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Well, I mean . . . production of every show on TV is different. The requirements needed to film The Walking Dead are not necessarily the same as those to film IWTV.

And yes, that is because TV production has changed. Because, until relatively recently, scripts for shows were not all written before a season of a show began filming. Like, for a 22-episode series, you could be filming Episode 10 while Episode 15 was still being written. And the breaking of episodes 16 and 17 was still going on in the writer's room that same week.

But with Prestige TV shows, more and more, that just doesn't really happen anymore. More and more, all the scripts for a season are written before shooting starts.

And then -- and this pretty much goes for all TV shows -- the breaking and writing of the scripts needed for the next season are not written while shooting is going on for the current one. That does not start happening until usually after the airing of the season just filmed is completed.

Which, depending on the show's complexity wrt post-production, can add on to the production time.

The Walking Dead started its run when that previous formula for writing and shooting TV Shows was still in place -- still writing episode scripts while you are shooting the show. And no, I'm not 100% sure that is how The Walking Dead functioned wrt its writing, but given they usually had 16 episodes per season, as well as the production length of the shoot for it? I don't think I'm wrong in guessing it was.

And the way writing scripts for IWTV works compared to that is completely different. They do it very much in the new way, where all the scripts for the season are written before shooting begins.

Which, honestly, is why there wasn't a quality dip with the show's writing in Season 2 due to the writer's strike. The IWTV writing staff got all the scripts for Season 2 written and done in December of 2022, months before the strike happened. This even left them time for any revisions that might've been needed before the strike started.

On average, it appears to take the IWTV writers at least 4 months to write all the scripts for a season (assuming an 8-episode season). There was probably a little extra time needed for Season 3 since they had to write songs, and likely one reason shooting started in June instead of April, like last time for Season 2.

So yeah, The Walking Dead was written and shot like how TV Production (used to be) usually always done. IWTV, in contrast, is written and shot like how (good) movies are.

And let's be real -- the Vampire Chronicles do get more complex and bigger in scope going forward, for now, until they are at least done with Queen of the Damned. It's why Rolin was already talking before now of splitting that book's adaptation into two seasons.

So honestly, I think a two-year shooting period is going to be standard for the show as of right now. Because I don't even think it's a guess that they haven't even begun to break the story and start pre-production for Season 4 (excluding whatever outline Rolin may already have in his head for it).

And IMO they won't start any work on Season 4 until post-production on Season 3 is done, which likely won't be until the beginning of next year. (So sometime around Summer 2026 is when prep-work and breaking/writing will start for Season 4, IMO.)

Also, given Mayfair Witches' shooting schedule and then The Talamasca's shooting schedule during the past year (which did NOT overlap at all), I don't think AMC wants any of those shows filming at the same time IWTV is. Or when either of the other is filming. And I suspect those two shows have already started prepping/pre-production on their next seasons. (Or at least Mayfair Witches likely has. Talamnasca is likely still finishing up post-production for its first season, and will likely start Season 2 prep sometime in the winter.)

So once again, I think those two show will do their shoots first before IWTV can begin theirs for Season 4. Which, when you look back, is also a big factor in what held up production of Season 3 -- having to wait for both of those shows to finish their productions first.

Which is probably not only just a budget thing for the studio (though it does stagger production costs), but the fact that all 3 shows have the same producer, Mark Johnson. They probably don't want him stretched thin trying to oversee overlapping productions going on at the same time, either.

Because honestly, IMO, they very much likely could have hit that fall production date that was originally set. But then Talamansca filmed instead. (And Talamansca looks poised to take the Fall/Autumn airing spot going forward, while Mayfair Witches takes the Winter spot.)

So yeah, honestly, if I had to guess, pre-production for Season 4 will start sometime next year, during the summer. But shooting of Season 4 won't begin until sometime in 2027.

Which, yes, would then mean time needed for post-production. And therefore, yes, that could mean a release date sometime in early 2028.

And yeah, that would suck, but it's just the way it works. 🤷🏾‍♀️

2 years for 8 episodes is crazy in my opinion. I know you're probably going to say if we want quality it's better to wait 2 years but I believe we can have a good season without the 2 years waiting. If the filming for season 3 will be finished in october, may/june or july is really pushing the thing. If we have season 4, it will be in 2028. 🤯 I guess it's better than 3 or 4 years of waiting but c'mon. Not related but you mentioned October and I think IWTV should be a autumn/winter show not spring/ summer.

No, I've never bought into the ever-popular "quality" excuse.

Because excellent TV shows used to release on a yearly basis, including AMC's The Walking Dead.

TWD would film every year from May to November and would premiere in October every year while filming was still happening through November.

There's no excuse for 2-3-4-5 years between seasons, and I will not back down from that.

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HEY V! i was looking closer at the scars on that lestat photo..and it sorta looks like wolf claws on his rib cage? I might just be fishing for Wolfkiller lestat….

But what do you think?

thank you!

Here's the thing.

*deeps breaths*

First of all, I need to gather myself, because I've been about to bust! a! gut! to talk about the scars. They've consumed my every waking thought since I (graciously 🫂🙏🏽😘🥰) saw a little sneaky-peaky of them. Like, I've not been able to move on from them.

So anyways.....back to my original thought. *overwhelmingly chuckles*

The scars match how Lestat's burn scars are described in the books. If they were meant to be from something as old as the wolf fight, they would look more healed and more deeply imprinted in his skin like old scars look.

These....are fresh and when I say fresh, I mean in the sense they've happened since he's been a vampire within the last few decades.

And if you notice —

There is another scar on the right side of his chest here that is not present in the other photo.

I think these are the final remnants of burn scars from Louis burning him in Paris.

I think he starts out much more scarred due to years of improper feeding and once he starts the rockstar thing, he begins feeding properly again, and they start finally healing.

I've seen speculations about maybe these scars are from rogue vampires? Since in The Vampire Lestat, that is what Lestat is trying to do is lure them away from Louis and while I love that speculation, those wounds would heal instantly. He is far too powerful at this point for those silly little rogues to ever be able to injure him to the extent we're seeing in these photos.

So yeah.....whatever happened in Paris? Voilà!

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Hi virginia. I just had a question: When did Louis burn Lestat in Paris? Sorry not a book reader, just watched the show.

In the books, Louis burns Lestat prior to him and Claudia fleeing New Orleans.

Rolin Jones was asked why Lestat's murder was different in the show than in the books and he said "you can't burn Lestat twice."

Twice? We didn't even see him burned once in the show.

My speculation is that the tower scene in 2x08 was bullshit, and the reality is Louis set Lestat on fire in a fit of rage.

This has been my speculation since last year, because there is no way that tower scene happened as told for many reasons.

There is also a reason Lestat sounded weak and ill during the call in 1973. Something happened to him that we do not yet know about, and I think it's the reality of Paris and how Lestat was actually gravely injured back then.

His injuries would instantly heal if they were being presently made by rogue vampires due to Lestat's level of power at this point in the timeline. Being viciously burned back *then* prior to all the decades in between Paris and Dubai in which Lestat possibly went underground again when he believed Louis was dead and when he wasn't properly feeding and was likely still injured from the murder night? Yeah, those scars are going to last.

He's also wearing them like a badge of honor and like I said, I believe they either came from Louis or they pertain to Louis.

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Wake up people, FIRST LOOK at The Vampire Lestat

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This.👆🏾

It's the same thing with his "Yeah" when Alice told him she was pregnant. When Daniel clearly doesn't care about something -- or even someone -- he gets very cold, emotionally, about it or them.

And hearing what Armand said about Daniel's parents, I wouldn't be surprised if that coldness first came up within him, in some way, from having to grow up with them.

Why did Daniel told that girl to put a bag over her head😔

Because there‘s “a sliver of coldness“ in him…

A power move, a means of suppression and cruelty all rolled into one.

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Cinderella (1997) + costumes

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Yep, and as I've said before, I do think Louis and Lestat will forgive Armand eventually, but it's going to take a long, long time. Much longer than it ever did in the books.

And even then? I think Lestat will get to that place of forgiveness first, before Louis ever will. Just due to their natures, and Louis' clear rage at what Armand did regarding his memories.

Because while in the IWTV book, it is alluded to that Armand fogged Louis' mind after Paris, in the show, Armand completely edited Louis' memories, and edited them in a much more extensive way that was way beyond simply fogging them.

And this is why I also think Armand's suicide attempt from Memnoch the Devil also has to happen in the show. And will happen before Louis and Lestat ever begin to forgive him.

Because before that event in Memnoch, though Lestat understood Armand, he still avoided and ignored him, by his own admission to David. It was only after Memnoch that that began to change, at least wrt Lestat. And then Lestat trusting Armand with Louis' safety.

However, unlike the books, I do think the show is going to give us Louis and Lestat's reactions to all the things Armand revealed in his own book after his suicide attempt, particularly what he did to Claudia before her execution. (Meaning again, yeah, that bit of info wouldn't be revealed in Season 3, IMO.)

Basically, IMO, Armand is going to have to hit rock bottom and finally reach that place of confessing everything -- while knowing there will be no redemption for him even as he does so -- like he did in the books, before forgiveness will even be a possibility for him from both Louis and Lestat.

But that rock bottom is going to mean Armand having to tell them what he did to her, and driving them to probably even more anger at him, because of the extent of what Armand did wrt Louis' mind and memories on top of that. Which, IMO, will just have to lead to a different path for the three of them, and one that doesn't have Louis and Armand living in some Trinity Gate-like situation afterwards.

Especially because Louis in the show already had his Merrick suicide attempt back in 1973, and will now be decades removed from it. Whereas, in the books, Louis' suicide attempt happened only a few years after Armand's attempt, and after Louis had already heard about what Armand did to Claudia before she was executed.

This timeline switch means we have a Louis, in the show, who will be in a different mental state when he hears about what Armand did to Claudia than the one from the book was in.

I also think this is why younger Daniel, back in 1973, also didn't hear about Armand's role in everything regarding Claudia's fate. Because a Daniel, who now has two daughters of his own, hearing about what Armand did to Claudia, now?

Let's just say I don't think the show making it so younger-Daniel didn't hear about what really happened at the trial (which, if Louis had continued his story back in 1973, Daniel would have heard the real version of the events that happened there), and then the show giving Daniel two daughters of his own later on was a coincidence.

And Armand, in Dubai, saying he was trying to hide his cowardice from Daniel by cutting out some of Claudia's diary pages wasn't a lie or just a throwaway line either IMO.

Can you see this Lestat trusting this Armand to ever care for this Louis after everything this Armand has done to this Louis?

See thats what I think is not translating to some between the book and the show no matter how many times you say it.

In the book Armand just kinda wandered away..in the show Louis threw him into a wall!

Kinda changes things...ya know.

And also before Louis threw him into a wall, Armand had spent decades systemically abusing Louis and neglecting him and taking his agency and warping his mind and erasing his memories.

It is all very different in the show.

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And can I add, I actually kind of wonder if Louis already knows about what Armand did to Nicki (or at least did know, before Dubai), given that in the fight in 2x05, Louis mentioned Armand chopping off hands.

That was another reference during the 2x05 fight that threw me off. Because if Louis did know in San Francisco what Armand did to Nicki's hands, when did he learn about it? It couldn't have been before he and Claudia got to Paris and met Armand and the coven for the first time. Otherwise, I don't think Louis and Claudia would have been surprised to meet Armand in Paris.

So in my mind, that little fact must have been something that was revealed at the trial, and by Lestat, I'd say.

But yeah, I agree, Trinity Gate? Not happening in the show's universe, and IMO Dubai was already the equivalent of it.

I am very interested to see how the show adapts their real relationship moving forward and especially given the changes they made between Armand and Louis.

Especially given that Louis detests Armand, and I remember a season two interview where Sam said Lestat wishes Armand would just go away and rather would not have anything to do with him.

I guess chances are slim that Trinity Gate actually happens

The writing choices they've made with Loumand were, in my opinion, mostly to eliminate the need for a Trinity Gate era in the show. I've talked about that before.

Can you see this Lestat trusting this Armand to ever care for this Louis after everything this Armand has done to this Louis? Can you see this Louis ever desiring to be away from this Lestat and back with this Armand?

No.

This isn't even accounting for how they're going to spin this Armand's involvement in Nicki's death, which was already hinted.

".....with a little help from others."

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And all D&D had to do to get the Game of Thrones job was to guess who Jon's mother was correctly. Literally, that was it. All they had to do was answer a question that most of the people who'd read the books had been theorizing about for almost two decades at that point; to the point that there was even an equation shorthand for it (R + L = J), and you could probably find out even if you hadn't read all the books.

Meanwhile, when it came to the actual themes Martin was writing about in the books? Well, David Benioff made it clear that he thinks "Themes are for 8th Grade book reports." (Which he first said back in 2013, long before the show was set to end.) 🙄

That was basically Geroge R.R. Martin's mistake -- asking them about who Jon's mother was instead of asking them to talk about the themes of the story he was telling and such.

However, the fact that HBO never forced those two knuckleheads to get a real writers' room, but instead let them fart around and write the show themselves, even after their disaster of a pilot, which had to be fully reshot, is very much on HBO and the industry. And yes, also shows the ability of white men in the industry to fail upwards pretty easily. (And especially if their daddy was once the head of Goldman Sachs.)

And honestly, Game of Thrones didn't first start to go off the rails after D&D ran out of books. It actually started going off the rails back in Season 2, when they did the House of the Undying sequence, and D&D left out not only the crucial themes and prophesies that the story starts setting up in that sequence, but also left out the critical part of Dany's internal need, which is for a home, symbolized by The House with the Red Door. The true thing that her character wanted above all else, including over taking back her family's throne.

The changing of that whole sequence showed D&D didn't really get it, and were very much just interested in doing what they've always hinted at, which is getting to Season 3 so they could shock the world with the Red Wedding. That was it. That was the only thing, story-wise, that they cared about wrt GOT.

The rest of the story and the character arcs past that, they did not care about, beyond how rich, famous, and revered in the industry the show could make them. And yeah, they did get hailed as geniuses, just for cribbing off someone else's story. But it was a story that they did not give a shit about the themes of, or of telling in even a surface-level way of faithfulness to GRR Martin's from the beginning, (and especially not after Season 4).

(Plus, reading copies of the GOT scripts that are in the WGA archive made it clear to me that those two idiots had no idea how to write for a visual medium, even after seven seasons of doing so. Though I was feeling it even before seeing those scripts that confirmed it.)

As for Abrams, I do think he has talent directing-wise, but he is -- and always has been -- too enamored of his whole "mystery box" concept and approach to storytelling. But you can't tell a satisfying story with just a concept.

And the fact that it took him f-ing up a billion-dollar franchise of movies to figure that out is ridiculous. That is something you are supposed to have learned back in a basic creative or screenwriting course. Hell, even a damn one-day seminar or YouTube video on the subject should have been enough!

Say what you want about the prequels (and I have said some stuff), but at least George Lucas has more of a story with a plan going on with those movies than Abrams has wrt the sequel trilogy.

So you "Should've had a plan"? No shit, Sherlock! 🙄

Directors or Showrunners who are allowed to treat these shows and/or movies like their own personal writing and film schools piss me off. And in the end, all they did was just pull together things and predictions from online fandom to try and finally tell some sort of story to get to some kind of an ending.

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still not over the stephen colbert thing, the way they're punishing him so much by not only essentially firing him but cancelling the show he loves in its entirety, which means also punishing all 200 people who work for and with him on the show.

it is setting an example. it's saying, "this is what happens when you speak truth to power. we will not only punish you. we'll punish the people around you that you've led and loved. is it worth it now, stephen? would it be worth it, other late night talk show hosts? if you don't keep quiet, we will quiet you". the other late night talk show hosts are not all under paramount (iirc, it's just the daily show), but this sets a precedent that tells them they are all vulnerable.

"it's not a big deal" idk man it really seems like it is

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There is also the fact that Louis specifically said in 2x08 that the book should never have been published in the first place.

That's why Louis torched Daniel's laptop. He didn't want the book to be published at all, after Daniel figured out everything and Louis realised what had been happening.

IMO, I think it will be Louis who reaches out to Daniel to be the one to do the interview with Lestat. Kind of as a "you owe me" thing, since Louis said Daniel could keep the $10 million instead of giving it back for having published the book when Louis didn't want that.

So I think for Louis, he'll want to hear Lestat's POV on everything -- from the things Lestat only kind of clinically told Louis about (like what happened with Magnus and Nicki) to what all happened when they were together and what happened in Paris, since IMO Louis will probably feel he can't trust his own memories about those events anymore.

So yeah, Lestat won't be the only one not pleased with the book. It has already been set up in 2x08 that Louis isn't really pleased about the book either.

"He does not want to do this, but he knows he has to.

For Louis"

The writers better not pull any punches or pull away from this either.

Louis is why he's putting himself through this

I mean, they've already set that up too with the ending of 2x08 and all the voices threatening Louis.

But Lestat is also pissed and hurt over Louis' portrayal in the book, and Rolin has hinted that Lestat won't be pleased with the book in the show either.

So there are a few layers at play, but the baseline is Louis. Lestat wants to shield Louis and wants Louis to know the truth.

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I'm in the middle of reading Realms of Atlantis right now, and Lestat's PTSD regarding Magnus is SUPER apparent in the book during a specific moment (that I won't spoil).

And not in a "well, if you read it in that way..." type of way, no. It is straight UP PTSD.

So yeah, I agree, I think the show is already leaning directly into that fact wrt Lestat's character. And what they show of it will likely be much darker than people expect too.

idk if I'm reading too much into it but that poster makes me feel like they're really going to lean into the horror of Magnus and what he does to Lestat. Which I already felt, based on what Rolin and Sam have said, that they were going to lean into. But yeah. :D

Honestly? This is one of the (many) aspects that needs to be blatantly clear. Lestat's trauma needs to be on full display for people to finally get it.

And just within the show universe, they've already primed the audience for Magnus' entrance.

He's trembling here at the mention of his maker —

He's lost in the memory here before telling Louis that's why he doesn't like being abandoned —

He's stricken with fear and panic here at the mention of Magnus and someone mentally speaking to him from the crowd just as Magnus had done —

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ASSAD ZAMAN as Armand

INTERVIEW WITH THE VAMPIRE (2024) 2.08 – And That's The End of It. There's Nothing Else.

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So there are tweets about Assad now being on set. Which, if true, yeah, pretty much lines up with what I thought -- which is that Armand would make his first appearance around Episode 3x02 or so, which, if they are filming in order, would be what they'd be filming right now.

I've, for a while, been thinking that Lestat would be turned by the end of episode 3x01, which would parallel Louis being turned by the end of episode 1x01. (And might also bookend things wrt Magnus' tower at the end of the season as well.)

I still don't think we're going to see Armand in any present-day scenes in Season 3 until maybe the final episode of Season 3. But he's for sure going to be in almost all the flashback scenes, especially if we get the Season 1 and 2 IWTV revists like I'm expecting we're going to get this coming season.

And can I just say -- this is why I was never worried about Assad leaving the show or Armand's character possibly not being in much of this coming season? Nor do I care that Assad's not going to Comic Con this year either, because I didn't really expect him to.

Because it's just clear to me why he's not, and that is because of what Armand's story role in Season 3 is going to be, which is what I've been saying since before Season 2 ended -- that he was going to be presented as a villain.

He won't really be just that, but that is what Season 3 is going to make him look like, due to the nature of his role -- and the things his character does -- in The Vampire Lestat.

And honestly, for Assad to explain Armand's motivations for everything he will be doing in Season 3? He would kind of have to spoil what we already know is coming in Season 4, which is Armand's backstory. And therefore, spoilers for those general audience members who don't have any idea where all this is going with his character.

You know. If he didn't just outright lie about it or something. (And I kind of get the feeling he doesn't like to do that, given a bit here and there in some of his post-Season 2 interviews.)

So yeah, I personally don't need him to sit at a Comic Con panel trying to say as little as possible about Armand's character and where things are going. (Or worse, trying to lie about it to hide stuff.) I can wait until Season 3 is over for him to start giving more hints about all of that.

So yeah, the FUD about Assad leaving the show or his part being reduced was always that -- FUD. Because it was Assad himself who let it slip toward the end of Season 2 that Armand's backstory would be coming in Season 4. So why the hell would he leave the show before that season if he already knew that?

I'm sorry, but seriously, as an Assad and Armand fan, that talk -- his part was getting reduced / he was leaving / should leave the show -- was honestly driving me nuts for the past few weeks or so. It's like people weren't even listening to things Assad himself said before this about Armand's character and the hints of what he knows about where things are going with Armand and how the show is going to tell it.

So maybe now that he's apparently on set, some of that talk can finally stop. 😑

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