#getting mischaracterized

[gaywineauntsstuff]

saw someone say that jason is really the only one that bruce wanted and chose to adopted y’all are playing with right now

Yall Bruce’s babies are his babies even when he’s a shit parent

Like okay

I get it?

Bc Jay is like the ONLY time DC makes sure to preserve the sweetness of the Batman Robin relationship

Like yall remember prime Bruce and Dick og robin run? I don’t bc I haven’t fuckinf read comics from the 40s however I actually started reading stuff from Dicks ORIGINAL Robin run. And they’re adorable, sweet, perfect, 20000/10 (most of the time we ignore mind control and the occasional Talia beef it’s fine)

I finally get good dad Bruce’s Wayne truthers

HOWEVER c o m m a

WHAT I READ WAYYYY B4 THE OG BATMAN AND ROBIN

WAS BATMAN AND ROBIN ALL STAR.

Like????? Be so fr with me you’re gonna sit here and tell me that the pedophilic, weird, abusive Batman just fully and truly exists???? (Listen maybe my media literacy is ass but I read that comic at 14 and I felt so uncomfortable)

Ew

Or like

YALL REMEMBER TIM ANF BRUCE??? THE ANIMATED SERIES?? TIMS ROBIN RUN? ADORKABLE

They were perfect

But DC??? For angst reasons

WILL RUIN TIM AND DICK SND DAMIANS RELATIONSHIP WITH BRUCE A BILLION TIMES

- Dick being fired instead of outgrowing Robin

- Bruce HITTING HIM

- TIMS WHOLE ASS 16TH BIRTHDAY

and like about 5billion ooc bits of nonsense my Bruce Wayne would never

Ever

But Jason?

Well?

His relationship with Bruce is currently awful so the only way to make it even more ouchhhhh is to make it so that they had the perfect Batman Robin relationship (which they did not but like we move)

Right so all the current comics when showing a Jaybin Robin scene just make it tooth rottingly sweet so we all sit there and go

Awww poor Jay Jay my son (but truly poor jayjay I love him)

ANYWAY

It sucks bc?? It does end up coming off like Bruce was a father to Jason and a drill sergeant to everyone else.

- hence why the Dick Grayson is a better parent than Bruce Wayne - tag exists

But like

It’s canon that Bruce literally had empty nest syndrome after Dick left. Bro was sad and missed his small bouncy blue eyed son so he got another one. He also loved this other one and this other one was not a replacement child but like. Empty nest syndrome is 100% the reason that he went and saw small, vaguely Grayson shaped baby must have.

Tim?

That’s his BABY

HAVE YALL SEEN HOW HE HOLDS TIM??? BE SO FR WITH ME IF YOU DONT THINK THERE WAS AFFECTIONATE IN THERE

And DAMIAN COME ON YALL IK WE ALL LOVE DICK AND DAMIAN FATHERSONISMS BUT LIKE BRUCE IS LIKE A DAD WHO LOVES HIS WEIRD SON VERY VERY MUCH.

Is okay

But like I do get where they’re coming from

I just think they’re wrong

The same way that like I fundamentally disagree with the Dick is an idiot Grayson truthers however, we had new 52 (a Dick who barely knew Donna is bound to be new levels of idiot) and rebirth (lobotomized male feminist Grayson) like yeah if that’s all you’ve read of him??? No shit you’re not gonna think he’s all that bright

It’s the same way I see fans of both of these nightwing runs giving Watters run shit bc “oh is everyone praising this run but Nightwing doesn’t have to be blue Jason Todd” bc he hates cops, is kinder to criminals and is generally more calculating/ broody than the last decade of Nightwing

Like the content is definitely leaning people in a certain way.

Bc lowkey dc babes I love you

But like? wtf is happening

Anyway I’m not judging the fans unless they get in my face about it. I see where they’re coming from but I think it’s a combo of fanons love of violent exaggeration (think oh Damian cut Tim’s line for no reason, Dick threw Jason in Arkham, Dick being fragile and meek) + a writing choice that appeals more to short form angst than for long term character cohesion

Anyway sorry for the rant that’s my two cents on it

[somewhereincairparavel]

"jason is a knockoff watered down percy" NO hear me out, jason actually parallels annabeth immensely, sharing SO many similarities with her personality, not percy, in this essay I will-

edit: my full analysis is out now! here

[otaku553]

I really wanna here more about the time travel au. What would c!vanilla and r!vanilla think of each other?

Tbh! I can’t really tell by the abbreviations which one is c and r so I’m sorry about that 😔

But here’s a summary of what I think they think of each other:

On a conscious level both of them realize that the other is themself but they are so removed from each other in age and demeanor that they treat each other as different people, if that makes sense.

In young Pure Vanilla’s mind, he of course is scared of what in the future makes him turn so apathetic to the world, and so reluctant to give and receive kindness. But more importantly, his adult self needs comforting and healing and that’s what he can control and can do for him.

In Truthless Recluse’s (I’ve been calling him Dark Vanilla for the most part as an alias he would use in the AU) mind, he is prepared to protect his child self from Shadow Milk by any means possible and is initially on a hair trigger looking for any signs of Shadow Milk Cookie’s early influence. However, he is slowly but gradually realizing that Shadow Milk Cookie influenced his memories when they interacted, and re-experiencing them from this outside perspective is giving him a tiny bit more peace of mind for the safety of his child self. But this also means that he’s done a lot to himself in the future based on the words of Shadow Milk and is blaming himself for having changed so drastically. He doesn’t believe that he himself will ever be fit to hold the title of hero again, but he does believe that his child self’s potential is separate from his and that child Pure Vanilla, with his boundless kindness, is fully deserving of all the status and power to come his way in the future.

[annyankers]

for all the amicability in the whirlwind later on i think it's really important to never lose sight of why dru was turned and then why she in turn sired spike. she was tortured and turned for angelus' enjoyment, her continued suffering brings him pleasure. he owns her, she is a Thing to him and she has no way to escape this. she makes spike to be "her brave knight" a position that, especially in fairytales, means a very romantic man physically protects and serves a woman who is usually gonna end up being some kind of damsel in distress.

while yes dru is evil and a vampire she's still obviously very upset about what happened to her and those moments seem to be her times of lucidity, not delusion. not to mention that she's already been beaten out of the notion that she can escape angelus, she tried to as a human and it didn't work, it likely won't work now either, especially if darla sides with him. but with spike around there's someone who basically always takes her side and fights to keep angelus away from her. who is, at least, a buffer between her and her tormentor. he also takes care of her and validates her, something neither darla or angelus seem to be interested in doing at all.

i feel like people tend to intellectually remember what happened to her but forget that it you know, has long lasting consequences when say, they evaluate her behavior in late s2 when angelus comes back. like... yeah ofc she goes back to appeasing him and shit. spike's a wheelchair and she was beaten into shape to be "daddy's little girl" (gag) YEARS before she even MET spike. her abuser is back and her defender is out of commission not to mention her whole view of reality has been actively warped by the most narcissistic sleezoid around.

and all the reasons why people love spike or point to as why he's better with buffy or whatever.... dru was the one who saw those first and picked him because of those. like... it's wild to see people act like they spent a loveless century together and spike was just used the whole time when we SEE them literally in love, he states MULTIPLE times she means so much to him and we get an OUTSIDE SOURCE CONFIRM THEY HAVE "AFFECTION AND JEALOUSY FOR EACH OTHER". we have the spike we know of today because drusilla saw the hero in him and wanted him to rescue her. and ya know, he kinda did. multiple times. over a century of deep, mutual horrifying love. you only even GET spike and buffy in the same ROOM because he loved dru so much he saved her from a mob, traveled with her across a continent (maybe 2 depending on direction) and over an ocean for even a SHOT at a cure. like... cMON.

this got a little off topic into some of my pet peeves but also kinda not because just-- i don't think people always remember that dru is still a victim and a victim who was intentionally frozen the moment of maximum despair and internal destruction. then spent about 20 years being groomed by her tormentor before she ever had anyone care about her as a priority. i think people tend to forget that it was angelus who wanted to turn spike into a monster and drusilla who wanted him to be a hero. it's dru who gives him his swagger, his confidence, his love for life, who encouraged his romanticism and adored his poetics. it's not that she groomed or built him, but just that she saw all that potential already in there and facilitated it and nurtured it. sure in a fucked up vampire way but still.

[idolomantises]

I’ve said this before, but I always found stories that frame heaven as “evil” and hell as “good” (or less bad) to be genuinely boring. I like more nuanced approaches to each realm.

I understand that for a lot of people, Christianity is a religion they like to criticize and mock, but I feel like if you don’t even understand the fundamentals of the religion, why even attempt to critique it?

[zenruu]

if you're still boiling a character as complex as alistair down to anything along the lines of: himbo, idiot, soft baby without an idea of his own, haha funny cheese man i'm straight up burning your house down with lasers and sending you directly to hell.

if you genuinely believe that man is stupid, all you're doing is admitting that you yourself cannot see beyond the incredibly transparent veil he wants to put over your eyes.

what he is is insecure, and he wants you to think he's stupid so that he doesn't have to live up to expectations he fears he won't meet. shortly after meeting him you can call him out on using humor to deflect and make himself smaller and he ADMITS IT.

he repeatedly shows you just how intelligent he is and how aware of the ways of the world he is. his history knowledge, his understanding of the chantry and its control of templars and mages that goes far beyond nearly anyone else we as the player speak with, his emotional intelligence when it comes to understanding others' intentions and needs... and this is just a thoughtless little post with quick examples i conjured up in five minutes! i'm not even doing a deep dive here! how do so many people miss all of this?

this is not advanced reading of subtext, it's incredibly simple and i'm completely unsure how people don't understand this about him.

he's such a great character for so many reasons - his flaws being some of those reasons - but a lack of intelligence is simply not one of those flaws no matter how you spin it.

[linkcharacter]

Oh I have so many thoughts on aroace Curly, I think it brings so much on the table when analyzing the game's story.

Amanormativity ties in with the reoccurring mentions of the nuclear family, from Wrong Organ making 1950s mock advert posters, to Swansea talking about how getting a wife and kids didn't bring him any fulfillment in life.

In the cake cutting nightmare sequence, where Jimmy talks with Dream Curly about the mediocre cake, Dream Curly begins to talk about how sometimes you can only get the subpar stuff in live. Sometimes he'll get promoted, buy a house, fall in love. But other times he'll just have some awful fucking cake with his friend.

I think there is that subtle implication that Jimmy does buy into Amanormativity, with him projecting his beliefs on Dream Curly that a platonic relationship is lesser then a romantic one. But we never see Curly suggesting that he wants such a thing in the pre-crash.

With Jimmy thinking that Curly has everything in life, except for the desire (although I think Jimmy would view it as Curly not having the skills for it) to get a romantic partner, he would heavily lean into getting the one thing that Curly couldn't get in life to one up him.

THATS EXACTLY WHAT IM THINKING!!! AMATONORMATIVITY BE DAMNED!!!!

Looking at Mouthwashing through an aroace lens is interesting

"Jimmy thinking that Curly has everything in life, except for the desire", well said, well said! And references to the nuclear family fit in very cleanly thematically for Mouthwashing.

Jimmy leaning into amatonormativity is a smart observation. Jim internalizes all the social norms and standards on what you have to do to have a normal and desirable life, who sees everything Curly has and what Jimmy wishes he had, and is offended that Curly isn't satisfied, that he has the "audacity" to be unhappy. Curly meanwhile only wishes for his life to be something he doesn't have to run from, because by all means, he has already reached a point where he should feel accomplished, but isn't. Curly doesn't want to be a freighter captain his whole life, he doesn't want to settle with his sustainable position, he just wants to be happy. Like Swansea who has reached the "ideal" outcome of his life, having a wife, kids and a good career, it will never feel as good as embracing all what society deems undesirable yet right for you.

Jimmy does imply to seeing himself as lesser as a friend, "fall in love" being a goal and a "cake with a friend" being something he "has to settle for", it's all in the subtleties with underlying themes of "what you're "supposed to want" by society's expectations" against "what feels right for you". Jimmy is frustrated that Curly is going to "leave the dirt behind him", when in actuality, letting the crew and him go is the last thing Curly wants. Curly wants to be with his friends, he deeply cares about his crew, and about his close friend.

Mouthwashing as a whole reads to me as platonic through and through. Swansea and Daisuke having such a meaningful familial bond, Curly and Anya being sweet, playful and caring without romance, Anya and Daisuke having something of a siblings dynamic are dear to me. Also it's really rare to get to see representations of "toxic friendship" in media. Its always toxic romance this, toxic yaoi that, toxic family there, however in reality, friendships aren't excluded from being as rotten and abusive as the others, yet they're often overlooked. Jim and Curly are especially unique in this way. It's very impressive how they managed to showcase Jimmy's mistreatment of Curly in such a platonic way (at least that how I read it). Jim too, like Curly, in general avoids hints at romance and attraction explicitly related to him during his gameplay, not with Curly, nor with Anya (dear god thanks for that at least). It's all spite, annoyance and parasitizing off of these two. (That man's dry and lowkey hates everyone and everything) No attraction attached, no desires except hoping it hurts.

Curly to me is very much aroace, or at least on the spectrum. Like, the trivia fact that one of Curly's fondest memories is that of his friends putting in effort to make a shitty awful cake, tells us all we need to know on how dear his friends are to him. Platonic relationships mean so much to Curly, even when it's Jimmy fucking Mouthwashing, the worst friend ever imaginable.

[allpiesforourown]

The fact that Shen Jiu felt safe around Ning Yingying and doted on her because she reminded him of Qiu Haitang .

I can't take it. He missed his friend so bad

[robotgutzz]

Shirt :) Chirp:) Chump :) You know - the anxious one, from Inner Milds? My half of an art trade with @shiningsapph1re!

and.. also an excuse to throw my headcanons onto Chert.

[baybeeimconfused]

something that endlessly bugs me in disco elysium fan works is when people make jean put to be some kind of vindictive angry asshole like no all of you misunderstood him PLEASE.

he so so clearly cares about harry but harry has dragged that man through the mud and hurt him so many times that jean just cant do it anymore. he's not mean because he hates harry its the opposite hes loves him so much it hurts

[applesapplesappless]

i dont understand why fanon portrays light yagami as this infuriating person to be around

​on the inside his personality is…uh…but that doesnt matter cause you wouldnt see that unless he was in the midst of a mental breakdown which youre not likely to witness. he tends to keep himself composed in public

he was very popular and avoided suspicion from the task force for 5 years so he knows very well how to present himself properly. he wasnt a jock or a bully. he was popular because he was a smart, nice, and chill dude. he was the type of guy who would help you with your homework without making you feel stupid. who would be studious and a good person but also fun to be around.

even when that no longer came naturally to him, he replicated it well and you most likely wouldnt be able to see through the cracks. even ryuk noticed the significant change in how light behaved when interacting with another person

[comatosebunny09]

I started writing a horror fic titled “someone lives behind the house,” starring Sylus as a feral human/dragon hybrid who offers anyone who’s wronged you as a corpse on your porch. At first, it’s unnerving and terrifying that this creature offers you mangled bodies and jewelry crafted from human bones like a love confession. But eventually, you grow fond of him, and let’s just say you’ve become pretty decent at dissolving and burying human remains to protect him. That fic will probably never see the light of day.

[laiosito]

I’m addicted to him I think….

cutie, why do you look like that stupid

How could anyone hate you, kabru 💔

[lgbtrill]

Elim Garak is NOT your daddy dom he needs dick like he needs air

[algortroj]

very old laezel/shart art. sharing clothes!

[taitavva]

scrapped submission for 2023 shuake week