#quirkless

[moredorkysj]

MHA underestimating humans (quirkless)

"Oh no... here we go, another mha confession from this negative, mha hating bitch!"

I have for a quite long time been annoyed for how quirkless are portrayed in the series. And the only series that do them justice is the vigilante spin off.

I have a big interest in biology and science, and believe me when I say this, humans are the most athletic species on earth. Yes, there are animals that are physically faster and stronger. However, humans are great with many different physical activities. We can lift, run, swim, climb, jump, punch, kick, throw and tackle. Now tell me, how many animals can do all of this?

Humans are also a species that have a great diversity with body mass and height, which can give each individual their own physical specialties. Like, if a person is lean and has long legs, they might be a pretty great runner. Or, if a person is heavy and stocky built, they might be a pretty great wrestler.

Anyway, let's get back to MHA.

In MHA, quirkless are considered "weaker" because they don't have a quirk. But, to that, I say bullshit! I very much doubt that every single person with a quirk is "stronger" than a quirkless pro wrestler or "faster" than a quirkless pro runner! Because not every quirk is about physical abilities.

I also have been hearing this interesting idea, that people with quirks might have higher durability. But I personally don't agree that everyone of them would have it. I don't think a person with the quirk of... let's say; hands made of paper, would be very durable to sharp objects. A "human" might get a slight cut or a gashing wound from a sharp object. A piece of paper would be cut in half, because it doesn't have the same thickness and layers as a human body.

Now, let's talk about All Might after he lost OFA!

I have noticed that there is this take from us fans and Horikoshi himself, that he's weak or sickly weak. And I'm not sure if I fully agree on it anymore.( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

Let's talk about his physicality. He's 220cm(7'3") tall. It's says that his muscle form weighs 255kg(562lbs), realistically his weight would be very similar in his normal form as well. But let us play along. Let's say that he perhaps weighs approximately 90-103kg in his normal form. And the fact that All Might has the ability to flex his muscle like that( muscle form) means that he still have a quite amount of muscle mass. His large height does also build bigger muscles than someone with shorter height but similar build for their size. It's just how physics work. Like how a big tree is heavier than a small tree, even if they have the same girth.

So what is my point with this? Well, my point is that All Might would easily be able to tackle me, a 170cm tall, 67kg woman to the ground. And I'm pretty sure it would be just as easy against a 180cm, 80kg man.

But what about All Might's health. Yes, his health does effect his physical abilities. But I've also read a little about how living with only one lung and no stomach would be like. And the condition is not that bad actually. Yes, he does become breathless faster with only one lung, but he can still run and move without much problem. Like, what we see when he run as an exercise. Living without a stomach isn't much of a hassle neither, All Might mostly just need to think about what he eats, and the menu doesn't really lack protein. About his blood coughing: we're actually never told exactly what causes him to cough blood. It's highly possible that it's caused by something else rather than his lack of a lung or stomach. Could be a something about his only lung?... But, let's just go along with the fact that he coughs up blood if he overworks his body. Can that effect his physicality? obviously yes. But it wouldn't really have an effect on his body strength, only his endurance. I'm quite sure he could punch a bad guy without falling apart.

So where are these action scenes with All Might after he lost OFA? (excluding Iron Might) This is what have been bothering me. All Might would still have the spirit to do knockdowns, no matter his physical disability. This is why I think MHA underrestermate the quirkless (a.k.a real humans).

It would've been awesome if MHA got more into this quirk vs quirkless subject. It would actually have been beneficial for the "prejudice against the quirkless" storyline... that was pushed off.

Justice for quirkless!

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I want to be very clear about something! This is not a critique for different headcanons. This is only about the original mha story and for what's shown in the manga and anime. I welcome any sort of headcanon there is (｡･ω･｡)ﾉ♡

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Thank you for reading this dorky and awfully written essay. It is about a subject I've wanted to share for a while, but didn't have enough courage until today.

If there are ny grammar or spelling errors, I apologies. Writing this long of a text can make me quite sloppy.

[hmperil]

! mha w quirkless s/o:

includes : midoriya , todoroki and bakugo

midoriya : of course he’s extremely understanding of his s/o as he knows what it’s like to not have a quirk. he’ll always be respectful around you and make sure everyone else is as well, he won’t take any disrespect toward you. he’ll get really get really angry at bakugo if he tries to bully you like he did to him when they were younger, isn’t afraid to get physical if he doesn’t back off. if your ever feeling sad or insecure about the fact you’re quirkless he’ll always be there to comfort you and assure you that you’re the bravest person he has ever met, and that you don’t need a quirk to be a hero and help others.

todoroki : wouldn’t have the same understanding as midoriya but would definitely start trying when you two start dating. He never realised how hard it was being quirkless and the amount of shit you get from random people because of it. usually todoroki is a very calm and composed person but the second someone insults you he looses all of his composure, it definitely pisses him off that people make assumptions about you because of your lack of quirk and he will not hesitate to defend you - even if you are not present. he struggles to express his feelings, making it difficult to comfort people but despite that whenever you get sad or insecure because you are quirkless he will do his best to give you the comfort and reassurance that you need.

bakugo : yeah I think we all know how he acted when you first met him - at the start acting completely insensitive and underestimating you. though the more he was forced to hang out with you (because of mutual friends) the more he began realising how cool you actually were and maybeee developed a little bit of a crush. once you eventually get in a relationship he becomes very protective over you, if anyone says ANYTHING about you he will fiercely defend you - definitely getting physical sometimes… when your upset he isn’t the best with comforting you with words and instead shows you how much he cares about you with actions, even if it’s as small as ordering your favourite food or putting on something that you want to watch on the TV.

[bibibbon]

Tbh, I've never understood people saying "because Quirklessness is rare, people don't discriminate against it." This is Japan, a country that enforces conformity. If anything, they WOULD discriminate against the Quirkless because it's different.

I agree with you that the heroes (at least in good consciousness) wouldn't go as far as leaving Quirkless people to the wolves, but you'd definitely see it in the attitudes people have towards their supposed usefulness. Izuku and All Might believed they were useless without a Quirk, and Aoyama's parents went as far as to go to All For One of all people, because they knew how Aoyama would be treated for being Quirkless. That clearly didn't come out of nowhere.

If Hori had the foresight to develop Izuku and the world of MHA more in depth, we most likely would have seen it in action.

Hi @nutzgunray-lvt 👋

I personally do think that quirkless discrimination exists but I do see people who say that it's just there to belittle Izuku or that its not there in the narrative because let's be real we see the effects of quirkless discrimination but not how, where or who or why it exists!

The story is literally about how people aren't born equal yet society limits them into one little box that they must try to fit into and conform into. We see many characters struggle to do this and either feel useless or be labeled as villains or outcasts of the story.

The problem is we see the supposed effects of quirkless discrimination and that's it. We see Izuku and all might have a huge feeling of uselessness, we see yugas parents do anything for their son to be normal and have a quirk even if it hurts him, we see bakugo say that he thought that he (someone with a superior quirk) should be on top of a quirkless being, we see ochako comment to izuku in disbelief that he is going to fight quirkless, we see nighteye's reaction to all might making a quirkless child his successor, we see inko's reaction to izuku being diagnosed quirkless and so on and on.

Like you said reactions like these don't come from anywhere there must be something that causes them. Heck Iam not saying that quirkless discrimination is quirkless people being experimented on or anything like that but they are literally people who don't have an "individuality or quirk" they by society would be seen as people who aren't special and who can't do anything.

I wish we got to see make of quirkless discrimination and in all honesty it made sense if we did since 1) izuku is the main character 2) it would be crucial worldbuiling and 3) it was already something hinted at the beginning of the series.

Heck it's stated that quirkless are shunned away from society but we don't get any more development or Intel other than that

[timdrakesmother]

Naomasa Tsukauchi’s Quirk and How Horikoshi Could Fuck Us Over With It: A Shower Thought

So I was thinking about how fanon often times makes little details about characters and everyone just rolls with it, to the point that if you told someone it’s not canon they’d be in genuine shock.

Example: Tsukauchi’s “quirk”

Now, anyone that’s read any MHA fanfiction with our favorite detective in it knows that his quirk is lie detector

Except it isn’t

Tsukauchi’s quirk has never been revealed in canon, someone just made it up one day and everyone took it as canon.

(I find this so funny because everyone in the MHA fandom has subconsciously agreed on the specifics of his quirk, from its name to how it detects things to what it detects.)

Now, onto my shower thought:

Since Tsukauchi’s quirk has never been confirmed, in reality it could be a myriad of things.

In other words, Horikoshi has a myriad of ways to fuck us over should he confirm Tsukauchi’s quirk

I think the best way that he could do this is to make Tsukauchi quirkless.

Not only would it portray how the quirkless actually exist in society and how they’re treated as adults in present time, but it would also make multiple things in canon better.

The main example that I thought of with this is All Might’s first meeting with Izuku, especially considering how many people hate on AM for telling Izuku he couldn’t be a hero (which in my opinion was fair, but go off ig).

The amount of fics I’ve read where Izuku offs himself or becomes a vigilante because of All Might telling him he should be a police officer instead—

Anyway, that’s a rant for another day.

If Tsukauchi was quirkless, this would change everything about how All Mights words to Izuku should be perceived.

Imagine AM meeting a bright eyed quirkless kid with a fierce need to help people and immediately thinks of one certain detecive friend, so when asked if the kid could be like him, wanting to spare the kid from heartbreak and the stresses of being a hero, tries to set the boy on the same path of said friend, who to All Might is a hero in his own right.

Izuku: Can I be a hero like you, even if I don’t have a quirk?

All Might: *in pain because of hero work* *doesn’t want kid to deal with this shit* uh no not really

All Might: *thinks of his best friend who’s super cool and just like the kid* but you could be a hero in other ways, like a police officer!

All Might: *begrudgingly because his friend is awesome and people should know that* they don’t get nearly as much credit or popularity as they should, but they still do good, honest work!

All Might: *happy that he’s sent a find young man his friend’s way*

Izuku: *dreams crushed* *eyeing the edge of the building*

[captain-ravioli7321]

bnha worldbuilding yap

So y'know how 20% of the population is supposedly quirkless, but Izuku is singled out for being quirkless and it doesn't seem like it's that common?

THEORY. I think the 80/20 percent is based on the WORLDWIDE population. Japan has a lower ratio of quirkless people because of U.A- people with powerful quirks moved to Japan to access U.A, and as a result, more people in Japan have quirks, while quirklessness is probably more common in places with a strong anti-quirk culture or less hero culture.

[tawney]

There's a lot of discourse around the "being quirkless is a disability statement" and while it's not completely right, I don't think it's completely wrong either.

Being quirkless isn't a disability, realistically. But the problem in mha is that it is essentially equivalent to having a disability by their perspective. That's because of how reliant the world is on quirks. Everyone depends on their/other's quirks to function and survive, so not having a quirk essentially means you're "lacking a significant part" like how most disabilities are perceived as. The abuse Izuku experienced from being quirkless is completely rooted in abelism.

Which is where the argument falters, because I don't think enough people realize that something may be treated as a disability in a world where everything is advanced, while it's not treated as a disability in a world without the same advancements. Remember that abelism has many forms

[matchaizuku]

“people are not born equal” is such a banger first line though. too bad quirkless-ness is just glossed over for the rest of the manga i guess

[delawaredetroit]

Calling BS, he did this quirkless.

Sir Nighteye can only use his quirk once a day and otherwise he fights quirkless with the help of support items.

Sure, he was claiming his above average combat ability was due to past quirk use. But the same could have been said for characters like Hawks or Izuku later, who are both also prediction and analysis guys who ended up quirkless after significant combat experience with quirks.

[thenixkat]

My Hero Academia is wild b/c there's mountains of evidence that someone can exercise enough to just straight up become superhuman (ie. scrawny ass Izuku training for 10 months and being able to haul and run with a ~600lb man by the end of it or Stain out speeding a fucking speedster even tho his superpower has nothing to do with enhancing his body) but the narrative insisted until the last arc that people needed actual superpowers (quirks) to be professional superheroes and then the writer decided that after losing his superpowers the MC can get some tech to go back to superheroing.

Like, that's just poorly put together worldbuilding that exists to serve the story the writer wanted to tell without thinking of the implications of shit b/c if every random fucker didn't have superhuman reflexes/durability/strength completely fucking unrelated to their actual superpowers fights would have been a lot more boring.

[kaveat]

One of my favourite things in MHA is the way society is structured to uphold powerful quirks affects the main 3 in such different ways.

Izuku is the most obvious. Being quirkless meant he was seen as inherently less capable. His own mother didn’t believe in him and of course he faced loads of bullying as consequence of his place in society.

I wouldn’t say quirk discrimination is a direct parallel to disability, because he is still able bodied, and a lot of the things he is unable to do are more because of the way society views him rather than his inherent capabilities.

I do see it as maybe a stand in for classism or something of the sort as we see how his lack of a quirk directly hinders opportunities and clearly affects his worldview in a big way throughout the series, especially how he views quirks after growing up in a world that teaches you to revere them.

Then you have the complete opposite in Shoto and the Todoroki family, who show how Society tying a persons merit/worth in direct relation to their quirk also affects those at the top. In the same way toxic masculinity means men under the patriarchy still suffer abuse under their own system as they have to conform to standards that mean sacrificing mental and physical health.

Shoto was of course born to surpass All Might, pushed and abused into a role he never wanted all because he has a strong quirk. Which then also relates to how those with flashy superpowers are upheld and pushed into hero work from birth. Which while also pushing people like Izuku further down, simultaneously traps people like Shoto in a cycle they were given no choice but to take part in.

Then of course you have Katsuki. Who is similar to Shoto in having a powerful quick but is also different because rather than being physically forced to conform under the system he represents not only how quirk society as a whole seems to manipulate and groom kids like him onto a certain path but also how someone can overcome that.

Katsuki bullied Deku for being quirkless. That much is a fact and while it isn’t shown much in the anime there’s so much subtext surrounding the shows themes as a whole that show why it happened, but in a world that actively propels children like Bakugo forward while shoving less powerful kids like Izuku downwards it was practically impossible for them to stay friends.

You can see the propaganda even if it’s just in the way hero’s are placed on pedestals as something all children should want to be, while the access to the very thing society deems important is cut off and streamlined to children with a certain type of quirk.

I mean it’s stated in the first episode that until recently quirkless kids weren’t even allowed to apply to hero schools, which just shows another way they are cut off from the resources other kids are provided.

And that’s not even touching on the variety of other factors. How aesthetics and beauty play into how people with mutant quirks are received (Miriko and Shoji) while you also have the heroic/flashy quirks Vs villainous and subtler types of power. (Izuku and Shinso)

I just love how the themes of this show are so imbedded in the world building and a lot of the show don’t tell aspects reveal a lot more about the world they live in.

[darkcrowprincess]

Izuku Midoriya 430 thoughts:

I always saw Izuku's quirklessness similar to being disabled/having a disability. And it's just nice that Izuku stays quirkless in the end. He shouldn't have to change to be a hero. What made Izuku a hero has always been Izuku. Him getting a suit from his friends(and Bakugo) I see as him being accommodated and accepted for his quirklessness(his disability). Just because you have powers(zero disabilities) doesn't make you a hero(a better human/person) the show has shown us that with All for one. And it really upsets me how a lot of people treats Izuku's quirklessness ending. As if he's less than for not having superpowers. When, hasn't that been the lesson in the manga in the first place? Anyone can be a hero. You don't need superpowers to be a hero.

So to me Izuku got a pretty great ending. Was it perfectly written? No. But I like it just the same.

(Don't like don't read. Post hate and I'll block you!)

[setokaibapetty]

5 + 1 Fic Friday Roundup: Spite Fuels Me

Some fic where spite is a motivator for our intrepid protagonists!

I Karking Hate Qui-Gon Jinn (AO3) - "The first time Mace Windu meets Qui-Gon Jinn, he gets his ass handed to him. From then on, a one-sided enmity is born, and Mace goes the rest of his life making decisions based on one question: what would Jinn do? Naturally, of course, he then does the exact opposite. Mace develops Vaapad, trains Depa Billaba and Obi-Wan Kenobi, makes friends with Dooku, and generally does everything he can to kark Qui-Gon Jinn over."

To the World. With Hate. (AO3) - "Peace was a phenomenon Obito could never say he really experienced. From being the outcast of this clan, to fighting in the Third Shinobi War, to creating a terrorist organization that would help him start the Fourth Shinobi War. It made his life in Japan, different. Not bad per say, but a unique experience he intended to enjoy. Well, that was until life decided to murder his parents and give him back his scars. Life had never been kind to Obito, but in return, Obito was never a kind man."

Glory to the Vindictive (AO3) - "Typically, when people ask ‘what made you want to be a hero?’ the answer is not supposed to be ‘spite’. Or, when former detective Suzume is reborn into a world of heroes without getting any superpowers, she decides she might as well become Batman."

lmao mood, big mood (AO3) - "Some do it for the genuine wish to help people. Most do it for the fame or the money. Todoroki Natsuo becomes a hero out of sheer, unadulterated pettiness."

We don't have a Belfry, but a Roost should suffice (AO3) - "Now that he’s no longer a villain, Dabi has to find something else to motivate him. Hawks finds his new motivation (spite) absolutely hilarious."

Bonus: evaporate (AO3) - "She would make a key to unlock the seal, a dagger to pry it off, a flame to melt it away. Her Tsuna would be whole again."

[1-beansss-1]

Cowboy hebi

YEEHAWWW!

[fics4bkdkbk]

Small Buisness AU (part 1)

So these are what I call Small Buisness fics, where one or both are part of a small buisness like a coffee shop, flower shop, tattoo parlor ect and they meet. The fic typically revolves around them and the location.

Puppies Puppies by Esselle Teen

Length: 15,491 || Chapters: 2  || Completed:5/18/2019 

Main Tags:

Fluff Smut Angst Hurt/Comfort Humor Pro!Hero ABO

NSFW Rating: 0

My Summary: Pet store owner Katsuki meets his new neighbor, tattoo artist Izuku.

daisies bunches and heather branches by halcyonwhispers Teen

Length: 5,862 || Chapters: 1  || Completed: 10/29/2016

Main Tags:

Fluff Smut Angst Hurt/Comfort Humor Pro!Hero ABO

NSFW Rating: 0

My Summary: Izuku is a florist and Katsuki is the new tattoo artist that moves in next door.

Little Shop of Flowers by UglyGreenJackekt Explicit 

Length 11,568: || Chapters: 1  || Completed: 03/07/2023 

Main Tags:

Fluff Smut Angst Hurt/Comfort Humor Pro!Hero ABO

NSFW Rating:  3

My Summary: Izuku owns a flower shop that gets destroyed one day and Katsuki saves him.

Your Sunshine Smile by Catsired GENERAL

Length: 7,016 || Chapters:  1 || Completed: 12/28/2020

Main Tags:

Fluff Smut Angst Hurt/Comfort Humor Pro!Hero ABO

NSFW Rating: 0

My Summary: Katsuki works at a flower shop that Izuku frequents, after mistaking Izuku for getting the flowers for a girlfriend, Katsuki does what he can to make it up to him

The Bitter Baker and His Sweet Cinnamon Roll by CaspertheWitch TEEN

Length:12,358 || Chapters:1 || Completed: 03/05/2020 

Main Tags:

Fluff Smut Angst Hurt/Comfort Humor Pro!Hero ABO

NSFW Rating: 0

My Summary: Katsuki is a baker that Izuku sees almost daily

Fluffy Green hair and Bright Green Eyes by notinthemoodforshit N/A

Length: 10,014 || Chapters: 6 || Completed: 12/20/2020

Main Tags:

Fluff Smut Angst Hurt/Comfort Humor Pro!Hero ABO

NSFW Rating: 2

My Summary: Izuku owns a flower shop and Katsuki owns a tattoo parlor and they grow a new relationship together

All of Me by MissLorali EXPLICIT 

Length: 12,492 || Chapters: 1 || Completed: 01/12/2022 

Main Tags:

Fluff Smut Angst Hurt/Comfort Humor Pro!Hero ABO

NSFW Rating: 4

My Summary: Katsuki finds a new coffee shop and meets Izuku, he’s instantly enamored by his feisty attitude.

Sweeter than honey by bittermoons TEEN

Length: 2,902 || Chapters: 1 || Completed: 12/20/2019

Main Tags:

Fluff Smut Angst Hurt/Comfort Humor Pro!Hero ABO

NSFW Rating: 0

My Summary: Katsuki and Izuku own a bakery together but aren't together (yet) even if everyone thinks they are

Love (Won’t) Tear Us Apart by Golden_Writes TEEN

Length: 8,821 || Chapters: 1 || Completed: 10/23/2020

Main Tags:

Fluff Smut Angst Hurt/Comfort Humor Pro!Hero ABO

NSFW Rating: 0

My Summary: Izuku goes into Katsuki's record shop and is instantly attracted to him, even if Izuku has no idea about music

The Art of Roasting Coffee beans and Entitled Heroes by Andie_02 TEEN 

Length: 50,613 || Chapters: 20 || Completed: 06/19/2024

Main Tags:

Fluff Smut Angst Hurt/Comfort Humor Pro!Hero ABO

NSFW Rating: 0

My Summary: Izuku had finally saved up enough to open his own cafe, little did he know that it was in the same area of his childhood’s friend/bully’s agency area also.

[spiderbae2319]

Y’all ever get really offended on behalf of a fictional race of people?

[imnotsorryforanyofthis]

Quirkless Advantage

Links to chapters

OK!!! I am finished posting all of the chapter! Enjoy this crazy, cringy, funny story.

Also Warning: lots and lots of cussing in this story.....

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Prologue

Chapter one: Where the hell am I?

Chapter two: Complicated Explanation

Chapter three: Aizawa

Chapter four: Quirk

Chapter five: U.A.

Chapter six: Classes and Starting War

Chapter seven: Bandages and Books

Chapter eight: Dates and Annoyances

Chapter nine: Shit is about to go down

Chapter ten: U. A. Sports Festival

Chapter eleven: NOT A DATE

Chapter twelve: Haru and Name

Chapter thirteen: Grilled Cheese and Tomato Soup

Chapter fourteen: Take me out on a date first

Chapter fifteen: Hero Killer

Chapter sixteen: Knife

Chapter seventeen: Tree House

Chapter eighteen: Memories

Chapter nineteen: Fall and Rescue

Chapter twenty: A home vs. a house

Chapter twenty-one: Vivid

Chapter twenty-two: What exactly is this?

Chapter twenty-three: Coffee and Packing

Chapter twenty-four: Camp fun

Chapter twenty-five: Kids...they're annoying

Chapter twenty-six: Text Message

Chapter twenty-seven: Fell asleep

Chapter twenty-eight: Don't hide, just run

Chapter twenty-nine: Haircut

Chapter thirty: Dark Knight in Blue Flames

Chapter thirty-one: Coming with us

Chapter thirty-two: A change of clothes

Chapter thirty-three: Making a Deal with Devils

Chapter thirty-four: Fight

Chapter thirty-five: Trust

Chapter thirty-six: Bakugou

Chapter thirty-seven: All for one

Chapter thirty-eight: Now I know why

Chapter thirty-nine: Heroes to the rescue

Chapter forty: So many questions

Chapter forty-one: Leave

Chapter forty-two: No... wait... stay

Chapter forty-three: So much noise

Chapter forty-four: I hate saying this but -

Chapter forty-five: You Owe Me

Chapter forty-six: Text message...again

Chapter forty-seven: How the fuck -

Chapter forty-eight: Desires

Chapter forty-nine: Only Us

Chapter fifty: Don't worry, I'll fix this

Sorry not sorry

Done!!!