#wilbur soot discourse

[arsonbur-riley]

Attention.

Its obvious that people on both sides of this Wilbur/Shelby situation have been doing things that cross the line. The amount of death threats towards not only the creators but also fans is downright disgusting.

Don't you realise how parasocial it is?!

And for the people wanting to do something about the upcoming Australian tour, if you hate Wilbur with every fibre of your being then don't go to the concerts just to yell and protest.

Guess what? That'll only get you kicked out of the venues, AND you'll be giving your money to the very people you don't support.

Let the people who still support Lovejoy and Wilbur be, you aren't judge jury and executioner in this situation. Frankly, we shouldn't even be involved in this; let Shelby and Will deal with this themselves.

Will said he won't be saying anything more about this right now, not that he'll never talk about it again. Give him the chance to collect his thoughts and be aware that there will definitely be legalities involved that might make him not able to say anything.

(This is not me taking sides, this is me addressing the fact that people seem to think he won't say anything more)

[m-bbert]

just got back from watching beetlejuice beetlejuice and he is so real for sending an asshole that looks exactly like Wilbur soot directly to hell

[euphoric-ghoul]

This has to be homophobic. Wilbur soot coming back during PRIDE MONTB im actually so pissrd off im seething rn what right does he think he has to COME BACK after everything ??? Hey man we KNOW you're an abuser and a borderline SEX OFFENDER 😇😇 and I'm pretty sure wilbur supporters are just him on alt accounts because if you had an OUNCE of media literacy IM TWEAKING OUT I HAVE TO END IT ALL AUSTRALIA STAY SAFE .... I mean at the very least he won't be in my country anymore so 😞😞 SO SORRY AUSTRALIA...

[alt0stratuscloud]

Alright after crying about it for like five hours over the course of the last few days I've come to the realization I don't. Actually know jack shit about what happened with the Shubble stuff? Almost all of the information I have is either too little information to do anything with or has a conflicting counterpart and I'd like to learn more to better understand what's going on.

I know she did a stream that no longer exists. I've heard both that she specifically said not to theorize and that she specifically included a lot of details so that people could theorize because she wanted the person taken down. I heard that there's a lot of signs that point to Wilbur Soot. I also heard that there's good odds it's not him. I've heard that he has friends denouncing him but no one's said what friends or how many or anything. I know apparently whoever it was bit shubble hard enough it bruised? But nothing about if it was a one off thing, or common, or any other sort of context for it and nothing else about what was abusive. One post mentioned him prioritizing his fame over her? but nothing about what that entailed.

Obviously it was a traumatizing situation for shubble, for her to talk about it this way and I Don't intend to devalue that. Just because I don't know much doesn't mean it didn't happen and just because what I do know sounds small doesn't mean it wasn't majorly scarring. I adknowledge I'm probably coming off as a complete dick for this post. I just. Want to actually know a single thing about what's going on here because right now I have So little information. Just the words "he abused her!" without any context. I'm aware that's not context I'm entitled to, but- if anyone has an archive of the vod? That I could watch? So I can get the information that Shubble herself has intentionally shared and understand a bit of what's going on? That would be splendid.

thank you for reading.

[fleshmortficationishrt]

I don't particually care for wilbur soot and never really interacted with his content (*nor do I care for talking about drama on tumblr I do not plan to make this a habit)

but its so funny whenever i stumble across the group of very painfully 12-14 year olds online who defend him with their life and say "tHe rEaSoN hE lOoKs sO dEprESseD iS bEcaAuse oF hIm AcTuaLLy bEiNg sEcrEtlY aBusEd By SHeLby" or "shelby is an abusive whore whos been ruining his life for fame" with the main evidence being that wilbur soot looks sickly and stressed and that shelby is some sort of horrible demon that drains the life out of perfectly nice men.

dude he's doing drugs, I don't doubt he's stressed or anything but like look at him and look at people who are known for heavy use of drugs. he is doing so many drugs

[wibblewubble]

Holy fuck I have never clicked instagram so fast.

I just watched Wilbur's new story, and he did *not* say in response to the stuff that came out months ago that it's all he wants to say about it like I've seen others rage about, he said that's all he wants to say FOR NOW.

In no way am I defending him but I am taking into account the fact that he has probably considered that no matter what he was going to say when he came back to the internet, there would be instant backlash. There has been zero chance for Wilbur to even begin to properly apologise for what has happened, probably because the man has been fucking fearing for his life.

What the fuck else can you do in this situation aside from lay low?

And for one thing, I am happy in some way that Lovejoy will be making some form of comeback, especially because Joe, Mark and Ash don't deserve their music career to be cut off just like that.

If you wanna go after me for saying this shit that's fucking finnneee, but I have been fucking terrified of wearing their hoodie in public because of stories I heard of people being abused on the streets, not to mention I almost lost a good friend of mine because of this whole fucking situation.

People took this way too far with their death threats to both the fans and people involved in the situation, I mean the fucking Lovejoy discord server was LOCKED. Lines were crossed, and innocent people got caught in the crossfire.

I want to be able to listen to the music that helped me so much when I was in the worst dip in my mental health I have ever been in, so this response from Wilbur has me nervous but excited for the tour in Australia.

If you don't like this response, don't interact.

[ktisis-collective]

The pain i feel in my chest when i go through old playlists from pre-2024 and see a screen full of wilbur soot and lovejoy songs is something that i struggle to comprehend to explain to people because it’s such a strange feeling-

like i hate you.

I Hate You wilbur

he’s barely even a person to me anymore, i wish on his downfall daily. I hate him with my whole chest.

But at the same time i consumed him into my identity. I used to dress like him on purpose. I used to quote him daily, constantly listen to his songs, watch his streams on bad days for comfort.

There was a point after everything came out where i couldn’t look myself in the mirror and changed my whole fashion sense because if i didn’t i would be the copy of wilbur i turned myself into.

and i hated him.

he went against everything i stood for. He went against my ideals of never hurting someone with the intention of causing lasting harm. He perfectly mimicked the definition of an awful celebrity in my head. He hurt his girlfriend, he hurt tommy, he hurt Techno while he was still weak from cancer.

Wilbur single handedly did so much wrong, and i realized it so much in that moment, that thinking about him made me physically puke.

and yet he was a vital part of my identity, maybe not as much then as it was when i was at my height of being a fan, but he was still there.

He was a guest in my soul that was no longer welcome that refused to leave.

And the worst part is that now when i look back on all of the good memories i had being a fan of him, i can only feel distain for myself.

It’s not my fault, but in seeing someone i looked up to transform into a monster before my own eyes it felt like seeing a mentor, or even my future self, doing something that i would never do and should have never done.

but maybe that’s just me. idk im autism so maybe i’m just acting stupid

[a-moth-called-mof]

Actually, before I log off for the day, I will say, please don't go labelling Wilbur a narcissist or trying to armchair diagnose him with any cluster B disorders. Having NPD doesn't make someone abusive. Being abusive is what makes someone abusive. By armchair diagnosing an abuser with NPD, it's not only just further stigmatising an already very stigmatised and often misunderstood disorder but also, by framing a mental disorder as "abuser disorder", it almost unintentionally shifts blame away from them as a person and their actions and more towards the mental illness that they may or may not have. This isn't to excuse anything Wilbur's done. Just please keep in mind, people with NPD aren't inherently abusive. Wilbur isn't an abuser because he's a "narcissist", he's an abuser because he's abused people

[arsonbur-riley]

Um, is it just me or has Will deleted a few videos on his music channel?

The nightcore version of Mammalian Sighing Reflex isn't there, and also Your City Gave Me Asthma (but I think YCGMA wasn't on there to begin with, idk-)

Also his new bio reads, "Gasping,"

He's changing things for sure, especially with the fact he's changed the picture and channel name as well. I hope he's doing okay...

What do y'all think?

[charikity]

he even woke up billzo from his hibernation

GET HIS ASS

[euphoric-ghoul]

He looks like one of those creepy substitutes that doesn't actually do anything but any girl you asks gets the vibe he's a creep

[bouquetofalliums]

wilbur soot's statement is the furthest it can be from an apology. its vague, baseless, lacks Any sort of accountability, and feels like some shit chatgpt made up. two pages, four paragraphs and... Not a single Im Sorry. and to think i expected any better of him and i REALLY DID. his response to his other mild controversies were genuine and decent at best. this just lacks Everything. i read the first two sentences and my eyes rolled to the back of my fuckin head

disregarding that the way he downplays his own abuse astounds me. because WE KNOW EVERYTHING. we've heard from the victim and there were Witnesses. you say you were snobbish, disrespectful and selfish, but aside from the biting thing; do you ever address that time you pinned her down to claim you were stronger than her although knowing shelby has gone through past sexual assault? how you weaponized her safe word? how you locked her up in your house for days? how you never cleaned up over yourself and made her do all the work? how you gaslit her and her friends and Humiliated her in front of them ????? no amount of therapy or change you've claimed to have gone through can excuse any of your vile behaviours ESPECIALLY when it comes WITHOUT an apology. you cry about how you've changed to us but you don't care at all! because it was all about fame and money to you, right? us and our words mean so little to you, right?

you could've taken more time to polish this and to come from a place of genuinity and none of us would have complained. rather you put out some flat disingenuous slop and expected us to eat it up. No! youve lost your devoted fanbase wilbur. if you didn't want your shitty actions to come out you shouldn't have been a shitty person in the first place.

whatever . i have more to say but i dont want to waste my words on him. im so so fucking disappointed in that man and i hope to never see his face on the internet ever again . to think i spent the last 3 years and more just blindly supporting and loving his music and content without thinking anything else of it .... i feel so sick . I feel so so sick

sending all the love and support to shelby, lexie, rhana, sophie, and to anyone and all who have been deeply hurt by his actions in any way whatsoever

[bludgeon-alt]

hey, so, i've been a wilbur fan for ages, and i want to see the evidence against him. this isn't sarcasm or anything, i just genuinely want all the evidence so i can make a decision

Sure! I got you covered, anon. No shame in deliberating on the evidence yourself. I'll link you a few posts.

This is a good master post, but I will provide a few additional sources:

Shelby's Stream

A Follow-Up Tweet by Shelby

Additional Corroberating Statements From Former Lovejoy Trumpeter, Zoe

Statements From Admin of Wilbur's (unofficial) Discord

Statement From Julie Verlintox (Wilbur head mod/admin)

Clip of Shelby Talking More About Her Story on Lexie's Stream

Addition Piece of Potential Evidence Submitted by an Anon: Wayback Machine Archive of a Reddit Post Likely Made by Shubble in November; Mirrors Her Stream Statements

Additionally, both Smajor and Ranboo have unfollowed Wilbur. Make of all that what you will!

EDIT (3/27/24): Wilbur responded.

Shelby's Response to Wilbur's Response

Aimsey's Response to Wilbur's Response

Ranboo's Response to Wilbur's Response

Lexie's Response to Wilbur's Response

Punz's Response to Wilbur's Response

Tubbo's Response to Wilbur's Response

And many, many more.

[wibblewubble]

Going Away

Tw Wilbur/Shubble situation, dark themes mentioned

I can't fucking do this anymore. I swear to god I thought people were better than this, but after seeing the Lovejoy discord server with 12000 people online at once be locked due to actual death threats, seeing people targeting those that give Wilbur even an ounce of interest in his music or creative projects and having to cope with the fact one of my best friends may never text me back because they might not be around much longer is making me honestly scared for my life.

I'm not deleting anything on my blogs, this one and my roleplay blogs, because I'm allowed to leave what I fucking enjoyed back when we thought Wilbur was a good person and not like this. I will still listen to his music and Lovejoy's because it gives me comfort and I want to keep my comfort things. I have adored this man and his content for almost four years, but this fandom has terrified me beyond anything I've ever seen before because of how violently they switched last night.

So fuck ANYONE who is sending death threats and harassing/doxxing fans online. You honestly deserve to rot.

To my Tumblr friends, I wish you the best. I might pop in occasionally but other than that goodbye.

-Wibble

[yasminthespiritfaninnit]

I will say one more thing before moving the fuck on and waiting for more. Cause I have a feeling there will be more eventually.

I am completely believing and supporting Shubble. Shubble’s the victim and she did not name her abuser for a reason. We should not jeopardize her plans.

Now, on a unrelated note, I will still be supporting Wilbur as well until if he’s found to be 100% clearly the guy who Shubble is talking about.

I believe in innocent until proven guilty and similarities and coincidences (like Wilbur also being a biter and someone with a messy place (and an ant infestation), and Zoe leaving Lovejoy for some reason) don’t equal evidence.

It’s hearsay and conjecture and I want to see more shit then that to believe that Wilbur’s the abuser.

So, I believe Shubble and that she needs all the support she can get. And I believe that Wilbur is innocent. Until there’s a legitimate update, I will be moving on from this.

Speculating on who the abuser is will only put Shubble in more danger. There’s no good result coming from jumping conclusions right now.

Hug Shubble and keep Wilbur out of this until there’s a legitimate connection. And even if there is a connection, focus on helping Shubble. We aren’t the law, y’all!

[genlossranboothrowaway]

Some of y'all are putting WAY too much work in. I literally don't care who it is. I want shubble to be able to heal and move on. I don't give a fuck who it was, shubble made the choice to not reveal who it was and y'all are doing the most to disrespect that. Couldn't be less supportive if you tried