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I told one of our syskids about paleotherians.. and there's something you need to know before I continue. He is 6 years old, he holds a lot of our autistic symptoms including struggling to communicate and connect with people, somewhat because of his intense hyperfixation on his special interest.
Dinosaurs (and all prehistoric creatures) are his special interest. He gets sad that he can't pet a dinosaur. He has a dozen dinosaur plushies. He has a collection of plastic dinosaurs that he wants to give names but is scared he'll get their names wrong so they're all "dinosaur". He draws dinosaurs all the time and everything he buys is dinosaur themed. He can't leave the house without his favorite dinosaur hoodie. His dream is to own at least one fossil, because dinosaurs went extinct and he can't have one as a pet. He named himself "Dino" because he likes them so much.
So, I said to him, "You know the therians online? Some of them are dinosaur therians." Make no mistake, though. This boy heard very clearly "You can meet real dinosaurs, they live in Tumblr". He's thrilled, can't get over it. Real life modern day dinosaurs. It's his dream come true. He hasn't stopped humming and stimming since he's learned.
So please know a 6 year old mostly nonverbal boy out there who's life got exponentially better knowing you exist, wants to tell you that he loves you and that you're his favorite thing.
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we didn't make this one but back at it again with Red Robin's Patrol Playlist and being reminded how high energy it is, may have drawn out more than one of the Tim fictives, being reminded of the passing thought we may be Tim Drake fictionkin, and vibing happily
going on main but being reblogged to alts because I do what I want
#rb from main#tim drake#red robin#timothy drake#tim drake wayne#timothy drake wayne#playlist#song recs#not my playlist just one I enjoy#I do have one inspired by this though and bigger#and then another that got some energy from that#but isn't actually related they're all just high energy#alterhuman#nonhuman#fictionkin#fictive#system#plural#plural system#happy vibes#musical equivalent of stimming#probably autistic#possibly adhd
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We [attempted] to make cryptoendogenic a page on pluralpedia [which half failed] but ykw it's on there so shrug. /silly
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#funnier as a system#but also kinda#awkward as a system#on if this is actually good representation or not
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really sorry to:
the people who followed for system stuff, to get blasted by tadc content
the people who are following for tadc content, who i can later blast with sys drama
the people who followed for alterhuman stuff, who are starving
no we will not be making sideblogs!!
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Omg Hi, I was wondering if you’d be willing to do a bowing down emote (like the head down hands over chest) your art is so amazing <3
some bowing down emojis , tried my best !!!!
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Sysparent culture is adopting the new members of the system because they need stability and support
Common systemhood W
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I have a sincere and genuine question (one which you are free to ignore)
But I wanted to ask about why you’re pro endogenic/willogenic/nontraumagenic etc.?
I dont ask to stir controversy, but rather because i think I want to understand more about it all and am reaching out to see others experiences in why they believe/see the world how they do
In my early exposure to/learning about systemhood I was taught a lot by those who don’t really like/believe the nontraumagenic claims. As I see more and more of the community and its variations- I find myself more unsure about what is or isn’t true. I ask here instead of consulting the internet because finding clear research on the topic has been increasingly difficult for me and I find I’m not sure exactly where or how to look
Obviously you are probably not the information god of this subject, but i guess I’m looking mostly for your outlook/view on things to just really hear from others in the community on a subject I’m struggling with
hey anon. the biggest reason i’m pro-endo is because i’m part of a mixed origins system. but, i see that that probably isn’t a satisfactory answer to most people wanting to learn more hahaha
the second biggest reason is, well, i am not anyone else nor am i in their brain, so i cannot tell if someone is telling the truth about their experiences or not. therefore, i have to take what people say at face value. if they say they’re a system, i have no right to tell them no, they’re not. that right only belongs to them, and to some extent their psychiatrist/psychologist/therapist.
another reason: the absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. just because there is little research into endogenic systems doesnt mean they’re not real. there’s not much undeniable evidence of aliens yet people still believe that they exist. why? because like the human brain, the universe is infinitely complex and we just don’t have the time, money or equipment to study every single aspect of it, especially if those aspects don’t pose an immediate threat on us as humans. endogenic systems themselves aren’t being hurt by their plurality, unlike with did/osdd systems who face severe symptoms with their disorder. in a medical perspective, there’s not much point researching something that isn’t harmful. did and osdd need research so that the systems with those disorders can actually function. endogenic systems with disorders, if they have them, usually have disorders that are already being researched all the time, such as autism, adhd, ocd, bpd, (c)ptsd, etc. so there are already people trained in dealing with those disorders that can help endogenic systems with them, as they would help anyone with them.
however, in saying all that, there actually IS research on endogenic systems, just not as much perhaps as disordered systems. i’ve found some research papers that i like and think are unbiased and fair, so i’m going to make a google doc with links to them, or to where you can download them, and that will be at the bottom of this post. i do think these papers do a lot of help for the endogenic community, especially against sysmedicalists and anti-endos who rely solely on medical evidence and research in order to believe in something (which i absolutely disagree with, i believe we should take what people say about their identity and just believe it without needing ten medical papers to back it up).
i hope this brings a little clarity to my stance on endogenic plurality, and obviously this is just my stance. there are many other systems out there who have different and perhaps better reasons for believing in endogenic plurality. if you’re on reddit at all, i highly highly encourage you to go to r/plural and have a look around there. the people there are so lovely and many of them would love to give you even more resources.
anyway, i hope you have a great day anon, and i hope you find the answers you want about endogenic plurality!
here is the document
and another link to a spreadsheet of more resources
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btw if you’re anti endo, do not interact with my blog.
you’re fine to use my moodboards if you like them but do not like or reblog my posts, follow me or send me requests.
i whole heartedly support endogenic systems and won’t tolerate those who do not interacting with my blog.
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Soft reminder to introjects that you don’t have to act exactly like source to be valid and you also don’t have to be source divergent!! Who cares dude?? It’s your own personality and your life!! You can act however you want to!! Who’s to tell you otherwise? Who is somebody else to dictate how you enjoy your plurality? Be who you want forever and ever and don’t let anybody change that (((o(*゚▽゚*)o)))♡
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WE DID NOT JUST ACCIDENTLY OUT OURSELVES BY USING PLURAL PRONOUNS AND THEN EDIT IT BACK TO SINGULAR BEFORE ANYONE NOTICED (HOPEFULLY) NAHHHHH NEVER TRUST- ToT
its fine either way it was in a smol gc with good friends, we're already out to one as being plural and we're open to all of them abt being nonhuman
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🍏 - what’s one experience u look back on from before u knew u were a system and go “oh my god, it’s so obvious i was plural!”
Also 🍃
From a singlet doing research for a character
the fact that we NEVER had a stable identity or personality...
2019: [deadname], cis girl (she/her), queer alley, and alpaca + llama hyperfixation
2020: "Bee", non-binary (they/them), pansexual, and for some reason a pineapple hyperfixation
2021: "Ash" / "Kai" / [deadname], genderfluid, sexuality questioning, and developed a dragon + dinosaur special interest
2022: "Sammy" / "Greyson", boyflux (he/they/it), bisexual, demisexual, ambiamorous, and major interest in dinosaurs specifically. questioned DID for like a week before fakeclaiming ourselves
2023: "Greyson" (irls only called me Grey), demiboy (he/they), gay, asexual, and mild hyperfixation on wolves. started to heavily question DID again during late 2023
2024: "Ethan", transmasc, gay / sexuality questioning, polyamorous, reluctantly accepts plurality, and major interest in dinosaurs, cats, and mental disorders
2025: "Ethan" / "Cat" / "Sanity" / "Insanity" (collectively), fully aware of plurality, transmasc, omnigay, demiaroace, polyamorous, and a mix of all interests from 2021 to current date.
also the mood swings, anger issues, personality shifts, the fact that the names we used only "felt like me" sometimes, memory issues, etc. some of it is also BPD cause we developed that around 14 I thinks? (symptoms started around 2021-2022???)
bad memory so the timeline might be a little jumbled lol
for the second question. Tommy would probably survive the longest out of all of us. he functions as a survivalist when needed so he'd probably be the one to survive if we were stranded on an island.
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friendly reminder that the term plural is inherently pro-endogenic and that you look really stupid if you use it whilst being anti-endogenic
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is it just a thing for joker junior introjects to use the 🎉 emoji because that threw me for a sec because I use it too
— JJ 🎉 (not to be confused with OP but this is by chance)

The failure our boyfriend witnessed today
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Sometimes people just need to be hit over the head with a metal folding chair a few times.
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the plural thing that's like the trying to categorize "kid" alters
like examples of alters:
is a syskid but can function as an adult
is a syskid but cannot function as an adult
is an adult alter who age regresses who isn't a syskid
is an adult alter who feels like a kid who doesn't age regress who still feels like a kid
what is up with this
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