Speaking of fainting heroines, Marianna from Sandokan (mostly the novels) is your potential third case, her fainting at the first sign of danger and stress is a bit of a minor/obscure meme.
I don't know how to feel about you trying to coin a trope name with a single example. Like, dunno, your definition of a Fainting Heroine is a bit too specific? Are there any other Fainting Heroines besides Nihal? Would, for example, early stage Hatice apply?
Yeah, this was mostly a jokey analysis of how Nihal compares to classic Gothic heroines. Of course this is not a legitimate trope.
As for Hatice, letâs analyze!!
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Differences ïżŒ
- âGH tends to be a victim of an oppressive patriarch. FH is a victim of a neglectful patriarch.â
I would say that Hatice is the victim of a neglectful patriarch instead of an oppressive one, especially early on in the show: FH
- âGH is imprisoned in spaces and rooms against her will and experiences claustrophobia, FH wants to stay in her motherâs womb room for all eternity.â
The room thing doesnât super apply to Hatice, but early Hatice doesnât seem to want to leave her motherâs womb? : FH
- âGH is often orphaned and/or is the product of an unhappy childhood, FH is the product of a (seemingly) too happy childhood.â
Hatice hadnât lost any parent until young adulthood, and with the way her siblings and mother dote on her, her childhood was presumably mostly happy, at least seemingly so: FH
- âGH is either extremely beautiful or noticeably plain, FH is simply indescribably elegant.â
Hatice is both very beautiful and indescribably elegant, so both: Both
- âGH can be seen in dark cramped spaces, FHâs surroundings tend to be well-lightened and comfortableâ
As an Ottoman lady, Hatice is in well-lightened, comfortable, wide spaces: FH
- âGH has legitimate fears, FHâs troubles are mostly in her head.â
Hmm. Hatice has some real troubles, but she definitely makes up troubles in her head too: Both
- âGH is studious or curious, FH is easily distracted during her lessons and is not super curious.â
Yeah. I donât think Hatice is a very curious or studious person: FH
- âGH faints during especially frightening circumstances, FH faints when she is sad.â
Both
- âGHâs fainting is a genre requirement, FHâs fainting is a medical condition.â
Haticeâs is a genre requirement, every woman in MC faints: GH
- âGHâs family history haunts her, FHâs family history is less explored.â
I would say Haticeâs family history is fairly relevant for her brother and thus for her own fate: GH
- âGH has creepy servants she fears, FH has annoying servants she likes.â
She doesnât have substantial interactions with any servant besides Nigar and Nigar is at points both a creepy servant she fears (Season 2A) and an annoying servant she likes for some indecipherable reason (Season 3B): Both
- âGHâs story tends to end in marriage, death or madness, FHâs ends with a âreturn to normalâ.â
Yeah. Haticeâs story ends with madness and death: GH
- âMen in GHâs life are creepy and dangerous, men in FHâs life are just jerks.â
Ibrahim has a dangerous edge but not towards Hatice. Towards her, he is just a massive jerk: FH
Similarities
- âFH is still the product of being imprisoned in a confined space: She does have to watch her brother running away to a new life in his school while she can barely leave the house, and thatâs at the root of her troubles.â
Well, as an upper-class Muslim woman of course Haticeâs life is very confined, but she doesnât seem to ever yearn for any âadventure in the great wide somewhereâ, not even momentarily like Nihal does, so: No
- âGH and FH both tend to have artistic sensibilities and an instrument they play excellently.â
Hatice does end up playing the violin and it has a romantic significance: Yes
- âThey both faint even if it is for different reasons.â
Yes
- âThey both often have frightening dreams and see portends of death.â
Hatice definitely has those: Yes!!
- âThey both are impacted by the natureâs beauty.â
Hatice doesnât seem to have a special inclination for nature (at least I personally donât remember) but I will say yes just for that scene in early Season 3 where she walked in the garden and the seasons changed around her: Yes
- âThey both have an inclination towards everything French.â
Hahahaha nope: No
- âThey are both pressured into unwise marriages.â
Frequently: Yes
- âBoth have unusual family situations.â
Yes
- âFH is also partially orphaned.â
Hatice does lose her father in Episode 1: Yes
- âBoth often inherit their motherâs looks/diseases/fate.â
Hatice is the sister who looks the most like AyĆe Hafsa and she does inherit her motherâs enmity with HĂŒrrem. But I donât know if I would say yes: I donât know
- âAt the center of both of their stories there tends to be a scandalous secret that they slowly discover, it is just that the secret FH discovers is more prosaic.â
Yep, the Nibrahim affair just like Nihal learning about the Bihter/BehlĂŒl affair. I would say that the Nibrahim affair is at the center of Haticeâs story in Season 2, so in a good chunk of her arc. It is prosaic but it is a scandalous secret, and one she has multiple frightening dreams about: Yes
- âOften both have âhappy endingsâ that leave you unnerved when looked at more closely.â
Haticeâs ending isnât âhappyâ in any way. Not even in the esoteric way of Valide and Cihangir where they move on to the Heaven, maybe because Hatice committed suicide. So no âhappy endingâ, not even the unnerving kind: No
Conclusion: I wonât tally it up but I think it is safe to say that Hatice Sultan of Magnificent Century can be considered a Fainting Heroine.
today i learned twitter artists are posting their own art but captioning it as if they're reposting someone else's work, bc it gives them waaay more engagement. and its worked every time. the state of social media is truly so over đ
Another old sketch, one of the first MonHun muses I had; a fanged wyvern combining traits of gharials and gorgonopsids.
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TORRENIAL
Title - Gharial wyvern
Monster class - Fanged wyvern
Known locales - Coastal regions, marshlands and oases
Element/ailment - Water
Elemental weakness - Ice (3), Thunder (2), Dragon (1), Fire (0), Water (0)
Ailment weakness - Poison (2), Stun (2), Blast (1), Paralysis (1), Sleep (1)
Torrenial is a fanged wyvern predominantly native to coastal regions and marshlands, with some populations eking out a living by desert oases and rivers. Distinguished by its long snout and pale-brown colours, Torrenial is a formidable apex predator whose defensive integrity of its scutes complements its powerful jaws. Six flexible ports along its sides discharge water at high pressure from internal sacs, enabling both bursts of mobility and surprisingly effective projectile attacks.
Torrenial is an ambush predator that specialises in lurking in shallow bodies of water, usually in the lagoons or rivers in coastal regions. It patiently waits for prey to come to the water's edge before lunging, combining its own sheer strength with bursts of speed to seize the victim and drag it underwater. It occasionally ventures into deeper water to catch fish if need be. Excelling in catching prey and rivals by surprise, Torrenial is liable to attack most anything that passes by the water, but it is comparatively passive if traversing on land. While humans are not usually worth the predator's interest, field workers are nevertheless advised to stay away from Torrenial and not to go near shallow bodies of water without first checking the fanged wyvern isn't present.
Its ability to discharge water from its ports makes Torrenial formidable. It can change directions, reverse or strike from a distance with controlled bursts of water. Combined with its strength and jaws, this allows Torrenial to easily overpower most other monsters, especially if in its element.
Torrenial exhibit sexual dimorphism; adult males have a large sturdy knob on their snout called a ghara. Males use the ghara to display to females and intimidate rival males, resonating sound through it to signal their vitality. Males are highly competitive, contending for territories that ideally overlap with three to four females; usually they use their ghara to settle disputes, but occasionally they will resort to wrestling; these brawls rarely result in injury. The females in a male's territory congregate to lay eggs at the centre of his turf, which the male diligently guards until the infants hatch and disperse to shadow their mothers. Their father will tolerate them but no longer makes an effort to protect them. The mother's care will only last for a year or so until the juveniles are old enough to find their own way in the world.
As an apex predator comparable to monsters like Rathalos, Torrenial should only be challenged by experienced hunters (Low Rank - 5, High/Master Rank - 4). Hunters must be wary of facing the fanged wyvern in its natural environment; Torrenial may be lurking in any body of water, waiting to strike. Sonic bombs can surprise and expose it, and keeping the fight on land is crucial for forcing the fanged wyvern to empty its aqua sacs, reducing its effectiveness.
Fully grown Torrenial knows few threats beyond elder dragons. Coastal individuals occasionally contend with competition from the likes of Plesioth or Lagiacrus, but hunting further inland alleviates this issue. Individuals in the desert can run afoul of the likes of Monoblos, but taking to the water allows them to avoid a needless fight. Juveniles, of course, can become prey for carnivores like Hyborlex, but a vigilant adult can see off most threats.
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Thanks for reading and take care
Hiii, I've started AĆk-ı Memnu (in the Italian translation) ! At the beginning of the novel there's an introduction of the translator that picked my attention because it brought up some points that I remember from your posts, namely the fact that Halit Ziya took inspiration from the usual conflict between the ""sexually active"" brunette vs the pretty delicate blonde girl, but with a new and particular attention to the psychology of the characters, and that the conflict between Nihal and her stepmother is also given a new depth and it's far from being the same we're used to in the snow white fairytales (the translator mentioned this tale specifically). The translator name is Cristiano Bedin if you're interested ! I thought of you in reading the introduction
Hi!
I actually got a free sample of the Italian translation and read Bedinâs introduction via Google Translate, yes thatâs the level of my dedication to this book. I think it is a very good introduction: It gives the necessary historical and biographical background and its assessments on the book and the characters are fair and accurate. I was pleasantly surprised by the Snow White reference since it is not that common a comparison in AĆk-ı Memnu criticism. I mean maybe I shouldnât be surprised since Berna Moran mentions Nardaniye Hanım (the Turkish variant of Snow White) in his famous essay on the novel, but I still was surprised by Bedin mentioning it.
I hope the translation is readable and I hope you will have fun reading the book. But even if you hate it, it will be interesting to hear your perspective :)
B) Trying to pet the monster (doesn't really matter which one)
To be clear- this is your PERSONAL myth demise.
It is not "how would you die in the *world* of Greek myth?". Statistically, that's plague, giant disaster, war or monster rampage.
This is the myth with your name on it, the one that becomes an example. You get to be the main character in this ill-fated morality play, and it's gonna be something that's like yeah, that's me.
Toribot+ my Dragon Quest IX protagonist saying goodbye and thank you to a legend.
I picked DQ IX because it's the most personal tribute I can make, as one of my favorite games of all time, in big part thanks to its wonderful world and art.
B) Trying to pet the monster (doesn't really matter which one)
To be clear- this is your PERSONAL myth demise.
It is not "how would you die in the *world* of Greek myth?". Statistically, that's plague, giant disaster, war or monster rampage.
This is the myth with your name on it, the one that becomes an example. You get to be the main character in this ill-fated morality play, and it's gonna be something that's like yeah, that's me.
This year I got to work on a tabletop RPG doing some MonHun inspired characters and it was a ton of fun âš
The game revolves around the wilders, mutated rangers that try to stop the frenzy, a virus that makes monsters violent and self-destructive. Not only hunters but also chefs!
WILDERFEAST is live on kickstarter right now, you can check all about it and support it here!
Anyway while we're on the subject of public misconception towards living things (which is completely understandable because have you SEEN living things? There's like dozens of them!) here's a fresh rundown of some common mistakes about bugs!
Arachnids aren't just spiders! They're also scorpions, mites, ticks and some real weirdos out there
Insects with wings are always finished growing! Wings are the last new thing they ever develop! There can never be a "baby bee" that's just a smaller bee flying around.
That said, not all insects have larvae! Many older insect groups do look like little versions of adults....but the wings rule still applies.
Insects do have brains! Lobes and everything!
Only the Hymenoptera (bees, ants and wasps) have stingers like that.
Not all bees and wasps live in colonies with queens
The only non-hymenoptera with queens are termites, which is convergent evolution, because termites are a type of cockroach!
There are still other insects with colonial lifestyles to various degrees which can include special reproductive castes, just not the whole "queen" setup.
Even ants still deviate from that; there are multi-queen ant species, some species where the whole colony is just females who clone themselves and other outliers
There is no "hive mind;" social insects coordinate no differently from schools of fish, flocks of birds, or for that matter crowds of humans! They're just following the same signals together and communicating to each other!
Not all mosquito species carry disease, and not all of them bite people
Mosquitoes ARE ecologically very important and nobody in science ever actually said otherwise
The bite of a black widow is so rarely deadly that the United States doesn't bother stocking antivenin despite hundreds of reported bites per year. It just feels really really bad and they give you painkillers.
Recluse venom does damage skin, but only in the tiny area surrounding the bite. More serious cases are due to this dead skin inviting bacterial infection, and in fact our hospitals don't carry recluse antivenin either; they just prescribe powerful antibiotics, which has been fully effective at treating confirmed bites.
Bed bugs are real actual specific insects
"Cooties" basically are, too; it's old slang for lice
Crane flies aren't "mosquito hawks;" they actually don't eat at all!
Hobo spiders aren't really found to have a dangerous bite, leaving only widows and recluses as North America's "medically significant" spiders
Domestic honeybees actually kill far more people than hornets, including everywhere the giant "murder" hornet naturally occurs.
Wasps are only "less efficient" pollinators in that less pollen sticks to them per wasp. They are still absolutely critical pollinators and many flowers are pollinated by wasps exclusively.
Flies are also as important or more important to pollination than bees.
For "per insect" pollination efficiency it's now believed that moths also beat bees
Honeybees are non-native to most of the world and not great for the local ecosystem, they're just essential to us and our food industry
Getting a botfly is unpleasant and can become painful, but they aren't actually dangerous and they don't eat your flesh; they essentially push the flesh out of the way to create a chamber and they feed on fluids your immune system keeps making in response to the intrusion. They also keep this chamber free of bacterial infection because that would harm them too!
Botflies also exist in most parts of the world, but only one species specializes partially in humans (and primates in general, but can make do with a few other hosts)
"Kissing bugs" are a group of a couple unusual species of assassin bug. Only the kissing bugs evolved to feed on blood; other assassin bugs just eat other insects.
"Isn't it weird that [thing humans commonly eat] is poisonous to literally every domesticated animal" I mean, there's a pretty good chance that [thing humans commonly eat] is at least mildly poisonous to humans, too. One of our quirks as a species is that we think our food is bland if it doesn't have enough poison in it.
The organelles of the cells have been translated into human anatomy, so the nucleus is the brain, the vacuole function as the lungs, and the mitochondria is the heart since itâs the⊠you already know, I donât have to say it ;)