awest66

[awest66]

I completely disagree with the claim that jaune got too much screentime or him becoming an old man took screentime away from ruby ( his arc and issues and rubys played off each other which led to ruby running away) jaunes screentime was always deserved he was a main character team rwby being girls doesnt mean that jaune isnt allowed to get focus or screentime it doesnt mean he should be relegated to minimal screentime and be in background

Then the show and fandom should stop saying that the show is about girls when Jaune gets put above them and gets more screentime or lines than some of Team RWBY sometimes and the show should get called 'Jaune Arc.' And even then, Jaune doesn't deserve that screentime because he's not that good of a character, he is a very basic and overly done Nice Guy's fantasy of a protagonist and ever since season three, whatever progression he's had done was built off of the back's of fridging female characters. Like are you just really offended because I want a show branded as girl power to not heavily center a man? Every time Jaune does get the screen time, I'm forced to hear Miles Luna's voice crying about how sad he is about the death or possible death of a woman character.

Like sorry to be blunt, but what was even your point in sending me this message? To convince me to like Jaune and be happy when I see him on screen? I'm sorry I don't like your Wal-Mart version of Hiccup from How To Train Your Dragon, and I'm sorry I really didn't like his Michael Scarn downgrade of being an old broody man that the nineteen year old lusts after, but like... This is far from my problem, my guy.

[awest66]

Thinking about RWBY again lately and I think that the fatal flaw of the writing is actually one of the most common things that I see in media, which is that it feels like the writers stopped asking themselves character driven questions.

Yes, it's important for writers to think of what story they want to tell and what they want to happen, especially when they're trying to follow a clear plan. And it’s even important to ask questions like 'what would the audience like' and 'what is the audience expecting,' though being careful not to let fandom control your writing is also very important since that contributes to heartless works and writer resentment directed to characters and story beats. But if you never ask character driven questions, your characters wind up feeling flatter and more lifeless, less connected to each other and to the story, boring, and frustrating for the audience to watch.

RWBY in the later seasons more and more feels like a perfect example of how not asking character driven questions can impact a piece of media. When everyone sees Oz's past, it feels like the writers thought "we want everyone to get angry at Oz" instead of asking themselves "how would they all feel after watching that? Do any of them connect with Oz's past? What is each characters opinion on secret sharing?" When the steal a plane plan happened at the end of V6, it's like the writers thought "we want everyone to be on board with this so Qrow gets put in his place" instead of "which kids have questioned authority so far? How are they all feeling right now? How would each characters' morals so far play into this plot?" Blake letting Adam go in V5, Nora thanking the SDC for their dust, Sun hiding under a cloak around corners in V4, the awkward dialog of Oz's inner circle in V3, the loving and happy relationship Ruby and Yang have with Tai despite him supposedly abandoning them for years, the lack of effort put into Ren and Nora grieving Pyrrha, Neo willingly following and listening to Cinder, Yang pulling Blake out of the room about to fill with Apathy seemingly with no care towards Ruby or Qrow... And then it just builds from there in V7 and V8, with characters that have had next to no connections having heart to heart's, Qrow just believing with no real question that James is an evil monster despite their V3 interactions indicating they're close friends and Qrow did trust him, Ruby in V8 deciding to launch the communications tower and then sit and do nothing despite her professed declarations of fighting Salem in V7, Nora being on Ruby's team in V8 despite her season 7 goal being to help and protect the people of Mantle, everyone easily accepting Winter despite her having been one hundred percent on Ironwood's side for a lot of his evil villain so called 'arc,' Ironwood's own speed of light launch into an evil cartoon villain instead of being a consistent ends-justify-the-means antagonist, Penny's flesh form talking about understanding hugs now, Yang and Blake both acting like they'd gotten in a big fight despite the fact that they WEREN'T in a big fight, Hazel getting to 'teach Oz lessons' as he died despite the fact that the writers never once wrote him to have a point, Salem starting her Grimm attack in the farmlands instead if in the city, Klein randomly knowing how to perform medical care, Emerald switching sides with what appears to be very little dilemma despite still being Cinder's most loyal and desperate for love follower and Cinder clearly seeing it and not caring, Cinder needing to 'learn to work with others from Ruby' as if she didn’t spend six seasons of the show fairly successfully working with others. I really could keep going!

And then it just builds even more from there with V9, where it actually DOES seem that the writers were paying attention to Ruby's character enough to give her some semblance of a grief arc where she'll call out the unfairness of her team. But still there are a million times that it seems character driven questions could've made V9 much better and instead the 'what the writers/audience might want' writing made the season almost entirely unwatchable.

One time, years and years ago, I saw someone say that they didn't think it was possible for characters to be out of character since because they're fictional, technically everything they do is something that character would do, since the character is only a vessel for whatever the writers want. I actually heavily disagree with this concept. The characters in a piece of media are usually incredibly important! Characters are tools that writers use, yes, but those characters need arcs and stories, they need to feel enough like people that the audience can relate to them and their experiences, so we can see the fictional world through their eyes. Even a very badly made piece of media can get away with those flaws if they have well done characters. If writers don't pay attention to their characters enough to make sure they're not acting in ways that they usually wouldn't with no explanation at all, then the whole story feels like a flat jumbled mess that doesn't matter. And that was the real problem with volume 9 of RWBY. Yes, it was weird and bad that they did some qUiRkY Alice in Wonderland nonsense world and it was weird and bad that they chose to do dumb things like turn the Curious Cat into some evil monster or wildly OP Neo's semblance or give Ruby a horribly done suicide arc or make Jaune into an old guy so he could get more unearned screentime... But all of that could've been "bad but whatever" and I could've gotten over it if the characters (sans Ruby who was passable) didn't feel like lifeless pointless husks that the writers just move to and fro in order to try to make the audience post gifs of them online. There's nothing special or important about the majority of the RWBY characters anymore because the writers almost never pay attention to them enough to give them real personality. I feel like whatever vague remnants of who they once were in the earlier seasons left is really just the byproduct of voice actors still doing their level best, but they don't really have much to work with.

That's really the main difference between RWBY V1-3 and even V4-5 and the other later volumes. The thing I think that makes the earlier seasons watchable for me and the later seasons so frustrating is that in the beginning, they'd slip up, but they knew who the characters were for the most part and they did try to keep them in character. Whatever changes happened to characters usually was after at least some attempt to grow said characters (again, for the most part.) But the longer RWBY went on, the less and less the writers have seemed interested in anything but just what they want or what they think the audience wants. "Blake's" journey no longer matters because they never seem to ask themselves how "Blake" would feel about things or what "Blake" would want or how she would act. They only care about "what do fans want." Yang, Weiss, Ren, Nora, Jaune, Winter, Qrow, Oz, Ironwood, Penny, almost every character has been neglected or changed around, and it feels like it's because the writers just do not at all care about asking themselves character driven questions. Maybe it just doesn't matter to the writers because they know it doesn't really matter to most of their fans.

[awest66]

it makes me fucking crazy when you criticize rwby's writing and a fan says "well, I understood what the writers were trying to do so that's good enough" because that's never the problem. i also understood what they were TRYING to do, the problem is that they didn't fucking do it!

[awest66]

if you could Create an oc who would be to yang what sun is to Blake ( and what type of plot would they have ( maybe have a contrast between him and sun which could set them up to be friends in the future)

I'm not really one for creating OC's sadly

[awest66]

I agree with you about velvet x yatsuhashi I just prefer sun x velvet over sun x Neptune or

I prefer Sun x Blake. so. :/

[awest66]

[awest66]

i feel like this is only possible if you watch the show with your eyes closed

[awest66]

Always

sunflakers are you still here be honest

[awest66]

Live out of spite

Make their lives a living hell

Hit back

Stay mad, stay strong

Organize, protest

Never give in

[awest66]

Okay! Bad things are happening and I'm going to try to distract myself with some Nitpick November, so let's talk about Patch.

Patch is essentially a pit stop in Ruby and Yang's stories, it's not that big of a deal that we don't see much of it. But I think it is a bit of a missed opportunity because it would make Yang and Ruby's lives feel so much fuller if we got to see some of the place they grew up, if we got to see neighbors, the places they would spend their time, the people they've known all their lives. And maybe we don't have the time post Fall of Beacon to really see Ruby exist in that, but it would've been especially good for Yang in V4. We could've seen her and Tai in the grocery store, some older woman asking after Ruby, some twelve year old neighbor popping over the fence outside Yang's house that starts talking about the Vytal Tournament, maybe well wishers dropping off casseroles for her and Tai, an old school teacher who asks if she's heading back to combat school... Idk, I just wish that they had taken the time to establish Patch as this place Yang and Ruby can feel nostalgic for so we could get more of a feel for what their life was like.

[awest66]

Thank god Im canadian

If anyone needs me, I’m gonna be hiding out in the Montana wilderness for hopefully only four years

[awest66]

Friday, November 1st, 7PM GMT / 12PM PDT / 2PM CDT / 3PM EDT

RWBY Evermorrow Episode 8

See you there!

[awest66]

White Knight is once again being insulted, and it's fucking hilarious.

White Knight is the relationship with the most groundwork in the entire series. The second being Blacksun.

This is largely because the series spends very little time on relationships.

But wait, what about Bumblebee? Ah, yes, absolutely zero buildup, followed by a Tumblrina hookup. But wait, there's more! It turns out to be horrifying abusive. Which is what happens when you hookup a chronic abandoner with a girl with an abandonment complex. And then don't have them talk about it. And then have the chronic abandoner abandon the girl with the abandonment complex the first chance she gets. If only someone could have seen it coming.

But back to White Knight.

Is it misogynistic for a man to ask a woman out?

No. For fuck's sake, fucking psychopaths.

Is Jaune a misogynist? No. He literally gives Neptune a lecture on respecting women, and then avoids asking Weiss out for the big dance out of respect for her feelings.

Okay, how about this? Was Jaune's father being a misogynist when he told Jaune "All you need is confidence?" Also no. A father teaching his son how to attract a mate is not misogyny.

But, Jaune's first attempts at flirting with Weiss as so terrible? Yes. Because he was really bad at it, because he had no self-confidence.

We then see him with self-confidence, genuinely earned self-confidence, and Weiss falls for it.

And that's natural. It's normal. It's good. Because Jaune has genuinely grown to be the man she wants.

[awest66]

Someone: *Makes a reimagined RWBY AU, especially out of dissatisfaction and disappointment*

FNDM:

[awest66]

For me, what bugs me about the tragedy of Arkos, the darkness of rwby, and Bumbleby over BlackSun is the Self-Righteous Martyr/God-Complex of toxic contingent within these fandoms, to me they seem to ultimately not care the message these stories are trying to convey, but rather enjoy them and flaunt them for their own self-righteous megalomania

With the deaths of Pyrrha, and Penny respectively.

As soon as that happened, many among the fandom would come out and theatrically proclaim the necessity of these tragic deaths, how it is so realistic an shows “thats life”, and brag how ultimately hopeful the stories still are and how it taught them how to be oh-so hopeful despite the odds.

In any these cases, these people act as if they themselves were righteous martyrs, prophets of God,Life,Reality, usually the latter two because they claim "that's life" or "that's reality" all in a tone that reeks of holier-than-thou arrogance and vanity

Same with the Wasps over Bumbleby because “BEST SAPPHIC REPRESENTATION EVAR!!!” and taunting BlackSun fans for being “heteronormative”

They’re like Claude Frollo in a sense

"Of my virtue, I am justly proud..."

Or worse, they speak with ghoulish glee and bragging about it gives them a feeling of power over these fictional characters as if they themselves are God almighty and it bleeds into how they treat real people who didn't like it by passive aggressively or belligerently belittling, judging, shaming, gaslighting, and sneering at them, implying the worse reasons of their distaste, and tell them to go watch a sitcom or slice-of-life anime or something

Then they brag about what story was told with these ideas and concepts to be the end-all-be-all of these concepts in any fantasy/sci-fi epics that have even the slightest tinge of darkness and conflict and Representation and, lock them down into little theories, formulas, dogmas, and rule out everything else as a corruption, heresy, or a worthless little parasite, because they themselves are the infallible, all-knowing, and all-seeing “literary experts” who got everything all figured out and everyone else, wether the majority or minority, as peon reprobates.

Forgive my Catholicism talking, but it reminds me of the Pharisees

“They tie up heavy, cumbersome loads and put them on other people’s shoulders, but they themselves are not willing to lift a finger to move them.”-Matthew 23:4

These self righteous people seem to only enjoy these stories not because of the message the tragedy and suffering is trying to convey, thats just a shield for them, but rather for their moral superiority and the thrill of power over others and being the measure of all things, for they know how life exactly works for specific individuals in specific genres and they know how to carry it out exactly.

Or with Bumbleby, how they are righteous champions of queer culture against eeeeevilllll heteronormative culture which reeks of resentiment

And that's why I am so irritable about Tragedy in these kinds of stories, it feels like they are no longer enjoyed out of humility, compassion, truth, goodness, and beauty.

But rather out of pride, vanity, power, cruelty, and moral superiority

While Bumbleby over BlackSun and the whole Adam fight enrages me because it feels like some sick power fantasy of LGBTQ+ Revenge against “Heterosexuality” while Sun is supposed to be kind of humble cuck

and sometimes it tempts me want to write my rwby au fanfic and original stuff inspired by it in a way that gives them all the finger rather than for what I saw these ideas and concepts could have been, just so I can give them a taste of their own medicine

I know that's wrong, but these people test my patience, especially when they keep invading other people's spaces, bypass other people's "curations" because "there's nothing subjective about this, I need to correct and educate you", and getting away with this kind of nasty behavior

you totally lost me on all the religious stuff, i don't subscribe to that by-weekly at all, fam.

on that note though, i do agree for the most part with the idea that the wasps have taken advantage of the canonization of bees to appoint themselves to some kind of sainthood, like they're holier-than-though over the rest of the fandom. and frankly, i can't stand those insufferable type of people.

they over project themselves onto terrible ships and even though people tell them how toxic and dysfunctional it is, it goes in one ear and out the other. they don't listen. they live in a detached bubble in a separate reality.

sad to say, that's not the first time that i've encountered fans like this in a fandom. some people really should be on a no fly list because they're clearly mentally unstable and a danger to others, but i don't get to make that call, unfortunately...

i want someone from crwby to come out and tell them that bees was never planned, because i think it would utterly shatter their delusional reality if they felt so betrayed by the hand that fed them. they should be soundly slapped several dozen times until they lose all coherrence.

[awest66]

Sun:Your freckles are like pretty little sunspots. *rubs her cheeks*

Ilia:Can you for once in your life not be cheesy? It’s embarrassing! *swats hands*

xxxxxxx

Sun:*watching tv* Hmm?

Ilia:*lays on top of him*…..Hey? Who came up with your name?

Sun:My father. Why do you ask?

Ilia:He’s a smart man. *snuggles* Everything about you is so bright and warm. *closes eyes* You couldn’t have a better name.

Sun:*red* And I’m the cheesy one?

Ilia:I’m sleepy. Doesn’t count.

[awest66]

RWBY Evermorrow Arc Siblings :D