#Chloe bourgeois redemption

[waty-art]

Chloé & Marinette. Pop-star au!

[crimsonmonsoon]

The New York Special of my Miraculous Ladybug rewrite is complete! Go read Miracle Box pls pls pls pls pls pls pls pls pls pls pls....

Ao3 link to the New York Special

Ao3 link to the first part of this mega fic, Miracle Box:

Wattpad link to the mega fic Miracle Box (includes the New York special)

[awholelotofladybug]

Opposite Personality AU

Marinette and Adrian have opposite personalities except for their classmates.

This is a classic AU idea. It's one that I've seen a dozen times, and it never gets old. I could try my own take on it.

Adrien is a clumsy young man whose parents run a small tailoring business, but his passion is baking. He's kind, creative, and super shy around his crush, Marinette Dupain-Cheng.

On the other side, Marinette is the daughter of Sabine Cheng, the wealthy owner of a hugely successful catering company. Marinette is sweet, optimistic, and trusting.

Adrien's best friend is Alya, and Marinette's best friend is Nino.

Rather than Sabine being a villain, Lila is the wielder of the Butterfly, one with extremely dark intentions.

Chloe is childhood friends with Marinette and is severely protective of her since another guy broke Mari's heart a few years back. So immediately, she has a deep-rooted distrust of guys and initially hates Adrien's guts.

Chloe isn't as mean or nasty in this AU because Mari and Sabine have always shown her kindness and affection, making her mother's influence not nearly as bad.

Sabine and Marinette grieve the loss of Tom, who was in a fatal accident.

Chloe is dating Sabrina in this AU. Their relationship is nowhere near as toxic as it is in canon. In fact, they couldn't imagine their lives without each other.

Despite Chloe's distrust of guys, she reluctantly agrees to help Alya and Nino try and get Marinette and Adrien together.

[a-flaming-idiot]

Chloe: "I never hated you, Dupain-Cheng. I want you to know that." Marinette: "Then why did you do it?" Marinette: "The years of tormenting and bullying? Why did you do it if you didn't hate me?!" Chloe: ... Chloe: "I'm wondering the same thing..."

[stars-obsession-pit]

What if Chloe Bourgeois was Stephanie Brown's long lost sister?

I don’t feel entirely confident in my knowledge of either of their characterizations/histories, but here’s an attempt at something!

So, before they even meet, Chloe has some differences due to being adopted.

In some ways she’s worse with her actions in trying to hold her mother’s attention and jealousy of Zoe who is her mother’s actual biological kid. But in other ways she’s better, due to feeling less like she fated to hold her high status and more like she has to earn it through being “Good”

Steph finds out about the connection first, so is the one to reach out to Chloe. Not exactly when this’d best fall in the timelines, but it’s probably either pre-canon or early-canon for Miraculous Ladybug

Chloe… doesn’t know how to feel about this. On one hand, Steph represents an actual blood-familial connection she could lean into (something she’s lacking) that might not have the same “I need to be good enough to earn their care” stress, but on the other she’s still caught up in her own issues about being “good enough” for her mother and is hesitant to act away from her adopted family

But Steph is perceptive enough to notice Chloe’s insecurities and whatnot just from reading their letters. She relates to parts of them (after all, she’d been overconfident and gotten in over her head before, and she recognizes Chloe’s at times arrogant attitude as a sort of defense mechanism), so she pushes for them to keep in contact since she believes that they could become genuinely very close with time.

Thus, they continue sending some messages back and forth, and over time this helps contribute to Chloe further improving as a person.

These changes are actually enough that Ladybug agrees to let Chloe keep using the Bee Miraculous sometimes, though not without some definite stumbles in their interactions along the way

Also would probably have to remove the “Chloe publicly declares her hero identity in one of her plans” thing to work with this

Neither tells the other about their hero work though. Steph can tell that something is up that Chloe isn’t telling (i’m including the crossover trope of an “information block to prevent foreign heroes from rushing in unprepared and getting akumatized” thing), but doesn’t know what and is hesitant to try to pry

A bit further into their communication, they decide they’d like to meet in person at some point.

However, Chloe is nervous about bringing her to Paris because of the Hawkmoth situation, and she’d be unlikely to get permission to go the other way (I could see her mother in particular forbidding it as “a ridiculous diversion” unless she knew Steph knows Bruce Wayne and thus their interactions could have “business potential”), so it gets kinda put off.

But then, after [some notable akuma event, IDK which would be ideal], the idea of her leaving Paris for a bit for safety gets brought up, and she jumps at the chance to push for going to Gotham to meet her sibling.

Well maybe it’s more like she pushes her parents to go to l New York, but then convinces the people she’s staying with there to bring her to Gotham

Alongside talking to Steph, she has another goal with this: to talk to the Bats.

Yeah, she’s still worried about heroes coming into Paris and getting akumatized, but she hopes that as detectives the Bats could give assistance remotely. Specifically, searching for Hawkmoth’s identity and/or base of operations.

And maybe, if she’s lucky, they’ll help her train to be an even more capable hero when she returns to Paris…

[miracleandplagueau]

"Is It too late for me to make that choice?" ✦✦ Miracle and Plague lore

A bit of a sequel to this post and throwback to a doodle from this post here

Let's talk a bit about MnP!Chloe in context of this image alone. I'll admit, I definitely took inspiration from Waiting on a Miracle from Encanto, because It actually kind of reminded me of her conflict.

Chloe has a need to change herself in order to keep herself liked, get things and/or grab attention just like she did for her mother before the Beeginnings arc. It's become natural for her after.. well like 16 years of her life. Change is hard, difficult and she doesn't know If she can become her own person.

So what will this person do when the villains give her an option to become the Queen Bee again - her beloved role? Will she return to her old self to ironically feel the freedom of being a new person or accept that there's no easy way out?

(As I write this I realize that Chloe is eerily similar to Emily and Gabriel in this way. Even BETTER)

((God I fucking love Chloe (can you tell)))

[trashyangelic]

Does anyone wanna take this prompt for Miraculous Ladybug? [If so please tag me or msg me if your going to take this.]

Ideas for Prompts:

Salt/Bashing: Lila Salt, Bustier Salt, Damocles Salt, Alya Bashing, Adrien Bashing Sugar/Redemption: Nino Sugar, Chloe Redemption, Akuma Class Redemption Pairings: Chloe/Nino, Lukagami, Felinette Others: Bad Teacher Caline Bustier, Lila Rossi Exposed, Jealous Adrien, Endgame Felinette

Let's say Lila got exposed by Marinette's Circle Squad (as in Nino, Chloe, Kagami, Alix, Sabrina, Max, Kim, Rose, Nora Cesaire, Juleka, Luka, Felix, and Aurore) while Marinette had stayed home cause her parents is not letting her go to school cause of victim blaming that they got angry on Bustier telling her about their daughter 'to be an example' which really pissed Sabine off.

Sabine is willing to do this to keep her daughter happy but also suing Bustier, Damocles, Lila, Alya, and lastly Adrien even though she didn't want to but she heard enough from her daughter that he is bystanding this whole situation and telling her little girl to 'take a high road' advice which is a horrible advice.

Instead of expelling Lila like she wanted to do she must remain in the school and learn to be an outcast after being outted last Friday when her mother found out about her crimes and trauncy from her classmates but also participating classes by doing her own homework and attend two months of detentions. The police and the School Board Member found something interesting on the school footage then show it to Mrs. Rossi that her daughter is willing to assist terrorist.

As Lila is remain house arrest along with the restraining order from The Dupain-Chengs but also being banned from their bakery except her mother who is a regular customer that comes to the bakery once a while.

As for Bustier and Damocles both got sued by two parents from Marinette after all the stress they gave her she has to go theraphy. Chloe volunteered to be Temporary Ladybug as Dame Taches (Lady Spots) while Marinette goes to theraphy for a good reason for her health being Ladybug for too long was a bit stressful and need a break so she can be the Dragon Miraculous while Kagami became the Temporary Black Cat.

As for the Black Cat Miraculous it was taken away from Chat Noir/Adrien by Ladybug last Sunday about his incompetnent behavior it is now Kagami's job as a temporary Black Cat as Kuroneko. Now for the Bee Miraculous it was lent to Nora Cesaire since she was the only one that Marinette can think of doing instead of Alya since Nora knows the truth what her sister did to Marinette.

Chloe called Amelie Graham de Vanily and Felix to come over to Paris but stay in her hotel than in the Agreste Mansion but told them the whole fiasco with Adrien being passive and other stuff. Chloe also suggested to Marinette to give Felix the Fox Miraculous he will be the Temporary Fox Hero. Since Sabrina has the dog miraculous with her just in case.

Now for Adrien he finally found out thanks to Lila that Marinette likes him. But its far too late for him since Marinette is over with him and her parents doesn't want him near their little girl anymore.

[miraculous-magicalconnections]

Should Queen Bee Change Her Name Post-Redemption?

Okay, so I've been thinking about this for a bit, and I need to get this thought out of my head!

Chloé specifically chooses the name "Queen Bee" because she's just that, the "Queen", she's (technically) royalty, she views herself as above the rest but post-redemption Chloé doesn't

Post-Redemption Chloé sees herself as less-than, like she should've never been held on that pedestal, after all, her mother wanted her to be held that high, not her

So anyway, should she?

(If her getting a new name wins I'll make a poll for her new name since I have a few ideas)

[marinettenoirfan]

Malediktator firmly planted the idea of a Chloé redemption arc in my head. Probably part of the reason I wrote "Ladybug and the Bee" and rewatching it really reminded me that dang, they really had something going there huh?

I love their dynamic in this episode so much. Only with Ladybug does Chloé finally open up and I believe her and Marinette could've eventually had a relationship that strengthened both of them. Rip in peace Chloé redemption arc

[hoardofhyperfixations]

Chloé Bourgeois they could never make me hate you

[waty-art]

Chloé & Marinette dancing at a ball!

[the-delta-42]

Stunned

Stunned

Lila jerked forwards as Marinette pushed her to the ground. The Italian growled, spinning to glare at French-Chinese girl. The look of shock on Chloé’s face made her stop, before she noticed the Akuma towering over them.

Without another word, Lila and Chloé bolted, leaving Marinette with the Akuma. Steal looked at the girl the other two left behind. She recognised her as the girl that got her arrested. A cruel smirk on her face, Steal picked her up, placed a bucket on her head and threw her into the Seine.

Lila and Chloé stopped running after passing a third block. Lila heaved air into her lungs, before Chloé slid down to the ground.

“I…think…we…lost…them.” Panted Lila, her hands on her legs.

“Yeah…good thing Dupain-Cheng was there.” Said Chloé, suddenly making Lila aware that Marinette wasn’t with them.

“Where is she?” Asked Lila, looking back the way they came.

“She was stunned, I think.” Dismissed Chloé, getting to her feet and dusting herself off, “I don’t care where she is, I’ve got more important things to worry about.”

Chloé sauntered off, leaving Lila behind. The Italian stood still, thinking her possible courses of action over. If she left Marinette at the mercy of the Akuma, she’d be down a liability. But Marinette took a hit for her. It’s not like Lila is responsible for what happens to the person next to you during an Akuma attack. For all she knew, Marinette could have just saved Lila’s life.

Biting back a groan, Lila headed back the way she came.

S

Marinette struggled to hold her breath, she couldn’t move her arms of her legs, she couldn’t see and she was underwater. Marinette’s bucket was full of water, and Marinette was craving air. She needed to head up. But which way was up? How was she supposed to do that is she couldn’t move her limbs. Marinette’s mind started to get foggy, sending Marinette into a disaster spiral and, without thinking, Marinette breathed in.

S

Chloé scowled at her phone. Her manicure appointment wasn’t for another hour, which no doubt was now delayed because of the Akuma. Chloé’s mind went back to Marinette. She took a hit for her and Lila and she just ran away.

Chloé stewed for a couple of minutes, before getting up and running to where Marinette was.

Lila skidded to a halt, finding Marinette to be gone. There was a wet patch next to the bank. Lila froze and her heart sunk. The Akuma couldn’t’ve thrown Marinette into the Seine, could they?

A small bubble confirmed Lila’s thoughts and, without a second’s hesitation, Lila shed her jacket and bag and dived into the Seine. The water stung Lila’s eyes, but she quickly located Marinette. Swimming down and grabbing Marinette’s prone leg, Lila pulled her close to her and started to swim back up to the surface. Lila tried to lift Marinette up when she reached the bank, only to lose her grip and nearly drop her. A pair of hands quickly grabbed Marinette and started to haul her up, Lila dove and got underneath Marinette, pushing her up.

Chloé dragged Marinette’s prone form away from the bank, with Lila hauling herself up.

“You,” Lila coughed, “You need to get that bucket off her head.”

Chloé rolled her eyes and lifted Marinette’s head up, freezing when water spilled out from around Marinette’s head. Acting fast, Chloé pulled the bucket off and tried to listen for Marinette breathing. Nothing. She moved her head to Marinette’s chest, trying to hear for a heartbeat. Again, nothing.

Chloé immediately started doing chest compressions, as Lila finished wringing her hair out.

“What are you doing?” Asked Lila, flinching as she heard Marinette’s chest crack.

“CPR.” Grunted Chloé, “You need to give her mouth to mouth.”

“Why?!” Demanded Lila, glaring at Chloé.

She sighed, impatiently, “It’s two fold,” Chloé grunted, “this works for the heart, and the mouth-to-mouth inflates her lungs, so, fucking help!”

Lila rolled her eyes, pulling Marinette’s mouth open and reared back when water spilled out.

“Remember to plug her nose.” Heaved Chloé, “Take a deep breath and force it down her throat.”

Lila stared at Chloé.

“NOW!” Shrieked Chloé, prompting Lila into action.

Pinching Marinette’s nose shut, Lila covered Marinette’s mouth with her own.

S

Chat ducked as Tazer tried to hit him, Ladybug had yet to turn up, but he knew she’d turn up, she always did.

“Down!” Yelled a voice.

Ladydragon tackled him out of the way of a blast, the two heroes skidded to a stop.

“What are you doing here?” Blurted Chat, as Ladydragon got to her feet.

“I heard Majesta was going to be here and I wanted her autograph.” Panted Ladydragon, rolling of one side, “Where’s Ladybug?”

“I…I don’t know.” Confessed Chat, “she’s usually here by now.”

Ladydragon froze, before looking around. Tazer hit the ground between them, sending them flying. The Akuma sauntered up to them, only to be tackled by a cream-coloured blur.

Eagle and Knightowl landed next to the other heroes.

“You said you could handle things.” Snapped Knightowl, hauling Chat to his feet.

“We can,” Growled Chat, as Uncanny Valley joined them, “Ladybug hasn’t turned up.”

Knightowl tutted, before looking at Uncanny Valley. The Android looked around, scanning for Ladybug.

“I’m unable to locate her.” Said Uncanny Valley, looking at Knightowl, “She may be out of range.”

Knightowl tutted again, as Uncanny Valley scanned again.

S

Chloé and Lila leaned away from Marinette, she wasn’t breathing and neither of them could hear a heartbeat. A faint flashing drew their attention to Marinette’s ears, the earrings no longer looked like black studs.

A moment later, a small red and black thing was floating in front of them.

“No fucking way.” Lila swore, staring at the Kwami.

“Dupain-Cheng’s Ladybug?!” Demanded Chloé, immediately reaching for the earrings.

“Don’t.” Said Tikki, glaring at them, “If you put those on, they will tear you apart. Both of you.”

Chloé and Lila stared at Tikki, who continued to glare at them.

“But,” Tikki glanced at Marinette’s prone form, “since these are extenuating circumstances, both of you are going to have to take one earring each.”

S

Chat ducked as Ladydragon and Eagle were thrown into Majesta and Knightowl. He rolled his eyes when Knightowl tutted again, he considered using Cataclysm, but Ladybug still hadn’t arrived.

“She’s really professional, isn’t she?” Snarled Knightowl, as Chat slid under Tazer, as a second Akuma joined the fight.

“Where were you?” Asked Tazer, getting a smirk from Steal.

“Settling a debt.” Two yoyos suddenly wrapped themselves around Steal and pulled her backwards.

“Oh, thank god M’La-” Chat stared at the two girls, before snarling, “Who are you? And where’s Ladybug?”

The blonde looked at the Brunette, before swallowing, “I’m…Scarlet Lady and this is…”

“Harlequinn.”

“Ladybug’s, kinda been hurt.”

“What do you mean hurt?” Demanded Knightowl, just as Uncanny Valley contacted them.

“I’ve found Ladybug.”

Majesta stiffened at the sadness in her daughter’s voice.

“What’s wrong?” Demanded Majesta, as everyone stared at the communicator.

“Ladybug’s lungs are filled with water,” Reported Uncanny Valley, “She’s not breathing, and I am unable to detect a heartbeat. I’ve managed to stimulate her brain enough to prevent brain death.”

Chat swallowed, before looking at Scarlet and Harlequinn, “What did you do?!”

“Hey,” Snapped Harlequinn, “it was the Akuma, not us!”

Chat huffed, before looking at Steal, who was still tied up, while they were distracted, Eagle had managed to subdue Tazer, as Chat looking at Scarlet Lady and Harlequinn, “So, which one of you has the Lucky Charm?”

Harlequinn held up a red and black spotted mask, before she handed it to Scarlet Lady. Chat turned to the Akumas and located their objects. Breaking them, the two Ladybug wielders caught the Akumas and, barely, purified them.

Scarlet bit her bottom lip and tossed the mask into the air, the cure shakily making its way around the city.

“Ladybug’s just coughed up water, I’m taking her to a hospital.” Reported Uncanny Valley, prompting Chat to hold his hand out to the two Ladybug wielders.

“The Miraculous.” Chat glared, “Now.”

Reluctantly, Scarlet Lady and Harlequinn removed the earrings and held them out to Chat. Chat cast a glare at Chloé and Lila, before racing off to catch up with Uncanny Valley.

“Eagle, escort them home.” Said Knightowl, going to grab on of the Akuma victims.

Eagle nodded, and grabbed their arms, “Come on.”

S

Marinette shook with the deep, chesty coughs.

Adrien held a cup of water out to her, gently rubbing her back.

“It hurts.” Rasped Marinette, spitting out so phlegm.

“It’s a chest infection.” Said Alya, dropping onto the end of Marinette’s bed, “You had polluted water in your lungs for the better part of an hour. Thank god Uncanny Valley was there.”

“Thank god for Tikki’s bluff.” Responded Adrien, “Tricking Chloé and Lila into thinking that wearing bath earrings would destroy them.”

“I wasn’t bluffing.” Said Tikki, from Marinette’s hair, “If either of them had put on both earrings, then they’d be like a bag of soup.”

They were silent, excluding Marinette’s coughs.

“How can we be sure they won’t tell anyone?” Asked Adrien, looking between Alya and Marinette.

“Who would believe them?” Retorted Alya, raising her eyebrows, “Lila’s already a known liar and Chloé isn’t much better. Both of them are known for not being on civil terms with Marinette also.”

Adrien sighed through his nose, “I hope you’re right. Since Marinette can’t exactly defend herself now.”

Meanwhile, across the city, Lila had come clean to her parents and Chloé was speaking with a therapist.

[awholelotofladybug]

Something New 5: A Stammering Adrien AU Moment

Based on this AU.

School is back in session and after a bizarre encounter with their counterparts from another universe, Marinette and Adrien decide to try out a new look, at least on occasion.

(featuring outfits from the Paris Special and artwork by @optigami

Adrienette: *dressed in the same emo outfits their alternate selves wore) TA-DAAAA!

Nino: Woah, dude.

Alya: What's with the emo look, girl?

Marinette: Isn't it cool? That me from that other universe said I could try her look.

Alya: *looks to Adrien* Adrien?

Adrien: S-S-S-Same. Cool, huh? I feel so edgy and rebellious.

Marinette: Totally. We're soooo edgy. *giggles like a schoolgirl*

Alya: *smiles and rolls her eyes* Mari, Adrien, I love you both, but you two are about as edgy as a Valentine's Day teddy bear.

Adrienette: *blush before someone bumped into them*

Marinette: Oops! *scrambles to help student with their books and papers* Sorry! We weren't paying attention!

Adrien: *doing the same* Yeah, we're really sorry for... *sees who it is* Chloé?

Chloé: *groans, wearing a new outfit* Oh, h-hey, guys...

Nino: This is... Different. Since when do you wear glasses?

Alya: Or long skirts?

Marinette: Or buttoned up your cardigans?

Adrien: Or wear your ponytail d-d-d-down?

Chloé: *turning bright red and shielding her face* Look, I was in a hurry to get here, I couldn't find my contacts, and my designer clothes are being cleaned, so can we PLEASE not bring too much attention to this? I know I look awful, and...

Marinette: Awful? Chloé, you look ADORABLE!

Chloé: W-What?

Adrien: Yeah. This is a g-g-g-great look for you.

Alya: Yeah, honey, you pull it off very well.

Chloé: B-But I look so... Plain.

Luka: *walks up to them* Sometimes plain works. Just ask Sabrina or Mylene.

Chloé: Well, yeah, they can pull it off, but I... *blushes again* You really think I look good?

Luka: I think you look great, honey-bunny.

Chloé: *rubs her arm sheepishly and giggles*

[just-an-ari]

hi please rant to me about chloé's dead redemption arc I've been her fan since 2015 and I'm so 😠 😡 😤

I feel the need to preface this rant by saying "THIS IS NOT WHAT YALL ARE GONNA EXPECT" because while I want Chloe's redemption, I don't mind that they haven't done it yet (I will be utterly devastated if they don't give her one though).

I think the way her destroyed redemption arc was handled was horribly. They continued to build her character higher and higher and they brought her crashing back down for all the wrong reasons, and I don't understand Astruc's hate for Chloe. I don't mind that she didn't yet get one though because progression isn't linear and sometimes it really does take one person to turn your life around, or make it come crashing down. If there's one thing we learned from knowing Chloe as a character, it's that she needs attention (and has abandonment issues). She's not a bad person, just poorly taken care of by her parental figures and poorly treated by the producers. HOWEVER- it paved the way for Zoe to be introduced. (And Astruc is no longer making big decisions on the show so I'm hoping that influences things.) I know some don't like that Zoe was introduced as part of the cast, but Queen Bee having stayed as a prominent superhero of Paris would've altered the course of both of the following seasons pretty drastically in terms of guardianship of the miracle box (and so on so forth...) Zoe and Chloe are also two sides of the same coin. The big difference there was that Zoe understood that she shouldn't treat others that way because she was being treated horribly before hand, while Chloe was neglected and giving everything- making her entitled. What I'd like to imagine though, is that, Zoe telling Chloe that she loves her even if the whole world hates her? (ep. Queen Banana) that's some foreshadowing (not to mention that Chloe looked absolutely gobsmacked that those words were directed at her). In the same episode, Marinette is also optimistic- which- while doesn't do anyone much good in season five... may do some good in season 6. Chloe's end of the season (5) breakdown when she realises that she has nobody left on her side (to control, or to have as a friend) is devastating and might just make her reevaluate herself and change for the better (maybe even with Zoe's help) and mature. Chloe, in her short period of redemption did exceptionally well, which is why I don't doubt she'll do so much better after maturing. Because that's exactly what happened. Marinette/Ladybug dangled false hope in front of her (she's trying her best though) and pushed her into becoming a better version of herself without the self-reflection needed. She didn't mature in that time period. Also- they are just 14??? Some might not even yet be 14 because they might be born later on in the year. Chloe could have her redemption a lot further from now that it would make sense because they're still just children who are being manipulated by an adult (s?)- an ADULT(S) WHO KNOW how to manipulate her because she was friend's WITH HIS SON and know exactly what goes on in her life. All this to say, I love Chloe and I want her to be happy, but if they botch it or her sibling relationship, I will reign hell on this studio <3

[chivalricmaiden]

I'm still hung up on Season 2.

Yeah yeah, I get it, "Chloe's supposed to be horrible, she's so good as a bitchy brat!" and "not every character needs to be a Zuko!" However, the 180 flip Season 3 after all that development made zero sense; I never saw the writing chip away at it.

Literally I would have no problem with Chloe as she is now if they properly showcased her regression. I remember hating her ass so much but now she's one of my faves. I see fans saying that people like her are always going to be irredeemable, which is exactly what I feared.

When you instill that kind of life lesson into a show, your viewers' perceptions are going to be affected. People change and it's horrible to bring up someone's past after they've turned around. Forgiveness is never obligatory and victims have a right to turn them away.

But when someone genuinely wants to start a new chapter and all you want to do is bring up their past over and over, making sure that they'll rot forever — that seems dreadful for not just them, but also yourself. Vengeance does things for many people, and sometimes it makes you the very person you wanted to avoid becoming.

I see a lot of the fandom pointing out of Chloe's ignorant remark in Season One where she told Marinette's uncle to "go make sushi like everyone else." That's racist to me, chief. I can't and won't defend that. But I don't think that should make a person any less deserving of becoming better. And remember, you NEVER have to forgive those actions.

But I guess that doesn't matter currently, right? Chloe back to square one and Thomas says that she refuses to be better. Now that is a valuable lesson I can get behind — You can't help people if they aren't willing to change themselves. Marinette owes Chloe nothing and she isn't supposed to coddle her. But as I said before, the execution of this was sloppy and could easily be misconstrued as that "bad people are bad, no matter what you do."

It's also weird that they marketed Queen Bee as a HERO and sold her merch only for the show to go LOL she's evil now. Now it's a scramble to replace everything with Vesperia, but the inital marketing still made an impact. The kids that bought Chloe's stuff... It sucks knowing that they adored a character that seemed to be changing for the better only for that to not be the case in the end.

Just food for thought. I don't even like Miraculous anymore and only come to it for the nostalgia. It's an awful feeling knowing a show that came out when I was in elementary is spiraling downhill. The show doesn't owe me an arc at all, but I just want the folks working on it to consider the bad execution. This can be something to keep in mind for future productions.