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100%. Hermione would have told him in exacting detail what he did wrong.

What's Harry gonna say, without resorting to lying? "I was really mad when he covered for our occlumency lessons by calling them remedial potions, and felt entitled to know what Snape didn't want to share with me, and thought I'd have enough time to snoop, what with him going to assist an injured student."

it's frustrating to me how harry completely violating snape's privacy and his trust is never addressed after 'snape's worst memory'. everytime snape used the pensieve, he took out his memories right in front of harry. he never hid it. and when he left the room, you know he never thought harry would look inside it when he left, because if he did, he would have hid it away. it doesn't take a lot for snape to think the worst of harry, but even he didn't think harry would do that. and we damn sure don't get any acknowledgement from sirius or lupin realising that snape has a very valid reason not to continue teaching him even if it was vital. as far as im concerned, there's a reason harry never tells ron or hermione, mainly hermione and it's not because snape swore him not too, and not even just because of him not wanting them to think less of his father. it's because he would have been chastisted to kingdom come because his misery at the truth is 100% his fault. didn't like what you saw? shouldn't have stuck your head in there in the first place.

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In addition, Snape might see perfectly well how he's being manipulated and used, but can deal with it as long as it's for a purpose he agrees with. Harry being kept safe only to be killed at the right moment is definitely not what he agreed to.

i love how snape said “you have been raising him like a pig for slaughter.” my brother in christ, dumbledore literally raised you for slaughter, why in the fresh hell are you surprised —

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Because that's what lets people imagine Harry could be a decent potioneer for the sake of Super!Harry shenanigans, despite all evidence suggesting that Harry can only succeed when he follows someone else's instructions to the letter, and that Snape's standards (Outstanding students only) had to be ignored to accommodate Harry getting in NEWT classes.

Harry can't just have a weak spot, he has to amazing at everything and if he's not, obviously someone is holding him back! /s

Why do people (Snaters) say Snape didn’t teach. Saying all he did was write the stuff on the board and left them to it?  Slughorn taught exactly the same way. Tell them what page to turn to and get on with it.

They both told them what they were making, and left them to it, occasionally walking around to check on their work. But what do people actually expect him to do?

I mean, it was like a cookery class at school, or The Great British Bake off, you followed the instructions carefully, got on with it, the teacher or presenter, sometimes browsing around the room checking on progress. and if you had a question you asked Cookery classes may have changed these days, but when I was at school (shock, in the 90s) that’s how it was.

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So they're saying it's a teen girl's fault, when a guy lifts up her dress, for not wearing trousers under.

Inescapably, that's what they're saying by blaming teen Snape for not wearing trousers. And like, literally it's normal for wizards not to, just as with dresses, but even if it wasn't - it doesn't give people the right to strip them nonconsensually just because it might not show underwear!

They're also saying it's the muggle victims' own faults, when the Death Eaters used levicorpus on them in GoF.

This fucker on tiktok comment section talking about "well it's not James's fault that Snape chose not to wear trousers under his robes so no it wasn't sa" of course it wasn't James's fault! It was the school's fault, or the magical society's because TROUSERS WERE NOT A PART OF THE HOGWARTS UNIFORM. Guess Snape could've worn them under his robes anyway if he didn't want to be exposed in front of a crowd but I really hope no one thinks that.

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They're babbling whatever nonsense proves a useful distraction, obviously.

I'm gonna argue for fun that if he had defected after the two older Potters died, then he defected exclusively because he felt remorse for Harry's sake :P and Lily never factored in, live or dead. But both Albus and Snape figured a child of the Potters would never be capable of understanding caring about a third party you're not related to or friends with, given his blood, and concocted some bullshit.

Harry Potter fans, at least the Snape haters (although it seems to be spreading), have a real problem with timelines.

No, Snape did not defect after Lily and James died.

What the hell would he have been doing on the hilltop asking for them to be saved in that case? Hoping he could get away with a little light necromancy?

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I've thankfully seen people point out Merope is a rapist many times before in fan spaces, though a lot of fanfics seem to have not caught on that Tom Riddle Sr had no obligation to stay with Merope or Jr. Which sucks, but might not necessarily be a lack of recognition that he was a victim ... because I've seen a lot of people demonize cis women/other pregnancy-capable folks, for not wanting children conceived by rape.

But you're not wrong that people minimize rape/sexual assault against men - which probably plays a part in the way some people seem to view Tom Sr.

Unpopular opinion: I am realizing that the Harry Potter fandom villains the fact that Voldemort's father, Mr. Tom Riddle, has abandoned the mother.

But he had no obligation to stay since he was drugged and raped to have a son who is Voldemort.

He is the victim of this whole situation, not Marope Gaunt, let's stop minimizing male suffering, It not only applies to this situation but also to Severus Snape, that character who was sexually assaulted by James Potter and whose suffering is also minimized.

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Snape lurks in the shadows waiting for the perfect opportunity to startle people

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Ah, I had forgotten that passage - perhaps because it doesn't make much sense. It's a critical plot point that Snape didn't hear the whole thing, while Trelawney is seemingly not aware whenever she gives a prophecy, but if he's still there when Trelawney regains awareness, that's just weird that he didn't hear, since prophecies are rendered as if they're being shouted. Maybe he was actually spotted before Trelawney started prophesying, then, and dragged out rapidly as the prophecy happened.

Still, Aberforth may have thrown Snape out quite shortly after the interruption even if it was after, or Snape might have refused to answer any questions and been thrown out. It's not like he legally has to cooperate with Albus, or is defenseless against legilimency. Albus could try to obliviate him if Snape refuses to be questioned, but there's no guarantee Albus could respond faster than 20 year old Snape, and there'd be no point in recounting a failed chase/failed questioning.

guys...why did dumbledore not immediately go after snape when he was listening at the door when sybil said the prophecy? he must have known what snape was doing? i have never understood why dumbledore didn't stop him relaying the info to voldemort. or at the very least question him to find out what he had heard?

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What makes you certain there was an opportunity for Dumbledore to go after Snape?

From Albus' account, Snape was tossed out of the building mid-prophecy, while Albus had been around to hear the full prophecy. Most likely, Aberforth was the one who threw Snape out of the Hog's Head, and Snape might well have apparated to Voldemort immediately after getting tossed out.

Hell, they might not have even known who was the eavesdropper until looking in a pensieve, depending on how fast it happened, the lighting, etc. Or Albus might not have known anyone was eavesdropping until being told by Aberforth. The way prophecies are narrated in HP, they'd dominate anybody's attention if someone delivered a prophecy right next to you.

And it's not like Albus or Aberforth are in the prime of their lives, like Snape was, even if they did have the time to catch him.

guys...why did dumbledore not immediately go after snape when he was listening at the door when sybil said the prophecy? he must have known what snape was doing? i have never understood why dumbledore didn't stop him relaying the info to voldemort. or at the very least question him to find out what he had heard?

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I wasn't skeptical of that. I was saying people would likely feel different about it if four guys at their own school made a device to track everyone's movements to the same degree of accuracy as the Marauders' Map, and said guys did it just to make it easier to mess with people.

Some snaters consider that the marauder's map is not a big deal, and that it does not invade privacy.

The fact that you cannot see what the subject is doing on the map does not mean that it is less serious.

If they were seeing them with a map to make "jokes" they will not like it.

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teen Severus: say something that gives me the will to live.

teen Lily: do you really want Potter to outlive you?

Severus, jumping up: FUCK NO!

p.s. Lily lives au

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Severus: I think I'm having a mid-life crisis.

Lily: You're like 15 years old

Severus: I MIGHT DIE AT 30!

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I doubt anyone trying to make excuses for the map, would be/would have been comfortable with 4 random kids at their school making a program to track the phones of all classmates and staff, 24-7.

Some snaters consider that the marauder's map is not a big deal, and that it does not invade privacy.

The fact that you cannot see what the subject is doing on the map does not mean that it is less serious.

If they were seeing them with a map to make "jokes" they will not like it.

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I think part of the reason that happens is that there is a lot of disdain for OCs, and they're held to much stricter standards. Functionally, a character who has two or three traits in canon and the rest is filled in, isn't different from an OC in any ways that matter (at least on the writer's end), but people don't give you anywhere near as much shit for it.

I have never met a marauders fan that actually, genuinely like the marauders, and none of them can admit to it either. Like how can you claim to love this group but whitewash them down to perfection? You can’t make up entirely different personalities for each of them and then say they’re your favorite character, it doesn’t make sense?

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Snape: *addressing the Slytherins* If you have any suggestions feel free to put them in the suggestion box.

Greg: Professor, that's a trashcan.

Snape: It sure is!

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Mugger: Give me your money!

Snape: You have just triggered my flight or fight response and I am a flightless bird.

[Snape proceeds to bite the mugger]

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I find one of the saddest lines in the book is one no one remembers or talks off.

‘But we’re going!’ he said, unable to suppress the exhilaration in his voice. ‘This is it! We’re off to Hogwarts!’

Snape was SO excited to be going to Hogwarts. Where he thought his life would be better, away from his abusive father and neglectful mother. He thought he was going to a safe place where he'd make friends and be happy.

This is the only time we see Snape excited and where he was unbelievably happy, for a heartbeat. 😔 😔