#fuck your fandom discourse

[letsgobarbs]

Heyyyy. Heard a lot of murmurs about how my “clique” started the AI witch hunt. And I stand by what I did. Something tells me that if a white woman had done what we did, they would be hailed the fandom hero. But I digress.

Since many of you seem uninformed, it was this post that introduced us to an AI scanner. There are many like it, there’s this one too. AI scanners utilise AI Technology— analytical AI to be specific. However, it is still considered to be a new and unreliable technology. Why wouldn’t it be? Gen AI itself is a new and unreliable technology. How would any scanner be able to track something that is unreliable and unpredictable itself. There were two blogs who were pointed at for blatantly only posting AI fics— one of them posted 148+ fics in a month, and another that posted over 20 in a week. This was pretty telling, since it is humanly impossible to do. Moreover, they were checked through both scanners linked above.

Now, anybody with rudimentary knowledge of AI would know that AI models need to be trained. Hence, to put out a fic it needs to be fed works written by other authors. THIS IS STEALING. And it is also why many AI-written fics are getting harder to spot, because far too many fics have been fed into models to train them that AI is generating work anybody else could have written at first glance. Many authors, most notably auteurdelabre, have left since their work has been fed into AI and essentially stolen from them.

There were mutiple people who’s fics came out to be over 60%, 70% and even 80% but we had the good sense to not be the fucking fic police— the AI cops, if you will. Because there was always a possibility that the author had their work stolen from them. This could not have been true for the 2 blogs we pointed out because it was a) an open secret that they were using AI and b) too new to the fandom to gain any traction and have their work stolen from them.

Now… my question is— why call it a “witch hunt”?

Which other witches have we hunted? We are here to have fun in a fandom just like everybody else and have no reason to dedicate our time and energy into policing other people. Just a few weeks ago people were moaning about how the surge in AI fics was making the fandom more hostile and ruining it for everybody. So why are we the villains for calling it like we see it??

Even if it was a witch hunt, you shouldn’t be afraid if you’re not using AI??? Isn’t this the same cop logic y’all use? The easiest way to prove that you did not use AI was to say ‘I didn’t use it’— maybe even show the document history of you building your fics brick by brick, word by word, over the course of weeks and months. You know what I think? I think the people using AI are now scared that their work will be checked and called out. Hence, the strong sentiments on the “witch hunt”.

As for @/gothcsz, Kat’s fics were always going to show a high percentage of AI because anybody who has followed her for a hot second would know that she too had her work stolen, scrapped and used to train AI. The people accusing her of using AI lacked that fundamental, basic knowledge of this technology. Please read up on it.

But several people ran with it— gleefully, and so very excited to see the downfall of a talented BIPOC author. And they ran to both @toxicanonimity and @ihateconfessionalblogs. They titled this turn of events as “What Goes Around, Comes Around” when really this was a case of “We Will Accuse You Of Stealing What Was Stolen From You Because We Lack Basic Tech And Media Literacy.”

Nowhere in our initial posts about AI did we hail AI scanners as foolproof— it’s common knowledge and information they are not. Moreover, none of those 2 girls would have been called out if they hadn’t performed the tried and true method of shedding white woman tears. Here’s my original post, where you can see the AI user wail about how she is most definitely not using AI and people should come off of anon to converse with her— which I did. Mind you, I previously tried to DM her, which wasn’t possible because she had restricted her messages to only those she follows. And I had also tried to comment on her post but comments and replies were restricted at the time. I thought this was very funny, and would do it again.

I have many thoughts on @toxicanonimity’s engagement with the confessions blog and the shit-stirring blog @ihateconfessionalblogs. But I will hold my peace, because I do believe that the moment you start arguing with ignorant fools, you have lost. I hope this post serves as an accurate account of what has happened as well as being informative.

[proxythe]

sorry im really obsessed with this pair … 🧚 u guys must understand… i have a rare pair addiction …

[rosetterer]

if you are mad that bucktommy is getting more attention than henren, you should be fucking furious that a non-canon mlm ship has been getting more attention than henren for YEARS

[g3othermal3scapism]

i think all marauders fans should take every character as their own little doll to customize and play with and project on to and everyone’s should be different. it should be like your avatar in a game or something that u get to show off to mutual fans like ‘mine looks like this :3 urs looks like that?? omg thats so fun’ like they should work like OCs. we are all just playing pretend here and i think we should embrace that

[utilitycaster]

In the end, it is extremely vindicating to see the various accusations levied re: why people don't like Campaign 3 because like, in the end, most of the people who do like campaign 3 are desperately insecure people who cannot live with the idea that someone else doesn't love the thing they love. Like yeah, if it makes you feel better, sure, call me a stupid jesus freak centrist edgelord who isn't a Real Punk (who also apparently only wants feel-good liberal endings), and who only cares about stories where you can ship two men; you can conjure up an image of me sitting slack-jawed on a couch, face covered with cheeto dust, pointing at the TV and going HAHA LIGHTNING GOD GIVE BIG LIZARD A BELT. It won't make you feel better, is the thing, because you've decided total fandom consensus is the only thing that will ever make you happy, and so long as a handful of people are like "Campaign 3 isn't very good and I don't think Bells Hells are very good people within the context of that world, and outside of that context I don't really care about them" you will be miserable.

[ab-horror]

people are so worried about being canon-compliant with fandom stuff all the time anymore and im just like, man, i just wanna think about The Character in Situations

make em a slut, turn them celibate, give them a million accessories they wouldn't wear, dye their hair, make em dance and sing, give them a million different AUs and make them act different in each one, ship them with everyone, ship them with no one, make ocs to kiss them, make ocs to be their family, make ocs to fuckin hate their guts, give em a dog or a cat or a fuckin lizard idk, make headcanons that literally make sense to no one but you, project onto them, love them, hate them, feel a secret third thing about, who cares anymore none of this matters in a way thats Actually Important

[antispopausandstuff]

i cannot stand that Nate made it so Adora suddenly realized she was gay when Catra was about to kiss her.

if you don't know what i'm talking about, on Twitter, someone asked Nate what Adora was thinking before the kiss happened and he replied with a GIF // image ( don't remember which one ) that had the caption "am i gay?" attached.

like, look, it's one thing to have a lesbian character originally believe they like or legitimately like a guy at one point ( Amity from TOH ). in fact, i feel like we need to have more characters like that, since, to this day, so many people in and out of the community think it's black and white when it comes to being queer to any extent.

BUT!

Adora has never had this occurrence. she's never shown interest in guys, fake or otherwise, and no one else in the show seems to have this supposed 'am i gay' realization, ever.

that, and, even if she did think she was straight at one point, you can't honestly tell me she continued to think that when she was openly attracted to THREE WOMEN aside from Catra.

this is just giving shipping material that isn't necessary and adding onto the 'Adora is a dumb lesbian jock' stereotype that the fandom loves to believe is simply canon.

so, if she's attracted to other women, she doesn't know it, but when it's Catra, she suddenly starts asking herself that?

i could maybe understand it if it was because Catra was about to kiss her, meanwhile she didn't have any of that with the other women, but we all know that isn't actually why.

[valyrfia]

i say this with the utmost love but a small and annoying minority of you need to develop a real world hobby and snap out of worrying about how “fake” of a fan some bigger account you don’t like is based on how they choose to interact with a fandom space

[imlikereallycool]

Ppl(especially on tiktok) r insufferable when it comes to ships. They will get mad at you for shipping characters who are enemies or friends, shipping characters who never met or are the literal opposite of eachother, "thats unrealidtic" "it would be toxic" "but they have canon partners". THATS THE POINT Another point is that cuz its fucking funny, so stfu when you say they wouldn't/couldn't/shouldn't bee together LIKE THATS THE WHOLE POINT. I finf it funny to think of a person who is a neat freak be with a messy person. Like the only thing that should stop you is pedophilia and incest. Nothing else matters bc its not real, have fun and whimsy. Also fuxk purists.

[adhdevankinard]

Ik I’m late to the conversation about the 911 kitchen scene filming incident, but one thing that needs to be pointed out is that film sets, even ones without stunts, can be physically dangerous.

A bit of lore, but for three years in college, I worked as a floor manager and then producer/director of the campus news station, which was a mid-sized filming studio. While it’s not the exact same thing as a film set, we used professional-grade cameras, lights, set dressing, props, corded microphones and booms — very similar to film sets.

If you’ve never been on the floor of a studio or film set, a few things to know: Cords are everywhere and easily tripped over. Cameras are big and fucking heavy. It can get very crowded with equipment, set dressing, cast, and crew. This is why the crew needs to be focused on their equipment and the equipment around them. This is why the cast needs to know where the equipment is located during filming. This is why it’s so important that the cast and crew know the blocking for filming and know what to expect in a scene.

I have no idea if the director told the crew about the change before the scene was filmed and Oliver was the only one in the dark, but even one person being unaware and then reacting suddenly and unexpectedly creates safety concerns for all the reasons I listed above.

The director should absolutely not encourage or approve this type of unpredictability. It is the responsibility of the director to manage a set on the day of filming and the safety of your cast and crew should be top of the fucking mind.

Yes, no one was hurt during the filming of the kitchen scene. Yes, it might seem like a relatively minor incident, but it highlights a very, very real concern that is bigger than one scene alone. The fact that it happened at all shows that the sets need better management for the safety of the cast and crew because there are very real examples of film sets becoming dangerous.

[louisjude]

“it’s bucktommys who are the toxic ones and ruining the fandom”

is that so? oh look at these.

or maybe these on tiktok

or perhaps comments left under lou’s own posts?

oh maybe these comments under a completely non-911 related tweet from an account that just posts mlm gifs? (btw, they posted a bwdd!e gif right after...I wonder why)

if you want to try and turn the mass hate behavior onto us, at least bring receipts.

and btw, your lord and savior Oliver Stark does NOT fuck with you.

[oramn]

this is a rant about mcyt tiktok (maaaybe twt but i don’t go there)

i hate seeing shit about shelby’s abuse and people calling it the “wilbur and shelby situation” and then other people saying “it’s not the wilbur and shelby situation it’s the shelby situation with wilbur allegations” like babes you are so fucking close. YOU SRE RIGHT THERE

It’s not the wilbur allegations, wilbur wasn’t mentioned or involved whatsoever! Let shelby heal and move on. it’s shubbles situation, nothing more, nothing less. sure there’s things that line up , but that doesn’t fucking matter unless wilbur comes out and admits it, or shelby actively says it was wilbur.

innocent until proven guilty and believe all victims are two things that can coexist and there is little to no nuance on tiktok where conversations like the ones described above are being had.

i also saw someone on here say something along the lines of “good people can do shitty things, good people can be bad in a relationship, good people can be the bad in a relationship ” and i agree, but that is not a conversation many are willing to have, they will jump straight to conclusions and make a woman’s story of abuse about a man.

edit (2/27/24) he posted an 'apology' on twitter, I don't know how I feel about it but he did it. Wilbur abused shelby while they were in a relationship together. He is guilty of what he was speculated of. official ruling imo: fuck that guy

[lostinthe--stars]

Do us all a favour and kill yourself, proshitter. You’re fucking disgusting for liking children. How can you think it is ok. The world is better off without you in it

How can you POSSIBLY think it is ok to say this to a person? How are people like you the ones who preach about morals and things being illegal, while telling people to off themselves? Excuse me?

Yes. I am a proshipper. It doesn’t and shouldn’t affect you in any way, so get the fuck over it.

Being a proshipper DOES NOT mean I am into children. Far from it. Just because I think pieces of fiction deserve to exist does not mean I consume those pieces of fiction.

There are many tropes, pairings, etc. within fiction/fan fiction that I do like not, but I don’t go around harassing people who do like it, and I don’t think that those things I dislike should be removed from existence.

Anti’s will never cease to amaze me.

Ship and let ship. Let fiction exist. Fandom is supposed to be fun!! Let it be fun! Like what you like, don’t like what you don’t like, and MOVE ON!

[sagegreenyaps]

Hey, I get that you don't like that person's stance, but they don't deserve to die or to relive their own trauma because of it. Don't dehumanize your enemies.

If you're at the point where the most substantial thing you could say to somebody is a threat, just silently wish the best for them.

Wish that someday they'll stop being an enemy. Wish for character growth.

(Note: This is not asking you to "fix them." That's not your job, and helping people with the mindset of "fixing them" is not actually that helpful. If they ask for civil discussion-- and are genuine-- then it's your choice whether you permit it or not, but don't try to force your point without listening to them. Don't "fix them." It very likely is not going to work, and will very likely instead give them a bad/worse taste in their mouth about you and what you represent. Sometimes it is best to leave people be, in all honesty. You don't have to save the world, doing what you can is perfectly acceptable. Promoting good-will and stability in your own space is just as-- if not more-- important as stepping outside of said space.)

[burntblueberrywaffles]

"Coriolanus had this bad thought early in the book so clearly he was evil all along!" y’all hate people with intrusive thoughts and mental illness so much and it shows.

YES president Snow is an irredeemable villain. NO he was not always "destined to be evil". The whole point is that he could’ve been good and yet he wasn’t.

[brain-rot-central]

Also as a side note it's ok to enjoy dark concepts as a form of escapism.

Please do not misconstrue that as my excusing Nazism--ya'll can get fucked with that.

What I mean is liking the "bad" ending to things or fantasizing about more dramatic circumstances that have unfortunate consequences.

It's ok to enjoy tragedy in your entertainment. It's ok to want to foster concepts of tragedy, including romantic ones. If the perfect completion of a hero's journey doesn't appeal to you, don't subscribe to it.

You're allowed to enjoy things most other people don't.

People will greet you with hesitancy and disdain toward it due to their own personal feelings of discomfort. They'll project those feelings onto you because they don't know what else to do, or they've been conditioned into thinking it's "wrong" and therefore have a moral obligation to inform you that you're also "wrong" and should stop it right now!

Keep doing whatever you're doing. Don't bend to someone or feel bad about yourself just because they tell you your love of a dark character or concept concerns them because of x, y, z reasons.

If you have a good head on your shoulders and a firm grasp on the fact that this is all fantasy, then you're fine.

These are choices, at the end of the day. Choices cannot harm you unless you give them the power to. You can choose to do whatever and live however you want, so long as you're aware of the consequences.

If something makes you uncomfortable, you can very easily go "nope, enough of that for today," and walk away from it. You do not, and should not, have to police other people into agreeing or accepting what your individual levels of comfort are.

If seeing something on tumblr.com upsets you so much to the point where you write hateful messages or posts about it, please learn to kick rocks in your own yards. Oh, and utilize your block/filter tags.

You have the power to curate your own experience.

Use it.