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Fuck it. I'm releasing it. Since everything got said or almost. Pretty much easy I think. Also, the free space : if you've paid attention to his body language, when he's uncomfortable, he rubs his hands on his thighs ...

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Not only wasn't she at the premiere (you know, flights are scary) but she didn't even comment on his latest instagram post.

And nor was JJ, the begging daughter to watch daddy's next show. School is over, so what's the excuse?

My guess? Mommy didn't want.

Let's say the interview's legit. And yeah, while we’re at it, let’s talk about that "we don’t post our kids on social media" thing.

Because here’s the truth: he never said he wouldn’t talk about them. He said they were keeping them off social media. Big difference.

Let’s say he wanted his daughter there, and couldn’t make it happen. Then what?

Either His First Wife vetoed the whole thing (and she knows exactly how to weaponize that),

or, and this is where my headcanon kicks in, he’s done mixing personal life with his work.

Red carpets, conventions, interviews? That’s the job. That’s his turf. His control. His escape.

Like you said — he’s looking good. A little more grounded on those bowlegs.

Good for him.

So.

I think I can make it official.

No Danneel was sighted at the premiere. The stans are in a panic. (One in particular is self-soothing hard.)

I, myself, am not surprised. He’s taken great pains to separate work and personal life, though not always successfully. (T-shirt auction, folks?) He’s reduced mentioning her during conventions, barely refers to her at all. When he does, it comes across badly.

He talks more about his kids than her. It’s sounding more and more like they’re informally split, honestly.

Either way, he’s looking good. That shade of blue suits him well.

Looking forward to June 25th.

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With the releases of material before Fallon, I feel like all the bingo ideas are filling up.

I mean. The mention of the kids ( JJ in E! article ) Brief overview of Countdown ( TVGuide interview ) Jensen's role ( I saw something somewhere ) Love action : he said in in convention since someone asked about stunts Name-dropping ( JJ in E! article - Nathan Fillion ) Mention of The Boys / Vought Rising ( not yet but there's SO MANY DAYS UNTIL 23 ) What's left ? What's left for my bingo card ?! Sadness. Eternal sadness.

I appreciate your anon's excitement over seeing Jensen on Jimmy Fallon tonight, but if it's anything like his last late night appearance, it's going to be as boring and ill-fitting as his outfit on Seth Meyers.

Here's how I suspect it will go....

Welcome, followed by brief but generic mention of the wife and kids (if there's time, the anecdote about going golfing with his son), brief overview of Countdown, Jensen's role, he loves the action, wishes he could do more stunts, name-dropping a celebrity, brief mention of The Boys and Vought Rising, and cut to commercial/next guest.

I will give credit that most late-night shows and their guests come across as boring mostly due to the format of the show and not necessarily the guest, but I've never found Jensen that engaging on his own when trying to promote his shows.

I thought I was the only one who thought that! 😹

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Anon, I'm working on a Bingo card. I love you.

I appreciate your anon's excitement over seeing Jensen on Jimmy Fallon tonight, but if it's anything like his last late night appearance, it's going to be as boring and ill-fitting as his outfit on Seth Meyers.

Here's how I suspect it will go....

Welcome, followed by brief but generic mention of the wife and kids (if there's time, the anecdote about going golfing with his son), brief overview of Countdown, Jensen's role, he loves the action, wishes he could do more stunts, name-dropping a celebrity, brief mention of The Boys and Vought Rising, and cut to commercial/next guest.

I will give credit that most late-night shows and their guests come across as boring mostly due to the format of the show and not necessarily the guest, but I've never found Jensen that engaging on his own when trying to promote his shows.

I thought I was the only one who thought that! 😹

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We need these gifs the side of billboards and a bunch of us standing in the back of convention halls.

In silence.

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Another anon ( or the same )

J2 tinhats are back !

People wondering why there's no rumors about ackles cheating may be looking in the wrong direction.

Who said he's cheating with women?

Did you have anyone in mind, anon?

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Heheheh. You know what anon, I love you. Because you just reminded me of very factual stuff. It sounds of reason, logical and all that. There's more chances it would have been known.

But then, when's the last time I heard about some actor's infidelity? I wouldn't know, I don't pay attention to the star system. So, there's that. But my head canon is that there's no secret woman at the moment, might not have for a while now. Might explain the miserable look 80% of the time ;)

If he has a supposed secret woman, why doesn't he look somewhat happy then? He still looks miserable about 80% of the time.

If we go with this secret women makes him happier than being with Danneel, I feel like we would be seeing some of it show through his face/interactions etc.

I just highly doubt that he could be having someone on the side (or multiple someone(s) *though this one is more unlikely*) and NO ONE finds out about it. Come on, we've all seen how fanatic some of his fans get with having secrets being kept from them. There enough creepy, stalking, parasocial grown ass women out there that would jump at finding out about an actual side piece that's not just fans trying to make drama.

That's not even taking into account how Jensen and said women, and anyone close to them that knows about it, would have to keep their mouths shut. We all know how that goes after awhile.

Exactly, there’s just no way it could be kept secret for long. People are obsessed with Jensen. I personally don’t think he has a lover but you never know, people can be surprising.

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The judgement from @hologramcowboy on women is honestly sad. I'm with you @wrdlbrmpfd : everything you said. "No self respecting woman"? Who are you to judge? On what grounds? Moral? Then say it. Stand firm on the idea that infidelity is Jensen's biggest red flag or whatever, but why shift the blame onto the woman? Just like Anon. "Real intelligent woman would be his secret something, living in the shadows" ? Well, flash news: not all of us want the spotlight. That’s often the whole damn point of an affair, keeping it low-key, private, even hidden.

Like @wrdlbrmpfd said : maybe that woman doesn't want the kids, the marriage. And if she’s willing to put up with the status quo, eyes wide open? That’s her decision. Intelligence and self-delusion are not mutually exclusive, especially when love is involved. Who could blame her for wanting just the man and not the hassle?

Y’all seem weirdly disconnected sometimes from the messy parts of life, the gray areas, the compromises, the darker parts of being human. And that’s just when we talk about the "what if there is a mistress" scenario. Let's be real. We're all here to talk about him or his wife. Let's not give him an excuse only for his good looks. Jensen is a rich man raised in the 80s and 90s. He didn’t grow up in a vacuum. The Hollywood he entered was basically built on the trope of the charming, unavailable, unfaithful male lead. That entire era was soaked in that narrative. So yeah, I’m not saying he cheated, but if it turned out he had? I’d just nod and go, yeah, that tracks.

Honestly, I’d almost laugh. Because it would feel so painfully cliché, I wouldn’t even be shocked. Just disappointed in how obvious it is.

But the funny part is: lately, he’s not giving "cheater" energy at all.

What we’ve seen over the past year is a man who’s closing ranks. He barely posts unless it’s about work. 

Maybe all the toxicity got him away from any bed. Barely using his for that matter (as in, he doesn't seem to sleep a lot, I'm doing a bad joke here) Focused on work, what is he really running from? Aside from His First Wife, I mean. Or rather, come on boy, start detailing all the reasons you do. But don’t expect us not to notice when everything about you screams "strategic escape."

Know he is a cheater,but think that we don’t have that many rumors about it…… Do you think that a real inteligent woman would be his secret something,living in the shadows while he is still “married” to first wife?

No. No self respecting woman would go near his situationship.

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'twas the thing I was saying somewhere else.

Read it.

"Listened to yesterday

Long before the way it has become

And it all came down to you

I don't really know the way

It played out stranger than it seemed

But what went down came true

Like an all day dream

I don't want to be the one to say it's wrong

When the heavens open and a new day comes along

I know I would rather be together alone

In a big top circle and a world we can call our own

It's all our own

In a world we can call our own

You'll find shelter darlin'

Where I'll always promise to

Never let it be

I don't want to be the one to say it's wrong

When the heavens open and a new day comes along

I know I would rather be together alone

In a big top circle and a world we can call our own

Yeah it's all our own"

This song is supposed to be about danneel and jensen? Explain that to me

As well, they apparently said that they like their songs having multiple meanings and leaving it to interpretation. So let's interpret!!!

I am stumped because, as a whole, this song makes no sense. I couldn’t tell you what Jensen was trying to say. I always thought this song was about a lost love, now it makes no sense just like J/D’s relationship.

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Not everything amounts to some profound lesson. Some things just hurt. Some things just shouldn’t have happened.

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I saw this somewhere else. But lol. There's hope people. Hope. Jensen's First Wife might happen one day. It might just ... Take Time™️

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OH !

Since Jensen picked Dean's boots somewhere along the way for some +200$ high quality boots ( because Jensen is a little fashionista ) By this logic, Dean's perfume should be some Tom Ford, right?

Right, Jensen?!

Jensen: Dean would probably smell like motor oil, french fry grease and cheap whiskey. And a touch of regret!

Jensen, my man, our early fanfic legends beat you to this answer 😏😄

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I need to know his position.

I need to know his score card.

Also lol the tags of someone printing this on Polaroid printer. That’s the spirit.

Also, I hope someone shows him. 21 -> 47 😆 dude we’re getting old.

Also, the age gap is making me blush. Hell …

DAYS vs. Sunset Beach Charity Softball Game - Valley Park: Burbank, CA - July 31, 1999 - photographer: Miranda Shen / Celebrity Photo Agency

📽the slide collection series 📽

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Oh, funny. I was thinking on posting about that. So if the song in question is All Our Own, it is said that : Danneel said on twitter it was about her but got corrected and had to retract.

There's proof. Somewhere. I guess.

But you know what my little brain came up with?

Jensen never said one single time, one of the songs was for her. Radio Company became a thing in 2019. So, already in 2019, he was done with her. Or pulling back.

I don't know if that song is dedicated to her because I didn't look it up and I'm not going to, but if it's real, so many words and they can't look affectionate in public, every time they appear in something together it's painful to watch because of how uncomfortable they look… they're actors, last they work and pretend.

Like, why does he always back up when she's goes in for a kiss?? Wth going awn?

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Why is that gif so ... sad ?

😔

https://www.tumblr.com/ienjoybeingahater/777733368614895616/dean-winchester-is-the-open-wound-in-the-body-that

Hi there. I hope you’re well.

When you have a minute, I’d love to see your thoughts on the post linked abive. I agree to an extent, especially about writers stealing Sam story lines and giving them to Dean. They use the example of Jack and the writers trying to force a bond between him and Dean, when Sam was obviously his parental figure. Though, I think Jack, as characterized, always saw Sam as his main parental figure. I’d also argue that they cut Sam's much deserved anger short in Season 9, so Dean could have a strop for a season and a half because he was pouting over the fact that Sam didn’t instantly forgive him for violating him with the Angel situation.

Anyway, I just wonder how much you agree with their point that Dean became central focus of SPN.

Dean definitely gut more screen time, but I still think Sam more often had the plot focus, only the late seasons did a shitty job of fleshing them out enough, like Sam being a leader vs a follower with the BMOL in Season 12.

Anyway, thanks for any thoughts you decide to share on this.

Link. Oh boy. I will start with that ienjoybeingahate is not wrong, but not for reasons they or you may think.

The OP appears to treat Dean as a co-lead protagonist or a deuteragonist, had he been one then yes his character arc would have been beyond frustrating. But he's not, he's a support protagonist because less than half of the stories revolve around him, more like 20%.  Dean does not have important stories separate to Sam’s, nor does he have his own supporting cast; most of Dean’s interaction with Cas and other supporting characters are not about him but rather about his reaction to their stories because the role of the support protagonist is not only to support the lead, but also support the side characters.

Yeah, Dean is unfair towards Sam but 1) that’s what brothers do, and most importantly 2) that’s what happens to main characters, they constantly get shitted on. One of the biggest reliefs in real life is realizing you’re not the main character. In The X Files, Mulder was called a loser even by the freaks and rarely given grace.  Xena was constantly reminded of the sins of her past in Warrior Princess.

OP's biggest gripe is that Dean doesn't change, and I admit I've on occasion complained about Dean’s defeatist attitude, a plot device that can get tiresome since season 5. Still, it was a plot device that usually works as part of Sam’s Hero Journey  arc. For example, from Sam’s point of view, Dean’s endless self-inflicted apathy is part of the long list of crappy-things-to-do-to-Sam.  In episode 13x05, Dean temporarily killing himself so he can go into the dead zone to find the bodies and free the souls, while a good idea (I guess???), was still a very crappy-thing-to-do-to-Sam as there was no discussion, just “here’s a needle give me five minutes being dead okay see you later.”  It’s been ongoing since season 2, so I don’t blame Sam in season 14 for thinking the Mal'ex magic box business is just the latest in a long string of events of Dean causing himself harm and then giving up at the first inconvenience.  Sam’s angry speech in episode 14x11 “Damaged Goods” was not only about Dean cutting Sam out of his plan with no discussion but also for giving up by using blind faith in fate as an excuse (“since when do we believe in fate?”).  Sam’s speech in episode 14x12 “Prophet and Loss” recounts their long history of defying fate and surviving literal and figurative hell because they had faith in themselves. Dean is forgiven for forgetting this lesson every season because the plot device kicks in just in time to give us some of Jared’s finest acting of Sam’s decade-long frustrations with Dean’s obstinance, causing him to breakdown and ask, “why don’t you believe in us?”, like a child asking why adults do stupid things when the adults should know better. 

Dean’s defeatist attitude is part of the determinism (Dean) vs free will (Sam) philosophy that ran through the series by Sam confronting and challenging the authority figures in his life: John Winchester, Dean Winchester, Lucifer, and then God. They all wanted Sam to be something he didn’t want to be - John’s solider, Dean’s companion, Lucifer’s vessel, and Chuck’s story.  Eventually, Sam acquiesced to their demands but on his own terms, he became a hunter to leave a legacy, became Dean’s partner to save him, became Lucifer’s vessel to save the world, became Chuck’s story to defeat him and bring free will into the world through Jack, a Nephilim he essentially raised and influenced. New God Jack’s perception of humanity is distilled down to, “When people have to be their best, they can be.”  Looking at Sam, Jack promised a hands-off approach but also people don’t need to pray or sacrifice to Him. Sam has tears in his eyes, he is after all losing a son.  But what Sam gained is his faith in himself. his trust in people and the greater good often gets thrown into his face, but Jack becomes the kinder, gentler God whose message is to trust in themselves, for that is where God resides.

Speaking of Jack, the Dean and Jack subplot happened because the writers were building up their relationship for the sole purpose of tearing it down when Jack accidentally kills Mary.  The problem was their relationship wasn’t developed organically because the writers needed a plot device. The writers can’t have Sam and Jack having a falling out, so it had to be Dean and Jack.  As I mentioned earlier, OP is not wrong but not for reasons they may think. Writers didn't "cater" toward Dean because of his fans, but because they were after their own residuals. Writers create new side characters and get residuals everytime their character appears in an episode. The easiest way for writers to give their characters more screentime is to have them interact with Dean because he’s the go-to character to support the supporting character. Helped that Dean is consistently written inconsistently, so Dean can be anything the writers want him to be when he supports their own character. Writers don't want their creations to interact with Sam because as the main character, it is the job of side characters to support Sam’s story. Once the support character’s job of revealing a side of Sam is done, they are usually killed off and there goes the writer's residuals.

Dean did not "destroy" Castiel by becoming an accessory to Dean on behalf of the Destiel shippers. Castiel was "destroyed" because he outlived his purpose after season 6 and Misha couldn't find a better job. Season 6 was Castiel’s best season in terms of character development because it made sense from his arcs in season 4 and 5.  Castiel as a villain actually makes sense because angels are lawful-evil assholes and despite Cas’s best attempts he can’t escape his nature, which is the point of Dean’s arguments about monsters. From season 7 onward, Cas became a plot-driven character instead of a character driving the plot. Stories shouldn’t move the characters like lifeless game pieces. It’s the characters that should move the story forward. The characters’ choices should impact the story and not be inconsequential. (My unpopular theories  here and here and here and a short version  here on why Misha was initially hired as a regular for season 5 & 6 and rehired again as a regular for season 9-11.)

OP's "From the very beginning, Sam had potential, potential for something beyond hunting, beyond the endless cycle of death and violence that consumed their lives. He had dreams, ambitions, and a future that should have been his"

Did OP not see the series finale "Carry On"? Sam left hunting and its endless cycle of death and violence and accomplish his primary goal that had kept him driven and move the story forward, attaining normal life. It was never about eradicating monsters to extinction or avenging his mother’s death.  Sure, Sam is very good at hunting and even became a leader, but they always made sure to show that Sam doesn’t have passion for the family business other than saving people’s lives.  Claire Novak shows way more enthusiasm for the job. 

OP's inability or refusal to see Sam as the main character may be colored by mistaking the character with the most POV as the main character. But as any Dean stans will tell you, Dean's POV means squat because Dean isn’t being talked about by other characters. Dean and his POV mainly revolve around Sam. To quote a casual observer I found on tumblr: Sam gets the larger story arcs in the show and Dean gets more of the “silly and fun” filler episodes.

Sam is dynamic character who went from a college student naive about the supernatural world, to becoming a skilled and effective hunter and then a leader and later a father figure to a future God, and finally a father with a family of his own.  Dean was essentially the same character from start to finish but that’s fine for a support-protagonist, in fact it was essential for the show’s formula.  Yes Dean is a supercool character because the jerk-with-heart-of-gold is practically a fail safe archtype.

"I’d also argue that they cut Sam's much deserved anger short in Season 9, so Dean could have a strop for a season and a half because he was pouting over the fact that Sam didn’t instantly forgive him for violating him with the Angel situation."

I semi-agree that Sam's anger was cut short. First, remember that Dean isn’t going to learn the same lesson each season, which was why he made Sam’s anger over the Gadreel possession about his (Dean) own issue and left Sam alone (with Cas in the bunker) to hunt down Gadreel… only to run into Cain got the Mark to, huh, kill Abaddon instead for some reason. That "reason" was Jensen's years long campaign for a Dean-centric storyline, which he got for season 10. That means the last half of season 9 was rewritten to set up Dean's "rare" storyline (Jensen's quote here ). I explained here why season 10 didn't work, the jist is because Supernatural was not set up to have Dean as the main character.

Back to Sam's anger, he told Dean the unvarnished truth: Dean didn’t want to be alone. This gets brought up again by Billie in season 11’s “Red Meat”, and in season 13’,’s “Advanced Thanatology” when Dean tells Billie that he’s dragging down Sam. Dean does have self-awareness but he can't live a life without Sam, so Sam has to give up just about everything so that Dean wouldn't be alone. In season 8, Dean gave his blessing and permission for Sam to return to the ordinary life he always wanted for himself but, you know, only after he (Dean) dies. Which is what Sam did in "Carry On".

In the end it was okay that Dean's character growth was minimal because he’s Han Solo, the comfort food of the series.  We don’t want mac & cheese to change. Dean is the awesome sauce but not the main course, which I explained in the “Support Protagonist” tag.

July 2015 Comic Con:

Interviewer:  Let’s talk about growth in Dean’s character. Jensen:  Or lack of growth?

Link.

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"Typical boys 😄❤️"

Fuck you.

Original photo is from JiB2018 and this is from Minneapolis 2025.

No, I won't believe he only have one drink once in a while to take the edge off. Not when this " joke" been running around for so long.

Yeah, so funny.

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I'd like to hear those feminists take from the man himself ...

Admittedly, I have been highly critical of Jensen. That being said, I want to give him credit where it is due: Despite very deep social ties, when their rights were laid on the line, Jensen got his wife and daughters out of Texas. For that, he has my great respect.

Ditto.