#liom discourse

[mlmjock]

I swear to god I am going to crash out if I see one more mogai terms having a flag that's super flashy and really not adapted to disabled people. I am sorry, but I don't want to have a headache every time I open this app.

[matcha-omega]

EVIL TRANSMASC

A flag for when you're EVIL and transmasc

EVIL Color meanings:

Red: The BLOOD of transandrophobes. also for EVIL gnc transmascs yay yippee yay :3

Cyan: Our TWISTED agenda (supporting our fellow transmascs and the trans community as a whole)

Navy Blue: Our SCARY masculinity/manhood

Blueish Black: Our DARK brotherhood

[radflag-cemetery]

Sylasqueer ;; 💬💢🌈 (or just 💬💢)

Sylasqueer is a –queer label which describes someone who is "technically" or "bordering" radqueer but is nervous about labelling themselves as such due to stigmatization and hate that radqueers often receive. These people are often pacifistic but still opinionated.

Sylasqueer is pro:

– respecting everyone regardless of identity

– consent & bodily autonomy

– self expression

– radqueer ideologies

– all paraphilias (including the "big 3")

– kink

– all transIDs and transID adjacent labels (ex: terms that are made to be "watered down" transIDs)

– shipping ("media doesn't always reflect reality")

– pacifism / green ideology

– contradictory / good faith labels (including lesboys/turigirls, mspecs, etc)

– otherkin / alterhuman identities

Sylasqueer is anti:

– harassment

– nonconsensual harm

– discourse (syscourse, kincourse, etc. someone who is sylasqueer is likely syscopunk, kff neutral, and similar things)

– sexism towards any sex (including intersex & male.)

– demonization of anyone (including radqueers, anti radqueers, etc. any group.)

– gatekeeping of terms and resources

– "thought crime" as a concept

– racism, ageism, ableism, anti-semitism, homophobia, transphobia, etc (all discriminatory viewpoints)

– demonization and stereotyping of plurality

This was made for a friend. If you have any additional questions about this term, please ask. Do not make assumptions.

With the tags, I am not cross-tagging. You do not have to be radqueer to use this. You also don't have to be non-radqueer to use it. This is intended for everyone. Get over yourself if you have a problem with it.

[shuffled-mind]

hi, i'm charlotte, this is my first post :) i want to share my system role flags with you all!

symptom holder flag alternative (and it's alternatives... hehe)

the colors are picked from the disability pride flag!

i've also made an autism symptom holder flag, for personal use!

the colors are picked from the autistic pride flag, and the teal hands represent both understimulation (blue) and overstimulation (green)

please no discourse, i don't have the mental capacity to engage in internet flame wars

that being said, anyone can use my flags and terms no matter if my stances align with yours. if you like it, feel free to use it!

[nutmeg-tiger]

every time someone says "the queer community is so complicated now" what i hear is "i'm too lazy to learn." if your allyship ends with what you cannot understand, it was never allyship.

[historyinclusionist]

History Inclusionist

An "Inclusionist" who believes that identities which are 1) shown to be supported in the community's history 2) are harmless personal identities that don't pose harm to others are valid and should be included in their communities.

Overall:

"History Inclusionism" refers to being inclusive of personal identities based on the identity being:

A self affirmed personal identity (locatable only within a person's interaction with and relations to the world around you)

Historically shown to be included in an identity subculture (Such as in a notable number of personal accounts, poems, zines, books, or other media from a subculture)

Shown to be non harmful to other identities or persons (Such as in more than one professional study)

Examples: - Different studies over human history have concluded that being raised by gay parents doesn't cause inherent harm to children. Therefore, gay relationships are provably shown to be non harmful. They are included here. - Different self-reports, comics, zines, and other writings from the past 60 years mention male lesbians, bi lesbians, and lesbians in relationships with men. Therefore, it is historically shown to be included in lesbian culture, and is included here. - Studies, reports, and other examinations by professionals over the course of human history have come to the conclusion that minors in relationships with adults cannot properly consent and are harmed by those "relationships." Therefore, personal identities that try to justify these "relationships" are not included here.

"Personal Identity"?

"Personal Identity" is a purposefully broad term meant to apply to most self-affirmed forms of identification (plurality status, orientation, gender, etc).

Being a History Inclusionist means that you are in complete support of the following personal identities:

Plurality which does not attribute its origins to trauma

Lesbians who are also male / Gay men who are also female

Lesbians who are also mspec (bi, pan, poly, etc) / Gay men who are also mspec

Transgender / nonbinary people who don't experience dysphoria or only feel euphoria

Nonbinary genders, including xenogenders / nonbinary genders that are "atypical" (based on fictional characters, highly specific, based on animals, etc)

"Atypical" relationship formats such as polyamorous relationships, relationship anarchy, kink-focused relationships, etc (Or generally any other form of relationship between two or more consenting people that would not fall under anything on the list below this)

Gender presentations which conflict with and/or defy the expected norm (Women who use he/him pronouns, men who present feminine, etc)

Being a History Inclusionist means that you absolutely do not tolerate or support the following:

Acting on or encouraging attraction to children as an adult (Ped*philia)

Acting on, encouraging attraction to, or associating positive feelings with the attraction to one's family members (Inc*st)

Acting on or encouraging attraction to, or associating positive feelings with the attraction to animals (Z*ophilia)

TransID/TransX communities, the idea that someone can transition into or identify as an age, disorder, or condition they physically are not or do not have (transrace/diarace/trace, transabled/transdisorder/'transplural'/transautistic, and so on)

Arguing with other members of the LGBT community over who is allowed to use derogatory words (Q-eer, f-ggot, d-ke, and so on)

Tagging: @mogai-sunflowers @neopronouns @radiomogai

If you're interested in reading more about why I consider XYZ a good faith thing and why I don't consider XYZ the same, I made a Carrd! 📖🏳️‍🌈

[dhddmods]

In case anyone isn't aware, status-quo-hater has said some exorsexist things, pluralphobic things, and has a double standard for contradictory labels & separating transness from sex/AGAB.

This is a post meant to make its followers aware of whether or not their identities are respected, and aware of its harmful stances.

We do not encourage harassment of this individual.

It has yet to address its harmful posts, which bothers us greatly. It needs to make it known whether it has changed its views, or if it is going to double down on its harmful standpoints.

Status-quo-hater has, in this post and this post:

1.

-Said that to identify as a trans woman, you have to have "transitioned into womanhood" - while simultaneously saying that mulleripathian non-binary people cannot identify as trans women (thus equating non-binary womanhood to binary womanhood, when they are separate experiences.) This directly harms mulleripathian non-binary women (ie; demigirls, girlfluxes, multigender women, etc), as it is treating them as either a cisgender woman (which is malgendering by only acknowledging their womanhood) or genderless/gender neutral (which is misgendering by ignoring their womanhood), and implies that they have no social or physical transition towards womanhood necessary. That is untrue. Mulleripathian non-binary women do have to transition towards womanhood - it's just a different type of womanhood than what was previously established. This falls into the same narrative as calling them "basically cis." It also separates wolffipathian non-binary women from mulleripathian non-binary women, by allowing wolffipathian non-binary women to use the trans women label, but not the mulleripathian ones. This is hypocritical considering it has said in the past that it doesn't think trans people should be defined by their assigned gender/sex.

2.

-Said that mulleripathian trans women are misusing the "trans women" label, which completely ignores re-transitioning women (ie; "detrans" mulleripathians, who are re-transitioning into womanhood.) Is their transition back into womanhood not a transition? This also ignores interrupted mulleripathians who wish to transition towards femininity after experiencing androgenizing effects from non-intersex atypical experiences (ie; mulleripathians who had a tumor that produced high levels of androgens, making them non-intersex but also giving them androgenized traits.)

3.

-Told plurals how to identify their genders, as a singlet. It has no right to input on this whatsoever, and should leave that to the plurals within its community. (We swear, no matter how plurals identify their genders, singlets will always argue and never be satisfied.) If you wanna read about our sysmate Weni's experience with this, you can see our reblog of its post here.

4.

-Blatantly stated that it does not support coffeebean transmascs & honeybee transfems.

[puhoyqueer]

Blankstance or -stance: An alternative term to blankqueer, and using the suffix -queer for terms about discourse, stances, and opinions, for anyone who dislikes the -queer suffix being used for things like shipping discourse, system discourse, and other things that aren't queer. Or just feels like the term they're coining doesn't fit accurately under blankqueer. An umbrella term for all stance terms.

Inspired by claystance by @/headbuds (deactivated) and of course blankqueer by @/mogai-pride-flags (deactivated).

Tagging: @blankqueer

Everyone ever can use this word and flag.

[divinecreations]

✦ㅤ— stardeitic

stardeitic - a deitic gender for deities related to stardust, stars, vastness, the night sky, voids and the cold. /a deity of those things

⸺ for : Us/Not requested

⸺ Not exclusive to alterhumans/deitykins, anybeing who identifies with "deity" may use this.

TAGGING : @radiomogai @creaturesthathoard @liom-archive Ask to be removed

COPYABLE ID : a nine stripe flag, the second, third, seventh and eighth strips are scalloped inwards. In top to bottom order the colours are purple, dark purple, lavender, faded purple, lilac, faded purple, lavender, dark purple, purple. In the middle are several dark purple stars going horizontally

[sirenium]

'Safequeer' mfers when people are queer in a way they don't like:

[GIF ID: a toy decor skeleton getting absolutely eviscerated in a blue shredder with silver blades. Said skeleton looks like it's thrashing and flailing about as it slowly gets consumed. End ID]

[mlmjock]

normally i don't do this but if you "selfship" yourself with REAL PEOPLE then i have little to no respect for you. this is completely a parasocial delusion thing, and i know what i am talking about, we have parasocial delusions.

being in love with a person is COMPLETELY DIFFERENT than saying you fucking selfship yourself with them. this shit ain't comfortable for anyone, and everybody will agree with this.

please stop or block us, we fucking don't want people like this interacting with us.

[shenaniganeryfromtheabyss]

i stopped calling myself "radinclus" and switched to proqueer, because most "radinclus" people aren't actually radically inclusive at all. y'all are anti endogenic systems, anti non-dissociative systems, you don't support reclaimed trans-id labels like chronosian or transpecies, talk shit about mspec lesbians and lesbian men, talk shit about men-aligned people in general, and i could keep fuckin going. you say we're the ones ruining the community and are at fault for that underdusted cheeto taking our rights, but you can't stop hating the people burning closest to the bonfire to see the gasonline tank in your hands.

[imoga-pride]

Just because some identity is contradictory to you doesn't mean it can't make sense. Actually, nuanced identities are often contradictory when you know the basics of it, ignoring all details and complexity a multilabeled or combined identity can be.

If you think cisgender nonbinary people can't have a definition bc then it would describe someone who is not cis, then you're in the wrong bc just cause something describes you it doesn't mean it applies or include you bc the identity requires self-identification as well.

Same goes for bi lesbian, demisexual, or lesboy, you 'are technically lesboy' (/demi/lunian) but refuses to label yourself as such? Cool then you're not/don't experience that identity 🤯 and that's okay. But to imply anyone with such identity are not that thing bc it can't exist, then you're being a reality denier, bc ppl with such identities exist regardless if you recognize them or not. For instance, just bc someone uses ungrammatical conlangs doesn't mean that language can't exist. In fact, it's written already and it's on you if you're gonna cry or ignore.

Also transhet people are allowed to be nonbinary; binaryn't transfems/transmascs are allowed to be hetero due to their alignment, presentation, AGAB, or any other typical reason.

[korofessions]

The fact people conclude that people who are neutral on discourse and debates as them being either side is absolutely ridiculous. You are allowed to not take either side — for whatever reason you concluded that you want to be neutral, you can! You shouldn't let people dictate a stance you concluded. We're people with different opinions at the end of the day and we're allowed to have different stances and still be fine with each other.

If you respect people's choices on standing neutral, then it's fine. You cannot force people to pick a side and that's perfectly normal, it's in our nature to say that we're neutral in topics.

[isobug]

Nonbinary flags

( ID : Two flags. The first has four horizontal stripes, in the following colors: orange, white, mossy green and black. The second has five horizontal stripes, in the following colors: orange, yellow, white, mossy green and black. End ID. )

These were made because I found out that the creator of the most commonly used Nonbinary flag had some frankly incorrect and hurtful (at least to myself as an Intersex non-"DFAB" who uses it the way I do) opinions on Genderqueer people and on the label Genderqueer itself. As well as things like this on nir blog (I hope I don't have to explain why it's uncomfortable, especially in the context of the other post). Later edit, this as well.

This is not me saying you have to use this flag or that I hate you if you use the most popular one or anything btw. I've simply just made my own NB flags to use in edits/icons etc. for my own comfort.

These are inspired by this Nonbinary flag:

( ID : A flag with four horizontal stripes, in the following colors: black, white, orange and neon green. End ID. )

which is the second design posted here and is the second oldest known and distinct Nonbinary flag design, along with it's sibling flags. There is an older flag here ( by the same creator, the only difference being a purple stripe ) that I also want to acknowledge as a retroactive inspiration.

( Thanks to @ryanyflags for finding the source for this flag! It was previously uploaded without attribution to the LGBTA wiki and I could not have found it without his help. If you shared the version without attribution please consider resharing it! )

I moved it around a bit and adjusted the colors, I made the green to be more grey to mimic the Agender flag. There's a five-stripe version just for those who'd like a yellow-orange in there.

( ID : Two flags. The first has four horizontal stripes, in the following colors: black, mossy green, white and orange. The second has five horizontal stripes, in the following colors: black, mossy green, white, yellow and orange. End ID. )

Here are some flipped versions if you'd prefer them for whatever reason (maybe to be closer to the original format of the older flag above?)

Free for anyone to use! You can also use this along with any other Nonbinary flag or flags you like or already use. I don't care as long as what ne said is taken seriously / not endorsed. ( Yes this includes nir flag! )

[mogaiminty]

its honestly really frustrating and kinda hurts when people say they support lesboys/turigirls but also say "cis men cant be lesboys" or "cis women cant be turigirls" as if genderqueer , cistrans, adgender, and overall gender diverse cis people dont exist