#syscourse fictive

[traumagenicfictiveculture]

I didn’t see any blogs who are for fictives of traumagenic systems only and I needed one so I just made it.

If you have any confessions or vents or anything you wanna ask about system shit and you have fictives/factives/ect feel free to send it here.

[kaboom--bitch]

Treating your headmates like separate people isn't worsening your condition by default by the way. Treating them with respect isn't making you dissociate more. Final fusion is a fine thing to try and achieve, but people need to understand that functional multiplicity is a thing you can work to achieve in therapy too. Please stop pushing the idea that you need to treat your headmates like a disorder or curse in order to heal. You can be happily multiple if you want that.

[c0bra-sys]

[kimthemangoguy]

i think we should be more considerate about how we talk about introjects

i see a lot of silly posts like "unfortunately we split a fictive" or "enjoying a show trying not to introject a character" and like. it seems kinda rude to assign shamefulness to introjection compared to your brain just splitting someone without a source

i know there's a lot of reasons people feel this way, just saying to keep in mind that this can hurt headmates within your system and outside of it, and can contribute to them feeling unsafe to talk/front or adds to their stress if they feel like they shouldnt exist, both counterproductive to them just, idk healing or enjoying life in general

[adam-the-fictive]

I swear, some people are allergic to positivity. "Oh no the traumagenic tag is full of pro-endos, I'm so MAD about this!" Dude. Take a chill pill, first off. Second off, plenty of traumagenic systems are pro-endo because they find more of a COMMUNITY in those spaces. There is no contradiction.

Ask me, would we as a traumagenic system rather be in a space full of people who debate and rage against the existence of non-traumagenics and build up an atmosphere of fear of being fakeclaimed? Or in a community with an emphasis on positivity that accepts people for who they claim to be?

Maybe we traumagenics don't know everything about plurality? What happened to live and let live? Maybe we'd rather just talk about our experiences as they are, regardless of whether or not we came from trauma, and bond over the thing we DO have in common--- plurality?

Sorry but the second option sounds more like a community to me. And my system and I will never apologize for choosing it.

If you make your bed in fear, you have to lie in it. If you make your bed in kindness, you'll have a damn good night's sleep.

[insysor]

introjects and their sources

introjects are just like any other alter.

i see a lot of people be fake claimed for being introject heavy (having a lot of introjects). we are not introject heavy but i think its important to say that whether or not an alter is an introject has no effect on their validity.

a lot of our introjects are uncomfortable being publicly known due to the stigma.

[attentionneedyqueen]

"Fictives aren't their source" maybe yours aren't but ours are LOL

[tearosecafe]

i <3 u fictives

fictives who have the same likes/dislikes as they do/did in source

fictives who hate the things they liked and/or love the things they disliked in source

fictives who are only fictives by origin, not appearance, name, personality, etc

fictives who present/look different than their source

fictives who like sourcemates

fictives who don't like sourcemates

fictives who use neopronouns/xenopronouns

fictives with "problematic" sources

multisourced fictives

fictives who are a different age than they were in source

fictives who have source memories

fictives who don't have source memories

fictives from niche/obscure sources

fictives who hate the things they did in source

fictives who are proud of the things they did in source

fictives who experience dysphoria related to the body's voice, appearance, or presentation

fictives who experience little to no dysphoria

fictives with roles that match their source/character

fictives with roles that don't match their source/character

roleless fictives

i <3 u :)))

-🧷🩷

[qtallulah]

having “syskids and littles are not allowed to talk in this server / are ONLY allowed to talk in the littles-only chat where they can’t swear or engage in any topic more adult than my little pony” as your server rules is weird as hell!

you dont say “traumaholders aren’t allowed” or “persecutors aren’t allowed.” its *only* ever with littles!

i am SO tired of constantly having to defend my existence to random people on the internet. i, for example, am *the host* of my system. i front 80% of the time. are you saying im not allowed to talk in your server 80% of the time?

its ableism, imo! i am tired of being infantilized every time i bring up my age as an alter!! i will simply lie to you!

[fandomsoda]

Making a post like this since I wasn’t able to find one but-

introjects are allowed to be upset when something bad happens to their source, actually!

introjects are also allowed to be upset if you’re rude about their source. I think they’re allowed to be upset at you for being a dick about the very thing that inspired their existence. (within reason)

introjects do not have to source-separate! A certain degree of separation is necessary to function, but asking an introject to just force source separation when they do not want it is not only rude, but also incredibly harmful! It can be really damaging.

source separation is a personal choice! Not a requirement. Hell, some introjects have the emotions and complexities surrounding their source baked into them as a part of how they function and who they are. It’s not possible for every introject to source-separate.

Introjects are allowed to feel strongly about the things that have influenced their existence, whether it be simple loose inspiration or being the exact body and life they lived in. End of discussion.

[manyminded]

please be normal abt endogenic systems and polyfrag systems and fictive heavy systems and systems w/o fictives and non-disordered systems etc etc etc. I’m tired

[theloverscrypt]

General syscourse I agree with.

1. LEAVE PEOPLE TF ALONE AND MIND YOUR BUSINESS. "They have a lot of fictives" MIND YOUR FUCKING BUSINESS. "They're self dxd" MIND YOUR DAMN BUSINESS. "B- b- but they don't force their fictives to source separate" MIND. YOUR. BUSINESS. Don't police how other systems work.

2. ✨ system fucking accountability ✨ is a must. like yeah some ppl can't control their alters and their actions, but don't try and avoid responsibility by saying it's another alter.

3. endos are ableist, end of. you can only be a system with trauma.

[decayflux-protocol]

Controversial Opinions (Source Separation Edition):

Fictives do not need to change their name and appearance to be source separated. Alters/parts introject for a reason, and if they like what their source's name or appearance is, fucking let them.

Source Separation does not mean absolutely denying the existence of their source. It means being aware that they're not actually the character/person they're based on.

Source Separation should not be forced, and doing so does more harm than anything else. Every system has their own pace, stop forcing "healing" onto them.

Istg I'm getting so heated by most of syscourse's takes. Almost all of them are so incredibly stupid.

-Fiona

[ratinacoat]

Endos are not discriminated against

Someone not sharing your belief is not discrimination. The concept of being multiple people/souls/spirits/entities in one body is entirely spiritual. Bringing that into CDD spaces and expecting to be welcomed like you have similar experiences is ridiculous. PwCDD's are allowed to dislike endogenics who use CDD terms (split, switch, dormant, ect) to describe their spiritual belief. PwCDD's are allowed to dislike endos telling questioning systems that you can be "plural" without DID. PwCDD's are allowed to dislike endos who act like they face day to day discrimination just because they aren't welcome in system spaces.

Before you say "endos aren't invading CDD spaces" many are. You may not be, your friends may not be, but a lot of endos do this. Enough that pwCDDs are hurt by it.

Endogenics are not discriminated against. Stop forcing your beliefs on people. Claiming anti-endos are discriminating against you is the same logic as Christians who think Atheists are discriminating against them.

[wiredshark]

Not you saying "endos dni" and then using the word fictive which has been traced back to being coined by endos

Not endos literally stealin every fuckin OSDD/DID term under the sun

Not you hidin behind anon like a pussy

Not you crossin DNI just to hate on one rando on the internet

Not you wastin ur time sayin that instead of gettin a life

I could go on? xoxo

Endos make a mockery of actual traumatised people. Either yall have gaslighted urself into this shit or have repressed trauma. Either way, endos ain’t valid and never will be. Endo rhetoric is harmful misinformation. Come to me when endos stop invadin actual system spaces, okay? x

[plurapony]

all about introjects!

INTRODUCTION & DISCLAIMER: This post has been on the back burner for months, but was inspired by recent incorrect information spreading regarding introjects (i.e. 9/10 introjects are factives of abusers) This will be a long post so strap in! Each subtopic will be divided into sections for easy viewing.

Section 1: Clarification On What "Introjects" Are.

When I talk about introjects I am talking about 3 specific types of introjects:

Standard Introjects These are the most common type of introject. Most fictive/factives fit into this category as a Standard Introject simply introject few or many personality traits/quirks from something pre-existing.

Concept Introjects These are introjects that are founded on a concept. For us they usually happen when gaining an introject that we are unfamiliar of the source - so the traits that are introjected are assumptions we made.

Grounded Introjects These are introjects that aren't really introjects at all. They have their own unique personality traits and qualities but have their identity tied to a pre-existing character in order to be grounded to reality.

There are some gray areas and some parts that will not fit into these categories, and that's okay. There are some parts who will present as a Standard Introject but refuse to identify with the label of "Introjects". It's important to remember that if a part wants to identify as an introject that decision is ultimately up to them and them only.

Section 2: Introject Rarity/Prevalence Outside DID

Introjects aren't rare. Many people like to act like introjects are a super rare phenomenon and therefore all introject heavy systems must be lying or faking - but that's not the case. Simply put? Introjects are drawing their identity from a pre-existing source.

It's not limited to DID either! Sometimes people want to base their identity off a character they like (have you ever seen the people who spend thousands on surgeries to look like a celebrity?) and there's nothing wrong with that. Other disorders that present with identity issues also have introjection such as autism and BPD. It's just not that much of a big deal! It can happen and there's nothing wrong with it when it happens.

If you're interested in learning more: here's a Wikipedia article about (non DID specific) introjection!

Section 3: Types of Introject Sources

When looking at the discussion of introjects online there are two types of statements I see often - "Most introjects are of abusers" & "Most introjects should be from childhood/of childhood media"

I've extensively looked online and I cannot find any verifiable statistics regarding the prevalence of the types of introject sources, so I'm going to go off a purely anecdotal and logical lens.

For us personally? Of all our introjects approximately 5% are of past abusers. It's important to note that even if you know a system you will not know whether they have introjects of abusers! Most of our parts who are introjects from abusers feel incredibly ashamed by it and have distanced themselves from their source. It's very difficult for them to have their identity tied to such horrible people and it's a secret they prefer to keep. I don't really understand that view that the most common introject are of abusers, there may be a need to introject for protection/dealing with trauma but abusers are not going to have "admirable traits" and at a certain point there isn't going to be a need for the brain to introject more of them.

Childhood introjects! Now this is something I like to talk about! Oddly enough, many of our introjects from childhood have showed up later in our recovery process as they held trauma we were not able to handle at the start of our recovery. It makes sense logically that if you are heavily prone to introjection in adulthood, you probably were heavily prone to introjection in childhood and visa versa! And that's the part that most people don't understand, they will argue that most introjects should be from childhood and neglect the fact that it makes sense logically that someone who had many introjects as a child will also have many introjects as an adult.

Section 4: Hyperfixations & Introjects

This is one of the possibly most misunderstood part of introjects. You cannot have introjects from a hyperfixation ALONE - due to the fact that all splits are going to be negatively induced. But if you are experiencing stress and trauma while you have a hyperfixation? Of course it's possible.

Let me break it down for you and explain how a hyperfixation takes over your brain. You find this new thing (show, game, etc) and it's something you really enjoy. So for the next two weeks every waking moment you spend interacting with the hyperfixation. You go to sleep thinking about your hyperfixation, you wake up excited to interact with your hyperfixation. You disengage completely with the outside world and escape into this hyperfixation. It controls every aspect of your life and you just have to comply with the hyperfixation in order to get your happy brain chemicals.

So... Why is it such a strange concept to gain an introject during that time? It's in your brain 24/7 for an extended period of time, why would it be odd for the hyperfixation to influence your split?

Thank you for reading if you made it this far!!! I've been meaning to make this post for SOO long!! I hope you learnt something and if you didn't, I hope my words resonated with you! 🩷