guardianssystem

[guardianssystem]

they put me in a CUBICLE. i'm a STAR. i'm a GOD. in my prime i could topple civilizations with a solar flare just by THINKING ABOUT IT. and they have me working in a CUBICLE. i'm so tired of mortal life.

[guardianssystem]

I feel like we should normalize more "uncommon" gear in the alterhuman comunity. For example my dream gear is having cat claw nails and permanent fangs. Gear isn´t only paws, ears, masks and tail. Although I do love my tail and it makes me feel euforic and all but I would love to have more unique gear (eventhough it is hard to get for me), or for example gear to resemble avians, ungulates, fish etc. I would love to see more

[guardianssystem]

#sophiecourse

I debated sending you this ask because I was worried you'd come off as defensive. Please note I am on anon not out of malicious intent, but because I am nervous of how you may respond to this. I just wanted to say your defense of "white Germans who supported Hitler" makes me extremely uncomfortable as a follower. I know we all hate Sophie, but I am struggling to understand how you don't realize that defense is defending Nazis. I don't think that was your intention, but seeing you double down on this after even after other systems who have personal experience with the subject have publicly voiced their discomfort is disheartening.

Hi :)

1) Hitler, Nazis, and Trump are bad. We are in solid agreement on that, however we were discussing a rather specific case of white germans who supported Hitler, in his rise to power before he started commiting genocide, and going to war with half the world, when his promises were very similar to Trump, about restoring Germany in a time of great need. We'll explain our points in detail below, why we discussed it, what we think about it, and Sophie.

2) Sophie translated "white germans" to "nazis". Not every white german, was a Nazi.

Not sure why we even need to discuss that but that bit is, fairly clear we'd hope.

Not every white german was a racist, but many were tired of a very bad period of time caused by WW1. That is a whole different story, however. Many were not necessarily in agreement with Hitler's ideas on minorities, but what he did do was bring the country out of an economic and political rut, with things like the Autobahn. Some, like a person we'll discuss later, were early supporters of Hitler and then changed their stances later and discussed their guilt over it. They agreed with Hitler's ideas of rebuilding Germany, and restoring the country to it's former glory etc. We never quite understood nationalist ideals, but many people feel tied to and devoted to their country, and so in that manner, we're sure someone understands the feeling. These are the white germans we refer to because they wanted better lives, and unfortunately, it is very human to not care what is happening to someone else, as long as you are okay. Things like the death camps were not more than rumors.

The quote we mention to most accurately describe it, is from Pastor Martin Niemoller (who does have some level of controversy around him, but his quote/poem is the most famous), which goes along the lines of "first they came for the communists, and I did not speak out for I was not a communist", and then it continues, as the Nazi regime came for more and more groups. It ended with, then they came for me, and there was no one left to speak for me.

Martin began speaking out against the Nazi party, their attempts to control the church, and their other questionable actions, but by then it was too late, he was sent to a concentration camp, before the war even really started.

He didn't speak up because at the time, all he was going to get were benefits, and by the time he did speak up and realize how wrong he was, how dangerous Hitler was, and that Hitler didn't really mean great Germany, but racist Aryan Germany, it was far too late. It is very similar to the Republicans and MAGA right now that are opposed to Trump's tariffs and bombing in Iran. (Unless their stance has changed again, the news updates quite quickly)

That is how many people think, however shitty, however stupid, it is a very common thinking style. "It's not my issue, and it's not affecting me. Why should I care?" Many people are starting to get the warning bells and wake up to the fact that Trump is a lying bastard and had no intention of "America First." But its too late for them, and it was too late for the people who didn't speak up then too.

Not even getting into how much misinformation there is in right-wing media that fuels these insane ideas about what the world is like, but that is another different story again.

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An extra note, and something we saw multiple people discussing in regards to "MAGA deserve PTSD," is Sophie does not seem to have a very wide or varied point of view. She's often spoken over POC as we've heard others say numerous times (though we do not have context), and does not seem to realize the degree of misinformation fed to MAGA, and Republicans in general. Our grandparents who we thankfully don't have much contact with, are Puerto Rican, and could easily be picked up on the street by ICE despite being born in the US, their parents from what we know grew up in times with severe racism, from the US government and citizens, so why would these 80 year old puerto ricans believe in Trump, deporting and saying racist remarks about puerto ricans? (Another thing we have heard said, but do not have an exact context) We honestly don't know the answer, but we do know that republicans and MAGA in the US have been fed so much misinformation that we're not sure what they believe is real and what isn't. Sophie has grown up without seeming to experience many of these things, and frankly , is not in a position to discuss topics about POC in general, let alone speak over. We didn't feel this warranted its own post, but we couldn't quite figure out how to cohesively discuss it among our other points.

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3) A Nazi is a Nazi. We don't defend Nazis, and in fact we mildly despise people who didn't care enough to try and speak up earlier on, we've never been someone to not speak up, and to stand down from a fight that we feel is needed, such as human rights and not bashing communists because the government says we should. There is a difference between Nazis and early supporters of Hitler, however. As we talked about above.

That argument was not in defense of the ones who truly did believe in racist Aryan Utopia, or who genuinely believe Trump and can do no wrong, and just want to beat up American citizens dressed as ICE agents. Just to explain that humanity is not simple black and white, and when someone promises they will make something better, they tend to believe it, even if it is obviously a lie. Some people just want to get caught up in the nice lies and ignore the nasty truths, not just in politics.

4) We've never expressed hate for Sophie. In fact, hatred for a specific group of people is the entire reason she has gone down this rabbit hole of facist rhetoric. We can hate the things she's done and said, but unfortunately, hating her leads to a spiral of the same pattern of thinking. We would hope that no one feels that they genuinely hate her, or it will continue to spiral and eventually the people that are telling her she's wrong, are the ones who will begin spiraling out of control into the same rhetoric she is.

5) And likely our final point of this, white germans, americans, whatever they are in the current regime, who do support Trump or Hitler or whatever dictator, and then do try to fix it, and do feel guilt, aren't people we intend to be around. As many of the general targeted minorities, and someone who has been targeted for being some of those minorities, from POC, to disabled, autistic, queer, communist, anarchist, etc. we would never want to be around some who actively tried to opress us, even if they changed, and tried to make up for their actions. But that does not mean Sophie's wish to rain PTSD upon anyone who ever supported Trump is one that is valid, healthy, humane, or right in any manner. PTSD is not something that anyone deserves, and it is not going to rid the world of fascism.

The summary being, Sophie was wrong and is acting in the manner of bigots. White german is not synonymous with Nazi. We do not wish to be around anyone who was pro Nazi or Trump and reformed, even if they attempt to do good. People can vote for Trump and still try to make amends. Voting for Trump does not make them people who deserve the pain and suffering of PTSD, and that line of thinking is the same path that lead to things like Trump in the first place.

We've rewritten this a few times now and we're not entirely happy with it as we'd like to have more clarification on quotes from people, and in general posting can become difficult between switches, memory gaps and dyslexia. So we do apologize for no further explanation earlier on. However, we did not entirely believe Sophie was worth the energy of this entire description, alongside our other points. Especially as she has made no attempts to be better, or listen to anyone.

-V

[guardianssystem]

I wonder if it would be useful to create a term to describe people who are trying to restrict the word system to being medical. Hmm...

[guardianssystem]

Hi, disordered traumagenic system here o/

The first use of "system" is actually in internal family systems, and alongside that "system" was used in reference to all types of plurality

"In a sense, we are all multiple personalities. The condition we call multiple personality disorder only represents an extremely disengaged and polarized version of the ordinary operation of our internal system" -Schwarz, in first usage of system

"Parts" has never belonged to CDD systems, ever. "Multiple/Multiplicity" has been used to refer to non-traumagenic and non-disordered plurality since Multiple Personality Disorder, too.

-Tim

Plural/Plurality: a general term for anyone who experiences more than one ppl sharing a body/more than one consciousness within a body or mind.

System: a MEDICAL term, used to refer to plurality caused by dissociative disorders/trauma. Other medical terms include things like Alter, Parts, Multiplicity, Multiple, etc. You CANNOT be a SYSTEM without trauma. period. I don't actually care how you define your plural origin or whatever, but a SYSTEM is a very specific thing, with a very specific meaning. Stop co-opting medical terminology for whatever thing yall have going on. If you're not traumagenic it's not hard to use other terms, and stop trying to co-opt our terminology and come into our spaces. its not hard

[guardianssystem]

The thing about making things CDD exclusive is that you first have to define what counts as someone with a CDD. Because in the eyes of most people who are trying to define things as CDD exclusive... we don't have a CDD. And they will find some reason or another. You don't hate your system? You can control switches? You have good communication? Well you're not like me so you can't have a CDD. Even if you were to wave a diagnosis in front of my face we wouldn't believe it.

And don't get us wrong we get the need for CDD exclusive spaces and support them but boy do they scare us when we see them. Because we are expected to be booted out the door the second we enter for some excuse or another why we can't have a CDD. We are still getting used to using the word "system" again after being used to being dogpiled every time we used it because it's CDD exclusive and in there mind we don't have a CDD.

We respect the conversation but it terrifies us due to how many CDD systems are going to be excluded in the process. And I get in a perfect world if something is CDD exclusive than ALL CDD systems(at least who follow any rules of the space and whatnot) should be accepted but unfortunately we don't live in that world. We live in a world where when something becomes exclusive it's an excuse to push people you don't like out whether or not they belong there.

[guardianssystem]

Indulging in innocent pleasures is really divine for me. Like, yes, eating a fruit salad while reading a wholesome book and wrapped in my white fluffly blanket. Yes. This is how the ancient gods spend their eternity.

[guardianssystem]

Haha yeah we figured already. Thanks though :)

Hello!

I'm doing linguistic research about syscourse on tumblr, so I've been looking through recent posts in the "syscourse" tag to find data. I saw your blog got an ask recently that mentioned "BIIG" and I was wondering if you wouldn't mind explaining what that is and the connection to plurality or systemhood?

I'm asking a few different blogs in the hopes I can get a well-rounded understanding of terms being used!

We assume you mean BIID? We think it stands for Body Integrity Identity Disorder? We don't know much about it, you'd be better asking somebody else :) But the ask is from an anti-created systems anonymous person who's been going through syscourse accounts sending a ton of different bullshit anonymously, probably a troll. We don't know if BIID even has a relation to systemhood at all. It might but, again you'd have to ask somebody else.

-Sondra

[guardianssystem]

Again, what?

If you're not educated on the subject, you shouldn't be talking about it. We don't know much about BIID, but we know those who do, so we recommended asking somebody else. Which they've been doing without issue. Why is that a problem?

Hello!

I'm doing linguistic research about syscourse on tumblr, so I've been looking through recent posts in the "syscourse" tag to find data. I saw your blog got an ask recently that mentioned "BIIG" and I was wondering if you wouldn't mind explaining what that is and the connection to plurality or systemhood?

I'm asking a few different blogs in the hopes I can get a well-rounded understanding of terms being used!

We assume you mean BIID? We think it stands for Body Integrity Identity Disorder? We don't know much about it, you'd be better asking somebody else :) But the ask is from an anti-created systems anonymous person who's been going through syscourse accounts sending a ton of different bullshit anonymously, probably a troll. We don't know if BIID even has a relation to systemhood at all. It might but, again you'd have to ask somebody else.

-Sondra

[guardianssystem]

....what?

Hello!

I'm doing linguistic research about syscourse on tumblr, so I've been looking through recent posts in the "syscourse" tag to find data. I saw your blog got an ask recently that mentioned "BIIG" and I was wondering if you wouldn't mind explaining what that is and the connection to plurality or systemhood?

I'm asking a few different blogs in the hopes I can get a well-rounded understanding of terms being used!

We assume you mean BIID? We think it stands for Body Integrity Identity Disorder? We don't know much about it, you'd be better asking somebody else :) But the ask is from an anti-created systems anonymous person who's been going through syscourse accounts sending a ton of different bullshit anonymously, probably a troll. We don't know if BIID even has a relation to systemhood at all. It might but, again you'd have to ask somebody else.

-Sondra

[guardianssystem]

Hello!

I'm doing linguistic research about syscourse on tumblr, so I've been looking through recent posts in the "syscourse" tag to find data. I saw your blog got an ask recently that mentioned "BIIG" and I was wondering if you wouldn't mind explaining what that is and the connection to plurality or systemhood?

I'm asking a few different blogs in the hopes I can get a well-rounded understanding of terms being used!

We assume you mean BIID? We think it stands for Body Integrity Identity Disorder? We don't know much about it, you'd be better asking somebody else :) But the ask is from an anti-created systems anonymous person who's been going through syscourse accounts sending a ton of different bullshit anonymously, probably a troll. We don't know if BIID even has a relation to systemhood at all. It might but, again you'd have to ask somebody else.

-Sondra

[guardianssystem]

There actually aren’t any credible sources you listed that prove created plurality or it being around any longer than they actually have (a little over 3 years)

Your ableist tears will quench me nicely. Your attempt at revisionist history is pathetic and ultimately useless. We know the truth

So poetic 😭

Except we didn't actually list anything..

[guardianssystem]

Hey just a reminder that “willogenic, Tulpamancy” is not part of the plural community. There is only evidence against them, and they are products of BIID.

Created “plurals” need therapy

Haha, we finally got one. Took you long enough.

Willogenic, Tulpamancy, and other created systems will always be valid, and a part of the plural community.

And also, fuck off lol. This is old and boring.

The funny thing is, this is because of our post about our document, our document with links to plural history that includes parts about how long created systems have been in the plural space.

-Crimson

[guardianssystem]

Hello systems, plurals, and multiples of all kinds!

We're looking for some interesting resources, information, and links to add to our document!

This doesn't have to be just scientific studies/research on endogenic and non-traumagenic systems!

We're looking for anything system-related of any kind that you find interesting. An article, some history, a blog post, a book, a study, an FAQ. Traumagenic, endogenic, willogenic, Tulpamancy, spiritual, psychological. Functional/healthy multiplicity, dissociation, disordered and non-disordered plurality, trauma, other disorders, alter/system types.

Dictionaries are great! Guides are great too! Explanations, videos, plural media recommendations (books/movies/shows/games), apps, a list of links that somebody else had made, anything.

If you think you have something to share, but it might be a bit too off-topic, share it anyway! Maybe there's a place for it somewhere :)

The document will still be focused on endogenic research and some information for the most part. But you never know what might help :)

Feel free to share around!

[guardianssystem]

Haha, this is the person we responded to using sources and quotes from professionals

They blocked us instantly, and ranted about it both in the comments and in new posts on their blog.

heartbreaking: someone learns about the consequences of their own actions (tagging a post with syscourse and getting mad when syscoursers interact)

(also yikes not the "endo systems are faking did" narrative in 2025. AND WHAT DID PEOPLE WITH DELUSIONS DO TO CATCH STRAYS HERE???)

[guardianssystem]

I finally looked at that soulbonding strawpage so it's time to disprove it. Feel free to link this if this discourse ever comes up over there I don't really care

This is also highlights why you really shouldn't trust anything presenting itself as an informational resource that doesn't have sources. Don't worry everyone, I spent way too long going through websites that were made for a monitor the size of a shoebox to get them

so the reason is moreso that the term system wasn't known to the soulbonding community at the time and it's a case of two separately developed communities. Think like otherkin and therian developed separately but started to share terms later.

Unfortunately, LiveJournal was being a bitch, and the soulbonding LJ was not archived well. Thankfully I did find a mirror that let me search, and here are the earliest results.

The most blatant one is sourced 08.07.03: "(I have SoulBonds, and one could say I'm part of a multiple-ish system. It's *not* DID, though. I guess most of you know about empowered multiplicity and SBing anyway.)"

You can find a lot more references to soulbonds as systems from around this time too! and nothing really saying they aren't systems (even in early accounts of discourse).

You also have this essay, likely from around that time, that discusses directly this combining between soulbonding and multiplicity.

"If you look through the annals of history, you'll notice that much of the soulbonding community thought itself very far removed from plurality, and the multiple community out there didn't even address soulbonding at all. Recently, all of this has been changing very quickly. Now, you don't have to look very hard to find multiple systems who admit to soulbonding, or soulbonders who have acknowledged themselves as multiple."

(Also "Hopefully in a year or two, we'll be writing another essay called 'Our Thoughts on the New Friendship Between the Multiple and Soulbonding Communities.'" BUDDY I AM SORRY-)

I also actually found a comment on Psych Forums, a DID community, that discusses soulbonds in 2010 and having soulbonds with alters, which was very interesting.

But anyway either way it seems like when soulbonders learned about the term system and multiple, they started using it.

Similar to what happened with fictive actually but that's a whole other topic to explain.

I wasn't going to acknowledge this because I don't know fuck all about tulpamancy, but stuff about the overlap kept coming up in other sources so here you go.

From Soul Whispers in at least 2004 (context being a semi-conscious creation element to soulbonding): "This theory also has its own basis in ancient spiritualities; there is a belief in some Eastern religions, such as Tibetan Buddhism, that people can create and shape "thought-forms" that take on a spirit-realm life of their own as animals, mythological creatures, or other people."

From Living Library in 2015: "Still other soulbonders deliberately set out to create a soulbond (which often overlaps to some degree with tulpamancy, the practice of deliberately creating new consciousnesses as mental companions)"

So like there is a known overlap, but I couldn't give you anything super insightful on that.

Not inherently, no. This personal essay from Soul Whispers earliest archived in 2004 points out how complicated soulbond theories are, acknowledges psychological theories ("One theory that once used to be popular, and probably originated from the old Multiple Personality Disorder idea (or else was just suggested because it seems simple and obvious), is that a SoulBond is just you personifying a part of you which you refuse to acknowledge or which might need an outlet"). While it acknowledges the multiverse theory, it also concludes with an imaginary-created world turned real theory against the multiverse theory.

This essay from 2000 also highlights the early writer/muse focus that the community has.

The spiritual-focused view was popularized by From Fiction. I don't have a source beyond "system joined the soulbonding community in 2016", but if you look up anything from them, it is very spirituality/multi-verse focused, and that can also be seen with their fictionkin stuff.

If you want a newer example, Living Library's site from 2015 directly acknowledges this: "Some soulbonders see soulbonding in a psychological light, whether by considering their soulbonds aspects of their own personality or as conscious psychological entities like themselves."

Also from experience, some of it came from other systems seeing the term and assuming soul = spiritual.

You can see the above essays and sources to see that that's not a universal view that all soulbonders have. Actually a few of those acknowledge the view that soulbonds might be a part of the host.

Though that is true that soulbonds can be anything!

This is another yes and no thing. If you're coming at this from a strictly multiverse view, yeah, but again not all soulbonders view it like that.

It can also get a little muddy if you have a soulbond who doesn't really acknowledge you as a headmate (i.e. seeing you as just a headvoice on their end).

From what I've seen personally, the divination thing is relatively new in the community, and I think came from the overlap with reality shifting and that bringing in more spiritual beliefs? At least looking through the LiveJournal archive I couldn't find jack shit for divination and soulbonding.

Interestingly I also see this a lot more with the self shipping overlap, which seems to be reinforced by the StrawPage including links for that, but I don't know anything about self shipping culture or yumeship.

Likewise this is genuinely the first time I've seen it compared to deity worship.

I have seen it compared to pop culture paganism sometimes, but from our experiences having some spiritual soulbonds and pop culture deities... not really? I can kind of see it though? But I wouldn't say it as a universal thing. Cool if you experience it like that though!

Anyway all that aside, the only other terms they have being like self shipping focused is a little annoying, especially since soulbonding actually does have a lot of interesting terms that's developed within it

[guardianssystem]

I finally looked at that soulbonding strawpage so it's time to disprove it. Feel free to link this if this discourse ever comes up over there I don't really care

This is also highlights why you really shouldn't trust anything presenting itself as an informational resource that doesn't have sources. Don't worry everyone, I spent way too long going through websites that were made for a monitor the size of a shoebox to get them

so the reason is moreso that the term system wasn't known to the soulbonding community at the time and it's a case of two separately developed communities. Think like otherkin and therian developed separately but started to share terms later.

Unfortunately, LiveJournal was being a bitch, and the soulbonding LJ was not archived well. Thankfully I did find a mirror that let me search, and here are the earliest results.

The most blatant one is sourced 08.07.03: "(I have SoulBonds, and one could say I'm part of a multiple-ish system. It's *not* DID, though. I guess most of you know about empowered multiplicity and SBing anyway.)"

You can find a lot more references to soulbonds as systems from around this time too! and nothing really saying they aren't systems (even in early accounts of discourse).

You also have this essay, likely from around that time, that discusses directly this combining between soulbonding and multiplicity.

"If you look through the annals of history, you'll notice that much of the soulbonding community thought itself very far removed from plurality, and the multiple community out there didn't even address soulbonding at all. Recently, all of this has been changing very quickly. Now, you don't have to look very hard to find multiple systems who admit to soulbonding, or soulbonders who have acknowledged themselves as multiple."

(Also "Hopefully in a year or two, we'll be writing another essay called 'Our Thoughts on the New Friendship Between the Multiple and Soulbonding Communities.'" BUDDY I AM SORRY-)

I also actually found a comment on Psych Forums, a DID community, that discusses soulbonds in 2010 and having soulbonds with alters, which was very interesting.

But anyway either way it seems like when soulbonders learned about the term system and multiple, they started using it.

Similar to what happened with fictive actually but that's a whole other topic to explain.

I wasn't going to acknowledge this because I don't know fuck all about tulpamancy, but stuff about the overlap kept coming up in other sources so here you go.

From Soul Whispers in at least 2004 (context being a semi-conscious creation element to soulbonding): "This theory also has its own basis in ancient spiritualities; there is a belief in some Eastern religions, such as Tibetan Buddhism, that people can create and shape "thought-forms" that take on a spirit-realm life of their own as animals, mythological creatures, or other people."

From Living Library in 2015: "Still other soulbonders deliberately set out to create a soulbond (which often overlaps to some degree with tulpamancy, the practice of deliberately creating new consciousnesses as mental companions)"

So like there is a known overlap, but I couldn't give you anything super insightful on that.

Not inherently, no. This personal essay from Soul Whispers earliest archived in 2004 points out how complicated soulbond theories are, acknowledges psychological theories ("One theory that once used to be popular, and probably originated from the old Multiple Personality Disorder idea (or else was just suggested because it seems simple and obvious), is that a SoulBond is just you personifying a part of you which you refuse to acknowledge or which might need an outlet"). While it acknowledges the multiverse theory, it also concludes with an imaginary-created world turned real theory against the multiverse theory.

This essay from 2000 also highlights the early writer/muse focus that the community has.

The spiritual-focused view was popularized by From Fiction. I don't have a source beyond "system joined the soulbonding community in 2016", but if you look up anything from them, it is very spirituality/multi-verse focused, and that can also be seen with their fictionkin stuff.

If you want a newer example, Living Library's site from 2015 directly acknowledges this: "Some soulbonders see soulbonding in a psychological light, whether by considering their soulbonds aspects of their own personality or as conscious psychological entities like themselves."

Also from experience, some of it came from other systems seeing the term and assuming soul = spiritual.

You can see the above essays and sources to see that that's not a universal view that all soulbonders have. Actually a few of those acknowledge the view that soulbonds might be a part of the host.

Though that is true that soulbonds can be anything!

This is another yes and no thing. If you're coming at this from a strictly multiverse view, yeah, but again not all soulbonders view it like that.

It can also get a little muddy if you have a soulbond who doesn't really acknowledge you as a headmate (i.e. seeing you as just a headvoice on their end).

From what I've seen personally, the divination thing is relatively new in the community, and I think came from the overlap with reality shifting and that bringing in more spiritual beliefs? At least looking through the LiveJournal archive I couldn't find jack shit for divination and soulbonding.

Interestingly I also see this a lot more with the self shipping overlap, which seems to be reinforced by the StrawPage including links for that, but I don't know anything about self shipping culture or yumeship.

Likewise this is genuinely the first time I've seen it compared to deity worship.

I have seen it compared to pop culture paganism sometimes, but from our experiences having some spiritual soulbonds and pop culture deities... not really? I can kind of see it though? But I wouldn't say it as a universal thing. Cool if you experience it like that though!

Anyway all that aside, the only other terms they have being like self shipping focused is a little annoying, especially since soulbonding actually does have a lot of interesting terms that's developed within it