#gryffindor primary model

[k-she-rambles]

since I'm on a temeraire kick...sortinghatchats thoughts!

Laurence: Gryffindor/Hufflepuff with an incredibly strong Bird Primary model. Behaves like a Burned Lion --possibly a deeply underdeveloped one?

Temeraire: Slytherin/Ravenclaw (with a Lion Primary model?)

Granby: Slytherin/Hufflepuff

Tharkay: Ravenclaw/Slytherin, mirroring Temeraire. (not totally certain about his primary)

Jane Roland: Double Snake (aviators tend towards snake it seems

Bonus Rankin my Beloathed: double badger

Laurence analysis under the cut:

• first instinct for Lawrence was Ravenclaw/Gryffindor. I thought 'that man will be himself if it kills him' (ran away twice to join the navy), a sure sign of a Lion Secondary, and he relies heavily on Structures of right and wrong, a Bird Primary trait.

But then I thought about it. Bird Primaries are relatively okay with what they believe in being disproved. They don't like it, but if they find they have to modify or replace some of the moral or philosophical structures they rely on, they're going to be glad to have learned better much sooner than another Primary would.

Lion Primaries though...they carry their beliefs deep in their hearts, and attacks on those beliefs feel, to them, like attacks on their hearts. When Laurence discovers that something he believes is morally wrong, the most positive reaction he ever has is grief. To truly excise something rotten that Laurence believes, you have to cut him open.

As for the good, he feels incredibly guilty for abandoning his Bird structures, but not as guilty as he does when he realizes he's not doing what he knows in his heart to be right.

With his secondary, it's not so much that Laurence will be himself if it kills him, but that he believes in Showing Up no matter what. He's going to be there doing something, no matter where "there" is--he holds himself and those around him to that standard. That's Badger Sec! As a result, Badger Secondaries tend to attract people resources --both allies and enemies. Badgers do this mostly without noticing. If that's not Laurence...

[keeperofmemory]

sorting the moving (무빙) parents into the sortinghatchats system - a quick character analysis

(if you’re new to this theory, your primary house is about why you do things, while your secondary house is about how you do things. you can take the quiz here — it’s fun!) 

[!!! spoilers below !!!]

jang juwon: [hufflepuff primary / gryffindor secondary + hufflepuff model]

“boss, was it about money in the end?”  “what else would it be? being a gangster is a job. (…) aren’t we all here to make money?" “no. i did it to protect our boys"

juwon, juwon, juwon, steel-skinned, soft-hearted monster of a man, who uses 존댓말 and doesn’t see jihee any differently because she is a person like any other, who’s in a gang for the sole purpose of protecting his boys. jang juwon is a hufflepuff primary because he treats people fairly and he belongs, he does not own. hufflepuff primaries value community, and bond to groups, rather than solely individuals, which you can see in his mentality regarding his gang. they’re his people, like he is theirs. they are together, and they are home, what do you mean you aren't here for nothing else but each other? 

of course, the ones he considers his end up betraying him, and he loses his way. (his hufflepuff primary burns, if you will. it is now safer to be alone.) where does he go when he has no home anymore? he does not know. but he finds jihee, and for the first time it feels like he knows where to go. (it does not solve everything, not really, but it is close enough.) 

in the end, he feels the most at home when he is part of team. and when the NIS is shut down and he is put inside walls in front of a screen that never listens, and a keyboard too small for his clumsy fingers, he feels lost again. this is not people, this is cold, lifeless walls, none of them he can run through. the team of superpowered people he later gets put in doesn’t feel exactly right, not really, but he is using what he is good at to help people, and that is the closest he can get to that feeling.

his secondary is a gryffindor; he runs into walls until the walls break, for it is the only way he’s ever known to get through things. (gryff secondaries meet their problems by charging at them, by responding directly to situations.) he has only ever chosen the easiest way, after all, and for a man whose body doesn’t break, simply running into things was the obvious easiest way. why change, why think, when he can simply push through and get through it anyway?

(he does model a hufflepuff secondary, once it's only him and his daughter. he does it for her, gives up everything to build her a better life. it's about doing the work, about showing up. it's odd jobs but honest jobs, moving constantly but still putting in the effort to show steadiness and consistency, to give his daughter a home despite the possibility of the NIS finding them at any moment.)

hwang jihee: [slytherin primary + gryffindor model / gryffindor secondary]

jihee is a healthy slytherin primary if i’ve ever seen one. she advocates for herself, (and she has to, doesn't she? or else nobody else will. not in the line of work she is,) puts herself and her dignity first despite it all. she does have a sense of justice (“that car hit and ran? did it hit you? do you want me to chase it?”) but it doesn’t eat her whole ("but if we find the culprit we split the money:)”) — it’s a nice gryff primary model she likes being in when her slytherin loyalties are not threatened.

juwon is the first person to see her fully as a person, and not a coffee lady. it softens her up immediately. — it doesn't make her fall for him, of course, nor does it get him into her circle. (if it did, she wouldn’t be a slytherin primary). she is a smart girl who advocates for herself, after all. but once he does, he does not leave. she will run into a mob of gangsters and disregard the police for him, will tell him to put himself first, even if it means having a more difficult life for both of them. because putting yourself, and the people that are yours, first, is what matters in the end.

she has a gryffindor secondary she shares with her husband. she can hold her tongue and be perfectly polite, but in the end her problems will be met head on. what other house would throw itself in 100+ mobsters without a plan? she said to hell with it, she’ll figure it out on the way.

gryff secondaries’ honesty is part of their personality and morality — jihee has seen the men play the sappy part only for their own selfish gain, and hates it deeply within her core. once she sees juwon isn’t pretending to be anyone but himself (he is also a gryffindor secondary after all) —  a simple man who reads books on stories where men are bloody but loved, who is willing to buy a ticket to simply share conversations with her  — she finally lets him in, slowly but surely. (her slytherin recognizes that he is also someone the world has shunned for who he is, for the labels they have stuck on him, and she embraces him warmly. he is hers now. and she is his.)

their kid is a gryff/gryff btw . she houseshares with her bf’s dad n i think that’s rlly cute . (her bf houseshares with her dad so . soulmates or whatever)

lee mihyun [gryffindor primary / ravenclaw secondary]

lee mihyun lee mihyun lee mihyun, who uses her powers like she uses her gun, carrying them around and doing the maintenance of each part every night. some would call it overdoing it, but she calls it a habit, calls it being prepared. (and amidst the very real danger that looms above her, can you blame her?) they're all tools she has on her, and years of training have taught her when to use which to get out of a situation with the upper hand. she's a ravenclaw secondary, the house that collects knowledge, tools or skills and then picks them up in times of need. she scouts for danger daily on social media, assesses the situation from a vantage point to collect intel; and yes, she's an agent, at this point it's probably second nature. but this is where she's most comfortable, pulling out from her pocket the information she gathered and the problem-solving systems she’s built whenever she gets tossed into danger.

lee mihyun’s specific brand of claw secondary has her being an adaptable problem solver — understandable, considering her tool set includes her heightened senses (six: her five senses and her common sense) and her gun (make that seven), as well as her general training as a black op agent. however, ravenclaw secondary tools are task-specific. sure, she can take out several enemy agents on her own with nothing but a gun and the strap of her handbag, but have her son bring a new pretty friend home and you’ll have her like a deer in headlights. (...the NIS did not prepare her for this)

her primary is a gryffindor, and it’s what makes her turn away from being an agent even after everything that’s on the line. it doesn’t matter, that she’s running away from the most powerful government agency, not if it’s the right thing to do. (it tires her, after losing her husband and having to do it all on her own. but she doesn't burn, not fully —she can't, not with her son still by her side.) now gryff primaries believe in trusting yourself and your gut, in doing so even if the whole world (or several hundred government agents) is against you. at the end of the day, the most important things is staying true to what’s inside of you. 

so in that fateful moment when the mission was clear, the orders indisputable, she turned away from her organization, her boss, her colleagues, to do what she felt was right. gun in her hand, she said to hell with consequences, i have to stay true to what i believe in — these people are enemies, but they are people and what we’re doing right now is wrong. (from afar, her future husband will see her act upon everything he had been feeling until then, will see a braver reflection of his own gryff primary, and he will fall in love.) 

kim dooshik [gryffindor primary/gryffindor secondary]

kim dooshik is a bit harder to sort; we really don’t see him as much as we could have. he has a gryffindor primary he shares with his wife; their whole story is about finding someone who believes in the same thing they do, stuck in an organization that tells them otherwise. he can look hufflepuff, in the way he values people and fairness — but the core of gryff primaries is about trusting your beliefs and doing your best to live by them. it’s about the bravery to pursue them, even if it leads him to a life of being chased, and captured, and tortured (…literally). 

he has a gryffindor secondary to go with it. that time he tried to diffuse the bomb on a civilian plane under no orders but his own? no orders, no plans, just him flying and trying to save people? very gryff/gryff of him. he also shares a lion secondary with his partner and they play off each other very well. (dooshik casually just letting juwon fall several hundred miles from the sky into where the enemies are and letting him figure it out… #justgryffsecondarybrosthingz)

sure, sure, one could argue for a ravenclaw secondary — but i think that’s just him being an agent. of course he would train and strategize. of course he would have backup plans. but at the end of the day, the method he falls back on is his charging, making it up as he goes. most of all, it’s his blunt honesty, his genuineness that we see shine in his actions. (even in the way he pursues mihyun — not a single disingenuous bone in his body) 

at the end of the day, he’ll rush into a problem when he believes it is right, no matter the consequences. he’ll fly into the enemy’s hands to protect his family, spend years imprisoned in a cave not faltering in his beliefs. a gryff/gryff through and through. 

[nicos-oc-hell]

IDENTITY

Full name: Anatoly Anthony Perphyra

Nicknames: Ana, Tony

Date of birth: March 13th, 1960

Gender: Male

Sexuality: Straight

Blood status: half-blood

Ethnicity/Race: hafling, caucasian

Nationality: Scottish

MAGIC & HOGWARTS

House: Gryffindor

Wand: Beech wood with a phoenix feather core, 12 ¾ and paliant flexibility

Quidditch: chaser

Patronus: Dolphin

Prefect: 4-7

COMING OF AGE (15 years old):

Magic channeler: his wand

Animal form: cat/dog thing (art by @giulialibard)

Specialty (fire, ice, illusions, etc): creation

Job: Baker while he’s in New Zealand/a model when he’s back in Scotland

APPEARANCE AND VOICE

Faceclaim: child- Erik Per Sullivan, teen- Justin Berfield, Adult- Colin Farrell

Height: 5’9

Hair color: white (dyed it black)

Hair style:

Eye color: light green

Skin tone: olive

Scars: just some deep scratches from when he tried to pick up a niffler

Distinguishing marks: his hair when he doesn’t dye it

Clothing style:

Voice claim: Colin Farrell

Languages understood: English, Arabic and Greek

Languages spoken: English and Greek

PERSONALITY

Favorites:

Color: royal blue

Food: Shawarma

Weather: windy

Books: Hobbit, The Great Gatsby, The Catcher in the Rye, Lord of the Flies

Hobbies: baking, crocheting, making little creations with his magic

Music: Michael Jackson

Dislikes: Severus Snape and pomegranate 

RELATIONSHIP

Father: Viktor Perphyra Sr

Mother: Elizabeth Somerset (@camillejeaneshphm)

Siblings:

Viktor Perphyra Jr

Pietro Perphyra

Pet(s): Jebron and Sinncere’s cats and dogs

S/O: Ashley Lestrange

Children:

Jebron Perphya

Sinncere Perphyra

Friends: Lucius Malfoy, Narcissa Black, Bellatrix Black, Alvar and Raimund Lestrange, James Potter and Remus Lupin

It’s complicated: Sirius Black

Doormates: James Potter, Sirius Black, Remus Lupin and Peter Pettigrew

FACTS

Has a weird rivalry with Sirius for some reason, they were always competing in everything

Can not stand his brothers or father (automatically makes him a mama’s boy)

Moved to New Zealand solely to spite his father

Opened up a bakery in New Zealand because he was bored being home all day and crocheting random things that came to his mind

People person

Loves blueberries but can’t have them in the house because Jebron is allergic to them

Allergic to owls

Loves to one up the moms in the boys primary school, ex; When the boys got their Hogwarts letters, Anatoly could not stop himself from saying “Well my boys got accepted to a private school in Scotland” (Ashley calls him petty and childish)

He has done every sport imaginable simply because the boys wanted to try that sport

[painted-crow]

hey so i'm looking to figure my sorting out. i'm p sure of my secondary but honestly i've gone in circles so many times that i'd believe anything lmao

so i guess to start like. i'm fairly sure i'm an idealist, but with a twist. i care about making the world a better place-- i'm kinda infamous among my friends for being a little TOO outspoken about my opinions. on a small scale, i have strong opinions about a lot of things, but on a larger scale... idk. i don't think any one person can know what an ideal world looks like cause there really is no such thing. there are literally countless variables when it comes to implementing even small systems, countless ways to fuck it up, so i don't think i'd be choosing some grand ideal over the people i love anytime soon.

that being said, i think my idealist streak gets directed into something else most of the time. i'm very focused on understanding myself to a fault. i want to know why i do the things i do, why i believe certain things over others. when it comes to my beliefs about the world, they're strong but take it or leave it, but when it comes to myself they are not a good idea to push. i've ended relationships over not feeling like myself with them or feeling like i'm losing myself or they're pushing me to be someone i'm not. i make strong instant decisions about what the "right" thing to do is when it comes to how it impacts my perception of myself, especially with intimate relationships (i'm a lot less impulsive with things like friends and things i'm less personally involved in). i NEED to know who i am, way more than i care about any one specific person or thing. obviously i love people very deeply and would do just about anything to have both, but if i don't know who i am, if i'm not true to myself, then i have nothing. losing people happens.

the issue is, because i'm prone to doing that and not thinking as much about how it'll impact people, i've been called selfish a lot over my lifetime. recently i've started thinking more about how my actions impact people and their feelings, and i'm feeling a lot more torn. i want to do what i want to do, what i feel is best, but i feel immature for doing it a lot. i've started worrying a lot about being a bad person and hurting people, and i've been thinking about how the "right" way to be is. i went through a phase where i was repressing myself to make the "moral" choice, but i just felt so flat. ultimately i realized that it doesn't really matter how good i am if i have to repress myself to get there, cause then all it is is performance. tldr is i feel super guilty for making "selfish" choices rn, especially as i've gotten more aware of other peoples' feelings.

what i think is probably going on is that i'm an idealist primary with a badger model, but i'm not sure between lion and bird, and i'm still open to badger. pretty sure i'm not a snake.

the section on my secondary's gonna be a lot shorter, sorry this got so long! so i'm p sure i'm a badger secondary. considered lion and snake secondary too. whatever i am, i have a p loud lion model over it. i've always had a gift for making people trust me, for acting. i kinda blend in and become what i need to to both help them and get them off my back so i can do what i need to do. i have a serious passion for helping people with tough love (i like to think of myself as a p good advice giver, since i can both tell people what they need to hear and really get in their shoes and be kind where other people might not). i think i judge myself the least when i can kinda toe that line between pushing boundaries and stepping back-- i track where peoples' boundaries are constantly so i can push them to the limit without stepping over them. i'm very fluid when it comes to presentation in reality, even though i think people actually think of me as kinda controversial. i tend to see people who are ACTUALLY overstepping boundaries as lowkey selfish at times, even though i also really respect them. i like to do things the "right" way as long as i give a shit about them. the catch is, i don't want to blend into the background, and i don't think i do. a partner of mine called me a fox cause he noticed the way i constantly toe that line where i can get people to notice me and still keep them off my back, still make them comfortable. i'm also NOT a planner. people constantly give me shit for only ever feeling things out in the moment, and honestly thinking about the future freaks me out. i don't want to plan how i do shit i'd rather just get in the zone and figure it out from there. tldr i'm pretty sure i'm a badger secondary? but i could be convinced of snake. definitely see elements of both but my gut's telling me badger so take that how you will

anyway! thank you so much for taking the time to answer this, i know it's a lot.

also sorry one thing i forgot to add about my secondary! i think my lion model got so loud because when i do the shifty presentation thing, i have a tendency to lose myself and start perceiving myself as whatever i'm presenting. it's made it really hard to figure out who i actually am and so i started just being as clear about it as possible.

for my primary, i really care a lot about being right. i try to take every side into consideration to make sure i get the best conclusion. i can be super stubborn when it comes to certain things, but i don't want to just... hold to perceptions that are wrong. that being said it's important to me to trust my gut and i take it as a big input. i'm very felt out for most things, don't really have a strong system of how to be. i really wanna be able to trust myself but i just don't. i have a big habit of relying on other people to tell me what to think, which is uh. yeah.

Primary

You're a Bird primary with a Lion model, and you're trying on some Badger ideals. That's one of the easier Sorts I've done, lol! Possibly because your primary and models actually House match mine :p

Your reasoning process screams Bird xD and so does your writing style and just the length of the ask. Birds love self-analysis, it's part of how we make sure our systems stay as close to true as we can make them.

You've got some Lion too, but it's a model. It sounds like your Lion and your Bird have come into conflict before, and like most Birds with Lion models, it bugs the snot out of you when your Lion's intuition (which is important data!) doesn't line up with what your Bird knows.

You've prioritized Bird's conclusions before, but (as with many Birds) you don't entirely trust your own system and you're wondering if your Lion might have been right and you should give its reasoning more weight.

Also, you're consciously deciding that maybe Badgers' way of doing things is more moral than yours, and you're pulling in some of those ideals. That doesn't make you a Badger primary. Birds are notorious for this kind of thing actually 😂

The line between whether some ideals you've pulled into your Bird system vs. what counts as a model is fuzzy. It's up to you really, how important those pieces of Badger are to you.

For me, I think the line might be--is it wired into your sense of self on its own, or does it get filtered through your Bird and Lion? It really sounds like your Lion is a strong part of your sense of self: if you ignore its advice, you feel not totally like yourself. You don't have to feel all your models equally strongly, but thinking of it that way might help.

(It's also hard because Birds often feel like they kind of are their systems, or they are their ability to reason, that's a core part of their identity. ...It's complicated.)

Secondary

You sound really really Snakey. I'm not sure where you're getting Badger, actually!

Badgers are more than the mirroring ability. They also bury themselves in work or community, and it can sometimes look like they're neck deep in so many responsibilities that they couldn't possibly handle any more problems--and then they do have a problem, they do need something, and they stand up and all that stuff they were buried in turns out to be armor and tools.

Snakes, otoh, are improvisational and tend to be very aware of their surroundings. Unlike Badgers, the Snake brand of social shapeshifting involves a lot of keeping track of other people's reactions to what they're doing--trying something and then watching the response, then adjusting, rinse and repeat. You turn yourself into exactly the right person for this situation.

Badger mirroring is usually simpler. You reflect the other person's energy back at them: it's an empathetic response that says we're alike, I accept you, you're safe. A lot of Badgers do this without thinking--it can be hard to turn off.

Snakes also don't go in for prep work as much, it tends to trip them up (Snakes with Badger or Bird models notwithstanding). They're Improvisational secondaries, unlike Bird and Badger which are Built and rely heavily on some form of preparation.

The Lion model sounds legit, but just check for yourself: you might be learning to use Snake's neutral state. Snakes will sometimes drop all their layers of acting and maneuvering and suddenly they're just themselves. Different Snakes have different relationships with neutral state. For some Snakes, it's a relief to drop the mask; for others, it feels vulnerable and they only trust certain people with their full authenticity.

It does sound like you really admire Lion secondaries, though, so you might indeed have a model there! This is just something else you could check on.

Hope that helps!

- Paint

[air-in-words]

My Sorting Hat Chats Journey

So, hi! I'm back!

I've been doing fun stuff off in the real world, but I decided to talk a little bit about my own Sorting Hat Chats sorting journey, and how it says a lot about self-acceptance, and how understanding who you really are can sometimes only come from being an active participant in life. Here we goooo...

The Beginning

So, my initial sorting was a Burnt Badger/Bird. This had struck me, because I'd never considered myself a Badger in ANY media. I was seen by my friends as a borderline loner, someone who didn't need anyone else. And yet, all the signs were there.

Looking back on my life, I've always migrated in groups, always looked for a nesting ground, and truly that's all I want. A place to nest, a place to rest, where I can feel safe and surrounded by people who love me. But, after a childhood filled with bullying, I found myself embarrassed of my bold face need for friends, and, for some reason, decided getting too close to people for too long was unwise, so I could probably never have a permanent home. And yet, I always found myself in these little "groups," little packs of people that all travel together.

I've always had these friend groups, where everyone knows each other, we all hang out together, and yet it always manages to eventually fall apart. I asked one of my friends how this keeps happening, and who keeps setting up these groups. She blinked sort of vaguely and said, "uh, you do." It was such a strange realization to look back and see myself as the "shepherd" I was, always creating a flock wherever I went. I had always been the spoke of my friend wheels, the only one that was friends with everyone, or actively tried to be friends with everyone. And I would attempt to hold it together, but it would always ultimately shatter, and I'd leave to find and form another. Family is important to me, and it isn't enough for me to bond with one person. I like for all my friends to be friends with each other, for us all to hang out together and enjoy each other's company.

So, although I still struggle, Burnt Badger came out on top, and I believe is still at the top to this day. I still search for belonging. I still search for family. And, yet, my heart seems to have no intention of unburning. Until recently, I had no idea why.

On the other hand, the secondary I received, Bird, seemed to fit like a glove, and was very obvious to me. I've been called the Encyclopedia before, I was made fun of for being caught reading the dictionary like it was a book, and I always seem to have a "fun fact" for every occasion. And all of this seemed to flow directly into me trying to use these facts and this knowledge to win people over, to get to see me as someone that could be their friend, or that I could be reliable as a member of their "group." So, Burnt Badger/Bird simply made sense. The reasons for me avoiding unburning my primary were irrelevant.

The Now

I'd been gone from this side of Tumblr for a bit, and decided to return on a whim. Saw @wisteria-lodge still posting as much as ever, and saw a lot of my posts had been passed around in the meantime (thank ya by the way) and decided to dive back in, because since then, so much of my life has changed. I've had certain people out of my life for a while that were a hindrance on my self-acceptance, I've moved out of my childhood home, and left a job I've had for the past 5 years. I've been forced to constantly LIVE, to make choices, actual choices, and have been offered the chance to be who I truly am, unapologetically.

So, I took the quiz again, curious if I would come up any different.

I got Burnt Badger/Burnt Snake.

This time, I was almost insulted. A flush of memories, of past feelings came to me, most of all the need to push back, to insist in exasperation I'M NOT A LIAR, as though I was tired of defending myself. As hard as I tried, I somehow couldn't seem to get Bird secondary to reappear.... at all. Which was so crazy, because before, that was pretty much all I could get.

So, I went to the experts, the aforementioned wisteria-lodge and @sortinghatchats .

I looked through the Snake secondary tags and found myself lost in memories I had pushed down, so far down even I couldn't find them, wracked with shame and a need to hide this side of myself, something I'd hidden so well I'd pretty much convinced myself it had never existed.

Being a Bird had always been a choice for me. I decided that was what people must want, becoming intelligent, knowing all of these things, showing off, that would make people like me. But, although I can devour books like nobody's business, and I tend to worry and whinge before every major decision, feeling unprepared, I would always find myself falling short of my own expectations. The amount of times I'd promised myself and others to create a plan and study hard, ultimately fail to do so, and then lie to everyone about it was astounding. My public image continued to be "air-in-words the smart girl" but my private image was still LIAR and FAKE.

I would still somehow get all A's. I was very good at remembering facts and excellent at taking tests. I always thought of them like little tricks themselves, meant to trip you up, but if you paid attention, you could figure out the patterns and be able to bluster your way through stuff you might not even fully understand. You can figure out certain words through context clues, and I was always very comfortable trusting my memory with little preparation beforehand. And yet, I still lied and told everyone I'd studied, at least as a child, before high school.

Math was what eventually messed me up, and sent my self-image whirling into the ground. My grades suddenly went from straight A's to D's and F's. My parents were aghast, what had happened??? I was so intelligent, so smart, such a good student. What had gone wrong?? And, although I never admitted it outloud to them, I knew the answer. With math, you can't trick your way out. You either know how to do it and give the right answer, or you don't. And I had never studied a day in my life, never practiced, never worked hard at all. It was my horrible little secret and math had outed me. It continues to out me, because rather than actually work at it and get better, I managed to keep my grades through high school afloat by leaning on my other grades and taking remedial math courses with a teacher who loved me very much and would let me off easy. To this day, honestly, I can barely count. I might actually have some form of dyscalculia, but I know that if I were willing to try a little harder I could get better. But, why would I do that, when this way works just fine? Just coasting through? But, again, no one could know. Not even myself.

Through high school, I began letting people in on my secret Snake, because being a "slacker" was suddenly cool. I still couldn't let my parents know, or the teachers, but coming clean about not being a keener was what earned me new friend groups. I wasn't some weirdo who actually studied all the time: I was a kid who maybe did 60-70% of my homework and slid by on my good memory and general interest in learning. And my reputation. My reputation was key to my success.

College would be the thing that completely threw me to the ground. There were simply too many sirens singing at me, distractions pulling me away from my work. I'd never looked less like a Bird than in college. I was always skipping class, always not studying, and in fact, would openly fail most of my courses. And I just didn't seem to care. I slid into what I guess must have been a sort of neutral zone, but I wasn't happy. The mask was slipping off and I needed out. I couldn't keep up this charade anymore. It was stifling, trying to be a Bird, going to college for a very Bird degree, surrounded by actual Birds, it was all very much what I didn't want. I wanted something less "academic," less, well, boring. Maybe more Snake like.

And, so, here we are. Currently dropped out of college, living in an apartment with my friend, away from my parents' prying eyes, and with a new job that I chose for myself. On the brink of finally understanding myself, and maybe accepting myself as I am.

My Badger primary is burned because of my Snake secondary. Because I thought I was a sham, a liar, a con, and I didn't feel like I deserved to have people close to me. Those traits are bad, and I was a bad person. No one should be tricked by me.

But, after reading some of the stories from the experts and other Snake secondaries, I found this crazy thought, that perhaps being this way isn't a bad thing. Maybe I'm not a bad person. Maybe it's okay to be who I am. Maybe I can use these "powers" for good, and they aren't inherently evil.

So, at least for now, I'm choosing to identify as Burnt Badger/Burnt Snake with Bird Model. Seeing how it feels to accept myself and not try and force myself to be who I think I should be, or who others want me to be (which is a Snake secondary thing in the first place. Lol!)

For Fun, Here's Some Crazy Actual Snake Secondary Things I've Done That I'm Trying to Be Less Ashamed of Now

When I was little, I used to make up crazy stories about things I'd done to seem more interesting. The one that makes me cringe the most is that my uncle has a statue in his backyard that comes to life and goes on adventures with me. My uncle DID have a statue in his backyard that I really loved but no, it didn't (and still hasn't) come to life.

Some of these, I can't explain, like this one, where I somehow had more than one teacher convinced I'd handed in every piece of homework before the one I was giving them the sob story about that day. I literally had a teacher look me in the face, tell me I'd been handing in my homework really well thus far and knew I was trustworthy, so they'd let me slide with no mark against me. Meanwhile, I had missed the homework for the past THREE WEEKS IN A ROW. I just smiled and let it go. Variations of this situation happened throughout high school and college. And, no, I had no good reason not to do the homework. I just didn't want to do it. Lol.

I usually live in the "neutral state" around my close friends, since I think it's disrespectful not to be straight with them, but I have had to turn it on to help them occasionally. One of my friends was having issues with an ex of hers, she was thinking that maybe she should go back out with the guh, and I had been my blunt, neutral self the whole time, telling her flat out that that was a bad idea. But, it wasn't working. "Neutral state" isn't like a Lion's forceful natural state, I guess. So, I decided I would have to push her in a certain direction to help her get through it. I told her she should go back out with him, and although she did sort of call me out for lying, knowing I didn't actually want that, I told her she should if she really think she should. The dude didn't last one date without showing his ass again, and she thanked me for making her do that. Lol.

Finally, at least for this list, my most prized shameful memory, is when I was taking an acting class in college. We were supposed to create a wordless scene as our final, and I hadn't prepared anything, so I just skipped the day we were supposed to do them. But, I decided to show up for the last day to see if I could still somehow pass. She's going through the grades, and looks up and asks me, "I don't have anything written down for you, I can't remember, did you give a performance or not?" I knew I hadn't then, but decided to give one now. I told her yes I had done one, don't you remember came up with a name on the fly. The same friend from the last story was staring at me like she was about to burst. She thought for a moment, then exclaimed, "ah, of course! Yes, I think I remember. I remember you'd done pretty well. What grade did I give you?" I hedged my bets and said A-. Lol. I had never been filled with more pride shame in my life.

[wisteria-lodge]

Character Analysis - Sorting Sherlock Holmes (Sir Arthur Conan Doyle)

a quick note on why I’m moving away from the HP terminology

So @sortinghatchats is brilliant. Absolutely my favorite character (and person!) analysis system. Instead of one house, you get two - a PRIMARY (your motivation, why you do things), and a SECONDARY (your toolbox, how you get things done.) A very stripped down refresher --

IDEALIST PRIMARY Lion/Gryffindor - I do what I feel is right. (MORAL) Bird/Ravenclaw - I do what I decide is correct. (LOGICAL) LOYALIST PRIMARY Badger/Hufflepuff - I do what helps my community (PEOPLE MATTER) Snake/Slytherin - I do what helps me/my inner circle (MY PEOPLE MATTER)

IMPROVISATIONAL SECONDARY Lion/Gryffindor- Charge! React! Smash the system! Snake/Slytherin- Transform, adapt, find the loophole. BUILT SECONDARY Bird/Ravenclaw - Plan, make tools, gather information. Badger/Hufflepuff - Community-build, caretake, call in favors.

Now let’s talk Sherlock Holmes!!!

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Mycroft Holmes has a terrifying Bird secondary. He knows everything. He sees everything. He holds all the information in his head, all the time, and can tell you exactly how it connects. “Spymaster Mycroft” didn’t become proper fanon until 1970: in the books he’s more like a human computer, or a Mentat from Dune. This man is incapable of improvising. He hates casual conversation, hates changing his routine, just wants to sit and process and plan. He is the cartoon version of a Bird secondary.  

Mycroft is so insanely ‘big picture’ that he barely notices specific individuals. He’s off in in the corner thinking about currency regulation and the situation in Siam. In “The Greek Interpreter” he hears about a woman who might be starving to death… and sort of vaguely puts it on his to-do list. Sherlock ends up handling it.

You could make a case for either a Bird or Lion primary. But I’m going with Lion. Mycroft values instinct like Lions do (”All my instincts are against this explanation.”) And Sherlock describes him as someone who “would rather be considered wrong than take the trouble to prove himself right.” This is teasing, but it’s a joke about a Lion who just sort of feels the answer, not a Bird who needs a reason to be correct. Mycroft’s Cause, the one we see him respond to emotionally, is the smooth functioning of his world. He has a little pocket carved out for his brother, but if he had to choose between the country that he embodies and Sherlock Holmes’ well-being, it’d be England every time.

Knowing that Mycroft has that much power but doesn’t care about individual people makes Sherlock... uncomfortable. It takes him a while to even mention his brother to Watson. And then he lies about how important Mycroft’s job is. Thematically, this where Moriarty comes in. James Moriarty – the older genius hiding deep in the establishment, running a criminal empire from behind a tenured professorship, never getting his hands dirty – is Dark Mycroft. Because Sherlock is pretty sure his brother is one of the good guys. He’s pretty sure Mycroft isn’t going to break bad and go full-on ‘ends justify the means’ supervillain.

But… like… he could.

Sherlock Holmes is also defined by his Bird secondary. His deductions, data, knowledge of crime – it’s his loudest trait. But it’s a model. He tells us it’s a model. This “habit of observation and inference which I formed into a system” is something he built – and honestly, he probably built it for Mycroft. The Holmes brothers don’t do conversations, they have deduction games. Sherlock never wins, but at least he plays on Mycroft’s level.

(Everything about Sherlock Holmes makes more sense when you think about Mycroft. Like the “brain-attic” metaphor. How did Sherlock get this idea that there’s some fast-approaching limit to the actual pieces of information he can fit in his head at once? Because he knows someone with far, far greater processing power).

Underneath this logical Bird secondary model, Sherlock Holmes has something that looks a lot more Snake He’s moody and mercurial. He improvises on the violin to help himself think. He loves acting. He loves disguises. He crushes on Irene Adler because their Snake secondaries have so much fun playing together. And when it’s important, Holmes goes full-on Snake. Need to get Watson away from Moriarty? Better forge a letter sending him on a fake errand.

And as far as primaries go...  he’s a Badger. Sherlock Holmes cares about people. Oh wow does he care about people. If he doesn’t protect his client, it’s not a win – even if he solved the case with some brilliant bit of detection. He despises blackmailers, because they destroy lives in a cold, impersonal way. (At least murderers care.) He doesn’t mean to upset people with his deductions, and apologizes when he gets too coldly Bird: “Pray accept my apologies. Viewing the matter as an abstract problem, I had a forgotten how personal and painful a thing it might be to you.” When Watson talks about the “depth of loyalty and love which lay behind that cold mask,” Holmes is thirty seconds away from going vigilante killer because somebody hurt John Watson.

But the feeling isn’t just Watson-centric. Holmes doesn’t require Watson at his side the way a Snake would, because as long as he knows Watson is safe and happy, he is content. Holmes need-bases. It’s important that he works for people who need him. He generally dislikes working for the rich or upper-class (Soviet Russian Sherlock Holmes was totally a thing, they didn’t have to change much). He also has a *real* problem with overworking himself, which is very much a Badger primary and not Snake primary thing to do

He even community-builds. His Baker Street Irregulars, his connections over at Scotland yard, his tribe of interesting contacts and informants. Holmes values community. To him, community = safe. He loves London, but isolated rural areas makes him nervous:

“[in London] there is no lane so vile that the scream of a tortured child, or the thud of a drunkard’s blow, does not beget sympathy and indignation among the neighbors, and then the whole machinery of justice is ever so close that a word of complaint can set it going... But look at these lonely houses, each in its own fields… think of the deeds of hellish cruelty, the hidden wickedness which may go on, year in, year out, in such places, and none the wiser.”

And don’t get me wrong. Holmes loves his double Bird armor. It makes him feel powerful, and hides the fact that he cares so damn much. He likes to pretend he doesn’t: to care is to be weak, ineffective, and untrustworthy. (Mycroft is probably to blame for this bit of thinking too.) But Sherlock Holmes is still able to take off his Bird. He takes it off around Watson. 

Dr. John Watson is a bright charging Lion secondary who is completely incapable of telling a lie. He’s ex-military. He’s Holmes’ muscle/backup. He’s got a gambling problem. And the thing about Holmes and Watson’s dynamic is that while Holmes calls the shots about 90% percent of the time, when it’s important – Watson goes full unstoppable-force Lion. And Holmes just buckles.

“Well, I don’t like it ; but I suppose it must be,” said I. “When do we start?” “You are not coming.” “Then you are not going,” said I. “I give you my word of honor – and I never broke it in my life – that I will take a cab straight to the police station and give you away unless you let me share this adventure with you” “You can’t help me.” “How do you know that? You can’t tell what may happen. Anyway, my resolution is taken.” Holmes had looked annoyed, but his brow cleared, and he clapped me on the shoulder. “Well, well, my dear fellow, be it so.”

Watson’s absolutely a Lion Primary too. First going into medicine, then joining the army even when that’s not the best career move? At the beginning of A Study in Scarlet, Watson is in terrible shape. Can’t sleep. Can’t stand loud noises. He’s “spending such money as I had considerably more freely than I ought.” But it’s not so much the PTSD as it is the the lack of purpose that’s getting to him. He talks a lot about his “meaningless existence” and how how “objectiveless was my life.” That’s a hurting, burned Lion, without a Cause.

And then Sherlock Holmes stumbles in. Overnight Watson’s life has meaning. He is going to help Holmes bring criminals to justice. He is going to make sure Holmes gets the recognition he deserves. And he’s going to get him clean. (ACD gets massive kudos for being against recreational cocaine and morphine use). The things Watson loves about Holmes, things like his “high sense of professional honor” – those are things that get under the skin of a Lion Primary. This is a guy with pictures of abolitionist preachers framed on his wall. John Watson’s not subtle. 

“You don’t mind breaking the law?” [said Holmes] “Not in the least.” “Nor running a chance of arrest?” “Not in a good cause.” “Oh, the cause is excellent!” “Then I am your man.”

And of course, Holmes got lucky in Watson too. Holmes is a Loyalist primary who distrusts other Loyalist primaries – you can’t really blame him, he comes across so many repulsive ones in his day job. (Interestingly, the handful of times Holmes absolutely misreads a motive – “Yellow Face,” “Missing Three-Quarter,” “Scandal in Bohemia” – it’s because he’s going up against a Loyalist primary who is using their powers for good.) 

But Watson is a trustworthy, dependable, predicable, honorable, Idealist who can  look like a Loyalist because his Cause is so focused on one person. So Holmes can be secure in his doctor’s devotion while also getting to lean on the instincts of someone just unflinchingly moral.

tl;dr

Mycroft Holmes – Lion Bird. An extremely big picture Lion whose Cause involves keeping England together. He’s the light-side counterpart of Professor Moriarty.

Sherlock Holmes – Badger Snake. Builds a loud Double Bird model, partly for pleasure, partly have a relationship with his brother, and partly because dealing with so many low-life Loyalist primaries makes him distrust those instincts in himself.

Dr. John Watson - Double Lion. When we meet him he’s pretty burned, due to his twin Causes of Queen and Country not really working out. Luckily, he meets Sherlock Holmes, and finds a new Cause in him.

[saotome-michi]

Gryffindor Primary with a Ravenclaw Model 

“Think before you speak, read before you think, and then make the choice you feel is right.” 

[bolinity]

(i keep thinking about how I kept getting a hat stall between gryffindor and hufflepuff primaries for bolin in that sorting hat thing. It took me forever to decide which should be his main primary house and his model primary house lol

secondary was easy though.)

[viridianllamasinthesilentspace]

Sorting “Hadestown”

Our Hades cares about very few things, but when he cares, he cares intensely: Namely, about Persephone, Hadestown, and the system of rules he uses to govern it. The prequel song we get about his past with Persephone, Epic II, is a story about a Slytherin who “unpetrifies”. He starts off cruel and overly logical, made of metal and machines—

Heavy and hard is the heart of the king King of iron, king of steel The heart of the king loves everything Like the hammer loves the nail

—but upon meeting Persephone, he’s so struck by her beauty (and, we’ll assume, the beauty of her personality) that he unpetrifies.

But even that hardest of hearts unhardened Suddenly, when he saw her there Persephone, in her mother’s garden Sun on her shoulders, wind in her hair

The smell of the flowers she held in her hand And the pollen that fell from her fingertips And suddenly Hades was only a man With a taste of nectar upon his lips

This song also gives us a dual framing of Hades that gets developed throughout the rest of the album, that of The Man and The King. The Man Hades loves Persephone and that’s pretty much it. He’s a one-person Slytherin [Primary]. The King Hades has an Idealist Primary model, and he gives a walk-through of his system in his catechism-inspired Why We Build the Wall. The way he approaches this system, as a logical call-and-response, points to his Ravenclaw Secondary. We see that in other places, too, first when he seduces Eurydice with talk of practicality and stability, and again when he talks about how the danger in Orpheus is his ability to create a ripple in Hades’ plans and bring the whole thing crashing down around them.

In Hadestown, Hades runs the mines and often talks about money. The contrast with Orpheus’ pull toward the natural (see Wedding Song) is in what makes the things associated with Hades valuable and that his whole operation is based on taking something naturally occurring (ore, raw gems) and inducting them into a created system of value. This association of Hades with man-made industries like mines and money, and possibly some bleed-over from his Secondary, make him feel like a Ravenclaw; but we don’t actually know enough about how he came upon his system to discern whether or not it is. If he’s got a Gryffindor model instead, it’s likely a Stripped Gryff—one that wished once for a higher idealism but has had to settle for something that feels more “realistic”. This would explain his particularly sharp disdain for the bright-eyed Orpheus, and why Hades’s bargain is particularly and cruelly designed to shatter a Gryffindor.

Either way, though, it’s his Idealist model and not his Slytherin Primary that Orpheus upsets, threatening to throw a wrench in the delicate balance of order and power in his city (which he bemoans in How Long? and His Kiss, the Riot).

Whether or not Persephone chose to marry Hades isn’t talked about in Hadestown, but either way, she’s made the best of the situation with her beautifully community-based Hufflepuff Secondary. We meet her amidst a throng of workers, whose affection she obviously has, as she offers them spring leaves and summer rain and a glimpse of the sun, because she empathizes with them and this will make them happy.

Wipe away your tears, brother Brother, I know how you feel I can see you’re blinded by the sadness of it all But look a little closer and Everything will be revealed Look a little closer and There’s a crack in the wall

Her big reveal is that she has access to a crack in the wall around Hadestown, something that Hades doesn’t know about and specifically believes would, if it existed, bring down the entire system he has in place.

Persephone’s ability to keep this from Hades speaks not only to her general competence, but also speaks to the narrative’s awareness that Hades’ system is too rigid. It’s flawed, and Persephone knows it. But she neither tells him nor seems to lack loyalty to him because of it. In Too Long, she puts her foot down because Hades is her husband and she demands respect from him, and while they argue, they are specifically united in the final chorus and subsequent songs as lovers. She is loyal to him, and from what we see, I think it’s a Slytherin Primary’s loyalty.

While she argues for Orpheus’ chance to reunite with Eurydice, she never gets upset about it (or anything, really). It seems to be more of a “But, Hades, they’re so cute! And it’s really harmless, I promise,” type of situation, with her interest being that of a Hufflepuff Primary model. A Hufflepuff Primary model would also explain her apparent care for the workers. She loves them and cares for them because it makes her happy, but not because she feels obligated. While there’s definitely room in the text to argue for a Hufflepuff/Hufflepuff Persephone, the way I read her, she would be able to drop the workers without feeling any guilt. Caring about them is the way she enjoys herself and works toward the same socially harmonious ends as her husband; but it isn’t so much a moral calling for her.

And, after all, who better to run Hadestown’s black market than a Slytherpuff who models Puff and is married to the Boss? She’s powerful, selfish, and ruthless, but also genuine, kind, and caring. Adored, respected, and having the time of her life, helping her husband rule from behind the scenes.

Our protagonist, Orpheus, is a Gryffindor/Gryffindor who’s bitter about the failure of the world to live up to his standards of fairness. Forever the artist, singing about beautiful fantasy times in Wedding Song, he throws himself whole-heartedly into their romance and charges bravely after Eurydice when she goes with Hades. Not acting seems not to be an option for him. If Eurydice has left, then he will follow after.

Wait for me, I’m coming Wait, I’m coming with you

This means that when he crashes, he crashes hard. In If It’s True, Orpheus is balancing his misery over, potentially, never getting Eurydice back from Hades with his distrust of everyone who’s telling him so. He doesn’t trust the world to be honest and just, so he has to trust his own drive and his own guidance. It is more reliable than people telling him what is and is not possible or worthwhile.

And in Doubt, his doubts catch up to him. The pressure of the world telling him it’s impossible, that it’s hopeless, that he’s lost Eurydice for good, becomes too much and pushes past his own internal Gryffindor compass. We don’t see him after he turns around and loses Hades’ challenge, but it would not be far-fetched to think that he “stripped”, at least a little. It is that loss of faith in the internal compass that best breaks a Gryffindor. The irony of his story is that he would have succeeded if not for that doubt.

Doubt comes in With tricky fingers Doubt comes in With fickle tongues Doubt comes in and my heart falters And forgets the songs it sung Where are you? Where are you now?

Wedding Song is a sweet and fun song about being in love and planning your future together and finding happiness during hard times. But the call and response the two lovers have is more complicated than that; they don’t share perspectives even once during the song, both stuck on their own mental tracks. Eurydice wants to be pragmatic about their future together while Orpheus wants to revel in daydreams about it. He’s charging with all of his romance into their future, and she’s trying to ground them. That she presumably finds this cute doesn’t make it any less indicative of a relationship problem. After all, Hades convinces her to come with him by promising to provide what Orpheus can’t: food, warmth, a place to lie down...and a Ravenclaw Secondary.

Hey, little songbird, let me guess He’s some kind of poet—and he’s penniless Give him your hand, he’ll give you his hand-to-mouth He’ll write you a poem when the power’s out Hey, why not fly south for the winter?

It’s a calculated decision, because everything she does is calculated. And whether or not Hades knows that about her, he’s offering practicality to her just as much as he’s offering stability.

Flowers is a song mourning the life she left behind, because that’s important, too, and because she feels tricked by Hades’ cruelty toward Orpheus. This is a song about her exhaustion, and the sourness of burning enough to give up her old community. This is a very Hufflepuff song, and is somewhat about her “burning”. I don’t think she burns entirely, but her resignation to a new community without actively trying to keep her old one speaks to at least a little burning.

I remember someone Someone by my side Turned his face to mine And then I turned away Into the shade You, the one I left behind If you ever walk this way Come and find me lying In the bed I made

By the end of the story, she isn’t spiraling a Gryffindor spiral of the injustice of Orpheus’ banishment from Hadestown. She isn’t a Slytherin who’s petrifying so she doesn’t have to feel the pain of losing Orpheus. She isn’t a Ravenclaw who’s adopted a new system. She’s a Hufflepuff who’s made friends with Persephone and is wishing Orpheus a good life, even if their lives are now meant to be separate, and even if she’s edging closer toward Burned than she was before—because that’s the logical thing to do. Eurydice’s journey is one of changing community, and she deals with it like the beautiful Hufflepuff/Ravenclaw that she is. In Hadestown, she never stops loving Orpheus, but leaves for the practical reason that if she does, she’s guaranteed a life where she no longer has to worry about where her next meal is going to come from.

TL;DR

Hades: Slytherin/Ravenclaw with either a Ravenclaw Primary or Stripped Gryffindor model.

Persephone: Slytherin/Hufflepuff with a Hufflepuff Primary model.

Orpheus: Gryffindor/Gryffindor.

Eurydice: Hufflepuff/Ravenclaw, who burns just a little.

[honey-hybrid]

My Sortinghatchats Houses: My Results

I did the Sortinghatchats quiz over on itch.io, https://ejadelomax.itch.io/sortinghatchats Your Primary House defines WHY you do things: your reasons, motivations, and drive. Your Secondary defines HOW: your methods, actions, and behaviors.

And these are my results: I’m a Slytherin Primary (Or possible Burned Hufflepuff Primary).

I care about those close to me, and I’d do almost anything for the people I consider my friends and family. I’m ambitious and I follow my own rules. I actually have a list of directions of how to react, act in and deal with certain situations. My empathy is actually rather low, so I learned my own brand of ‘empathy’ to make up for that, so I can be there for the people I care about. I can be selfish at times, or seem that way. My own desires are what drive me, a good portion of my desires though are for the people I care deeply about to be happy. I try to stick with the ones I care the most about. 

I’m a Griffindor Secondary

I have my own rules that I abide by, and I meet my problems head on, I try my best to be and can be a lot of the times direct and blunt to the point of hurting peoples feelings. I hate going by the rules or being limited, I don’t like being told what to do and I adore chaos. I tend to find myself in situations where theres discord or strife and I can get carried away. I have my own brand of integrity and I absolutely will stand up for what I believe in. I know how to face my fears.

[viterbofangirllovestheuntamed]

CQL Character Sorting Hat, part two!

(part one here!)

N.B.#1: This analysis is based on @sortinghatchats’s aMAZEBALLS system so if you have any confusion, please reference their site! (Please note that as far as actual house segregation goes, a character would usually be sorted into their Primary house, though being sorted into their Secondary house is not impossible if those traits are particularly prominent.)

N.B.#2: This is EXCLUSIVELY based on characterization from The Untamed/CQL series, as I am still in the process of reading the novel and not in the original language anyway.

Part Two: The Jiangs

Jiang Cheng: Ah, my favorite meow meow. My most precious wet paper towel man. Love of my life human disaster. This boy is a TEXTBOOK Slytherin Primary. His moral compass is firmly calibrated around those dear to him-- namely, his family and his sect. If it endangers these people (either physically or via damaged reputation) then it is Bad. Whatever is deemed Good for these people is pursued with grim determination. And if the matter doesn’t involve these people whatsoever? Not his circus, not his monkeys; he can’t be bothered to care.

And as for his Secondary? I’ll be honest, for a while, I was distracted by his anger issues and thought he was the heedlessly-charging Gryffindor secondary. I was hella wrong. Jiang Cheng is a very solid Hufflepuff secondary: toiling, hard-working, and even community-building... albeit only directed to building his sect’s community.

Jiang Yanli: I’ll be honest, I find her a pretty even split between Hufflepuff and Slytherin for her Primary house, so she’s either a Hufflepuff with a strong Slytherin Model, or a Slytherin with a strong Hufflepuff Model. Both are Loyalist houses focused on people and their wellbeing, with the Hufflepuff’s attention directed to humanity in general and the Slytherin’s more focused on a smaller group of “their” people. The issue is, Yanli definitely does have “HER” people, whose importance is paramount... but does she have the same disinterest in those not directly important to her that her brother does? She is so very sweet and loving that I legitimately don’t know. My gut says that she’s a Slytherin Primary with an abnormally sincere Hufflepuff Model, but it really truly could be vice versa.

I found myself wrestling with the same dilemma regarding her Secondary house, but that one is a little more clear, I think. While I firmly believe that Yanli is capably of being subtle and canny in her approach, I think it is in the more shallow framework of a Performance than a Secondary. While too frail to physically toil, she is nevertheless tireless in her attempts to build loving infrastructure and encourage harmony in those around her.

Jiang Fengmian: His character/characterization is a little nebulous, but I’m going to go out on a limb and say that he is a mirror image of his daughter-- namely, a Hufflepuff Primary with a Slytherin Model. The thing is, Jiang Fengmian, for all his faults, truly is very egalitarian and welcoming (or at lease tolerant) towards those on lower societal rungs in the way of true Hufflepuffs. However, his personality is so wholly phlegmatic that it manifests in sort of lackluster Slytherin patterns; if he isn’t specifically interested, then he doesn’t bother exerting himself to engage. Interestingly, this means that his Model isn’t a mode of living that he has deliberately chosen or decided was worth emulating, but rather a result of his extreme passivity.

This same passivity makes it difficult to determine his Secondary house, as that house involves how you react to external stimuli. The two obvious contenders are evade-your-problems Slytherin or analysis-paralysis Ravenclaw, but as he does not seem to particularly exert himself to try new paths when the old ones don’t work OR amass skills or knowledge for later use, neither is a precise fit. I’ll pick Slytherin because they also have a “neutral” mode that is perhaps the best fit, but I could easily be wrong.

Yu Ziyuan: Buckle up, my dudes, because the Violet Spider is one of the nastiest examples of a double Gryffindor in the series. Both Slytherin and Gryffindor Primaries have moral frameworks that are internally-calibrated. But whereas a Slytherin knows that their morality is based on their people and therefore knows their own sense of right-and-wrong is subjective (not that they care), a Gryffindor’s morality is based on their instinctual inner-gut sense of right-and-wrong and is perceived to be objectively moral. If Madame Yu was a Slytherin Primary, she would know that she and her children were her most important people and, while still mistreating Wei Wuxian, would not be as emotionally invested in crushing him beneath her heel. But. She is a Gryffindor, and her inner gut’s calibration is not egalitarian, it is hierarchical and a no-name orphan being raised above her children is WRONG and her children’s father doting on said orphan over his own children is WRONG and since those things are WRONG then she is RIGHT-- nay, morally justified-- in doing whatever she can to fight against this interloper.

Combine this with a Gryffindor secondary that acts/reacts first and thinks later if at all... yikes.

[wisteria-lodge]

Do you think its possible for a Gryffindor Primary to kind of Burn due to becoming aware of their own learned biases, and building a Ravenclaw Primary model to deal with that?

You’re talking to a Gryffindor/Lion primary who sort of unironically wants to get “remember that you might be wrong” tattooed on their arm. 

(currently I’m liking the Howard Ashman lyric ~ “bittersweet and strange/finding you can change/learning you were wrong.” Or maybe just like... “norbury”)

I think about my biases a lot. Like even just for this, I have a google doc where I keep track of my posts and character sortings just to make sure I’m not  preferencing one primary or secondary over another. I’m a big diary keeper, because the idea that your brain automatically builds bias into memory is sort of existentially horrifying to me. Because I know I’m biased. I’m human.

I wouldn’t describe this feeling as Burned though. It still is all about instinct and gut reactions and interiority. If I ignore it when things just feel wrong, it’s like I have betrayed myself. But that just makes it more important for me to interrogate why I feel things. I also like to check in with other people in an “are you reading the situation the same way I am?” sort of way.

So it’s not that I model Ravenclaw/Bird. It’s more like... a lot of the patterns of moral problem-solving I see Birds using are coded as “right.” Because I have actually modeled Bird. (Most Burnt Lions have). And I felt stressed, unsatisfied, lost, in the wind. I felt like I was giving people way too much power over me, which felt tremendously unsafe. My Lion allows me to experiment with different ways of framing the world. 

[beck-derringer]

CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT CHALLENGE 1: BATTERY OF TESTS

Enneagram Type 7 - The Enthusiast

Sevens want to have as much fun and adventure as possible and are easily bored. Type Sevens fear experiencing emotional pain, especially sadness, and actively seek to avoid it by staying busy.

Moral Alignment - Chaotic Neutral

A chaotic neutral character is an individualist who follows their own heart and generally shirks rules and traditions. Although chaotic neutral characters promote the ideals of freedom, it is their own freedom that comes first; good and evil come second to their need to be free.

16 Personalities - Entrepreneur (ESTP)

Entrepreneurs always have an impact on their immediate surroundings – the best way to spot them at a party is to look for the whirling eddy of people flitting about them as they move from group to group. Laughing and entertaining with a blunt and earthy humor, Entrepreneur personalities love to be the center of attention. If an audience member is asked to come on stage, Entrepreneurs volunteer – or volunteer a shy friend.

Sorting Hat Chats - Gryffindor Primary / Slytherin Secondary

Gryffindor primaries trust their moral intuitions and have a need and a drive to live by them. They feel what’s right in their gut, and that matters and guides them. If they don’t listen to and act on that, it feels immoral.

A Slytherin Secondary’s defining constant is to change. They adapt to the situation, going with the flow and making use of advantages as they come. They are good at spotting unexpected opportunities and rapidly shifting their aim and approach in order to snatch up the possibilities in front of them. Sometimes this leads them to appear lucky where they are actually better described as opportunistic.

Four Temperaments - Sanguine

The sanguine temperament is fundamentally spontaneous and pleasure-seeking; sanguine people are sociable and charismatic. They tend to enjoy social gatherings, making new friends and tend to be boisterous. They are usually quite creative and often daydream. However, some alone time is crucial for those of this temperament. Sanguine can also mean sensitive, compassionate and thoughtful. Sanguine personalities generally struggle with following tasks all the way through, are chronically late, and tend to be forgetful and sometimes a little sarcastic. Often, when they pursue a new hobby, they lose interest as soon as it ceases to be engaging or fun. They are very much people persons. They are talkative and not shy. Sanguines generally have an almost shameless nature, certain that what they are doing is right. They have no lack of confidence.

Statistical Which Character

Connor Walsh (How To Get Away With Murder): 93%

Bender (Futurama): 93%

Han Solo (Star Wars): 92%

Damon Salvatore (The Vampire Diaries): 92%

DISC - I Style

The I Personality Style in the DISC model by Dr. William Marston is not afraid to be the center of attention. They are enthusiastic, optimistic, talkative, persuasive, impulsive, and emotional. This DISC type will trust others naturally, truly enjoys being around others, and function best when around people and working in teams. You can find the I style in the active and people-oriented section of the DISC quadrant.

[thecottageinthedark]

how do you view the different houses and their relationship to humor/fun? personally i think i'm a gryffindor primary/slytherin secondary, but the secondary is difficult to pin because while i relate to the underlying philosophies of 2nd slytherin i'm also...a buffoon, which is hard to classify. more generally, both irl and in media i sometimes find gryffindors to lack a sense of humor, while slytherins and ravenclaws are often my comrades in comedy. curious what you think! AND hufflepuffs are, imo, the best laughers and the strongest curators/connoisseurs of comedy

Okay, so, sorry to burst your bubble anon, but...

This is just way too broad. Having a sense of humour or not is just a thing about being human. You have comedians and killjoys in all the sortings. It's like asking which sortings are likely to have a certain sexual orientation.

I will say one thing though; there are likely to be some commonalities. Not many Lion Primaries will find a joke funny if it pokes fun at their Cause, nor Bird primaries see the humour in their System being mocked. Badger and Snake primaries may be unamused at their People being made the subject of jokes from anyone-or they may feel that the right to tease belongs strictly to those within the community or inner circle. Badger and Snake secondaries may use humour as a social-bonding thing, because if you laugh at a joke I made, you like me a bit more. And the improvisational secondaries strike me as useful to have or model if you're going into stand-up comedy, while Actor Bird secondary can be used to construct comic personas or characters. (Sacha Baron Cohen is one famous comedian of this type.)

[awritersrejections]

How would you sort Will Graham?

oh this is a delightful question!! I'm assuming you mean on the primary/secondary model thing @wisteria-lodge has going?

If you mean just bog-standard HP sorting, then I'd say Gryffindor without hesitation. Before all things, he will do what he believes is right, and he will always choose to be brave—and he would want to be in Gryffindor, which is what would matter.

In the more interesting (imo at least) primary/secondary model of sorting, I'd say Will is a Lion Snake with a helpful bird model.

Man, I tried to approach that in a segmented way and explain each part on its own—but lbr that was never gonna work with Mr. "I am a writhing mass of masks with a fire of righteousness at my core and it may seem simple to pull me apart, but try it and burn" Graham.

The thing is, his snake secondary is so damn powerful that he had to build the bird model as a way to keep himself grounded—he loves his pack, but he doesn't just want a community of dogs, he wants dogs that are projects, dogs he can go through the complicated and delicate and very real work of training and rehabilitating. He tinkers and builds specialty lures, letting his secondary bird model carry him through actions that are simple in their finite complexity, enough to occupy him without taking him over.

Because, with his snake secondary, being taken over is how he operates. He either finds a mask (when he becomes someone else) or he builds one (what he did in season 2 with Hannibal), and then he steps into it so completely that his lion primary is almost entirely supplanted by whatever primary the mask has. Which is where the horror comes from, when he snaps back to himself and feels all that revulsion at having abandoned his primary, and—for however brief a time—having believed whatever awful things the mask he'd worn believed.

I nearly put him as a bird primary because of that—so much of who he is seems based around the desperate need to know himself, to have a fixed reality that he can depend on. That search for truth feels very much like a ravenclaw primary. But I'd argue it's just a side-effect of the way his snake secondary and his lion primary interact—he's terrified of losing sight of his actual values, and gravitates towards anything that can make the way he operates in the world feel safe.

Then there is some extra fun horror when the line between himself and the mask starts to blur in season 2, and he's full on in love with the man he was pretending to care about, and not at all sure if he enjoyed the kill or the righteousness of it. Though, by season 3 at least (if not sooner), I'd say he's figured out that he enjoyed the righteousness, and never reveled in the power of the violence for its own sake. With that confirmed, I think he's far more comfortable in his snake secondary—though he still doesn't know how to feel about the blurrier bits, the parts of the mask he wore for Hannibal that weren't a mask at all, but simple a part of him viewed from a new angle.

The final moments of the show are in many ways about self-acceptance, and I'd say a part of that is Will fully occupying that part of himself without making it into a mask. The side of himself that murders the dragon with Hannibal and knows it is beautiful—that is not a side he would bring out around everyone. But he's not lying when that part is set aside, and for once he admits that he's not lying when that part comes forward. He lets himself experience it fully, and (to his relief, I'd say) he finds that in that moment he is still entirely himself, lion primary bright and powerful. So, he pushes them off the cliff, because he feels it is the right thing to do.

Anyway, when I got this ask I wondered if I'd been out of the fandom too long to have much to say about this, and LOLZ.

Curious to hear your thoughts, nonny! Or @wisteria-lodge, not sure if you've sorted Will?

[viridianllamasinthesilentspace]

Sorting “Welcome to Night Vale”

Carlos is a Gryffindor Primary whose one true Truth is Science. 

This is not an uncommon thing, though outside our system these characters tend to be Sorted into Ravenclaw. They have a fearless, passionate, ’til-death-do-us-part love and dedication to science. Jane Foster from the MCU is this type of Gryffindor [Primary]. So is Patrick Carroll from the Secret Country trilogy by Pamela Dean.

However, in our system, this type of passionate scientist is not necessarily a Ravenclaw Primary but could just as likely be a Gryffindor Primary. Gryffindor and Ravenclaw are our two Idealist Houses (as compared to our two Loyalist Primaries, Hufflepuff and Slytherin). A Gryffindor’s truth is not built or constructed. It is not even found, exactly. It is believed wholeheartedly. It will not be abandoned. In this specific scientist character trope, even if there are other explanations or other paths, these Gryffindors will stay true to Science; but most of them, unlike Carlos, define science as “the empirical method”, rather than “buzz words and the bits of reality I believe to be true.”

Carlos enters Night Vale (where reality hides under the bed and cries) and continues to insist on his science being right. He observes things, and—instead of taking that new data and correcting for it, instead of using empirical evidence to come up with a new system that actually describes things he has experienced—he keeps clinging to ideas of “science” and “reality” that are constantly being proven untrue. He is delighted—and, importantly for our purposes, certain—even when the world keeps disagreeing with him.

This type of Gryffindor scientist commonly comes with a Ravenclaw Secondary in tow. This is the case with both Jane Foster and Patrick Carroll, who collect data and collect tools and collect experiences which add to and strengthen their Gryffindor Primary’s certainty. This can be very effective, as in Jane Foster’s case: Jane stays true to her science with a driving passion but is happy to adjust the details of her model of the universe as she gets new information about Thor, the Bifrost, or the Aether.

This is not the case with Carlos. 

Carlos has a Gryffindor Secondary to go with his Gryffindor Primary. He charges at science. Gryffindor Secondary scientists tend to be the mad scientist. Carlos does not fit this trope, possibly because his world is mad and that kind of covers it.

Cecil is a Slytherin Primary. The most important thing to him, at the end of the day, is his people. Most importantly, Carlos and his niece. It is one of the places in Carlos and Cecil’s relationship which has the most potential for tension. The most important thing in the world to Carlos is Science, which is why he remained in the desert for as long as he did; and as the most important thing in the world to Cecil is Carlos, Carlos remaining in the desert is a source of strain. Why would Carlos choose the desert before Cecil? For Cecil, this is unintuitive. They each expect the other to share their own priorities: Carlos does not understand why anyone would not prioritize science, and Cecil has a hard time understanding why Carlos would stay away for that long.

This is a survivable misunderstanding—people, of course, can have wonderful and fulfilling relationships with people who do not share their priorities, and so, do not have the same Primary. If they couldn’t, the world would be rather boring. However, Cecil and Carlos are oblivious in certain ways. They both have some rather idealized models of their partner, and they both have a tendency to assume that other people feel just as they do. This leads to not just differences in their priorities, but miscommunication of their priorities.

While they have different Primaries, though, Cecil and Carlos share a Gryffindor Secondary, and that’s one of the places they connect.

Cecil’s Gryffindor Secondary is most apparent in his work. It’s evident in his leadership, but the other major way it shows itself is at all the times when Cecil finds himself utterly unable to not speak the truth. 

When Cecil’s not supposed to talk about the dog park? He’s going to talk about the dog park. When he’s not supposed to talk about the giant stone, or this secret, or the angels? Cecil is going to talk about them. He’s not going to be able to help himself. This inability to pretend—to lie about something one cares about, like Cecil cares for Night Vale and the news—is indicative of a Gryffindor Secondary. There is an emphasis on honesty and integrity of presentation. Cecil will try, certainly, to obey the town rules on secrecy. He’s just really bad at it. As the truth of a situation becomes more apparent, the rules he’s trying to follow seem more...bendable.

The second place Cecil’s Gryffindor Secondary reveals itself is ‘his relationship to leadership’. When Cecil gets passionate about something, the whole town rises to meet him. This is not a Hufflepuff Secondary calling on a community they have invested in. Cecil has emotionally invested in this town, certainly—his Slytherin Primary loves it dearly. However, he does not have the Puff Secondary investments in work, community building, or service, which create a certain type of trust and debt. The type of power Cecil has is better termed ‘persuasion’ or ‘influence’. 

There is an obvious integrity to Cecil when he is passionate about something, and it sways people. When Cecil becomes passionate about something, his listeners believe him; they believe in him. They believe in things because he believes them. This happens during multiple adventures: If Cecil calls on the citizens, they will answer. This Gryffindor Secondary dedication to truth, honesty, and influence is very fitting for journalist Cecil.

The one time this doesn’t happen—when Cecil calls the town to arms to help Tamika Flynn—he feels betrayed. And, almost more importantly for his Sorting, he feels shocked. He ran into a limit of his power to inspire. This is a thing he expects to work.

Dana has the hard-working Hufflepuff Secondary. Trapped in the dog park, Dana doesn’t stop working. She does not charge, transform, or build; she just continues with a quiet and determined dedication to work ethic that seems to be for the sake of hard work itself. This is a Hufflepuff Secondary’s ability to personify the moral of the tortoise and the hare story: “Slow and steady wins the race.”

Dana misses her family, but not with a Slytherin Primary’s pointed desperation. Her thoughtful sense of duty and dedication nods toward a Hufflepuff Primary who’s bonded to the town and the radio, rather than the individuals involved in it; or to a Ravenclaw Primary who has dedicated themselves to a Puff Secondary’s system of work and service. We err toward the Ravenclaw, because there’s something about Dana that feels so quietly deliberate and constructed. She thinks about things, hard, and then enacts them with her Secondary’s hard work.

TL;DR 

Carlos is a Gryffindor Primary/Gryffindor Secondary, who shares his charging Secondary with Cecil. Cecil, however, has a Slytherin Primary that values the people he loves over his ideals.

Dana has a Hufflepuff Secondary, and either a constructed Ravenclaw Primary or a dutiful Hufflepuff Primary.