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a few days ago we saw you respond to a post saying the creator of octocon is ableist and i was just wondering if you could elaborate on that?? we have octocon but haven't really used it much and don't know much about the developer

ALL TWs IN TAGS.

Basically Atlas is completely unable to communicate with disabled people and has no understanding of how importing an entire system from SP (very private, and I know this because my friends work in cybersecurity and have tried to get into my simply plural without having access) to Plural Kit (public to anyone who has your discord account's userID, or has your system tag [given to you by PK]).

This importation means that people who have private or sensitive alters have their privacy compromised.

One of my girlfriends made a post during a bout of paranoia about this, and the information in the post is shoddily worded but substantially correct.

The alt text includes a translated version of this if you cannot understand because xi is semiverbal and struggles to communicate.

I think it's important to note that

"Octocon is not safe for us" is a fact and cannot be disputed by any person because that's for the individual to assess and come to their own conclusion. It's also a personal statement and does not suggest that Octocon is unsafe for everyone.

"Must import using discord bot which is not private." PluralKit is not a private bot, it doesn't make any claim to be. And idk if it's still true but at the time it was posted, the only way to import from Simply Plural was to import to PluralKit first and then to Octocon. SP imports to PK to do not take privacy settings into consideration and I know this because I had to manually delete more than 200 imported alters from the bot.

In the comments of this post, Atlas calls it "disingenuous fearmongering. :P" which is disregards all of the valid fears and doesn't actually explain to the cognitively disabled and paranoid system things that could reassure xim. It's also just rude as well as being cruel and dismissive.

I am only including a couple of the comments before I got involved because honestly a lot of them are "wah wah you're wrong [strawman fallacy]" from atlas and some other person defending atlas and then a "why aren't you actually reading what I'm saying" from ghost.

Then I got involved because my priority was my boyfriend who was actively having a breakdown and I was helping xi.

So, as you can see, the problem is not with the app Octocon. The problem is the importation of data. And then Atlas completely misunderstood the conversation, accussed someone of fearmongering and then didn't respond to me calling them an unsafe place for disabled people or for excluding disabled from their community, an issue that is very prominent in system spaces anyway but that's another post.

I do not have a screenshot of the conversation because the post with taken down BUT there was also a conversation about the accessibility features of the app not being adequate and Atlas doubled down and said that they included accessibility tools, which is a complete disregard to what the commentor was originally saying. You can include accessibility tools and still be inaccessible, for example if your UI is difficult to navigate and there aren't any tutorials but you have a dyslexia friendly font.

Anyway yeah, I personally don't care about the actual app anymore, I refuse to use it or ever have the bot in my discord servers due to the negligence and ableism shown by the developers and how those who support it are also ableist themselves.

A link to the original post but I will tolerate ANY demeaning attitudes toward my girlfriend or any ableism. I am tired of the ableism in system communities.

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I was able to snag the pedo's user ID from old messages in the support server. For those that wish to ban them before they can even get access to your server(s), this is their user ID: 283684201944055808

To ban people that aren't in your server(s), use <@[user ID]>. Send the message that gives you their account, right click the profile and click "ban" So in this case, it would be <@283684201944055808>. Send, right click, and ban.

I was able to check the pedophile's user ID and it does match the ID in this ask. If you want to pre-ban this user from your servers, the instructions above should work. Thank you anon.

link to the original post discussing the situation with this pedophile: https://www.tumblr.com/octoconbeware/774788083214385152/octocon-beware

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The pedophile was actually in both the community and support servers. He had a conversation with Atlas about coding/programming in the support server while the ticket with him confessing to abusing a minor was still open.

This is also apparently not the first time this has happened. I'm currently talking to another victim who experienced a similar issue with the octocon moderators before the one I posted. I won't make an official post until I get enough evidence, but I am horrified that the moderators and owner of the octocon servers have possibly defended pedophiles multiple times.

Hey about the octo thing. I’m in the server, I think they (as in the person they’re calling out) only interacted in their social server. BUT!!! They did actively harbor and allow an Aspen mod, who posted a minors PK in the public gen chat to fake claim them. I’m unsure of who it is exactly, as they have changed their whole theming. (It used to be a pikman character.) but I know multiple people who saw them do this lol.

oof yikes...

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OCTOCON BEWARE: EVIDENCE POST

Link to the original post detailing the situation: https://www.tumblr.com/octoconbeware/774788083214385152

The original private ticket was posted on the 19th of January, 2025. The creator and moderators made the final decision to allow the pedophile to stay in the servers 8 days later on the 27th of January, 2025. Atlas, the creator of the app/bot, replied to my public post a little over 24 hours after I had posted it on the 6th of February, 2025, reversing the decision and banning the pedophile. Note that the pedophile admits to being 18 and abusing and traumatizing a 14 year old.

All images and image transcripts I was given permission to post are under the readmore. The identity of the user that reported the pedophile was censored.

transcript below of the pedophile's admittance of abusing a 14 year old:

one of em i was a dick tryna ghsot someone (i wasnt my head was just so full), one of them was appearanlty i sidestepped and had pedophilic intentions, (i did it on purpose so i wouldnt do it on accident at a later time) and the other one was. appearntly i severyly traumatised someone im super closeto???/ but theyahvent cout me ut and it pisses me off?????????????????

i purposefully kinda sought out a relationship one of our alters has with an alter in a minor system, and ditn stop them when it got sexual it was fuckin stupid a nd like. a planned idea to hurt my then friends on purpose, so i would not later do it on accident

good, please hate me/g i might actually cut contact w the person who told me i traimatised them because lautely theuve been saying a lot of stuff i dont understand. For example thwt splitting (bpd) is just like mania. And one of their alters is called "ticcy toby", has tics, but the body doesnt tic and never has?? only the alter does and forces into their chatting text?? which makes me uncomfu cool i dropped all my venting on u now block me cause im sus and manipulative and a pedophile i guess even thiugh i just turnt fuckin 18 a montj ago lmfao

gpod good* you have your morals right, thats good when both the alters are between 25-30 but the two bodies are 14 and 18 its not ok and ur right, good

transcript below of the private ticket and decisions made by the creator and moderators:

User: I don't want to be pushy but it's nearing 24 hours since I opened this ticket and presented this information that I feel is very time-sensitive. Could I get some sort of update?

Atlas: Hi! We're currently discussing this report with our team. We'll get back to you as soon as possible.

User: Thank you.

User: Any update?

Catharsys: Hi USER, I really apologize for the delay. We have been quite busy lately (entire team including Atlas). We are not ignoring you and we will get back to you ASAP.

Catharsys: Hi USER, we apologize for the delay since our last reply. After reviewing all provided evidence, we have concluded that this is outside our scope of actions. While we understand your discomfort, all we can recommend is to report the evidence to Discord directly and let them handle this. The reported situation is too old and complex for simple moderators on a Discord server to judge. We hope you will understand. Your continued discomfort with their presence is entirely valid, and we therefore encourage you to block them. Please let me know if you have any further questions or concerns, or if we are all set to close this ticket!

user: CW PEDOPHILIA // OFFICIAL REPLY FROM OCTOCON MODS! [below is a screenshot with the final decision of the server staff posted by Catharsys]

Atlas: We've reevaluated the situation and have chosen to ban this individual from all of Octocon's communities. Please don't hesitate to message me if you have any questions. Our decision to take inaction was mostly guided by the fact that both individuals involved were minors at the time of the incident, and that the incident occurred 3 years ago, but we now realize that the possibility of falsely banning someone is much less important than potentially putting our community at risk. As administrators of a mixed-age space, we have a moral imperative to protect our community's vulnerable - especially minors - and trust reporters who have genuine concerns for their safety. We'll do better.

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OCTOCON BEWARE

TLDR; A pedophile that has admitted to abusing a minor is in the Octocon servers, and the creator of the bot and the moderator team for the servers have stated they will not do anything about it. The Octocon servers allow minors and have minors active in the server.

If you are in a server that uses and has ever recommended a member go to either of the Octocon servers, I ask that you please notify the mod team so that they are aware there is a predator in the servers they are recommending their members to.

A second post with evidence of the discussion with the moderators as well as the pedophile admitting to abusing a minor is linked at the bottom of this post.

More details about the situation below. Content warning for a slightly more in depth discussion of pedophilia.

The creator of Octocon and the moderators of the Octocon discord servers were made aware of a pedophile that sexually abused and traumatized a 14 year old when he was 18 years old. The evidence submitted into a private ticket with the moderators was the pedophile admitting to doing so in a private message with a user that I will keep anonymous.

After over a week of inaction from the Octocon mods, where the pedophile was allowed to talk in the servers with minors and staff members, the moderator team came to the decision that they will allow the predator to continue to use the servers as "The situation is too old and complex for simple moderators on a discord server to judge." I found the inaction of the moderators and final decision disturbing. The fact that this was all handled quietly and server members were not made aware of this decision at all was extremely discomforting to me. I personally have decided to move away from the bot/app and ended my support for it due to the complete lack of care the owner and staff has expressed in regards to member safety by letting a self-admitted pedophile chat with minors in their servers. I reached out to the user who had initially brought up the concerns to the moderator team for permission to make a post about it so people are aware of the situation. Link to evidence post: https://www.tumblr.com/octoconbeware/775057200100065280