#hazbin speculation

[glitzernglamour]

Something I think often goes unquestioned [ even by myself ] is the assumption that Abel died first. It’s canon to the Bible, so it's almost treated as a given when applying it to Hazbin’s universe. But Viv is clearly reworking biblical lore in her own way. It’s already been confirmed by Sera that Adam was the first soul in Heaven, which raises a real question: what if he never lived much longer past that point? What if that’s why he still looks so young? & now that we know Abel wasn’t even Adam’s favorite, it’s making me reconsider what else we’ve accepted by default. Maybe Abel didn’t die first; maybe Adam died first...

[sldlovescartoons]

A funny little thought I had about Charlie and crew finding out about Sir Pentious, or getting clued in, of them just giving Alastor the run down about what happened when he pops back up and him just-

“So, where is the brave lad, then?”

“Uh- we just told ya, douchebag mc’angelface fuckin’ vaporized him.”

And Alastor just looks at them like they were stupid.

“Come on, now, if a beam of radiance was all it took to kill a sinner permanently, they’d hardly have a need to come down with weapons, would they? They’d just cook us like one of those fancy micro-wave type devices. It’s great crowd control, pulling oneself back together to remanifest after being vaporized takes a long time, but it’ll hardly kill permanently. A good way for angels to down pray so they can be stabbed or shot. He should be back by now, surely.”

Silence.

“So he didn’t die?”

“Oh, he definitely died, but his soul would still be intact, so he should be back. Really, you are all being very dramatic about this.”

“Angel beams don’t kill you permanently?”

“You didn’t know that?” It was Lucifer now.

“Dad!!! You knew that he should be alive and didn’t say anything!?”

“Ah, sorry, sweetheart, I must have missed it, so busy with the hotel, you know…”

“Ugh- you’re so-“

“Little Big Man’s shit listening aside, where is our slithery friend, then?”

Silence.

“Wait, you don’t think he…?”

“I’ll make a call!”

“Wait for me, Dad!!!”

And now Alastor is the lost one.

[asongoftearsandfandoms]

I know Alastor is asexual, canonically "an ace in the hole". But as far as holding the Aromantic mantle, I feel like more than Alastor this would be Vox. I'm sure arguments could be made for all the Vees, but Vox, by nature of being a Television Demon just speaks to the sex appeal that modern media flaunts and propagates. There's no sexual attraction when it comes to radio except the sex appeal of your voice. Radio is all about getting people invested on an emotional level with your words and your tone. Radio is, in my opinion, incredibly emotive, and I feel like Alastor being Aromantic just doesn't match. I can see him avoiding romantic attachments and choosing to not pursue those frequencies, the same way a member of the clergy abstains from desires. It doesn't mean they don't have them, they're just not participating.

Okay, maybe this has gotten a bit rambly. Adjusting tracks back to Vox, television as a medium is all about sex appeal. Everything needs to be sexy. Flashy sex and being hot and attractive and wantable are all TV things. Things have to look good for TV. Who cares if it's vapid or emotionally shallow.

Maybe this isn't a hot take, but it's my take.

Alastor - asexual

Vox - aromantic

[maxiemumdamage]

Y’all might remember from this post a while ago that I was already speculating voice actors for Hazbin Hotel Lilith, but y’all. Narratively perfect option:

Kristen Bell.

She’s pretty damn famous, but considering how many big name Broadway stars are already on the show, not an impossible get. Notable for her role on The Good Place where she plays a selfish, rebellious, Arizonian dirtbag who gets sent to (non-denominational) Hell.

The other role most people will know her from? Coincidentally one that also demonstrates her great singing ability?

Anna from Frozen. Y’know, the girl who became Queen after the second movie?

Maybe not the right fit tonally, depending on what kinda vibe they go for — Lilith might be less grown-up Disney Princess and more full-on villainess in season two for all we know. But it does feel fitting!

[hostilebutcuddly]

So. Who thinks Lute is gonna get an automail arm? :D

[a-little-ray-of-fantasy]

That one time I made a post on Twitter about how Sir Pentious' character could've gone in the story 3 days before the finale.

It did numbers...

And in a way it came true...

WOAH!!

[nocakesformissedith]

It's generally assumed that Alastor got his film distortion powers after his falling out with Vox OR that he always had them and just held them back to allow himself to be photographed when they were close butttt what if Al being distorted on camera is actually the result of something VOX did TO him....

[the-stress-express]

Greetings, my Lovelies, I hope y’all are having a great day/night!

And if you’re not, I hope it gets better!

Anyway, I yoinked another Hazbin Hotel TikTok I made from my page for you guys to enjoy here.

Lucifer could probably use some hugs…

I hope y’all enjoy!

Stay hydrated!

[palisman273]

Season 2 will yet again have 8 episodes and from what I'm hearing of "the same format as season 1" will have each episode be around 20 minutes long

You know how initially optimistic I was with Viv and Adam finally showing they can write a decent comedic scene without sex jokes and swearing? Right, time for them to nullify my hopes with this trash news. I know you can make the argument "Oh, but The Boys and Reacher have only a few episodes and they're great". Yeah, that's because they don't cram in so much shit in each season and know how to pace things properly.

From what Viv and the team have stated, Season 2 will contain:

Alastor's backstory

Pentious' past

Vox and the Vees' villainy

Vox and Alastor's rivalry

Baxter's character development

Angel and Husk romance probably

Chaggie romance and a sex scene song between them

Lilith

Niffty and Baxter romance likely

Overlords power vaccuum

Even more songs

All in one 8 episode season. This is gonna be a disaster. Given how horribly we know Season 1 was paced, I have no hopes for the second season being any better paced. It's likely gonna be even worse. Only thing that'll probably worth it in the end is the soundtrack.

[nightcolorz]

the unrequited dilemma between Vox and alastor isn’t that alastor is aroace and doesn’t reciprocate romantic or sexual feelings (tho that’s also a factor lol) it’s more so that Alastor hates Tv and modern technology and Vox has a literal tv head 😭 imagine admiring and dare I say loving someone only for them to refuse to associate with you because they fundamentally oppose the foundation of who u r. That shit runs deeper then ur sexual identities not being compatible

[glitzernglamour]

⚠️ Spoiler Warning: This post contains discussion / images of leaks & narrative implications that may hint at future plot developments. Proceed with caution if you’re avoiding spoilers or unreleased material. Please keep in mind this is all speculative <3

I just noticed this & honestly, I feel ridiculous for not catching it sooner. I genuinely think Vaggie was meant to reflect [ perhaps even echo? ] the Speaker. Maybe she was supposed to be her successor, but something changed & was repurposed [ remembering how Vaggie referred to herself as the failure ] — Whatever the case, I don’t trust the Speaker; she’s too kind, too distant. Not once does she offer Sera tangible help or real guidance,

The way Lute stands behind Sera… & then Speaker; it mirrors that same visual setup; I can’t put it together just yet. Despite her ‘warm’ demeanor, Speaker offers only cold abstraction. When Sera pleads for atonement, for direction, she’s met with platitudes: ‘Every transgression must serve as a lesson [ … ] You must bear the cross bestowed upon you,’ These aren’t words of comfort or redemption; she says it so sweetly, sounds so genuine but it's outright dismissal & blame dressed as doctrine… Some foul shit is going on here,

[a-dauntless-daffodil]

It’s hilarious how Vaggie made herself a ‘sinner’.

How that linked her up with Charlie is such a weird, round about truthful way, even when she was lying by omission about it.

And how amazingly dumb it all makes Adam and Lute look.

Thousands of helpless souls killed by her, but she didn’t do anything ‘wrong’ until she wondered if what she was doing was right. The divine powers in her life only took her wings and condemned her to hell after she doubted their orders, their idea of justice, and quietly chose not to completely follow them.

“You fucked up” they tell her “your mistake” she “left the band” “tried for a solo career". It’s so pathetic. They're so butthurt over the idea of one of their own having a mind of her own.

It’s also so funny, because they spin her simple act of whispering “Go, run. Now!” to demon kid she’d been holding at spear point like it was big defiant move- which makes it into one- even though she never challenged them openly, or threatened them.

Hell, Lute’s “You always were weak” plus exorcist Vaggie always frowning while her murder sisters all grin with glee as they kill sinners- it paints a picture of Vaggie never having been as into exterminations as she ‘should’ have been. Too weak to be a proper exorcist no matter how good at killing she was, not just “the traitor” but also “the failure”.

And she was scared of that. She didn’t want anyone seeing her spare that child, whispered her words to them in a back alley, out of sight.

She was scared of what would happen and didn’t even fight it when Lute took her eye and wings- she was scared and no threat in any tangible way, but apparently refusing to do one single murder is enough to freak Adam and Lute the fuck out.

One woman. Doesn’t do exactly what she’s told. After who knows how many decades of being one of the “top girls” at murder, a “bad bitch” named after “the best thing ever”, and they still get spooked by that tiny moment when she wasn’t under their total control. Like it's such a betrayal to them, her daring to so much as think this level of violence isn’t justified actually, and for a split second act on that thought.

It’s an instant ticket to ousting her from the exorcists AND from heaven, while they fly the fuck off again.

“If angels can do whatever, and remain in the sky-”

and they do. After doing that to one of their own. They did that, to someone who was supposedly meant to be in heaven. They didn’t wait for divine justice- took it, and her eye, and her wings, and her halo, into their own hands and tore them away from her. Then happily, they spend the next three years up in heaven, slurping smoothies and doing more murder sprees.

until Vaggie comes strolling back with the princess of hell, there supporting her girlfriend and the idea that all the shit she did for so long really was and IS wrong.

oh and Adam and Lute are pisssssssed about it. They take her being there PERSONALLY, wanna solve it with VIOLENCE

She hurts them without even trying. Without even noticing they're there.

They're told to fix the princess of hell situation and they have no concept of forgiveness, of caring about sinners, so they guess (rightly) that Vaggie hasn't told Charlie about her past and bet (wrongly) that Charlie would never forgive her if she knew, and also assumed (rightly) that Vaggie would be terrified of that

But they don't get that she's scared of hurting Charlie. Of Charlie being hurt by her. It's a selfless thing. That's her whole PROBLEM.

Her running to hold Charlie after the reveal- her NOT breaking down when Charlie takes alone time in the aftermath, respecting that right up until she thinks Charlie's actively in danger- afraid FOR Charlie when the deal with Alastor is made, no crumbling that Charlie went to someone else for help, when being helpful to Charlie is basically her raison d'étre- agreeing to go alone to an overlord, after learning she can DIE and THIS OVERLORD knows how to do it- all this for the sake of Charlie's dream, their shared goal, their hotel. Their friends, resigned to despair in the hotel lobby, losing hope and maybe hours away from losing their lives

No shit she was never going to bow down to the blackmail?? It'd be like turning herself inside out. Charlie isn't just some "little hottie" or whatever, they're partners. They're in this together. Even when Charlie out loud doubts if that's true, it still is.

Lute and Adam don't GET what it means, that Charlie assumed Vaggie was a sinner already. That the thing she'd be hurt about was the lying, not the murder. She was scared of not really being loved by Vaggie- of everything else wonderful between them being a lie too, all that support and faith empty empty- she wasn't afraid of loving Vaggie, whoever Vaggie had been, she was afraid of who Vaggie might be now and that she'd never really believed in Charlie at all.

Charlie was angry at the thought that Vaggie didn't think she would've accepted her. The idea of not really being understood or trusted by Vaggie, that's what hurt.

And it goes against everything Lute and Adam are, Charlie actually caring about sinners while knowing what they've done- about an exorcist after finding out who they'd been- really trusting that people can change. Lute and Adam hear her say it and see her stand up for it and they just want her to shut up and die

again though, no shit she was going to stick with Vaggie after the truth came out, in the end. Once she had a moment to take a breath and step out of her head long enough for a reality check

Vaggie didn’t say to Charlie what she'd done or who she'd been. But she’s been and keeps doing what she can to follow that idea, unvoiced, from that day when she couldn’t kill a sinner- something Charlie didn't know about but now knows must have happened- A final death means no second chance and no worth as a person, but Vaggie didn’t think that, even before meeting Charlie she didn't think that.

She's always been on Charlie's side. They were on the same side before they ever set eyes on each other. All this time, for three whole years, and now she's off to go find a way to protect everything they've built together.

"-words are cheap, but actions, they speak the truth"

Charlie never really stopped trusting her. Maybe she wondered if she should, but even then, she had Vaggie go to Carmilla to find the key that might save them all.

"She killed an exorcist in the last extermination. She knows how they can be harmed."

"But… I- I didn't even know that was possible."

"If you did, would you have told me?"

So Charlie asked. A pretty painful thing to say- and she said it even as she sent an angel to go find out a way to hurt other angels.

She DID trust that Vaggie WOULD tell her.

The irony of all this happening thanks to Adam and Lute trying to keep it from happening, and all of it leading up to Vaggie getting back part of what they took from her, because now she doesn't need them or heaven to be an angel anymore.

Charlie has faith in her. Enough to send her off on an important mission even after Vaggie hurt her- and send her right to the person who end up helping Vaggie get back her wings.

“The rules are shades of gray when you don’t do as you say”

Vaggie’s new fucking wings are gray when Lute sees them. When Vaggie’s standing over her, sparing her life, her wings and that one, fucking unexplained stripe separating her from the other exorcists, all of it is GRAY.

That visual gut punch of, you’re. Fucking. Wrong. You’re wrong about sinners, you’re wrong about supposedly protecting heaven, you’re wrong thinking you can just DO this shit. That imagery of an angel who DIDN’T stay in the sky because she DIDN’T think being angel meant everything she did had to be right- who’s here in hell, trying to protect sinners from heaven’s slaughter-

And Lute wanted Vaggie to “correct” HER “mistake”? Vaggie’s???

That’s Lute, admitting that people in hell can get second chances and make up for what they did. Admitting that “Sinful filth” like Vaggie can be redeemed in some way, by following Lute’s version of what’s right.

But wasn’t her and Adam’s whole thing the idea of blowing your shot? Getting no other chance after it?  

Oh yeah. Vaggie doesn’t believe that though. Not for sinners like her, not for angels like her.

She let’s Lute live. She does it to make Lute suffer, but there are a lot of ways to make someone suffer- an eye for an eye for example- and Vaggie chooses the one that doesn’t hurt Lute more than it has to, that leaves her alive, and leaves Lute’s suffering to be something completely of Lute’s own making (a HELL of Lute's own making, if you will) (Lute choosing to tear her OWN arm off to continue the fight-).

She's totally dismissive of the woman who was just going after her remaining eye like a dog after a bone.

Why is it that nothing Adam and Lute to do her matters?

Why don’t THEY matter to her at all?

Walking right past them, being so done with them up in heaven, not caving to the blackmail, only being worried about Charlie afterwards, not letting that crack in their relationship stop her from doing what she can for their hotel, Lute threatening to take her other eye and BLIND her just making her snark- even the vague threat to Charlie only gives Vaggie the oomf she needed to defend herself.

“Pathetic” she calls Lute. She’s right- they’re so pathetic, both them, Adam and Lute. They’re so scared of being wrong. So pissy over the idea of being less than great and perfect.

It breaks them. Adam’s last words are him having a meltdown in the face of not actually being hot shit. Where’s his respect, he wails, they should all be worshiping him! But they’re not. One of his random decedents stabs him to death because he would’ve done the same to her, and one of the last things he hears is Vaggie- the fuck up, the traitor, his former grumpy top girl Vagina- whooping with glee as he dies.

And Lute lives knowing that could’ve been her, too.

If it wasn't for Vaggie.

Being not all that didn’t break Vaggie. Finding out she was wrong got her to stop and think and change, not run straight on blindly into a fight that ends up with her (with HIM) dead.

Why does she go from terrified of Lute and Adam, to dismissive and annoyed and just all around not caring about them at all?

They gave up all her respect for them when they demanded the death of a child.

The father of humanity wanted a child killed. A helpless, whimpering kid, sacrificed to his ego and bruised pride, and for shits and giggles. His first lieutenant saw failing to do so as a sin worthy of hell. All this over a child. How could she ever take them seriously after that.  

She came down from high and chased the child and held a blade over them on divine command.

Then, somehow, she saw the HORNS in her own shadow above them- even though she wasn’t WEARING her MASK, and she stopped.

She was her own messenger angel.

She chose to give the child mercy, and became the sacrifice herself.

Vaggie stuck it to the man. Didn’t steal that life. And, terrified of what would happen to her next, acted selflessly. The same thing that got her left behind in hell should have earned her place in heaven, according to Adam-

heaven was shit to her though. Made her into a soldier. Sent her to kill and kill and kill. Taught her trust on the battlefield- in heaven, of all fucking places-

Timeline wise we see her very first smile when she meets Charlie. When a stranger does- again- the bare minimum for someone else.

When she’s back up in heaven later she isn’t wistful, just angry, uncomfortable, annoyed. She isn’t happy there. It’s not home to her, like her and Charlie’s room back at the hotel is. Why should it be? What good did she ever find in herself up there?

Down here though, she's happy. Hell is where her heaven started. So I guess in the end, she did find what she’d earned after all. Or it, Charlie, found her.

When “The rules are shades of gray…”

Sometimes they’re wrong, and you have to break them.  

People like Lute and Adam would rather crack under the pressure and die instead, but not Vaggie. They're out for blood. She's out for love.

Sucks to be them~

[w3belisasilviaofc137]

[hellaverse-reimagined]

Angel Dust isn’t in hell for being Lustful, and I’d go as far to say he’s not in hell for his drug addiction, either. Angel is in hell because he killed people while in the mob. It’s not the sex, or the drugs, it’s the murder. How do you even come back from that? Even if he confronts himself for his transgressions, what’s done is done. Does he even remember the people he’s killed? And if he does, who’s to say they’re even in hell? It’s going to be pretty difficult to apologize to someone who isn’t even in the same realm as you.

I’m going to research how irl murderers are rehabilitated in jail to get ideas for how to tackle this issue in my AU. If all else fails, I have a pretty good idea of how to wrack up drama with this.

[iamhereonlytobeanunstableshipper]

Ok but hear me out.... A Husk solo song for s2 where half the song was sang in a gloomier tone by Husk in the present, singing abt what he lost, his past mistakes, his deal with Alastor, (maybe abt Angel too); and the other half of the song was sang by past Husk as an Overlord in a Dr Faciler's 'I've got friends on the other side' fashion.

Yknow. A song that encapsulates both how he misses his past and how much it haunts him.

(Plus hot Overlord Husk vilian song with Keith motherfucking David's voice)

PLEASE. I AM BEGGING VIVIENNE I HAVE LIKE 20 BUCKS AND TWO KIDNEYS PLEASE PLEASE GIVE ME THIS

[plumomi]

Yearning for season two to give us Canon Lilith Personality™ and open the fic writer floodgates for a wider variety of Hellradio stories.

There's a lot of pure smutfic out there already, and that's all well and good if that's your thing, but the Possibilities of exploring a fucked up polycule between Hell's monarchs and our resident radio demon beyond that, and all the political implications and drama that would entail, intrigue me to no end. I'm honestly so here for it. Need it in all its Messy Glory.