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[guardianssystem]

hi, so i saw a post where you said "science says endos exist" and i wanted to ask, how? are there papers/studies things like that proving endogenic is an origin that can actually happen? if so, do you have any links to them? or any other thing where "science said it" in some way?

(i'm really sorry if this came off as blunt or like i'm trying to argue, i'm bad at phrasing things sometimes but i'm actually just trying to eductate myself since for the longest time i thought it was unproven)

I gave a few examples in a thread on a post in response to a hateful anti-endo, but they dragged those resources saying they aren't real because they claim it is just an opinion and biased. The thing is, if people say they experience something we believe them because no one can define how each individual brain on this planet works. Science says the possibility is there.

And science is a record of observation and experiences so by that alone if people say they experience something we believe it. We are tired of seeing senseless hate towards other system origins because of people being stuck on science that is set to hurt systems as a whole. Plurality is the concept of being more than one in a body, not a disorder. Other reasons people give are "Oh, why does a brain that didn't experience trauma need to stay split for?" Maybe that person is born like that. Maybe their brain sees working in units better than working as one single "unit"

Like even computers run off multiple programs. The point is as a community we need to get off of senseless hate over origin because the singlets who think DID/OSDD aren't real think we all are faking, traumagenic or endogenic alike. And also, the concept of being plural for reasons other than trauma is not a new thing.

So please, I'm sleepy, it's early and my best bet to learn about endogenic systems and other origins is to talk to those who have those experiences instead of letting yourself be closed up because you keep hearing the anti-endo echo chamber crying about them.

Our spouse is a mixed origin system. That's why we will never hate or say other origins are not possible.

[guardianssystem]

Btw it's fine to sometimes get like. Relapses in your ability to communicate with your system members. Like you might want to figure out if anything specific caused it (like stress, illness, etc.) but generally speaking this just happens sometimes and it's not the end of the world so don't work yourself up too much over it. Especially considering that building communication is part of recovery for most disordered systems; it's normal to hit roadblocks or to experience relapses in your recovery from time-to-time. Don't panic if communicating with your system has become difficult or impossible recently. Take a deep breath, return to the basics of what helped you build that communication in the first place, and don't push yourself too far trying to get it back. Maybe it's burnout. Maybe you're going through a rough patch. Maybe you just need a break. Who knows? But working yourself up over it isn't going to help, so try to take things one step at a time. This just happens sometimes, so give yourself/ves patience when it does.

[guardianssystem]

reasons we are pro endo.

the first, and most important, is that i genuinely do not care what goes on in your head. system developed without trauma? ok. system developed with trauma? ok. system created on purpose? ok. more than one of these? ok. something more complicated? ok. i support you.

other reasons include that anti endo stuff seems to be very intertwined with fakeclaiming. i suppose not all of them do this, as there seems to be more than one way to be anti endo, but one way i see a lot is the very simple statement “endos actually don’t exist and all of them are faking”. of course, there are the other varieties, such as “endos are just traumatised and don’t know it” and “endos are delusional” (genuinely fuck off if you tell anyone that they’re delusional as an insult). probably some others that i’m missing. i also see these same people saying that they’re anti fakeclaiming, or having fakeclaimers in their dni. do they know? did they simply never think about what they are doing?

i don’t like fakeclaiming. i have trauma surrounding similar things to it. if someone fakeclaims me, i can shrug it off (mostly. there are some things that will trigger me.) but if someone fakeclaims someone else, that almost always triggers me. i cannot stand someone being fakeclaimed. there is an intrinsic pain in being told that you are lying, that your pain is not real, that what has been happening to you is just a lie and the product of a child’s overactive imagination, and i hate the idea of that happening to someone else, because *nobody deserves it*. it hurts to see that people hurt other people.

and telling people that they are traumatised will not do anything good. firstly, one is assuming that they haven’t already tried searching for their trauma. what if they have, and can either confirm that they do not have any, or that it is not intertwined with their systemhood? or what if they haven’t, and one’s pushing makes them unearth trauma that they were not ready for? this can cause actual harm. it has real consequences.

and telling people that they are delusional is a shitty move. firstly, having delusions is not something one can throw around to insult people with. it is a genuine condition and if someone is actually delusional, reality checking can cause them harm. and saying that someone is delusional just seems to be a roundabout way of telling someone that they’re faking. i actually do hate people who tell other people that they’re delusional. delusional people do not exist as a way for one to be an arse to other people. they are people who have a condition. delusions are not automatically evil, despite the fact that they have been demonised.

and endos do not exist to harm people, despite the beliefs of some. plurality/systemhood is not an exclusive club that only people with severe trauma can access. even though i could access this hypothetical club, i don’t want to be in it if it automatically excludes people. plenty of endos still have trauma even if it does not intertwine with their systemhood. this is to say nothing of mixed origin systems, who are always excluded from this discussion. if they are not purely born of trauma, then would they be prevented from accessing spaces for trauma survivors who are systems? i do think there should be spaces for trauma survivors, but saying that they need to be endo free is a bit assholish to those who are mixed origin systems.

those are my main reasons, among others.

-rant from a traumagenic system who is so tired of having to read about others being fakeclaimed.

[guardianssystem]

Woo there's going to be an AMA on the tulpas subreddit in May (date is being finalized but it'll be either the 2nd or 16th) by Dr. Michael Lifshitz who did the FMRI study and renowned anthropologist Dr. Tanya Lurhmann who did an informational interview with the study participants.

We are beyond psyched.

[guardianssystem]

(Oldest meaning how long they've been a system member. Best estimates are fine if you aren't sure.)

[guardianssystem]

Woo there's going to be an AMA on the tulpas subreddit in May (date is being finalized but it'll be either the 2nd or 16th) by Dr. Michael Lifshitz who did the FMRI study and renowned anthropologist Dr. Tanya Lurhmann who did an informational interview with the study participants.

We are beyond psyched.

[guardianssystem]

You're using "reclaim" wrongly.

It's come to my intention that anti-endos do not know what "reclaim" means, so let me explain. Reclaiming is the act of a group of people taking a word, phrase or term, etc., that was previously used against them in a negative way and then making it into something positive for themselves instead.

Examples include:

Queer

Faggot

Dyke

Tranny

Shi/hir (Prns for the intersex community)

Etc.! (I can say all these things and ofc anyone can say shi/hir but must be intersex to use them for themself, anyone can say queer)

You are not being insulted by or attacked by innocent lgbtq/mogai terms pro-endos have made that have literally nothing to do with you neither are being used against you, etc.

You cannot "reclaim" these. You can coin a term similar, but you're not reclaiming if you just repost these with new flags or something. You're genuinely just straight up stealing and it's not okay and it's not cute and it's harmful to misuse that word, acting like you have the right to do this. I haven't seen any pro-endos do this so maybe it's just ignorant anti-endos once again feeling the need to in any possible way shape or form harass pro-endogenics but if any pro-endos are doing this as well I also advise you to stop. Like literally please stop.

Stop misusing the word reclaim to defend stealing terms. You look like a fool and you are a thief. Anyways, anyone can use our terms or coin ones similar, but not stolen. I cannot make you, but hopefully if anyone actually cares about morals, anti-endo or whatever else, that they'll heed my words. Have a nice day everyone.

Reposts encouraged but not forced!

(Don't harass anybody doing this as well if you care about morals, you aren't helping, just inform them and move on, you cannot convince a fool to see sense by being a jerk yourself.)

[guardianssystem]

Perhaps a hot take?

Something I’ve been thinking about idk

I think a lot of systems think they are systems but are confusing it with kinning and/or character regression

:/

My hot take is the opposite: I think a lot of people think they're otherkin and are actually plural. (I mean, they could be both too. Not saying they're plural instead of kin.)

I particularly have my eyes on kinshifts.

Although more blatantly would be anyone who talks to their "kintypes." At the point you've established internal communication, those might be more than kintypes.

I don't know... I don't see a lot of cases of plurality that would be better explained by being otherkin, but I do see a lot of otherkin experiences described that could fall under the plural umbrella.

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THATS IT EVERYONE. TURNING MY SYSTEM INTO A FUCKING FANDOM. IF I COULD ANIMATE YOU BET YOUR ASS THERE'D BE A "out for love - altosys animatic" OF WILL AS CARMILLA AND BRITTANY AS VAGGIE, YOU BET YOUR ASS THERED BE ELECTRA ANGST, YOU BET YOUR GOSH DARN DIDDLY DAMNED BITCHASS THERE'S GONNA BE ANIMATION MEMES LIKE CIRCLETINE AND ALL THAT SHIT. YOU HAVE NO FUCKING IDEA BUT LIKE MY HAND WONT ART AND THE ART WONT DO THE THING AND NOW I HAVE TO SIT HERE WITH ALL OF THESE FUCKING MEMELORDS AND I CANT DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT TO LET OTHERS KNOW HOW WEIRD SHIT GETS. AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[guardianssystem]

Did I mention r/systemscringe doesn't believe in maladaptive daydreaming either?

To be fair, there is a tiny bit of truth here... Maladaptive Daydreaming didn't make it into the DSM-5. But the main reason is probably just a lack of research.

This was a disorder discovered and coined in 2002. The DSM-5 was published in 2013, only 11 years later. During that time, the disorder got little attention or funding. Research and awareness has since exploded.

Google Scholar shows only 54 results mentioning maladaptive daydreaming between 2002 and 2013.

In contrast, from 2013 to 2024, there are 791 results.

These are both 11-year spans!

Given this, I think there's a very good chance of Maladaptive Daydreaming being added to the DSM-6 when they eventually make one.

But... does it really matter if it's in the DSM yet?

Because there's something else one might notice in the DSM. In order to qualify, a mental disorder has to meet a certain definition.

The thing is, maladaptive daydreaming, even though it's not yet recognized as such in the DSM, does meet that definition if you listen to the people who suffer from it or the doctors researching it.

So yes, whether it's written in the DSM yet or not, maladaptive daydreaming IS a disorder!

[guardianssystem]

if you opened discord’s april fools day loot boxes how long did it take you to get all the items? it took my friend 18 boxes but me 65 and i want to see how bad my luck is

[guardianssystem]

petition for people to stop implying endogenic systems can't be traumatized.

a system being endogenic says nothing about their history with trauma other then it didn't cause their system

there isn't some magic barrier that stops endogenic systems from being traumatized, yes this includes ongoing and complex trauma because again endogenic just means trauma didn't cause the system not "has never experienced trauma"

-smile/Scarlet

[guardianssystem]

It's odd to see an older post of ours suddenly spark back up in popularity, but while the small amount of attention is on us we may as well direct it towards something positive.

Hi, if you're here from the Soulbonding post I'd like to ask you to take some time to think about and appreciate them and their contributions to the plural community! Without the Soulbonders many things taken for granted now may never of been brought about or occurred within the endogenic and wider plural space.

From having a significant role in early plural history to popularizing terms now seen as generally plural like the word fictive, soulbonders have offered the community a fair amount. Sadly, in return they've been almost wiped off the map, leading to situations like having their terms used as an attempted replacement for tulpamancy as we discussed during the tulpacourse drama last year.

If you'd like to learn more about Souldbonding, we just recently discovered this well made carrd by @the-soulbonded-teaparty which compiles an extensive list of history, terms, and resources on the matter. It could teach you more than we ever could so we highly suggest checking it out.

Syscourse is currently a mess right now, so we hope this little offering can make some people on this site think about what exactly this community is and should be, especially in regards to the communities that have been or are being brought under the plural umbrella. We find that many subcultures like Tulpamancy, Daemonism, and Soulbonding are not well understood or appreciated as their own independent groups and practices within this community, with Soulbonding being an especially egregious example.

The individual identities of each of these subcultures are important to us, and they each have something truly special to offer as both their own entities and as forms of plurality if they so choose to identify as such. Take some time to appreciate them, and for everyone reading this, have a good day.

[guardianssystem]

Reminder: there are not two equal sides to syscourse.

There is a hate group that attacks and bullies people for their neurodivergencies or spiritual beliefs. That denies all science and the opinions of literally every academic paper that's affirmed the existence of endogenic and non-disordered plurality.

And then there are the endogenic and mixed origin plurals who are fighting for our right just to exist without being harassed by said hate group.

[guardianssystem]

claiming endos exist is like claiming vaccines cause autism. a lot of people think it and claim to have 'evidence' for it, base it on their subjective experience rather than scientific consensus, are ableist, have communities online where they talk about how everyone else is clearly wrong, claim to know more than medical professionals and people affected by those things (systems/autistic people), have cherrypicked claims, arent verified by modern science, etc

[guardianssystem]

Continuing this little vent-fest of mine, I really hate how people will just... absorb whatever misinformation they hear about DID. Like, sure, I get it, you want to believe the person who has the stigmatized disorder when they talk about it. But sometimes people with the disorder are just fucking wrong, too. Sometimes we also need to unlearn our biases, incorrect assumptions, and ideas that sound right but actually aren't. We're not a perfectly unbiased group. We're not granted omnipresence about every presentation and facet of our disorder.

And it frustrates me so much because it's always framed as though the people correcting the misinformation are evil, ableist bigots. As if we're the problem and not trying to handle a situation before it gets out of hand and people get hurt. They'll always absorb the misinformation because the person spreading it has DID but anyone fucking correcting it is "clocked" as a faker lying for unspecified malicious reasons. Omfg. Grow the fuck up and admit that you just uncritically absorbed the first thing you heard about whatever aspect of the disorder we're talking about this time. Grow the fuck up and accept that DID is complex and involves a lot of phenomena that might sound far-fetched at first. Especially when it comes to the complex ways we might be traumatized and show the effects of our trauma, are you kidding me. You are not immune to misinformation. You are not immune to exclusionism. You are not immune to hurting people in the name of protecting them.

I did eventually end up reaching out to the person who reblogged that post calling a specific subset of systems, as well as a specific form of abuse, a conspiracy theory. No word back as of yet. But I'm going to try to let it go and focus on my own projects for right now, because that is a ball of yarn I am not going to untangle overnight, but I can at least start sharpening the scissors for someone else to cut through it one day. Confrontation is not my strong suit, and I'm tired of being treated like shit for trying to correct misinformation about the disorder I work to destigmatize. Best to focus my efforts elsewhere.

If you've dealt with this kind of thing, seen this kind of post where people will spread the most obviously incorrect shit because they don't want to accept all the complexities and unusualities of DID, my heart goes out to you. It sucks. But I refuse to believe that it's going to be this way forever. No matter how fruitless it may seem, we are making headway in awareness, understanding, and acceptance. Some asshats who want to stick their head in the sand and only accept the most simplified, sanitized version of this messy and varied disorder are not going to stop us from making a place in the world for ourselves.

Keep your head high and your mind open. We're gonna make it through this shit.

[guardianssystem]

r/systemscringe fools still think all voices in DID are bad. 😔

Now, I posted this in my big debunking post of r/systemscringe's lies about DID, but it bears repeating... Studies have shown that nearly 70% of voice hearers with DID report that they would miss the voices if they stopped. This is compared with much lower margins for schizophrenic groups:

Now, it is absolutely valid if you're a system who just hates all aspects of being a system, including hearing the voices of your alters.

After all, nearly 30% of DID patients in this study did, which is still a pretty huge number. It's a big minority.

But this is not everyone. This is not the majority.

Just because you experience something a certain way, that doesn't mean everyone will!

And having a good relationship with your alters isn't a sign of faking!