Unfinished Hannibal Barca
Rough sketch of Hannibal Barca.
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mommy_bc insta story 27/6/2023
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Barcode fringe is a little to confident with that phone camera
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In regards to your woes of everyone being named Marcellius. I just read "The Carthaginians" by Dexter Hoyos, and if you thought the Romans were bad for reusing names, then hoo boy the Carthaginians were even worse. All Carthaginian aristocrats had one of these names, Hannibal, Hasdrubal, Himilco, Gisco, Bomilcar, Hanno, Bostar, Adherbal, Mago, and Maharbal. And if they didn't have last names, and if they had cognomen, they were rarely recorded. There are only two noble Carthaginian families that can definitely be identified, and thats the Magonids, and the Barcids, And with the Magonids, that wasn't even their cognomen. We just know that the descendants of a certain Mago held power for a century and a half, so all the major Carthaginians we hear about in this area are Probably Magonids, unless stated otherwise.
I'm never teasing my mom for naming dogs after food items and onomatopoeia again.
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Hamilcar Barca
Hamilcar Barca (c. 285 – c. 228 BCE) was a Carthaginian general active in the First Punic War (264-241 BCE). He then quashed a rebellion closer to home between 241 and 237 BCE before returning abroad, where he successfully expanded Carthaginian interests in southern Spain. In these conflicts, Hamilcar had switched Carthage from a naval power to a land power with great success, and he firmly established the Barcid family as the ruling house of Carthage. He was the father of Hannibal Barca who continued his father's tactics and won major land battles in Italy during the Second Punic War.
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Finaly time for another skit of my ocs
Kweven holding a barcide scanner: you know how i can't scan my self is becuse im priceless
Ricardo: or your not worth anything
Kweven : oh...
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doing any kind of research on the second punic war is 10% pointing and laughing at the romans, 90% pointing and crying at the barcids
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thinking about her (barcid spain)
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@audaciiae.
MEIRA FEELS LIKE SHE is withering away to the grave. A fever shivers through her body and then seizes her with a raging fire, her stomach heaves and purges, and her skin has grown gray and scaly. She truly thought she was dying the first time this struck her, once the Barcids conquered Hispania, and she had laid in bed for a fortnight, praying to any god that might hear her, begging for answers. But when the worst had befallen her, it passed, and she grew strong once more. Romans march upon Hispania, the people stunned in the wake of Carthage’s defeat, and Meira suffers once more. She has never been independent of the things that impact her mother country. Her blood is in the sand and the sand is in her blood ; she and Hispania are one in the same.
A knock comes at the door just as the sky begins to lighten from black to an even, nautical hue. Visitors aren’t unheard of in the stretch of empty land outside of Gadir, or, as the Romans have been calling it, Gades. The untamed land between merchant towns and old Carthaginian fortresses is rough and unforgiving, and to see a homestead seems like a gift from the gods. The potpourri of man is most often dumped on her doorstep, entertainers and artisans and tourists and hunters and the like, all gone off the familiar path and drawn to the smell of citrus and the tangerine glow of light coming from Meira’s home. All homespun faces and homespun people, in their own way.
She staggers down the stairs, as all her servants and hands are still asleep, a blanket draped about her trembling shoulders. Surprise takes her, however, when she opens the door to see a man looking as Roman as they come. Meira recoils and fixes him with a wary gaze with bloodshot eyes. She doesn’t care much for the Romans. She hasn’t heard very many good things, and her illness makes her even more surly. Meira fears slavery is in her future, and a ravaging modernisation of Hispania that changes everything it once was forever, washing it away like waves upon the shore. Meira does not want to be Roman, she does not want to be another province in the Empire, she does not want this.
Her brow sets with poor resolve, and she stares at the man warily. “What do you want from me?” She demands, breath rasping.
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ooo it’s hasdrubal!!!
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honestly though I think hannibal the barcid is a better sexyman than cannibal hannibal from your show. got that carthaginian swag.
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@globalchristendom i’m gonna answer you here so i can give a more in-depth reply.
so yeah, i’m no expert, but from what i understand after the first punic war, the carthaginians no longer held naval supremacy. firstly, the romans had finally gotten their sea-legs so to speak. they built a large, formidable navy and finally had experience fighting at sea. the romans were a resilient people, and going against the known-world’s ultimate navy while having no-navy-at-all themselves they really had no choice but to learn fast. and boy did they.
the other thing is that the second punic war started mostly as a private war. hannibal attacked saguntum on his own without the approval of the carthaginian government. not that they were eager to stop him either. in fact, the whole expansion into iberia was a mostly private affair for the barcid family. and my point is, as far as i’m aware, the barcid family didn’t have any ships. so when hannibal inherited the army (originally mercenaries, but eventually became personally loyal to the barcids) from his father, i don’t think he inherited any ships. so if he wanted ships to carry his men to rome, he’d have to request the ships from the government. which leads me to my next point.
the government didn’t have any ships. at least not any warships. after the first punic war one of the carthaginian generals (hanno) campaigned to have the navy demobilized. they complied. hanno had no interest in risking war with rome again and thought it was better for carthage to focus more on its african territories. and so, with hanno dominating carthaginian politics, the idea that the government would have been willing to give hannibal ships is unlikely. and, even if they were willing, they didn’t have any to give him.
and finally, after the first punic war, rome had acquired sicily, corsica, and sardinia. if carthage somehow managed to field a fleet they’d have to face roman ports at every corner. the fact that the carthaginians barely used their navy at all in the second war demonstrates their naval insecurity. and the few naval engagements there were, the romans almost always came out on top. i think there was only one single instance of the carthaginians successfully sending reinforcements to hannibal in italy, and that was only after most of southern italy had defected to the carthaginians. too little, too late unfortunately for them.
but yeah, i think even if he had access to a fleet, he probably wouldn’t have used them. one, because of the aforementioned roman naval superiority. it simply would have been too great a risk. he could lose his whole army in one bad naval engagement in a sea filled with roman ships. and two, because as you mention, he had allies to gain in gaul and knew crossing the alps would take the romans by surprise. which it did. because that shit is fucking insane.
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scipio africanus is NOT cool OR sexy. this post made by barcid family gang.
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“Saint-Just refused to give way before the storm that then broke out ... He would show these false patriots how to die.”
- J.M. Thompson, Leaders of the French Revolution
Many thanks to @ghostplantss, @georgesdamnton, @robespeeair, @leafs-and-leaflets, @lesmissouriables, @nitenebresnicoupsdefoudre, and @barcids for your unwavering support and encouragement while I laboured on this.
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THE BARCILLIANS
the empire beyond the spires
Through the passes of the great Southspires is the kingdom of Barcid, a country known for being both beautiful and deadly -- considering it is surrounded on all sides by ocean, mountain, or the Great Waste of the southern desert. Despite -- or perhaps because of -- the sheer monstrosity that is its geographical surroundings, the people of Barcid are known to be hardy, intelligent, and impeccably inventive. They see the magic used by their neighbors as a crutch, often deeming it dangerous and unreliable. Because of this, the Barcillians lean upon science and invention, making them perhaps the most advanced of the nearby realms.
INSPIRATION: the ottoman empire, dorne of game of thrones
Teasers: magic is seen as taboo or a secret to hide, quite liberal in the ways of love and gender identity, an empire without an emperor (wait for it :D), language is a combination of spoken spanish-based and written arabic-based, scientific and mathematical geniuses
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