#mogai discourse

[posting-stuffies]

Original | Exclu comments

Exclus went full circle.

"I'm attracted to one gender" -> "I am bisexual". Lolgic!

[sweet-homeland]

Oh, I just love it when a blog makes a statement and when you ask for them to prove what they say they straight up don't respond! I saw a radqueer, proship, anything the fuck you want say this:

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Ok. Now, NOBODY says "MOGA"??? And then, "historical"?? MOGAI ain't something that's been here for thousands of years! The community is still rather young! Also, no REAL proof of claim for any of the terms (except LGB but I am not talking about that). Also: how. How can the LGBT community, so the LIOM & MOGAI ones, can be anti kink and pro purity culture?? That goes against like. Our own history I fear.

So yeah, no real proof & won't give sources. I think I can mock this person, tbh.

[mlmjock]

I swear to god I am going to crash out if I see one more mogai terms having a flag that's super flashy and really not adapted to disabled people. I am sorry, but I don't want to have a headache every time I open this app.

[identidiary]

another day, another round of disappointment at MOGAI blogs having "mspec gays/lesbians DNI" in their bio. You are the "make up your gender do whatever you want forever" community. Remember this.

[the-firefly-jar-system]

hot take, but i feel like so much discourse is completely redundant at this point. people aren’t arguing anymore for the betterment of their community or to further their own understanding, they’re just arguing to argue

there are so many interesting conversations to be had about these topics, but people have become so hostile and closed-minded that we can’t even have them. there are flaws in every community, and it’s so important to discuss these grey areas and conflicts. there’s very few people i’ll actually talk to about my opinions on these topics, and it’s because i know these people will listen to and discuss with me.

if we can’t realize that our opinions are not objectively correct, then we don’t have any chance of furthering progress in our communities. we are further separating our communities by the hostility we show each other. we need to listen without interrupting, speak without unnecessary hostility, and do all of this with the intention of molding and evolving our perspective. if you don’t think you can do this, then don’t get involved in discourse.

everyone who involves themselves in discourse needs to ask themselves: what their goal is, what would change that goal, and what would change their process to reaching that goal. if your goal will never change, neither will the topics that we’re arguing over. lack of adaptability means lack of evolution

this post has no DNI, but please check our DNI if you interact with the rest of our account

[xqueerneurosisx]

Sorry not sorry, but do y’all not understand what a spit in the face to closeted people in our community it is to announce that “passing as straight,” is some kind of fucking advantage above you that what? ~deserves less resources~ or some bullshit?

It’s not “passing as straight,” you selfish fucking buffoons, it’s called survival.

People still need to stay in the closet to survive, and y’all are acting like a dating partner is gonna- what, “shield some of us” from bigotry? That’s the most backwards shit I’ve ever seen.

[just-take-my-hand]

hi, to the mogai community specifically, longish post please read

its under cut, forgive how speak its how i text.

others stealing your typing quirks isnt a big deal. even if someone mimics how yous texts down to atom you cannot do anything other than askings to stop. they also dont have to stop, its texting.

you cannot steal sources because systems can inj anyone/thing, even if they dunno source well! someones saying they're a character w/o knowing source doesn't harm you!

you guys are very queermisic towards biles, panles, etc; how can you say "gender is whatever you want it to be; labels are dumb!" whilst also hatings queer people that dont fit your perfect queer bubble

some, not alls, of yous need to understand if one is texing weird like me or omitting word its 'cause of autism processings or just how one texts; some of us cannot drop "typing quirk". typing quirk are controllable for most, for the ones that arent controllable get called ablest and ives literallys been told to kms over it befores. it's ridiculous. (tryings to say "its excuse" is ablest, in my opinion. you cannot dictate ones mind yourselfs.)

also a lot of yous need to understands pwnpd and other cluster b disorder arent evil and bad. us pwnpd n whatnots have issues with empathy sometimes (it depend on individual) and arent bad just for existing.

im usuallys dont use the terms "chronically online" often, but these are very chronically online arguments and actions. if you get genuinely upsets at someone copying how you text or share source please talk to someone irl if you can. it's genuinely not healthy to get upset over something so genuinely trivials.

(alsos this no discourse blog, just stating personal opinions on topic matters! please be civil towards me and others!)

[sophieinwonderland]

It's interesting how people who claim you're a singlet and a faker still gender you as a girl, even though you are open that your host is a cis man. It seems to be the standard in this circle of Tumblr to not touch people's gender identities even if you want to attack them, but it doesn't extend to other parts of personhood.

Mostly.

(Note: I got this ask at the beginning of the month before that post. Trying to catch up on some asks I missed today.)

Misgendering doesn't happen often. And more in anons than anywhere else. A lot of the people who send hate anons are just aware enough to not post their opinions on my gender in public in a way that can be linked to their account. (The Survivors' Network admin being an exception.)

I even saw some similar asks sent to anti-endo blogs about me, and the anti-endos basically told the anons to knock it off. 😁

[cloudboundcritters]

"we need more weird queers!!"

you start parroting TERF talking points the milisecond someone says they are a lesboy or gaygirl

you cry when mspec lesbians/gays exist

you refuse to use neopronouns or it/its, even when those are a persons only set of pronouns

you expect a-specs to experience attraction in some way (yes, that includes platonic attraction)

you exclude intersex people

you can't even accept furries.

[u5eername]

person w mogai labels being posted on I Hate Your Webpage's twt acc im crying 😭😭🙏 (tbh the only "bad" thing is "slitter" and "desirautism" depending on what the definition is 4 that person but like. why is this on the acc i don't get it guys)

"Why is there an annoying / hyperfixation flag" BECAUSE ITS FUN!!! WHO IS THIS HURTING

the post if u r wondering

[gizdathemxel]

*gripping my hands so hard on a young trans persons shoulders that their bones are about to break*

do not log on to 4chan.com. do not get involved in passing olympics. you will always lose. do not put afab/amab* in your bio, that is cisgender society trying to know your “real” gender. you do not exist to please cisgender people. there is no ‘right’ way to be trans. learn your goddamn history, listen to your elders. listen to other disenfranchised groups. listen to intersex people and check yourself for intersexism. listen to trans poc and check yourself for racism. listen to disabled people and check yourself for ableism. be open to learning always. labels are meant to fit you, not the other way around. you are not weird or predatory for simply being attracted to others. you’re fine if you’re not a skinny white twink or a barbie doll. you’re fine if your body is ‘weird’. you’re fine if you don’t have heavy or any dysphoria. it’s okay if you actually don’t want to transition or anything like that. life is worth living at any stage, you deserve to be happy. I SWEAR THAT YOU ARE OKAY!!!!!

*ok editing this bc i think there are some major misunderstandings here and also ignorance on my part so lemme clear the air. when i wrote “don’t put tme/tma” in ur bio i did NOT mean to say that discussions around transmisogyny aren’t important or that tme/tma cannot be helpful terminology, and i’m super sorry that it came off that way. also editing bc someone pointed out to me that the original phrasing of this post is very misinforming, so to also clarify, tme/tma was a term invented by transfems to talk about transfeminine experiences which i will admit that i was unfamiliar with the history of tme/tma as a term and was introduced to it through some really bad online queer discourse. but it’s always been of my opinion that discussion around all forms of bigotry, including transmisogyny, are important and need to be had. i explained in a rb, which i’ll link when i have more time, that my issue was with the way the term is used as only identification/oppression olympics rather than genuine nuanced discussion about the ways that transphobia/transmisogyny/transandrophobia/etc function and interact with each other. i advised young trans people to not put tma/tme in their bios, bc i know that the wrong people (not just cis people, but transphobes and assholes who just want to get under your skin) would use any indication of your direction of transition to try and misgender you. or specifically in the case of tma/tme, tell you that your experiences/thoughts are not valid or reasonable bc you were tma or tma.

i realize how not originally clarifying that makes me look stupid (and a transmisogynist), so seriously, i’m sorry for that major mishap. tma/tme are not inherently bad words and you are 1000% allowed to use whatever terminology fits you and your experiences best. so as another word of advice: please do not let some rando on the internet tell you how you should talk about your experiences

(also idgaf if you don’t “log on” to 4chan or that it’s “not a website”, the fact that any of you know that is shameful and upsetting)

[matcha-omega]

EVIL TRANSMASC

A flag for when you're EVIL and transmasc

EVIL Color meanings:

Red: The BLOOD of transandrophobes. also for EVIL gnc transmascs yay yippee yay :3

Cyan: Our TWISTED agenda (supporting our fellow transmascs and the trans community as a whole)

Navy Blue: Our SCARY masculinity/manhood

Blueish Black: Our DARK brotherhood

[mlmjock]

normally i don't do this but if you "selfship" yourself with REAL PEOPLE then i have little to no respect for you. this is completely a parasocial delusion thing, and i know what i am talking about, we have parasocial delusions.

being in love with a person is COMPLETELY DIFFERENT than saying you fucking selfship yourself with them. this shit ain't comfortable for anyone, and everybody will agree with this.

please stop or block us, we fucking don't want people like this interacting with us.

[unpopulartransfag]

I don't really understand why people have a problem with people, especially younger queers, using fun, new, complex or "made up" labels.

There were times when I was younger when I really identified with otherkin and I had a huge list of pride flags to show different facets of my gender identity and personality and you know what?

It was fun and liberating.

And yeah, I "grew out of it", I changed and evolved as a person and gravitated towards different, more "conventional" terms, but that's not a big deal. You're allowed to experiment and play around with different labels while you figure yourself out.

But it's also just as valid and fine if you keep using those terms for the rest of your life.

There's no age limit on neopronouns or mogai identities. You can be 97 and use ey/em/eirs pronouns and identify as a gender fluid boygirl and genderfaun if that's what makes you feel the most like yourself and makes you happy.

And idgaf if people want to hate on mogai, neopronouns, "weird genders"... Really, how the fuck are they hurting you? Unless they're just trolling like a douchebag or it's a MAP thing, people are allowed to do what they want. It doesn't affect you.

"Oh but they make transphobes hate us and mock us!" Transphobes already hate us and mock us, even when we're "normal ". Even when we pass perfectly.

Life is short, gender is different for everyone, worry about yourself.

[nuke-your-mind]

hi. everyone should be whatever they want forever amen. this is a post about gender and sex. yes it includes 14 year olds on tiktok with hyperspecific xenogenders and male lesbians and female gays and detransitioners and cis intersex people and

[oro-junestar]

By cutting out the TQ+, you also cut out:

-Intersex people

-Two-spirit gays and other culturally connected gays

-Gender nonconforming people

-Those who are questioning their sexuality

-Gays, lesbians, and bi's who are supportive of trans people

-Millions of kind, loving, supportive humans who have gone through indescribable, traumatic abuse and wish to build a safe, welcoming community

Why are you so eager to exclude and belittle people? Why do you tell them they 'don't know what real struggle looks like' when their healthcare, their future, and their lives are under attack? Do you truly value 'love', or do you just want to swat away as many people as possible? Why do you continue to hide under a rock and dig yourself deeper into festering hatred, when you can simply come out and support people who can help you?

Wouldn't it be easier to unite with our trans and nonbinary friends to help defeat the growing threat of genuine fascism in our country? Those conservative Christian nationalists and white supremacists who tell you you're "one of the good ones" would gladly turn around and shoot you in a heartbeat, because when they say they're fighting the 'woke gender ideology', they'll mutter in the same breath that you gays are 'degenerates', 'sodomites', and 'animals'. Why would you side with the villains, who see you the same way they see us?

We cannot let oppression continue in any form. We will all be on the winning side of history as we step closer to ending the cycle of hatred and bullying. Open your hearts and minds and you'll find that the everyone around you is just as human as you, and are more similar to you than you'd think. Trans people are people, just like you, and we need your help and support just as much as you need ours.

Isn't it neat how people who are supportive of all LGBTQ+ identities are also kinder, more loving, more empathetic, and more caring towards their friends and loved ones? Just something to think about.

Love wins. Trans rights are human rights.