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Just saw an over 65,000 liked video on TikTok about how Stan Lee’s plan from the beginning for the MCU was that Tony Stark was going to turn into Victor Von Doom….

With a comment liked by the original poster being “I’ve been screaming since AOU that Tony Stark was the real villain of the Infinity Saga!”

……………

That creator is probably right, and I seriously fucking cannot.

That’s why the MCU couldn’t fucking stop with the “Tony Stark was always the villain” narrative, even after he’s dead.

And most MCU fans are going to eat. that. shit. up.

It is going to be fucking brutal to be a fan of MCU Tony Stark these next couple of years, even more so than during the Infinity Saga (especially during Civil War).

But to mainly sum up my feelings about it:

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I hate to make everything about Tony Stark…..

But I need a prayer circle for hopes that they don’t use Iron Heart as another project to push the message “Tony Stark was evil and everything bad that happens was and still is his fault.”

Before people come at me, I absolutely do not think nor hope Iron Heart is about living up to the Iron Man legacy. It shouldn’t be and would make zero sense if it was.

I do not think that Riri and the show talking about the privileges Tony had (white, born into money male) that Riri never had (black, poor female) is Tony bashing. I do not think Riri saying in the show she wants to make her own legacy and be her own hero is Tony bashing.

My immense concern, is that the MCU has a tendency to just have Tony as the reason for anything bad happening, even though he’s dead. And Iron Heart still has this connection to Iron Man in some capacity, even though Tony is already dead when Riris story begins in the MCU.

My fear is that the general connection is enough to go on another “Tony was the villain of the MCU” spree. Whether it be the villain in Iron Heart became a villain because of Tony, or if Tony is mentioned, he’s just mentioned as a piece of shit pretending to be hero and that Riri can be a real hero.

Again, this show should absolutely not (and will not) be some Tony-worshipping spree. But I hope if and/or when he’s mentioned, they don’t need to go the MCU’s typical route.

Riri wanting to be her own hero not connected to anyone else (mainly Iron Man)? Awesome! I’m sure the show will have that message, as they should

Riri possibly talking about having struggles to be a hero Tony Stark never had? That absolutely should be talked about in the show; it’s an important conversation to have.

But I just need to know I’m not the only one who wants a prayer circle if they take the conversations that I hope they have, they don’t use them to go full-speed on what a “monster” Tony Stark was.

Best case scenario, he’s mentioned at most once and it’s quick; for all of our sakes.

I’m already having enough concerns with Doomsday/Secret Wars with RDJ as a Doom/Tony variant and the Russo brothers at the helm.

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mcu!tony, looking outside: y'all there are huge ass almost black clouds. it's gonna rain. bring your umbrellas.

all the mcu avengers: yeah sure

all the mcu avengers: *walk right into the rain*

all the mcu avangers, looking back at tony whose umbrella has started breaking because of the storm: tony can u give us an umbrella?? it's raining, in case you didn't notice

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So I wanted to point out the usual nonsenses coming from Tony Stark antis and luckily enough, one of them made a post quoting pretty much most of their popular "arguments" (if I can refer to them as such), so let's take a look at this user’s main points and see how solid they are.

"Let's talk about the horrible shit Tony has done in the MCU"

Please keep in mind the "horrible shit" term all along during your reading.

"MCU Tony has mortared a city full of civilians"

Okay so first point and it literally never happened. USA's government did that to Wanda and Pietro's town, not Tony so I hope it wasn't too painful to pull this nonsense out of your ass.

"Been a complete dick to all of his teammates"

Oh no... he was mean to Steve and his coworkers during their first movie ? What a complete tragedy, what a heartless monster. Please stop the violins, otherwise I might weep.

"Made multiple misogynistic comments about women mainly Natasha (looking at you prima nocta scene)"

Okay so you gave only one example to back this up and it's when he was obviously joking with his friends. Even if that joke may be in very bad taste, that doesn't make him a horrible person like you tried to demonstrate, you're just nitpicking.

"Manipulated a 16 year old into getting into a war with his former teammates"

A) "a war" please don't make me laugh. For most of the only fight Peter take part in, both sides were joking with the other while fighting and weren't even fighting seriously, they were just trying to incapacitate each other. Things only get messy after Tony ordered Peter to step back.

B) Tony didn't manipulate shit. He hid no vital informations to Peter and while bringing a 16 year old to an arrest was indeed a stupid decision, he knew Steve wouldn't harm him and that Peter was strong, competent and equipped enough to deal with him.

"Thought he was completely justified for trying to kill Bucky for something Bucky did unwillingly cuz he was fucking brainwashed"

Why the fuck are you lying ? At no point Tony justified himself for this. He tried during the whole Civil War plot to ease things with Steve and this even after his best friend got disabled for life because Steve escalated the situation at the airport, only to learn then that his friend lied to him all along about his parents' death.

At this point Tony just didn't care anymore and while he was obviously wrong for trying to kill Bucky, it's not like he had no understandable reasons to go after him. Brainwashed or not, most people would try to obliterate their parents' murderer if he stood right in front of them.

"Repeatedly mocked Bruce Banner who was filled with self loathing and even tried to kill himself because of how much he hated being The Hulk"

Firstly he joked with him, not about him. Secondly, Tony was the only one who respected Bruce from the start and never treated him like some ticking bomb ready to explode.

"Created most of the villains in the MCU (Mysterio and Co., Vulture, Aldrich Killian, The Maximoff Twins, Justin Hammer, The Flag-Smashers etc)"

Okay, where do I even begin on that.

Quentin Beck was a narcissistic asshole who got mad because his boss called his invention "B.A.R.F", that and Tony tossing it aside because this tech was way too expansive for its very limited applications. So not Tony's fault if Beck had an ego more fragile than a soap bubble.

Hammer tried to destroy Tony's image and Stark Industries first, so Tony defended himself by revealing he crippled a man by trying to replicate his tech. Hammer fucked around and found out, not Tony's fault if he's an hypocritical idiot.

Concerning the Flag Smashers, the reason they became terrorists wasn't caused by Tony bringing back half of the universe, it was due to the Global Repatriation Council's disastrous resources management.

About Toomes, Tony had no prior knowledge of the contract he signed with NY and even if he did, leaving dangerous alien tech in the hands of random people is quite a moronic idea, as evidenced by what they did with this tech for years. Not Tony's fault if Toomes is delusional and sucks at his job.

Aldrich Killian ? Be fucking real, he became a super-villain just because Tony ignored him, an archetypal greasy-haired nerd who literally drools as he talks, for a pretty chick on New Year's Eve.

Like obviously, when a serial killer stab someone to death, the most logical reaction is to blame those who assemble knives at the factory rather than the murderer himself, makes perfect sense to me.

The Maximoff Twins, my god this argument again... Yeah let's blame the guy who designed and sold weapons to his government rather than, oh I don't know, the fucking guys who used them against civilians ??

"Which also means he's also had some hand in the deaths caused by all these characters"

Literally none of the characters you quoted became super-villains because of him.

"Created Ultron"

He intended to create a security system against other alien invasions and it resulted in a genocidal robot, which only happened because Wanda mindraped him some hours before. Tony is responsible for Ultron's creation, Wanda for what he became.

And I don't want to see anybody whining in my mentions that he already planned to design Ultron prior to her mindraping him, not when she had this fucking grin after seeing Tony taking the Mind Stone with him.

Let alone when she threw this line, later in the movie : I saw Stark’s fear. I knew it would control him, make him self destruct.

She knew letting him take the Stone would cause something awful that might also kill him and she used her powers to make him even more paranoid. She's responsible for Ultron going from "A suit of armor around the world" to "Genocidal Murder Bot", not Tony.

"Thought it was a good idea to have a newly created AI be exposed to The Mind Stone which caused Ultron to kill JARVIS and go rogue

A) Which again wouldn't have happened if Wanda hadn't mindraped him the same day.

B) He didn't consciously exposed Ultron to it, the Mind Stone corrupted the AI on its own, something Tony and Bruce had no way to predict.

C) Still not his fault anyway. Ultron is sentient, he takes his own decisions. Tony being his "father" doesn't change anything to this state of fact.

"Profited off of war by making weapons of mass destruction and selling them"

Something he's spent over a decade to make amend for, notably by closing his weapons division and dedicating his life and resources to helping people and saving the world.

"Bought illegally obtained vibranium stolen directly from Wakanda by Klaue"

False too. All we know is that they met each other at the time Tony was still designing weapons ; and that Klaue told him he was looking for something new. At no point was it implied Tony illegally bought vibranium from him.

"Technically responsible for more vibranium being stolen from Wakanda by Klaue due to Ultron"

This vibranium was already stolen by Klaue when Ultron met him.

"Being responsible for everyone who died in Sokovia's death because he made Ultron"

So following your reasoning, I guess Jeffrey Dahmer's parents are responsible for every murder their son committed from his own free-will ? Did I get that right ?

"Being unwilling to help Steve and the others fix the Blip cuz muh daughter"

My god, how dare he... being against playing with time and rather trying to accept what happened while taking care of his family.

And this when we know screwing up with time can cause world-ending events.

Truly a proof of how horrible of a human being he is, indeed.

Btw I like how you ignored that Tony changed his mind and helped them afterwards.

"Supported The Sokovia Accords which need I remind you all Tony is technically responsible for The Accords being made because A. he's the one who killed Wanda's parents (blah blah blah, a lot of false attributions later...) causing her to kill Crossbones and a building full of people"

Still isn't him who dropped those mortar shells on her house. Just like it's not him who pushed Crossbones to go suicide-bombers, wrote the Sokovia Accords and incited 119 countries to sign them.

"and B. he is literally responsible for what happened to Sokovia BECAUSE HE MADE ULTRON"

Already answered to this shit, let's continue.

"Referring to Wanda as "a weapon of mass destruction" in Civil War"

Lmao because she isn't ? No one forced Wanda to join a terrorist organization, pal. Just like no one pushed her to act as a weapon of mass destruction, by using her powers to send Hulk on a rampage across Johannesburg or by enslaving Westview.

"meanwhile HE is the REASON SHE has her powers in the first place"

Sure, Tony whispered in her ear every night to go serve as a guinea pig for Nazis in order to get her revenge on him. I forgot this part of Wanda's backstory, silly me.

"Falsely imprisoning the heroes that didn't sign The Accords because he's a cunt"

Tony don't have any power or authority to imprison people, and the heroes he stopped got incarcerated because they indeed broke the law, you jackass.

"Being technically responsible for all the deaths caused by Wanda in Wandavision and DSATMOM because if he didn't kill her parents with his mortar..."

I don't think you know what "technically" means.

"then her and Pietro wouldn't have went to Hydra thus not getting their powers from The Mind Stone"

You know what would have actually prevented all the deaths Wanda caused ? Her not willingly joining Nazis to get her powers and going on a murder spree.

"And you are probably thinking "But he sacrificed himself at the end of Endgame !""

To save the whole universe indeed. That and quite a few other things, such as :

Outright refusing to help terrorists and getting tortured as a result.

Risking his life to save Yinsen.

Saving Afghans villagers from terrorists.

Saving Pepper and SHIELD's agents from Obadiah Stane.

Actively saving people on a daily basis, and this for a decade.

Developing a shit ton of armors to protect people more efficiently.

Saving New York and the world overall from Chitauris.

Stopping Killian from taking over the USA.

Curing Pepper from the Extremis treatment.

Designing Veronica with Bruce.

Fighting Hulk to protect Johannesburg.

Saving the world once again, alongside the Avengers.

Awarding promising students with the funds to develop their own projects and inventions.

Granting his tech to Peter and designing for him two suits that allowed him to save many lives.

Saving Stephen's life from Ebony Maw.

Helping the Avengers to travel in other timelines.

"Let me ask you this : If Strange had hold Tony that the only way to defeat Thanos is if Tony sacrificed himself would Tony do it"

It's literally what happened during Endgame, you fucking bozo. What do you think was the meaning of this scene ?

And it's not like it was something new, he was always ready to die for others' sake, right from the start, did you even watched the first Avengers movie ?

No wait, even better : Have you at least watched the beginning of his first solo movie ?

I wasn't expecting anything from Tony antis but sucking that hard at watching a movie is quite impressive ngl.

"Bottom line is MCU Wanda sucks and Tony Stark sucks"

Yeah no shit, that's pretty easy to say when you're making up lies to support your hate boner.

So in conclusion, this dude has no idea of what he's talking about and neither does Tony antis in general for using these bs as arguments.

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So with all the 'anti Tony' posts flooding the 'Tony Stark Defense Squad' tag and other pro-Tony tags, I have to once again post my feelings.

It is absolute insanity how so many MCU fans (especially Team Cap fans and Anti-Tony people) see everything in black and white.

So many refuse to accept that things are in shades of gray; that characters and situations are complicated and that character development actually can exist.

So with the the 'anti Tony' posts flooding the specific tags for Tony fans (trying to piss Tony fans off because they feel like morally superior for hating Tony), I need to post my own thoughts on some of the main issues being constantly mentioned. But unlike these "morally superior" anti-Tony/Team Cap fans, I will not use tags that would have my posts show up in their favorited tags, as I don't feel it necessary to ruin other people's enjoyment of characters based on their opinion to feel better than them.

So first argument I'm constantly seeing:

"Tony fans are fine/happy with Tony killing Bucky and don't care what Bucky's been through."

I'm pretty sure I talked about this before, but I've seen many Tony fans (definitely not all, I'm sure there are a bunch who would disagree with me) acknowledge what Bucky's been through and and understand he had absolutely no control.

Because saying "Tony's reaction to attacking Bucky is understandable" is not the same as saying "Bucky deserved to die by Tony's hand."

Tony just watched his father's head being bashed in and then his mother being strangled to death. And to top it all off, someone he trusted knew and purposely kept it from him. Tony antis constantly argue "he refused to to realize that Bucky was brainwashed!"

I'm pretty sure Tony couldn't think rationally at all at the time, with the whole watching his parents be brutally murdered while the man who murdered them is standing feet away from him and a finding our a trusted friend knew and purposely kept it from him.

And when this is said, Tony antis go, "so you think Bucky deserves to be brutally murdered?! Hypocrite!!!"

Tony's reaction to what has happened is understandable, but no, if Tony had indeed murdered Bucky, it would have been horrible. Bucky had been through immense torture and had absolutely no control of what happened. If Tony had ended up murdering Bucky, no justice would have truly been served; a tortured man would have been murdered for the actions of a Nazi organization controlling him.

Because things aren't in black and white; understanding one thing doesn't mean that you need to agree with everything that happens afterwords. Understanding Tony's reaction isn't saying Bucky deserved to die. There are layers to everything that happens, especially in fictional stories.

But this main belief of everything is in black and white seems to come back to Tony's character overall, which I've been seeing in these recent anti Tony posts:

"Tony Stark is a narcissist, so every single thing he does is to make himself feel better and/or because he's forced to do the right thing."

I......uh.......

Seriously?! Like, are you unable to think critically?! Or you took 'Textbook Narcissim" from Iron Man 2 and stuck with it throught the entire Infinity Saga because he's a white, male, heterosexual billionaire?

This is fiction, and even though Jon Favreau and RDJ said when filming Iron Man 1 that their Tony was based on Elon Musk in 2008, the fictional Tony Stark isn't the actual psychopath Elon Musk!

Like the argument I saw for Endgame was "Tony only sacrificed himself because Dr. Strange made him; he wouldn't have done anything if he wasn't forced."

Well no, I don't think he was all that thrilled to sacrifice himself and leave his wife and daughter, but what you refuse to accept, is that THINGS AREN'T IN BLACK AND WHITE. He can still choose to sacrifice himself because he truly wants to help the universe and destroy Thanos and his army all the while being terrified/heartbroken about leaving his wife and child behind. Emotions and actions are complicated! One emotion doesn't negate everything else. You can feel conflicting emotions at one time!!

And even if anti Tony people see this, they'll say "but if Strange didn't reiterate to Tony they only won in 1 out of 14 million possibilities, he would have just focused on saving himself." Yes, fighting Thanos was solely to make himself the hero and save himself only(this is sarcasm, but I'm sure Tony antis will be like "Yes! That's exactly right!").

There is so much more I can say about things not being black and white, but the fact that this belief is still pretty popular nowadays is absolutely wild for me. So many just cling to the black and white general characterizations of these characters and absolutely refuse to accept that characters, like people, are complicated.

That characters and situations aren't black and white.

They are shades of gray, and being shades of gray is what makes us able to sympathize and understand a characters actions and beliefs.

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Why when I go to tags such as Tony Stark Defense Squad” or “Pro Tony Stark” I’m seeing a bunch of posts from people who are using the “Anti Tony Stark tag” as well?

Like, you have every right to have your opinion, but what’s the reason for using tags that are the complete opposite of your post?

Is it…

A. Trying to convince Tony fans they’re wrong

Or….

B. Your posting the tags in hopes of pissing off Tony fans as much as possible because upsetting them makes you feel superior?

I’m gonna guess B is the answer.

And as much as you’re going to ignore this: having a different opinion and purposely making sure people who disagree with you see your opinion doesn’t make you superior. It just makes you look extremely immature.

Use all the tags you want that match your posts about why Tony is the worst!!! It’ll get thousands upon thousands of positive feedback, since the majority of MCU fans despise Tony and think Team Cap has never and can never do any wrong.

But using pro-Tony tags to rub your opinions in the faces of those who disagree is just so fucking immature.

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THIS VERSION IS DREAMS COMING TRUE

tony stark doesn't die.

he burns, from the inside out. the infinity stones are too much for a regular human to handle, and the iron man suit could only do so much. so he burns.

human inventions aren't adequate enough to combat cosmic damages. super soldier blood transfusions do nothing. gamma infused hulk blood also has no effect. extremis is a lost cause.

the entire right side of his body barely functions anymore. and his face. oh god, his face. it's so damaged, so scarred, tony can barely look himself in the mirror anymore, let alone expect others to look at him without cringing away.

so he hides.

he builds new armor. gone are the flashy colors. no more red and gold. just plain old gunmetal grey. gone are the nanobots. no more skin-hugging technology. just cold hard planes of metal. back to unflinching, terror-inducing steel, like the suit he wore when he flew out of that cave over a decade ago.

he hardly ever takes it off. it's the only way he can get his body to just move. it's life support. it's a high-tech prosthesis.

but that's not enough.

he's just so ashamed. sure, he's saved the world. but while everyone else lives on, he's barely surviving. so he covers himself up the best he can. with the armor. then with a cloak, so he looks a little softer, a little more inviting. not that it matters, when he hardly lets anyone see him anymore.

he stops wearing red. he can't even look at that color anymore, when all it does is remind him of the day he couldn't just die.

what's the opposite of red?

he wears green instead.

people looked at iron man and saw hope.

now people look at anthony stark and see doom.

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steve rogers doesn't die.

he lives a happy life, with the one who got away, and returns to his timeline knowing that he's fulfilled his lifelong dream and he can rest well knowing what it's like to grow old with the love of his life.

except that wasn't actually his dream.

he goes back to the future and finds out the man he's in love with is still alive, and if he plays his cards right, steve might just get to spend the rest of his life with tony.

but steve is old. and he's dying. the rest of his life could only last so long.

and tony doesn't even want to see him. tony doesn't want to see anyone.

so steve begs. he sends messages through friday. notes under the door. anything he can think of, he tries.

"please, give us a chance."

it takes longer than steve has time for, but he finally wears tony down. when tony opens the doors to the lab for steve, he hands over three vials filled with molten orange liquid.

"extremis. modified and enhanced trifold for a super soldier. it's a risk, but if it works, you'll have at least another fifty years left."

steve takes the risk.

his muscles come back. his wrinkles disappear. his hair darkens from white to gold.

steve picks up tony, armor and cloak and all, and spins him around in joy. he's so happy, he lights up from within.

literally, he lights up. his skin glows orange. he's dangerously hot to the touch. he breathes, and smoke escapes his mouth.

but becoming a human torch is a small price to pay if it means he gets to be with tony.

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Last night I realized another awful scenario if the rumors of RDJ’s Doctor Doom is a variant of Tony Stark becoming Doom…….

We all know Wanda is coming back to life; she is the darling of MCU female characters, the ultimate “girl boss” to the majority of fans.

What if the plan is when Wanda comes back, she comes back to destroy Doctor Tony Stark-Doom?

It won’t even be about defeating the villain of Doctor Doom; it’ll truly be about Wanda finally being able to prove Tony Stark was always the evil villain she said he was and finally being able to get her revenge for her family.

And only then, after he’s killed, the real Doctor Doom of the MCU will come in.

Like, the sole purpose of bringing RDJ back was just to not only push the narrative of “Tony Stark was always the villain of every universe”, but also “Wanda, no matter how much murder and mind control/manipulation she’s done, was always the true hero of the MCU and always knew the true evil of Tony Stark.”

……….

WHY can’t you just bring in the real Victor Von Doom immediately (whether it be a Romani actor or Cillian Murphy)

WHY must we continue to push the “evil villain Tony Stark” and “girl boss, most powerful/wonderful hero Wanda Maximoff”? Most fans believe that narrative anyway!

I would LOVE to see RDJ back in the MCU…….but how about not with the overused plot of “any Tony Stark is a villain and causes all the problems of the MCU”

You know what would be a good idea? Maybe bring RDJ back as Tony Stark/Iron Man from a world where every one trusted him from the beginning of becoming Iron Man.

A world where maybe, just maybe, Thanos failed the first time around because the Avengers didn’t immediately dismiss Tony when he warned them of what was coming!!!!

But noooooo, fans don’t want to see that! They want to see more of the same narrative they’ve been pushing since the beginning even though there are so many moments that prove that narrative to be false that writers/directors/fans choose to ignore!

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Rumors are circulating that RDJ’s Doctor Doom is going to be a version of Tony Stark that turns into Doom. And I’m just like….

WE GET IT; THE MAJORITY OF PEOPLE HAVE ALWAYS SEEN TONY STARK AS THE VILLAIN. ENOUGH WITH CONTINUING TO PUSH THIS NARRATIVE.

The only version of this rumor I would accept is if it starts off generally the same as the original MCU timeline, but the Avengers push him out and turn on him, especially after Ultron. That no matter how much Tony tries to help, the Avengers (and basically the world) persecute him and shun him. EVEN when Thanos comes and proves Tony right, they still blame him. So then Tony’s like “fine, you want me to be the villain, I’ll be the villain”

Which…….in all honesty, isn’t too far off from what the original MCU is.

But, knowing the Russo brothers and knowing how Tony’s character has always been seen by the vast majority of MCU fans, I’m sure if this rumor is true, they’re going the route of “Tony was always the villain, just like the majority of our fans have always said!”

C’mon writers/directors; how about you be a little more fucking creative than continue to push the “Tony Stark was always and always will be evil” even after he sacrificed himself to save the galaxy.

Or maybe……JUST FOLLOW THE COMICS! It’s okay to have Doom be, ya know, DOOM. You don’t need to always tell everyone about how much you hate Tony Stark……after he died.

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okay guys but in all seriousness the trump attempted assassination is going to rally the right like crazy. voter turnout will be going up. it is more crucial than ever that you SHOW UP AND VOTE IN THIS YEARS PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION.

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