#tulpas are invalid

[bloodonvalentine]

i wish i wasn't a system. i wish i could be normal. live a normal life. remember things i need to remember and forget the things i should forget. i wish i wasn't a system.

[bloodonvalentine]

hey @sophieinwonderland you should totally read this and learn what an awful excuse for a human you are

actually, since i already commented on your post about tulpas and how they pissed me off; im gonna do it again. in detail.

note: i am a former buddhist, i live in a buddhist country. (95% of thais are buddhists) and pretty much been surrounded by it. im asian. saying it before people jump at me because im terrified as shit

as i mentioned, tulpas are stolen and bastardized completely from a tribe of tibetan buddhists, and the practice itself isn't even a system thing. while thai buddhism and tibetan buddhism are different in their own way, i am very fucking pissed off that they just saw the concept of a thoughtform spirit that helps you meditate, overcome your fear and guide you to nirvana (because that's the main purpose of buddhism) and turn them into "oh! we make alters because we can due to our meditation and we're spiritual so that totally excuses using a generally closed practice! we're not harming anyone!" total bullshit.

i don't want (and sorry if i'm a bit mean) those bigoted fucks stealing basically my culture since im attached to buddhism in general, i grew up with it. and "tulpa systems" slapping it on themselves for the sake of being "unique". i have seen countless comments and posts about how its always the white/non asian people that say "no its not a closed practice, its not cultural appropriation :) actually you should be glad we're appreciating your culture in the first place" fuck off! appreciating culture is fine, but you bastardize it so much and dumb it down to just "making alters/imaginary friends" are you just hearing yourself? are you stupid? are you braindead? god, im getting so angry again.

i have also seen "tulpamancers" insulting actual asians like me who speak against tulpas, saying that we're just "asian token of a character" or that we're "closed minded" and should accept these assholes who dont know what theyre doing into my culture and blatantly disrespecting it, spitting on it and just taking one practice that fits their narrative. wow, talk about being appreciative while half of your community does shit like this to actual buddhists, huh? real nice of you. way to go, you cultural appropriating fucks. /vneg

i cannot count how many times asian culture is so whitewashed on the internet, people that just take our tradition and do whatever the hell they want with it, including making a system out of thoughtforms, which is not possible whatsoever. and for what? FOR WHAT? for your own sick entertainment and enjoyment of having a imaginary friend in your head? try dissociating so hard you cry yourself to sleep you absolute pillock. this is a very angry submission, but it just frustrates me so much. all of the insulting "yous" are directed towards "tulpamancers" that they proudly call themselves. by the way. sorry if it sounded like it was directed at you, im just so angry at the moment.

one last thing. Stop. Using. The Term. Tulpa. For your system. Please!!!!. tulpa systems are not a thing and will never be. End of story. Nothing will change that. Endos fuck off. im sick of your shit. thanks for reading my angry rant.

-azriel for the majority of this, rox/virus proofreading some of the parts, thanks for letting us vent ^^

i dont have much to add, please read this ^^

[reisspecialcorner]

Sorry if this seems rude, I'm simply uneducated on the subject

I'm a DID system and have a theory on endogenic systems, which you seem to either be or know quite a bit about

Please tell me if there are any aspects of this you might agree/disagree on

(pls say if you agree/disagree, I'm not trying to invalidate or anything it's just a theory 😅)

Soo my current theory is that tulpas, willogenics and any kind of 'created' system are some form of maladaptive daydreaming

So, maladaptive daydreaming is a disorder (currently not medically recognised last time I checked) where one has a complex world in their head that they are actively making, imagining, with characters, a plot/plots etc. it impairs the ability to function because beings with the disorder want to always daydream/may act out the daydreams

So what if 'created systems' was a form of maladaptive daydreaming where instead of daydreaming and the plot/world, the main focus is the CHARACTERS

So consciously or subconsciously the maladaptive daydreamer or 'created system' 'switches' into the different characters and the characters all have their own identity and the 'core' of the 'created system' consciously or subconsciously acts like the characters made, thus thinking that they are multiple/plural

Idk I get the feeling I might be onto something, but who knows

Might just be my yapyapyapyapyapative AHH spitting utter nonsense

PLEASE TELL ME YOUR OPINION ON THIS IM NOT TRYING TO BE RUDE ITS A GENUINE THEORY IM NOT BEING HATEFUL IM SORRY IF I CAME ACROSS THAT WAY :[

-R

no, you dont sound hateful, and this may be controversial but in some cases, and without other coping mechanisms for stressful situations, this could be the case in some instances

i dont think this applies to all created systems obv but i do agree you may be onto something, that in some cases esp in cases where systems are created on purpose as a coping mechanism. not all systems but i do think many who identify as having intentionally fostered the creation of a system likely did so as a means of companionship, stress relief, or aid in daily activites. and like all things, that can become maladaptive. the key is that maladaptive daydreaming is inherantly HARMFUL, so this only applies if their systemhood becomes a detriment to their life.

in my opinion, it could be possible for someone to develop a system as a result of maladaptive daydreaming, and also for the maladaptive daydreaming to BE the systemhood/members if that makes sense. Caused by the thing (and still present once the daydreaming subsides) versus being a part of the thing (and going away once the daydreaming is treated)

DISCLAIMER, however, i want to emphasize that you not fall into the trap of trying to go for people and specifically suggest that they might be a maladaptive daydreamer. that just seems all too similar to going into someones acc and saying "youre delusional" and feels hurtful and devalidating to many. this information is useful, but it is not your place to claim that specific systems are experiencing this, unless they say so publicly themselves first.

rei isnt fronting right now so apologies if i sound a little different, but i havent opened tumblr in a hot second and this has been marinating in the askbox for a while so im just going to answer it (also!! i see you are anon and i do not want to blast you publicly if you dont want to bc this community can be hateful at times, but if youre comfy, dm me!! You seem like a very interesting person to talk to or at least follow, i wanna know who you are 🙏)

[quoigenicfromhell]

It's so wild because I have quibbles with the tulpa community(tm) (mostly how it's very host-centric and there's occasionally a weird undercurrent of ownership that seemingly has to be worked through by hosts who aren't used to sharing their life.

(this isn't unique to tulpa/willo folks, because our host had this issue too, but I find the intentional creation aspect to worsen this)

It occasionally makes me uncomfortable when willogenic headmates talk about themselves as property or like. Subordinate to the host, just because we went through that and realized what a deleterious effect it was having on our collective.

HOWEVER

that is MY ISSUE. if I'm uncomfortable that's something I have to work through or overcome and my feelings are not the fault of willogenic systems as a whole or even as individual systems! If you are uncomfortable or feel invalidated by willogenic systems that is a you problem, and not something you have to try to make into a syscourse movement. Fetch isn't going to happen, Gretchen, let people exist in the configuration that feels best to them. Claiming willogenic headmates are impossible as a pro-endo or Endo system is incomprehensible.

[sysmedsaresexist]

Hello there!

Im coming from a place of genuine curiosity; I have a genuine interest in Psychology but im still very new to the topic. At the same time I have multiple friends who are Plural, ranging from DID to Endogenic and I have been trying to learn to better understand em but also myself.

I am a bit confused with regards to certain stances or understanding what you are trying to imply, I apologize if this is something you've made obvious in the past.

You've done a 180 from your old Anti-Endo stance yet looking through some posts I feel like a lot of evidence you share would be against Endogenic Plurality no? Mind ya I know your focus is still mainly CDD systems so there wouldn't be much opportunities to share research on that, but im regardless confused at what appears to me like a back and forth on the validity of Endogenic and the stance the Plural community has on including multiple systems under its umbrella... or am I misunderstanding some things? (I do struggle with sarcasm so apologies).

Apologies should this come off as confrontational, im just a bit confused reading through the various posts.

You're not coming off as confrontational! Though I'm not completely sure I understand the question. I'm going to try my best!

The beliefs of the mods on this blog vary. We all have different ideas about how CDDs work and what's possible in and outside of them. This makes us a really great team for tackling some of the more complicated questions where we can showcase a few different opinions.

I think, generally, we're in agreement about a few core things.

CDDs are childhood trauma disorders. That won't change. That's just a fact. This is in the DSM.

In my opinion, CDDs are not plural and should NOT be included under the plural umbrella. I think lumping a traumatized and disordered group of individuals under an umbrella specifically meant for non disordered experiences is a bad idea. TPA, I'm looking at you telling CDD systems they're not allowed to have personhood for benefitting from a medical view.

Some of this shit hurts. Like not just hurts the CDD community, but it's a punch to the gut.

Also, in my opinion, and living comfortably alongside that, plural and CDD experiences overlap for some people, but this isn't universal and shouldn't be treated as such. It does happen, though, and those experiences are valid and should be respected. I don't go into conversations looking to change minds or prove someone is traumagenic, I'm genuinely interested in hearing about people's experiences and trying to reconcile my own beliefs and ideas with new information. Occasionally, this is a mutual exchange of ideas, and minds DO change. Sometimes mine, sometimes theirs. This isn't a case of turning pros to antis or vice versa with gotchas, though. I've shifted my mindset from arguing to simply sharing as much information as I possibly can. Everyone should be armed with all the accessible information. These arguments would be a lot less volatile if we all had access to the same base articles and info.

In my opinion, there's still a lot of rampant misinformation in pro/endo communities. TPA makes me want to tear my hair out.

My belief in this needed separation does nothing to invalidate endogenic systems, and doesn't say they can't exist. The misinformation I'm talking about isn't their existence.

I think I'm actually the only blog to have a post dedicated to links about the Stanford tulpa studies. I could be wrong, but I don't think anyone else compiled them for easy access and linking.

My blog is still focused on CDD research and correcting some of the myths and misinformation, but I don't think this invalidates endogenic plurality in any way.

I do, on occasion, post research into endogenic systems, but that isn't my focus. I would actually say my focus has shifted to interacting with anti endos to introduce them to some of the ideas that helped open my mind.

I am NOT the most pro endo system on this platform, but I am pro endo--

And I am trying to act as that bridge between communities with the best intentions possible. I know, I know, the road to hell is paved with good intentions, but I... ultimately hope that in the end, I help both communities, in my own unique way.

At the very least, I don't want to cause more harm for either community.

My unique way, though, does not discount the existence of plurality, it's just not my focus, and I'm still battling basic misinformation in the process, which can get... messy. At times.

I hope this answers the question, genuinely, feel free to come back to talk more!

[sirenium]

Greetings and salutations to trans men who are lesbians. You aren't straight if you don't identify as such, and you're certainly not invalidating other experiences! There's no one way to experience being a trans man, nor is there a wrong way to express being a lesbian.

Hello and welcome to people who otherwise identify as lesboys for whatever reason! Are you multigender? Cool! butch who also considers themself a man? Tubular! Genderfluid? Rad! Man adjacent regardless of gender? Wicked! Keep being you!

Guten Tag, Guten Abend (good day, good evening) to gaybians! Don't let nobody tell you your identity is invalid. You're allowed to use all the labels that feel comfortable to you!

Make some noise for the people who use/identify with xenogenders! It's your gender, so do whatever you want with it! This includes those of us who are xenic adults, as well.

Can we get a warm welcome for endo systems? How about tulpas? You're not racist or ableist for having a different system origin! Mixed origin? Quoigenic? Any other type of origin? Y'all are rad, too. Keep being you.

Keep vibing, everyone I mentioned here, as well as those with any other good faith identities I missed!

[bloodonvalentine]

yappa yappa yappa your mouth is moving much like a rat's

Anti-Endos Don't Deserve a Safe Space!

Alright, if you saw this it in the tags, you can guess what I'm responding to.

Anti-endos and neutrals need to learn that anti-endos are just bigots and bullies looking for an outgroup to dehumanize and send hate to. They don't care about science. They don't care if anything they say is true. They only care about hurting people for being different!

Since when is Tibetan Buddhism a closed culture? Let alone a "VERY" closed culture?

In reality, Tibetan Buddhism is an open religion and a proselytizing on that encourages people around the globe to join! And the Dalai Lama, the highest spiritual authority in Tibetan Buddhism, has even encouraged Christians and the West to use Tibetan Buddhist meditations.

“Many Christians tell me they believe in Buddhist meditation, which can be learned by Christians. We teach right attitude. We teach meditation, which can be quite deep. These would be things that the West can take, and I think it is clear that Buddhists should practice certain Western methods, too.”

These are the words of the religions' highest authority figure!

Stop trying to declare the Tibetan Buddhist religion closed just so you can use them as a talking point to spread hate!!!

Since this is invading inclusive and pro-endo tags, as always, my response is going into anti-endo tags. If anyone takes issue with this, please hold your own community accountable for invading our spaces and take it up with @the-helside-sys.

I don't believe anti-endos deserve a safe space to spread hate but I'm willing to allot them one so long as they aren't breaching into inclusive and pro-endo spaces and aren't tagging hate posts like this:

But I'm actually not done yet!

I want to respond to another one of their posts!

First, this isn't true. A scientific theory has to be testable, and has to be tested and supported by evidence. But it's not necessarily "generally accepted as truth."

And with soft sciences, what constitutes a theory can be a bit questionable. See many of Freud's psychoanalytical theories.

This isn't really relevant. It's just an important point I want to bring up for people putting too much stock into psychological theories as if they're accepted facts.

Structural dissociation is meant to cover a very specific form of multiplicity.

Endogenic systems aren't ignoring the theory of structural dissociation because the theory of structural dissociation does NOT support anti-endo claims.

The author of the theory have stated that it may be possible for self-conscious dissociative parts of the personality to exist through other means, citing hypnosis and mediumship as examples:

The theory of structural dissociation's own creators are, at worst, neutral on endogenic systems acknowledging that trauma may not be the only way for self-conscious "dissociative parts" to form.

And you will not find a single paper saying the only way to be plural is through trauma. It doesn't exist!

Anti-endo views are not backed or supported by science or experts in any way!

...

Now, back to the title... Like I said... anti-endos don't deserve a safe space. But this isn't about what anyone deserves to me. It's about escalation.

I'm willing to let anti-endos keep to their bigotry in their own spaces for the time being so long as they behave and keep it there.

But continuing to post hate in our tags is unacceptable. Currently, I avoid posting in anti-endo tags to keep the peace except for posts like this. And even in posts like this, I don't post in DID or OSDD tags out of respect even when discussing those topics.

But it's certainly something I could do. Were anti-endos to continue to erode boundaries between spaces and encourage their followers to invade inclusive and pro-endo tags, I would have no problem appropriately tagging my posts that are about DID with "#DID" and similar tags. It wouldn't be against the rules of the site because my posts are about the topic I tag it with. And why maintain a boundary if it's only going to be respected by one side?

So to people who feel it's important to maintain separation between communities... I'd highly advise you do better at policing your own community's crosstagging so that we can all maintain our safe spaces, whether you feel we deserve to or not. Thank you! 😊

(This applies to both the explicitly endogenic and pro endo tags, as well as the plural and plurality tags given that "plural" was a term coined by non-disordered systems and is inherently inclusive.)

[bloodonvalentine]

real punks aren't ableist fakers

[npdevil]

No, because I'm looking in the endogenic / tulpa / tulpagenic tag to find posts for my friend (he's going to create a system) and there's ALWAYS an anti endo being annoying on OUR tags, why are you posting on #tulpas if you're going to invalidate tulpas ???

[ratinacoat]

This is a question I wanted to ask you, since I saw a specific poll and another post and that made me wonder. What do you think about traumaendo systems with a CDD being in CDD-only spaces? There are some people who insist that they shouldn't be in those spaces, enough so that they tell those systems directly.

I think they should be allowed in CDD spaces, but that’s because of why most people I see use the traumaendo label. Those reasons for using it being: They have trauma but not enough to cause DID, they have DID but some of their alters formed without trauma, or they have a CDD but hold some sort of spiritual belief/believe in tulpamancy.

Starting plain and simple, if someone with a CDD holds a spiritual belief that’s okay. It doesn’t make their disorder fake just because they believe they share a body with a spirit/soul/person or something. That only becomes a problem if they start comparing their belief to the disorder, acting as though it’s a part of the disorder, or pushing it onto other people/forcing the belief onto others. Even if someone with a CDD believes in tulpamancy, a tulpa is entirely different from an alter. Alters are dissociated states, a tulpa is basically an imaginary friend turned sentient, according to that belief. Same goes for someone who thinks they share a body with a spirit/soul/person. That wouldn’t be a dissociative state, so it wouldn’t be an alter.

Moving on to the other two reasons, a lot of people seem to invalidate their experiences/trauma with this label. I always see people saying they’re traumaendo/mixed origin because their trauma wasn’t bad enough to cause DID. They were just neglected so it doesn’t count. Their parents weren’t abusive so it doesn’t count. The thing is though.. If the only reason you’re traumaendo is because your trauma “wasn’t bad enough”, you’re not traumaendo. You’re just traumagenic, as much as I don’t like using that term on CDD systems. You don’t need to go through horrific trauma to form DID. Everyone handles things differently. Trauma is the aftermath, not the event itself.  After someone develops DID trauma isn't the only thing needed to split either. Stress can cause splits. You don't have to know why you split to still have split. It doesn't make newer alters endogenic just because you don't know what caused them, they weren't caused by trauma, you "didn't go through enough" to split, etc. The brain doesn't create new dissociative barriers for no reason. Sometimes you don't remember the reason, sometimes the reason doesn't seem as bad as others. It doesn't make you traumaendo, that's just how your brain learned to handle distress.

So yes, I do think they should be allowed in CDD spaces. No one should be excluded from their own community for personal beliefs, labels, or having trouble accepting that what they went through was bad.

[sophieinwonderland]

"There's no scientific backing for endogenic systems and tulpas" says the Lemur Therian

I'm sorry, I didn't realize Mr. Lemur that you needed scientific evidence to support people's identities and experiences.

So um, just for the rest of the class, @that-lemur, can you show us the proof that you are, in fact, a lemur internally?

Because without scientific backing, I just don't know why anyone should believe you, by your standards... 🤷‍♀️

Oh wait.

When it's your identity, your position is...

Got it!

Anyway, reminder that the Alterhuman community is inclusive. It has always been inclusive since the term was coined, including plural and walk-in identities. (Walk-ins generally referring to a type of spiritual headmate who walk in to a system.)

So yeah, if you're routinely posting in inclusive spaces, people will probably assume you're inclusive and safe to interact with.

Now, I find it pretty ridiculous that someone in the alterhuman community is using a lack of scientific basis to argue someone's identity is invalid.

But I also need to say that this factually incorrect!

Practically every source, including dissociative experts, have confirmed that endogenic and non-disordered plurality exists or at least may be possible. Anti-endos have yet to produce even a single doctor who has said otherwise.

And more recently, there was an AMA with psychiatrists researching tulpas in an fMRI study for Stanford University. One of their big findings was changes in the brains of tulpa systems during possession of limbs.

This is actual, neurological data.

Beyond that, here's a big document of other research and studies related to endogenic systems.

I could go all day with pro-endo sources. But here's the bigger thing you need to understand.

Bigotry like this has no place in the alterhuman community. Because if you decide that someone's identity isn't valid because they don't have "scientific backing," others will see that as permission to say the same about you.

The system medicalist ideology of requiring scientific validation is harmful to all alterhumans, not just endogenic systems.

[fact-anonymous]

To Fact-folks with Voluntary Fact-Identities

whether you chose the fact identity, or created a headmate with a fact identity, or are the created fact-folk, or any other voluntary way

whatever label you prefer: alterhuman, pluran, tulpa, thoughtform, factlink, copinglink, or something else

no matter if you use one label or more

no matter if you use the label/s consistently or change it often

no matter if your identity is static or fluid

no matter what your shifts look like; why and when they happen

whether it's from an neurotype (including delusion), interest, hyperfixation, spirituality, religion, education, trauma, coping, alterhumanity, or any other reason

whether you're sure if it's fully voluntary/chosen or not

We think it's fantastic that you want to get to know yourself deeper, and use your time in the world to create yourself. To be this identity, to say "no, screw society, I choose who I want to be", or "This encourages me to do self-introspection", or "this gives me euphoria and peace of mind", even simply, "I want this".

You don't deserve to be treated as the "weak link" of the parts of the alterhuman community (or even non-alterhumans) who only respect those who can't choose their identities. Your identity isn't lesser than others' if you choose it, even if you can choose to not have it anymore.

Voluntary/chosen identities are not inherently "frivolous" or "childish". You are allowed to have fun with it, or take it very seriously, or both, or anything in between. And none of it will invalidate your identity.

If you or the body are neurodivergent, Mad, mentally ill, or have any other disability or difference from the norm; even if your identity is based on/caused by those things, it does not invalidate your identity either! Yes, including psychosis or delusion-based identities. It does not make you fake or lesser. It does not make you worthy of disrespect.

Your experiences are real and important, and your voices deserve to be heard.

If you want to seek euphoria for your fact identity - be it via changing appearance, changing your online or offline spaces, gear, watching/reading/listening to media, etc. - it's valid and you can be proud of yourselves for being yourselves in a world that doesn't accept you. Even if that euphoria is sought by means that make others uncomfortable. You are people with unique life experiences. People who deserve respect and kindness.

Fact-folks who choose their identities, remember that we support you all very much!

(We accept submissions, asks, mentions, or DMs about your voluntary fact-identity experiences here in Fact-Anonymous if you'd like to share them!)

~ Mod Silhouette

[starscatteredsky]

Can I get a tips and tricks post for jackalope or rabbitkin? I've been feeling very invalid lately

tips for a jackalope or rabbit!

pt: tips for a jackalope or rabbit!

make/commision a therian mask!

make/buy some other gear!

practice some hopping and walking quadrobics!

wear clothes the colour of your fur!

snack on some lettuce or other “rabbit food”!

make a little blanket and pillow den!

collect antlers or horns!

wear soft or fuzzy clothes

make some rabbit or jackalope friends

learn to voice act or mimic, jackalopes are known for mimicking human voices!

have a good day/night! -🩸

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[polyfrag-kero]

why are you so heavily against endogenic systems? /genq (using endogenic as a catch-all for any non-traumagenic system, DID as a catch-all for DID/OSDD/PDID/etc) endogenic systems don't (or almost never) try to claim they have DID, alters/being a system is one of the symptoms of DID. there's many many articles on how plurality can form without DID, and that yes, trauma is needed for DID to form. but endos don't have that.

just generally wondering what your reasoning is + why you seem so hostile about it ("endos fuck off" seeming highly hostile) (not trying to come off as rude, attacking, etc etc, just genuinely trying to understand.)

(TW for grooming, manipulation)

first off, thanks for genuinely asking and not attacking. and honestly, we mainly don't like endos since we were groomed by so many when we were just starting to begin discovering our system again. we were told our trauma "wasn't enough" to be DID (even though we had been diagnosed with it), and that we had to be a tulpa system instead. as a result, we denied all our trauma, even the stuff we were actively going through, and it did so much damage to us. many of the endos around us were also very anti-recovery; they didn't believe the trauma was bad enough, so they encouraged spiritual shit instead of therapy and healing. multiple endos even tried to purposefully make us split a sexual alter so they could sleep with us one day

when we did finally realize that, yes, the trauma was bad enough, and that, yes, the DID diagnosis was correct, and that endos were just harming our mental health, we were basically shunned from the system spaces we were in. i personally don't remember much from this time, but i remember that once we started saying we didn't want to interact with endos for our own mental health, we were sent threats and called ableist and slurs and other shit. we weren't even considered "anti endo" at the time, we were just trying to separate ourselves from these people that were causing us harm

this isnt the only horrible experience we had with endos, but some of the other stuff gets a bit personal. but basically, endos did more harm than good to us, and we don't want to associate with them as a result

we're not the only system that's had horrible experiences with endos. they're notorious for sending threats to anti endos, calling them horrible names, etc. we don't support harassment. endos have also told trauma victims that their trauma "wasn't enough" to be DID, and they had to be endo, completely invalidating what that person has gone through and possibly putting them in danger of being re-traumatized/abused again. personally, we didn't even realize we were actively being abused since endos downplayed everything we talked about

so yeah, it's mainly personal to us, but we have a lot of reasons for not supporting endos. we don't interact with their stuff (never on purpose), so we don't want them interacting with our stuff. that's it

- 🐀

[clover-cdd-confessions]

Here's a link, by the way. The document is current, the post itself isn't.

https://www.tumblr.com/guardianssystem/732772365744979968/tumblr-post-of-our-endogenic-and-non-traumagenic?source=share

Actually look at the links instead of complaining about it being a Tumblr post. There was even a study done by professionals on reddit regarding tulpas.

Real professionals, by the way. And Dr. Jamie Marich supports other causes of plurality besides trauma. You can make a space for CDDs without invalidating other types of plurality. Again, plural includes ALL systems not just traumagenic ones so if you say endos dni, please stop using plural tags.

I've read the document multiple times. I don't remember the specifics, but I know that each time I read it, I remember why I wasn't convinced by it.

Send me the specific notes/studies that prove systems can form from things other than trauma, but I'm not willing to expend the emotional energy to reread this entire thing seeing as I already have, and I have too much brainfog to spend my spoons on reading the entire document again. For the last time, don't just send a study ABOUT them, send me one that actually proves they're real. It's easier for me to look at things when you have something more specific that you're referring to.

Only engaging with the study part of this. Do not debate me on systems using plural terms. The only systems are traumagenic ones, sooo...your issue with me using "plural" is moot.

[skullytrickybonez]

Everyone i am very sorry and apologize about the mistake that i make on Bluesky and being an ableist and i know what i did is wrong because

Endogenic plurality is a term used to describe non-traumagenic plurality, which refers to the state of having more than one identity within a single body in a way that is not caused by traumatic experiences. This contrasts with traumagenic plurality, such as that seen in dissociative identity disorder (DID), which is typically linked to trauma. The term "endogenic" comes from the prefix "endo-" meaning "internal/within," combined with the suffix "-genic" meaning "produced or caused by." The label was coined by The Lunastus Collective as an alternative to using the word "multiplicity" to describe such experiences. Initially, it was defined as multiplicity with no known cause but not since birth; however, the definition has since expanded to serve as an umbrella term within the community.

"Endogenic" in the context of plurality refers to a system in which mean's the members did not form as a result of trauma or where the formation is not primarily trauma-based. When used in its plural form, "Endogenic" encompasses a range of experiences within plural systems. Here are key points related to the term "Endogenic (plural)":

Non-Traumagenic Origins: Endogenic systems are characterized by the presence of multiple identities or selves that are not the result of traumatic experiences. This distinguishes them from traumagenic systems, where the plurality is directly linked to trauma. The term "Endogenic" is used to describe plural systems that formed without the presence of trauma as a primary factor. This means that the plurality within the system did not arise as a response to traumatic experiences.

Lack of Scientific Backing: Currently, endogenic systems lack scientific validation. The predominant explanation for complex dissociative disorders is the Structural Dissociation Theory, which focuses on trauma as the root cause. Because endogenic systems are not based on trauma, they remain outside the scope of this theory and have not been extensively studied or supported by scientific research. However, there has been studies on non-disordered plurality in general[1].

Types of Endogenic Systems: Several specific types of systems may identify as endogenic, including:

Natural Systems: Systems that naturally occur without a known external cause.

Tulpa Systems: Systems involving tulpas, which are sentient beings created through mental focus and meditation.

Soulbond Systems: Systems that include soulbonds, or deep connections to fictional characters or entities.

Gateway Systems: Systems that act as a gateway to other realities or realms, allowing different identities to come through.

Debate and Controversy: The existence and validity of endogenic systems are highly debated within the community of complex dissociative disorders (CDD). Some argue that the idea of systems appearing without trauma undermines the legitimacy of traumagenic systems and can lead to the invalidation or "fake-claiming" of those who have experienced trauma. Others believe that endogenic systems may simply have trauma that is not remembered, or that they may be experiencing other psychological phenomena such as delusional or dissociative disorders. And i promise that I'll never ever do that again and i will not make mistakes ever again and i will own up to my mistakes and moving on. And to all Endo's please do not interact with my account's ever.