#2020 koushiros infodumping

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U.S. 2020!Tentomon, Ep 36, clearly thrILLED: "OoooHHH, *TELL THEM*, Izzy! *THAT'S* the mOST *IMPORTANT PART*, *ISN'T IT*?!??!" M E: (*LAUGHS IN Autistic with Special InterestTM*)

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{DigiAdv 2020 Ep. 59} ~ 2020!Koushiro & INFO DUMPING {DO NOT Copy} {DO NOT re-post} (Please ASK to Use)

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Me, as I prepare to (eventually) gif the entirety of DigiAdv 2020 Episode 36:

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Digimon Adventure/02/Tri/2020 ~ Comparisons + {Thematic} Parallels + {Common!} Character Traits ~ Koushiro{u} Izumi

Koushiro{u} Izumi + Infodumping {about the Digital World, Digimoji, D3s, Oolong Tea, or basically rambling about anything + catching strong Interests}

Bonus: {Digimon Adventure PSP!}:

“Once {Koushiro}’s lost in something it’s hard to get {Koushiro}’s attention.” - Taichi Yagami, Confirming the Obvious (in a Good Way!)

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Digimon Adventures + Digimon Adventure tri. ~ (AUTISTIC HEADCANON!) KOUSHIRO IZUMI Character Analysis (Japanese version) {see Part 2 of Autistic!/Neurodivergent!Koushiro canonical traits here}

+ INFODUMPING in various ways - about Interests, be they possible Special Interests and things he HIGHLY ENJOYS & infodumps about in an extremely INTENSE way {such as the Oolong Tea, and even Science & Knowledge in general} - about information / Team Analyzing & Strategy / Special Interest in KNOWLEDGE in general -- + Infodumping in both GOOD WAYS and BAD WAYS ... (also depending on the certain framings of both these scenes)

{ the following post will have tri references from Soushitsu [Movie 4] } { and also Kokuhaku [Movie 3] }

READ FURTHER: What is a Special Interest?

Special interests are (not named) literally a part of the diagnostic criteria for Autism. From the DSM-V directly: Highly restricted, fixated interests that are abnormal in intensity or focus Note: abnormal in intensity or focus that means that if “everyone” has special interests, they aren’t ‘abnormal’ in intensity or focus, because that’s everyone. In the examples, directly from the DSM-V, specifically referring to interests: excessively circumscribed or perseverative interests (circumscribed=restricted perseverative=repeat insistently/redundantly)

also from that post:

INFO DUMPING

Yes, people like to know things about interests. But autistics often can’t stop. We repeat ourselves about them, and because of the social aspects mentioned above,

we know people think we’re annoying.

But we can’t stop.

We store the information and when it comes up its like they’re kicking over the file cabinet.

DOES KOUSHIRO GENUINELY ENJOY HIS {SPECIAL?} INTERESTS?:

“WHEN YOU’RE DOING RESEARCH,

OR LEARNING SOMETHING NEW,

YOU TRULY LOOK HAPPY

LIKE YOU’RE ENJOYING IT.”

- Tentomon in Kokuhaku {Confession}, Movie 3 with FULL memories of Koushiro

“I UNDERSTAND HOW MUCH YOU LOVE THIS.”

- Motimon in Soushitsu {Loss}, Movie 4 post-Reboot, at the time, SEEMINGLY NOT remembering Koushiro

And yet, the above scenes all together provide a DIFFERENT picture.

[And maybe a slightly smaller Relevant comparison moment BUT.....]

{“HOW WAS I?”} - Adventure episode 28, the episode with the Gate to the Real World Motimon asking about his overall performance.

{“I’M SORRY, AM I HEAVY?”}

... Motimon asking about his overall performance. + “am I inconveniencing you?” {basically}

“...” Koushiro has a significant pause as he’s realizing.

“Koushiro-han?”

“...so WE STILL had A {BOND}...”

- the point of this comparison being

EVEN WHEN MOTIMON SEEMINGLY DOESN’T HAVE ALL MEMORIES, MOTIMON REMEMBERS THINGS ABOUT KOUSHIRO IZUMI, INCLUDING IMPORTANT, CONSTANTLY CEMENTED-IN-CANON TRAITS OF KOUSHIRO’S WIDER PERSONALITY

such as that

“WHEN YOU’RE DOING RESEARCH,

OR LEARNING SOMETHING NEW,

YOU TRULY LOOK HAPPY

LIKE YOU’RE ENJOYING IT.”

and by the way,

regardless of some small differences between versions so far,

this same side of his personality is KEPT so far in Adventure 2020:

“YOUR BRAIN!

YOUR {KNOWLEDGE}!!”

BUT WHAT ABOUT THE BAD SIDE YOU SHOWED EARLIER?? when they TALKED OVER HIM THEY’RE BEING SO OOC AREN’T THEY??? Um... not wholly / it’s COMPLICATED.

[ note everyone’s expressions in the moment above. most {all} are looking at him rather dismayed. he’s clearly been at this for a while to the point even Tailmon was snoozing and had to ASK HIM DIRECTLY “KOUSHIRO. What are you doing” she even asks this in a straight deadpan ]

{Taichi didn’t exactly have the best patience here either.}

Reading the emails, missing the atmosphere / not reading the room {essentially, missing Taichi’s social cues}

{this scene was also related in the previous posts regarding Koushiro constantly missing social cues [EVEN/SOMETIMES WITH TAICHI] and yet the others {INCLUDING/ESPECIALLY TAICHI} ... eventually recognize Koushiro DOES NOT MEAN THIS. GENUINELY Tri!Taichi even defends Koushiro in the later scene in the 3rd movie:}

please relate back to the above contexts:

... and because of the social aspects mentioned above, we know people think we’re annoying. But we can’t stop. We store the information and when it comes up its like they’re kicking over the file cabinet.

WE CAN’T STOP

and neither can Koushiro when he’s infodumping or specifically infodumping on his Interests  POORLY.

The Chosen Children know this. {Eventually} [because out of all of them, Taichi knows Koushiro best]

TAICHI YAGAMI KNOWS this. {a bit earlier on compared to the rest} BUT IT TAKES TAICHI A ... Bit TO Learn about Koushiro Izumi, TOO.

{ Koushiro is *sighing* here }

“AT TIMES LIKE THIS, YOU JUST HAVE TO HIT IT!”

{ a part of Taichi and Koushiro’s relationship is learning patience with each others’ issues, if slowly at times/briefly }

{notice how here...}

this scene with the Oolong happens much later on in tri, and everyone just... casually doesn’t mind that he’s obviously infodumping with everyone in a much more pleasant mood & SITUATION {kind of} than they were in the Movie 1 scene. the contexts of the scenes are different they have their Digimon back regardless and are attempting to RELAX and re-bond with them. { including Koushiro + Motimon }

They are all {including Koushiro} clearly very COMFORTABLE here.

And, would I, as an Autistic fan who has info dumped often about my Special Interests myself, have preferred they handled the scene from Saikai better? MAYBE.

Do I also think they improved with later scenes by highlighting that infodumping comes naturally to Koushiro, to the point TENTOMON even points it out? showing the Chosen sitting all together happily despite his infodumping?

considering literally all the contexts I’ve mentioned above about why Tri!Koushiro’s scenes in general are STILL important to his OVERALL personality, AND this wider headcanon,

YES.

And here’s another thing...

When people LET US ramble on about our Special Interests without interrupting us, even if we’re being slightly (or VERY)  missing-reading-the-room about it,

IT CAN ACTUALLY EVEN BE A SIGN OF RESPECT especially if it’s to a point you’re COMFORTABLE AROUND US

Autistic people love it when we’re allowed to ramble on without interruption.

We don’t necessarily EXPECT people to absorb or even understand EVERY single word we say. We’re just happy and pleased they’re letting us ramble, without making it out {directly to us, as in DELIBERATELY interrupting us or directly insulting us & our interests, is the literal WORST way} to seem like it’s a huge problem in the moment.

for example, if Tri!Taichi or co had deliberately interrupted Koushiro’s rambling in the 1st movie scene, i.e. if to YELL at him to “stop and pay attention, you’re being so ANNOYING!” for example, that would have been SO MUCH WORSE.

Koushiro’s friends are, in the wider plot of the series,

GOOD friends to him.

A bit later on in Movie 4:

{TAICHI NOTICING KOUSHIRO’S EYES ARE CLEARLY GLASSY / FIRM / WATERY / MAYBE A BIT TEARY FROM ALL THE FRUSTRATION & STRESS. And that Koushiro is clearly holding it all in for Taichi & the team’s comfort.}

Despite some bumps along the way they really do care.

{‘SEE HOW MUCH WE CARE ABOUT EACH OTHER AS A TEAM?’} {‘SEE HOW MUCH YOU AND TAICHI CARED ABOUT EACH OTHER, AGUMON?’ - Koushiro Izumi, probably, as he shows them to Agumon - Koushiro even takes the ‘stealth’ photos HIMSELF as a hobby!!!}

...And in the 2nd scene from tri with Motimon (Movie 4), Mimi does GENTLY interrupt at the end... but note the reasoning: Koushiro has rambled on too long to the point he hasn’t eaten his food.

If he doesn’t eat his food, Koushiro isn’t practicing proper SELF CARE, and the Chosen {and later on, even Tri!Mimi!} know this.

They’re also looking out for him at various such times, in such moments.

Because they CARE.

I’d just, UM, also like to point something out here...

I’M. literally infodumping to you all by making this post & analysis. I understand and expect not every single word will be completely understood, either by more casual fans of the series or by people who aren’t Autistic / Neuro-divergent.

I’m fine with that. Mostly, I’ll be happy if you can at the very least please try to seriously consider what I’m saying about everything here, and how I personally analyze canon!Koushiro’s infodumping and the Chosens’ various responses.

[ NOTES: THIS IS A FAN META POST. This is also my particular headcanon / analysis of Koushiro Please keep this in mind before you comment This post was made with the intention of pointing out CANONICAL character traits of Koushiro in the various media, regardless of wider headcanons. There is a bit further commentary in the tags of the original post in regards to headcanons. If you choose to read this post / commentary, please be respectful. Please be aware I am making this post and speaking as someone who is Neuro divergent MYSELF. ]

{While I am grateful this series is now gaining some positive reception, I respectfully ask that you do not comment on the post or tags with canon hate or use these headcanons as reasons for further bashing canon.} {PLEASE read everything carefully before commenting. Thank you}

( FINAL NOTE: This and this are also very good posts. }

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things Toei animation could give me in Digimon Adventure 2020

that will AUTOMATICALLY make me happy REGARDLESS OF ANYTHING:

Koushiro getting screentime

Koushiro getting ACTIVE screentime where he ISN’T JUST BEHIND THE TABLET / COMPUTER

Koushiro’s adoption storyline being kept FULLY

Koushiro’s adoption storyline being updated for a 2020 audience while still retaining the impact of the original

MRS YOSHIE - AKA - KAE IZUMI APPEARING

IN ANY INSTANCE

TALKING WITH KOUSHIRO

MR IZUMI TOO WOULD BE NICE BASICALLY IZUMI FAMILY

KOUSHIRO TALKING TO TAICHI YAGAMI

and not just in the infodumping!Koushiro sense

more screentime for Taichi + Koushiro relationship ANYTHING

Koushiro having a better / improved friendship with Mimi than he did in original Adventure series

more Koushiro + Hikari interactions (+ WITH TAICHI)

more Taichi + Yamato + Koushiro OT3 moments (+less fighting)

KOUSHIRO + JOU INTERACTIONS ( ANYTHING )

basically ANY OF THE ABOVE

KOUSHIRO BEING ACKNOWLEDGED

( + BY THE GROUP IN GENERAL )

PREFERABLY THE FORBIDDEN KOUSHIRO-ON-TAICHI’S SOCCER TEAM/CLUB THAT WE NEVER GOT IN-SHOW THAT WAS IN THE ADVENTURE NOVELS (bolding/italics mine for emphasis!):

As they walked, Koushiro asked Tentomon many things about this region and about Digimon. While doing so, he couldn’t help but feel a slight self–derision snorting at him in the back of his mind. Never before had he talked so much to a stranger, even if that stranger wasn’t a human being. In the days before he had left for camp, he normally avoided taking the initiative to talk to others in school. He didn’t like getting involved with them. Especially not when he didn’t even know who in the world he was. As a matter of course, his classmates rarely had a chance to talk with him. Many thought that he was hard to get along with, and Koushiro personally didn’t find that inconvenient so he did nothing to persuade them otherwise. Taichi Yagami was one of the few exceptions. Because their school curriculum had a physical education requirement, Koushiro was forced to choose a club. It was a mere coincidence that he chose the soccer club. He wouldn’t have to face people one-on-one if he was in a club emphasizing teamwork rather than individual achievement, and the positions in soccer appeared more vague than they were in baseball. He felt that in the soccer club, he wouldn’t have to go out of his way to engage with other people. Taichi was an upperclassman in that soccer club. It wasn’t that he was extremely talkative, but Taichi treated everyone without discrimination, as equals. That attitude of his didn’t change, even towards Koushiro. If Taichi hadn’t invited him, Koushiro was sure that he would have never gone to summer camp.

- from the Adventure novels translation by Onkei

^ AKA: THE FORBIDDEN TAICHI+KOUSHIRO BACKSTORY

WOULD BE VERY NICE TO HAVE TOO @ TOEIIIIIIIIIIIIIII

BONUS: - THE SUMMARY FOR DIGIADV 2020 STATES - THE 1ST EPISODE TAKES PLACE - “ BEFORE ” TAICHI’S SUMMER CAMP at the “ END of the week ”---------

- “ The main character is fifth grader Taichi Yagami, who lives in a high-rise apartment building in the Tokyo suburbs. He has stayed at home alone in order to prepare for his summer camp at the end of the week, ”

- “  In the days before [KOUSHIRO] had left for camp, he normally avoided taking the initiative to talk to others in school. ” - IF TAICHI HADN’T INVITED HIM, Koushiro WAS SURE THAT HE WOULD HAVE NEVER GONE TO SUMMER CAMP.