within weeks of its release, pissing off its fans, and leaving the lead actor to be harassed on Instagram by jeering troglodytes.
— @hellotailor in our latest article, which digs into how the recent cancellation of The Acolyte fits into the broader patterns of the Star Wars franchise. Read the whole piece—or listen to an audio version!
#fandom#fansplaining#star wars#the acolyte#gavia baker-whitelaw#fan/creator interaction#franchises#hollywood
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For years, I (and @fansplaining generally) have been closely watching fan anxiety over renewals in the extremely unstable streamer era—and then it happened to me. 🥲 I wrote about my beloved Interview with the Vampire, the "nobody is watching the best show on TV" narrative, and fans' frustrations with the confusing marketing decisions this season.
(Also I had to slip in a shout-out to Tumblr—"my home base, Tumblr, which is far more likely to host gifsets, shitposts, or graduate-seminar-level analyses of the show than discussions of terrestrial television ratings." Thank you IWTV fans of Tumblr for continually creating all three of these things, you are sustaining me!!! I've even started using the "For you" tab to see more, who have I become lol.)
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Actually feels like I'm losing my mind sometimes 'cause the TDP fandom is the only fandom where it feels like people are hardly at all fawning over the well curated selection of gay DILFs in the series.
Like this is one of the few children's media I know that has canonical mpreg (that's somehow done in a way that's also treated with just as much seriousness as it's treated comedically) and... no one cares? I mean, maybe that wasn't shocking to the fandom at the time and of course a ton of other shit has happened that's gone beyond that (like the cannibalism maybe), but seriously. Surely that should attract people to this show, right?
I mean, tragic old man yaoi became so popular in 2024, I saw everyone talking about it all throughout the year on Tumblr. And no one looked into exploring viravos more through that? Like, what? The way the ship so perfectly aligned with people's ideals for that trope and even hit points that I felt like some people said the most popular ships of that trope weren't able to fit... And if anything it seems like viravos has died down since mid 2024 (around when season 6 came out and when this trope seemed to be peaking in popularity because of the other media coming out at the time that used it) within the show's own fanbase. And it used to be the second most popular ship at that too.
And again, it's one thing for none of these characters or ships to be the main appeal for the fanbase itself... But somehow none of these things draw other people in? That's the crazy part to me. That's what's mind boggling.
#the dragon prince#tdp#viravos#viren#lord viren#aaravos#tdp viren#viren tdp#tdp aaravos#aaravos tdp#another day of wondering why is the series so damn underrated#this turned out to be more of a rant then I intended it to be#but okay so this is my own personal theory#I think a lot of this has to do with the advertising done for the show and creators' interactions with the fandom#cuz it seems like the creators are more heavily aiming at appealing to already existing fans#and I think the thing is most of the already existing fans aren't actually into those things (at least not much anymore)#so there's a lot more promortional material that's made for rayllum and draggang fans#cuz that's a lot more popular currently in the fandom#even tho outside of the fandom what's referenced in the post is what's currently more popular#so ppl outside the show aren't getting exposed to those aspects of the show that are more appealing in bigger fandom spaces#does that make sense?#like even the very few (but well known) ytbers who've done videos on tdp still seem to be more focused on rayllum above anything else#despite also not seeming to be that invested in the fandom#cuz that's all tdp presents itself as and allows itself to present as#(not that that's a bad thing)#also obviously this isn't me saying we should idolize problematic men in media and I'm glad the tdp fandom holds ppl accountable for that#and obviously like the main canon wlw and the most popular mlm ships (janaya and sorvus) are by miles healthier then viravos#but still#(also anyone who thinks that the subreddit is still made up of viren/virrow stans I assure you they lost interest post s6)
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i've seen a fair bit of... pessimism about dorym lately, esp with the ep107, for example wondering if dorian's opposing views on the gods making orym fall out of love, and i have to say. i very highly doubt it, ur fr talking about the man who has held on to will for so long, holding onto will's family and affectionately calling this *his* family too because that didn't stop when will died. i dont think falling out of love is an option or even a thought to orym.
that said, we know that orym has contingencies for if anyone in bells hells crosses the line into being a version of themselves they would despise, for anyone who jeopardizes their mission. his mission. i think, for the first time since knowing dorian, orym finally has a contingency for him. the longer dorian is back, the more orym sees how scarred he is by what's happened (understandable so) and knows that dorian is with bells hells all the way. but if he isn't...
#lynx speaks#critical role spoilers#cr spoilers#dorym#dorian x orym#i'll be so fr i hardly interact with the cr fandom at large bc soooooo many people are deeply pessimistic#i want to have fun!!!!! i AM having fun#and then i come here and see the most bad faith takes in all of the world ever and its disheartening!#where's ur fucken JOY where's ur fucken WHIMSY#bells hells is one of the wackiest groups with crazy dynamics between them all and its enjoyable!#ur Allowed to enjoy the things u watch i prommy#and to that point! people keep complaining that bells hells r indecisive and there r too many opposing views muddying things etc etc#1. ofc there r a lot of views. the real world is like that too. opposing views is one of the best story elements to enrich ur made up world#2. whenever there is a Big Decisive moment many instantly go 'noooooo not like that!!! that's not what *i*wanted' (ex: the shard.)#the cast receiving backlash from fans every time they r decisive and do something objectively fucken cool and interesting#means that any time they Think about doing a Big Thing... it gets a little harder bc what if the fans hate it. again. should i even do this#separating fandom from cast is a bit more difficult for this form of media and the inherent close proximity or creators to audience#so. just. maybe some of us could chill and cool off just a little. and maybe examine why This Thing is so terrible to u. and remember.#it may be terrible to *u* but thats where it stops. the specific bad feelings u have r not always indicative of media being Bad.#sometimes it's just not ur cup of tea and i PROMMY that its okay if its not
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sims mods are so insane bc there’s like mods for immersive new gameplay and full sets of beautifully designed clothes and hair and furniture and then there’s also mods for like. filing a tax return. sims modders have the RANGE.
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The old man's memory isn't as sharp as it used to be, but there's a child he'll never forget...
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Our April piece is live! 💫 Sacha Judd dives into the history of RPF, its thorny intersections with things like celebrity fandom and conspiracy theory shipping, and the erosion of the fannish fourth wall over the past few decades:
In the internet era—and especially with the rise of social media—we’ve witnessed an unprecedented increase in our access to public figures, the objects of our fandom. That’s led to collisions between celebrity culture, transformative fandom, parasociality, and conspiracy thinking. As a consequence, we’ve seen a full life-cycle in the acceptance of RPF, from something that was once seen as a completely taboo behavior to widespread tolerance and back again. And now, when our life online has consolidated into a handful of crowded platforms and fan communities have grown exponentially in size, we face a reckoning with the ethics of RPF in a world where few fandom boundaries remain.
Read or listen to a full audio version via the link above!
#fandom#fansplaining#rpf#sacha judd#fanworks#fanfiction#fanart#celebrity fandom#conspiracy theories#fan/creator interaction
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As promised, this was the topic of our latest episode:
Click through for the audio and a full transcript, plus show notes with links for further reading!
Since the WGA strikes began, the studios have been trying—and failing—to turn fans against the writers (and now the actors). I reported on a very strange SDCC this year, which was full of labor conversations and solidarity along the full spectrum of the fan/creator divide. As one member of SAG-AFTRA told me during an awareness-raising demonstration across from the convention center, “The people that I have met today have been all thumbs-up, V for victory, hugs. We love it, and we’re very pleasantly surprised.”
#sdcc 2023#san diego comic con#wga strike#sag strike#wga strong#fan/creator interaction#entertainment industry#fandom#cosplay#labor
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✨ WRITER INTERACTIVE ✨
Tag yourself or your favorite fic author — describe them with hearts! Are they the sleepless machine? The sexy brain? The angst dealer? The bathtub companion? This is your reminder to love loudly and read passionately.
You are free to take and publish this picture, the only request is not to erase the watermark🤲🏻.
(And you can start following me too, I'm new here and want to find a community!).
#writer interactive#fic writer appreciation#fanfic#fanfiction#writer love#tag game#writing community#reader love#headcanons#tumblr writers#support fan creators#Milaer's Interactive
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What do proshippers generally believe about shipping real people? Stuff like creator x creator or celebrity x reader?
That it falls under the umbrella of "you should be allowed to write anything you want". Once again, it's not my personal thing. There's no real life pairing I read for, and the whole "blank x reader" is not appealing to me at all.
But I have no problem with people writing that stuff, or knowing it's out there. I saw someone a while back say that it's basically just writing about another character, and I agree with that. No matter how much a creator posts or how open a celebrity seems with their personal life, we're still only seeing a tiny snippet of their lives. We have no clue who they are when the cameras aren't recording because we just don't know them. And whatever someone chooses to write about is mostly stemming from that particular persona that they happen to put on for the world and that's it. It's completely separate from our reality because they're basically just writing about another made up character
The problem I have, and it's what I imagine most proshippers also take issue with, is when people start blurring the lines between fiction and reality. To me, there's a world of difference between posting something on ao3, and speculating on secret relationships in the comments of someone's youtube video. Or between talking about something on tumblr, and tagging the person directly on twitter.
I just don't understand people who condemn rpf and talk about how gross and invasive it is, but think it's funny to tag celebrities on twitter to bring up (what they think is) cringe-worthy fanfic tropes that people have written them into. Or people who print out fanworks to shove into an actor's face at a meet and greet and ask them what they think about it. That's where the lines get crossed, to me.
I think ao3 and tumblr still have an air of mysticism to them. A little secrecy, a little privacy. In the sense that someone in the public eye would have to put in a little work to find this stuff for themselves. They'd have to go to the site and search themselves up to find anything. As opposed to just about anyone in the world being able to force this content in their line of sight with a simple @ on a site like twitter.
So to me the problem isn't that this content exists. The problem is when people don't know how to keep fandom stuff private. Write all the rpf you want but remember at the end of the day these are real people, not your blorbos. You don't know them. It's inappropriate to say these things to them personally (which yes, also includes tagging them on twitter or in the comments of their videos). But it's also inappropriate to run up to them with other people's content just to say "look what these FREAKS wrote about you!!" And I think people either forget or just genuinely don't care about the latter.
#proship#proshippers#pro ship#proshippers please interact#proshipper#proshipping#rpf#real person fiction#asks#anonymous#i know its so much crazier in this day and age than when i was a kid#with social media and stupid stuff like tiktok basically being a requirement of the job it seems#and celebs posting constantly and having a quick way to interact with fans#or content creators whose entire brand exists on social media apps like tiktok#who seem to be posting 24/7 and broadcasting their whole lives#and i know most of those types of creators mostly have younger followers who probably do very easily get sucked into#feeling like they know that person like thats their friend#and i also dont think that type of creator really discourages those feelings bc... they want followers and $$$#but idk just write your fic and read it or dont do either and just leave celebs alone irl please please please#sip answers
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things I wish I could relive for the first time again:
that magical window where you finish a new piece of media, having watched/read it all by yourself with no fandom contact whatsoever, and you are just so happy about it, and full of interesting theories and takeaways, and just in love with it as a gorgeous piece of art.
because I swear to god as soon as you join the fandom for anything, you're bombarded with how you're supposed to view characters and their arcs, how you're supposed to morally and ethically judge the plot and the ways it apparently failed to present the right message, and if you don't you'll either be shunned for not sharing the popular headcanons or you'll be harassed for not criticizing the source material enough.
like how is it that the fans of a piece of media are also the ones being the most negative about it? If I like a show or a movie or a book, well, I liked it. That's kind of the point. I'm actually not here to tear it apart and talk about how it didn't live up to standards other people had! I enjoyed it for what it was, and forcing myself to find negative things to say about it doesn't actually bring me more enjoyment of it or reap any benefit to me. Fandom's a double-edged sword; you want to join a community to share your love for a piece of art, and the price you pay for a modicum of joy is a mountain of negativity. that's one main reason that I never engage with fandom until I'm completely done with a show, because if I was plugged into all of that commentary and discourse during the process, I'd be completely colored by how I'm expected to interpret everything this piece of art is presenting to me without being able to even form my own opinions.
#this is currently about arcane but it's also every fandom i've been in since the dawn of time#there is so much political discourse about how the show handled the piltover zaun conflict and class struggle and i just#like i don't even know what to say besides. art doesn't have to provide the correct answer you know#it's not asking you to accept their explanation as the right one. it's just presenting a story. a scenario. a nuanced one at that#which of course the internet is the enemy of nuance as we know#especially in arcane i thought it was fairly clear that the end wasn't the bright shining future anyone hoped it'd be.#was anyone right in their actions? did anything turn out the way they wanted? or was it just as messy and gray as real life#we're living in such a myopic time for art where it's believed every story must take the correct stance or be invalid or even harmful#instead of just offering a perspective. a lived experience. a hypothetical. a story.#and when it gets to be headache inducing all I can do is take myself back to how I felt when I watched the show for the first time#and I came away from the whole thing being incredibly moved and captivated by the entire story and its nuance.#i had no qualms and no criticisms and i was very impressed with the depth of storytelling surrounding the political parts of the plot#as well as the character arcs. i guess people like to dunk on viktor's s2 arc nowadays and i just. shrug. i was blown away by it#for me at least i have nothing but pure love and admiration for art after i've viewed it. it's only after interacting with fandom#that the criticisms seep in and now i can't unsee it and even if i don't agree with it it still muddies my ability to enjoy the art#fandom is a curse in that sense. like i seek out art that i enjoy. i have no desire to make myself dislike that art. whats the point#why are the biggest haters of a piece of media the 'fans' of it idk.#me finishing a show: wow i love all the characters and the plot and the cinematography! I want to talk to others about how cool it is!#meanwhile the fandom hating characters to the point of death threats to their creators#after 13 years in fandom i can say this - if you don't need to join the fandom for smth then don't lmao.#you'll be able to retain your genuine enjoyment of the thing.#that whole 'if you didnt like what i made then make your own' philosophy people use on fanfic/fanart should be applied more#to actual published art too. you should be able to meet art where it's at and if you don't like what it's saying or how it looks then#just move on and find something else. another branch of the 'the greatest enemy of the left is the left' tree imo#a show has a lot of queer rep? bash it to the point of making the creators go into hiding for not doing it how you think it should be#no artist will ever be able to satisfy everyone's demands. they just want to put their experiences and ideas into the world#creators that try to do good get more vitriol than those who never try. they're scrutinized harder and judged more harshly#it's just. one of those 'real fucking tired of fandom' nights. the best cure is just going back and rewatching the source material#all on your own and falling back in love with it. just you and your genuine connection with the art.#anyway what happened to steven universe was unforgiveable and it really ruined fandom for me. like. yall don't deserve nice things
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i dont wanna bring it over to the actual xpau blog but can i just announce that xpau mtt must have SOMETHING going on between them. am i being delusional??? AM I DELUSIONAL I CAN SENSE THE POLY FORMING OK I CAN SEE IT

something is Up here. i can tell something is fishy between them. something is very very polyamorous..............
#ive been thinking about xpau mttpoly ALL FUCKING DAY#XPAU MTT ARE SOOOOO FUCKING GAY AM I GOING CRAZY I THINK IM GOING CRAZY#'sibling energy' NO????? THERE IS UNDERLYING TENSION UNDERNEATH ALL THOSE PLATONIC INTERACTIONS SSUSGAHAYUAGAAHAEWU GAYGAYGAYGAY(AGYAYAGAYSG#triglycercule hasnt been thing much of a loser fan in a while but i cant stop thinking about them#Guys!! killer said while running towards dust and horror at full speed with a big fucking grin#killer you do NOT need THAT much enthusiam. unless......... youre REALLY to talk to them#hmmmmm i dunnooooooo i dont knoooooooowwwwwww :3#horrordust were just sitting in that corner the entire time while dust was recovering from the drinking contest#what could they POSSIBLY have been talking about while killer wasnt there#killer told horror that it would be better if he didnt drink. so theyve all drinken together before? alright#SOMETHING IS TBERE OK SOMETHING I DONT KNOW EHAY#triglycercule stop thinking about xpau and work on the killer analysis#IM SORRY IM TRYING THEURE JUST REALLY REALLY GAY IN XPAU I HAD TO SAY IT#tricule rant#if the creator of xpau sees this post or something i will die#however to my mutuals and followers: you should know i'm already a total fucking loser ok i reach for mttpoly like a flower grows to the sun
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I initially showed up for Arsenic, and now I'm here for all your art! I hope I'm not overstepping or anything when I ask: What happened with the OMORI fandom? Were they rude or stupid or something? I like the game and the most I do with the OMORI fandom is reblog art and stuff, is that okay to follow you or would you rather someone like me not follow you?
Oh hi ! Thank you for continuing to like my art! <3 Long story short, I got drama thrown at me. But tbh that's not really what makes me dislike the fandom most, because fundamentally the only way that's tied to the fandom is the fact that it shows how quickly people will jump on a hate train — which is. the real reason, actually. That and the general oppressive atmosphere
If all you do is reblog art, you're chill, I just try not to talk to OMORI fans anymore personally. Being in that fandom's made me paranoid for a period of time and I just don't want to go back to that
#i used to not get tangled with the fandom at all until i created arsenic. i didn't interact with people i just posted art#but the moment i started actually interacting with the fandom in any meaningful way. uh. it went badly! so#the thing is the fandom is made up of a lot of kids and people who don't really have the maturity for the source material to an extent#one of the most well known fandom lore events is how one of the most popular artists got sent a fucking. horrifying amount of death threats#i guess i'm wary of omori fans in general because of a... general trend.#a lot of what i see from this fandom is just. paranoia over what people make and what's acceptable and if it's suspicious and and and#i've seen people get blocked by their friends over having their likes set to private because that's ''suspicious''#there's just. an insane amount of drama. all of the time. constantly. i don't want to be there for that. and it's impossible to avoid#again. one of the most well known events is a creator getting sent constant death threats for weeks or months straight.#and i have not once seen anyone say that That Was Bad. Actually. That Should Not Have Happened.#i just don't want to be there for that.#ask#anon
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As an aside, I do tend to keep away from most popular ships whenever I do find myself interested in shipping characters from something I’m into for obvious reason……
Fans are usually obnoxious and flanderize tf out of said characters, treating them like oc’s simply because they haven’t bothered with touching the source material ever since they first picked up the thing and artists get cocky and pretentious, always trying to bolster themselves up as the person who “made random already popular ship, popular in the first place-“ or “the most important artist for this ship-“ it’s always been so weird to me personally. I always feel as if I’m shooting myself in the foot or stepping on a landmine whenever I do end up liking popular ships (which has always been pretty rare for me) lol.
#like stsg is fine when you don’t engage with jjks fandoms that’s pretty much infested with shippers bad takes and literal nimrods who think#they know better than the creator#never forgetting your typical dude bros as well#at least a lot of the fans are funny tho ��#leak weeks were always insane lol#they were treating the characters and updates like it was the nba finals bro I’d never seen any shit like this happen before in a popular#series ever not even the og classics so jjk is definitely 😭#it’s just that the fans are insane and gross#I’m not saying this to say that shipping is bad because of course I do it#and I’m one of those ppl who ship crack (I love crack ships sm or unpopular ships… I’m for whatever reason somehow always drawn to them)#but outside of that it’s like#you step outside and see how everyone else interacts with fandom and the things that they like and feel like an alien ☠️#rambling
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just got a dm abt one of my posts and y'all please don't try and show the hermits (or any minecraft youtuber or content creator for that matter) my posts, i'm uncomfortable with it and don't want any of my posts shown to a cc. if they stumble upon it naturally that's unfortunate but i can live with it since i do maintag a lot (something i REALLY need to stop doing tbh i already know i need to make a tagging system just for my blog that wont clog results) but going out of ur way to show a cc is entirely different and something i am not comfortable with.
no hate to the person at all but even if i wasn't a little silly and weird with it sometimes i wouldn't be comfortable with it, i want my blog to be a purely fandom only space with none of the creators involved <3 please respect this
#which is imo how a fandom space should be#i'm old fashioned and it breaks the fandom etiquette rules i stand by#i ship and stuff and absolutely NO cc needs to be subjected to that please and thank you even if it's a non-ship post#not saying hermits and others cant hang out and interact if they wish hell no but like....#if you as any person with a following willingly go into a fandom space you have to expect to see some things you find weird#doesn't even necessarily mean ship just stuff the cc finds weird :v idk im not phrasing this right but like#the rule with shipping around any sort of media has been to keep it away and not show the creators anything !!! and thats fallen out#of practice the past few years with ppl getting more and more comfortable demanding boundaries and personal info from creators#which isn't right imo bc its like you're trying to see how much you can get away with. u want a guide on how to interact and social skills#which is... huh??? just be polite and keep anything weird away from them like what we were doing#some folks nowadays need “permission” to ship stuff even from SHOWS and shit with no real people and its like wow... huh....#u need it to be canon?? u need everything told to u by the show?? wheres the imagination. the spirit.#the making of everything so far removed from what it once was#like that guy that played nick from heartstopper that had to be outed to play a gay guy. like#idk im so sick of the boundary fandom ppl in mcyt 'what if they saw and made it uncomfortable!! im going to show them!!!!'#you are making them MUCH more uncomfortable than i am by GOING INTO THEIR FACE AND DEMANDING THEY LOOK AT IT!!#AND DEMANDING BOUNDARIES N SHIT... CRAZY.... idk the hermits especially its weird to me bc clearly they understand fandom etiquette#and the dynamic im talking about. most of them understand that by going into fandom spaces they will see things they dont like#which is why a lot of them only like fanart and answer questions asked by fans. even on tumblr !!! where the weird ppl are!!!#they also all seem to understand they are playing characters (citing joel cleo and grian as examples) for their audiences#which is. smth the audience itself doesnt understand most of the time anymore. oh my god they all died in real life in hermitcraft season 8#idk hermitblr used to be a lot more okay with hermitshipping n then a bunch of ppl from other fandoms moved in and its all more negative#and makes me sad. idk...#i never meant for this blog to gain almost 500 followers i just wanted to make silly little ship posts and now im scared to#bc ive gotten hate and its.... bwugh.... tempted to remake blogs and make one thats very clearly just for me and a few weirdos#whatever i went off on a tangent in the tags as usual just pls dont show creators my posts even non-ship ones for this reason#jamies bad posts#talking in tags#serious posts#<- ig??? idk
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Our first piece of the year is live—and it's a big one! With the recent release of the classic BBC sci-fi show Blake's 7 on Blu-ray, Lena Barkin looks back at the infamous 1980s clash between fans and creators that became known as the Slash Wars:
The Slash Wars happened in the late 80s and early 90s, but their central fandom questions are still being explored today. How much interaction should there be between fans and artists? How does capitalism interact with fandom’s gift-based economy? How public should fanfiction about characters portrayed by real people be? How do we ethically engage with the media properties we love when it involves so many conflicting people, stories, and viewpoints?
For fans of fandom history—or anyone grappling with these questions in fandom today—this is a must-read. You can also listen to a full audio version via the link above. 🚀
#fandom#fansplaining#blake's 7#lena barkin#fan/creator interaction#fandom history#fanfiction#slash#cons#zines
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