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#I need Zuko fucking becoming the Sun because that’s like funny and sad at the same time so if you guys have any of that good shit hit me up
purpleteethh · 1 month
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You guys have any zukka fics where Zuko just straight up turns into the fucking sun 
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thevictorianghost · 4 years
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The ATLA Comics and the Character Assassination of Zuko’s, Aang’s and Katara’s character arcs (in one page!)
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Thank you to Emma/jerkbendinq on Twitter for providing me this image!
Look. I knew the ATLA comics were bad. I’d heard, per example, about what they’d done to the Southern Water Tribe. And, especially, the glorification of industrialization in a world where bending exists, which leads to Northern Water Tribe imperalism and colonization. Others have talked about this in depth and have the tools to talk about these topics.
But THIS! THIS I want to talk about!
Let’s start with this. I know nothing about the context of this scene. But I don’t need context. Because there is SO MUCH TO UNPACK HERE. 
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But we do, John Mulaney.
Oooooh, but we do. 
I have too much time on my hands.
I felt so viscerally pissed when I read this that I decided to write this meta. 
So here we go.
Let’s analyze this. Line by line.
Zuko: If you ever see me turning into my father, I want you to... I want you to end me.
Aang: What?!
Up ‘till now, not that bad. Aang’s character’s integrity is kept intact for the moment. Remember the pacifistic monk who didn’t want to kill Ozai? I think he’s here in this reaction. 
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Aang: No, I'm not gonna end it like this.
All right. 
But the emphasis on the words end me make me really uncomfortable. This doesn’t feel like Zuko talking. Somehow, these words feel like they could fit more coming out of Azula’s mouth than anyone else’s. 
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Azula: You mean it’s not obvious yet? I’m about to celebrate becoming an only child!
But we’ve barely started.
Let’s continue to the next panel.
Zuko: Even now, after everything that’s happened, my family’s legacy is still a part of me.
I’M SORRY??!? 
Is this somehow a bastardized version of this scene from The Avatar and the Firelord??!?
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Iroh: Because understanding the struggle between your two great-grandfathers can help you better understand the battle within yourself. Evil and good are always at war inside you, Zuko. It is your nature, your legacy. But, there is a bright side. What happened generations ago can be resolved now, by you. Because of your legacy, you alone can cleanse the sins of our family and the Fire Nation. Born in you, along with all the strife, is the power to restore balance to the world.
(I don’t particularly like this dichotomy either. Good and evil aren’t battling within Zuko. It’s his struggle between doing the righ thing and doing the wrong thing that is. But whatever. I’ll let THAT slide.)
What happened to the “bright side” in the comics?? What happened to the power Zuko has within himself to restore balance to the world?? His entire character growth somehow doesn’t matter anymore because of his father’s and his forefathers’ legacies? The “good” in him doesn’t matter anymore?? 
What happened to THIS scene?!
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Katara: You mean, after all Roku and Sozin went through together, even after Roku showed him mercy, Sozin betrayed him like that‌?
Toph: It's like these people are born bad.
Aang: No, that's wrong. I don't think that was the point of what Roku showed me at all.
Sokka: Then what was the point?
Aang: Roku was just as much Fire Nation as Sozin was, right? If anything, their story proves anyone's capable of great good and great evil. Everyone, even the Fire Lord and the Fire Nation have to be treated like they're worth giving a chance. 
Or this?!
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Zuko: For so long, all I wanted was for you to love me, to accept me. I thought it was my honor I wanted, but really, I was just trying to please you. You, my father, who banished me just for talking out of turn. How could you possibly justify a duel with a child?
Ozai: It was to teach you respect!
Zuko: It was cruel! And it was wrong.
Ozai: Then you have learned nothing.
Zuko: No, I've learned everything! And I've had to learn it on my own! Growing up, we were taught that the Fire Nation was the greatest civilization in history. And somehow, the War was our way of sharing our greatness with the rest of the world. What an amazing lie that was. The people of the world are terrified by the Fire Nation. They don't see our greatness. They hate us! And we deserve it!  We've created an era of fear in the world. And if we don't want the world to destroy itself, we need to replace it with an era of peace and kindness.
What happened to Zuko’s stand against Ozai during the Day of Black Sun?? What happened to Zuko’s entire character arc from Book 2 onwards?? Suddenly, because he has his father’s blood in his veins, he’s doomed to carry his legacy? What happened to Zuko creating his OWN destiny, to change the world??
Sigh.
This wasn’t the most insulting line in that entire paragraph, though. 
THIS WAS.
Zuko: That’s why it’s my duty to heal the scars that the Fire Nation has left on the world.
I BEG YOUR PARDON?!?
NOTICE THE EMPHASIS I PUT ON THE WORD SCARS?!?
They keep comparing Ozai with Zuko THIS ENTIRE TIME. He’s terrified of failing the Fire Nation. He’s terrified of failing the world. He’s terrified of failing Aang and the Four Nations.
Zuko is terrified of becoming his genocidal abusive father.
AND SUDDENLY THEY BRING UP SCARS??!?
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SCARS??
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FUCKING SCARS???!?
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(But we’ll come back to Katara.)
Let’s keep going or I’ll combust on the spot.
Zuko: But the Fire Lord’s throne comes with a lot of pressures.
Two things about this line.
First of all. It... bothers me that Zuko uses the term “the Fire Lord’s throne” instead of “my throne”. It’s like he still hasn’t accepted he’s the Fire Lord. Zuko’s throne doesn’t feel like it belongs to an individual who is allowed choices in this scene. It’s like he believes he’s all the Fire Lords who were his predecessors. And knowing that he thinks he carries his family’s legacy like a weight on his shoulders... that doesn’t bode well.
And second of all. Where is Iroh in all of this? What happened to Iroh’s mentorship? His kind words to remind Zuko that he can rake control of his own destiny? Is he still in Ba Sing Se? Taking care of the Jasmine Dragon? Has he completely left Zuko alone, enough so that the only person he can ever confide in is Aang, who has Avatar duties to fill?
What happened to this?
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Iroh: You know Prince Zuko, destiny is a funny thing. You never know how things are going to work out. But if you keep an open mind, and an open heart, I promise you will find your own destiny someday.
Or this??
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Iroh: I was never angry with you. I was sad because I was afraid you lost your way. And you did it by yourself.  And I am so happy you found your way here.
(Can anyone give Zuko a hug?? Please??)
Or even THIS??
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Iroh: No. Someone new must take the throne. An idealist with a pure heart  and unquestionable honor. It has to be you, Prince Zuko.
Zuko: Unquestionable honor? But I've made so many mistakes.
Iroh: Yes, you have. You've struggled; you've suffered, but you have always followed your own path. You restored your own honor, and only you can restore the honor of the Fire Nation.
Oof. Okay. Let’s keep going.
Zuko: And if I’m being honest with myself... I need a safety net. The world needs a safety net. That’s what I need you to be, Aang. The safety net.
Again. Two things about this line.
What does Zuko mean when he says “the world needs a safety net”? What does he think ending him will accomplish for the world? Zuko’s DEATH could leave an opening for Ozai to take the throne! Because again, Aang has refused to kill Ozai in cold blood! As Iroh has said MULTIPLE TIMES by now and as Zuko has said himself, HE CAN RESTORE BALANCE TO THE WORLD TOO. It doesn’t all revolve around Aang. 
Speaking of Aang, here’s the second thing. Of course, Aang is the Avatar. But he himself alone couldn’t end the war during Sozin’s Comet. Zuko and Katara, Suki and Sokka and Toph, and the Order of the White Lotus all participated. Why should Aang be the only one to take this godawful decision? Why??
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What happened to cooperation?? What happened to the Four Nations working together to end the Hundred Year War?? 
On to the next line.
Aang: Zuko, you're not your dad! And you're my friend! How can you expect me--"
One more time. Two things about this scene.
First of all, I’m going to be sarcastic, here. Forgive me, but I have to. 
Thank you, Aang, for pointing out that Zuko is NOT his father and that YES, you ARE his friend. 
Let’s go back to Aang’s speech at the end of the Avatar and the Fire Lord.
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Aang: And I also think it was about friendships.
Toph: Do you really think friendships can last more than one lifetime?
Aang: I don't see why not.
Sokka: Well, scientifically speaking, there's no way to prove that...
Katara: Oh, Sokka, just hold hands.
If friendships can last more than one lifetime... why do you have to remind Zuko that you’re his friend, Aang? At least you’re not considering downright killing him and you don’t want to do this, you know!
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Does that mean that if he wasn’t your friend and that if he was like Ozai, you’d kill him, though? Is that what you’re trying to say? Because the LAST time you were confronted with the idea of killing someone who WAS LIKE Ozai, oh no wait, who WAS Ozai, you said this!
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Aang: This isn't a joke, Sokka! None of you understand the position I'm in.
Katara: Aang, we do understand. It's just ...
Aang: Just what, Katara? What?
Katara: We're trying to help!
Aang: Then, when you figure out a way for me to beat the Fire Lord without taking his life, I'd love to hear it!
What happened to that? 
Hm?
Next line. Once again.
Zuko: As your friend, I'm asking you -- if you ever see me go bad, end me. Promise me, Aang.
Again with these characters having to remind each other that they’re friends! Do you stop being friends while travelling the world and have to remind each other that you’re friends once you meet again? Is that it? (/s)
But that’s not what’s bothering me about this line.
What has Katara said since the beginning of this page?
Absolutely. Nothing.
And this line simply states that Aang is Zuko’s friend. But what about Katara? Are they still friends? They don’t interact much. She barely looks at him this entire page. They don’t talk. This whole scene is about Zuko and Aang. What is Katara doing here? Why is she here?
Oh. Wait.
The ONLY THING Katara does in this entire page...
When Aang looks at her, wondering what to do...
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SHE NODS.
SHE. NODS.
She gives Aang the push in the right direction to... wait for it...
MURDER ZUKO WITH HIS BARE HANDS!
Is this supposed to be a callback to THIS scene??
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Katara: You might have everyone else here buying your ... transformation, but you and I both know you've struggled with doing the right thing in the past. So let me tell you something, right now. You make one step backward, one slip-up, give me one reason to think you might hurt Aang, and you won't have to worry about your destiny anymore. Because I'll make sure your destiny ends... right then and there. Permanently.
Then what happened to this??
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Or this???
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Katara: I didn't forgive him. I'll never forgive him. But I am ready to forgive you.
Not only is it that KATARA AGREES TO MURDER ZUKO, she does it while being ENTIRELY SILENT. She never talks. She only nods. Katara has been reduced to become Aang’s silent advisor. 
What happened to THIS girl??!
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Katara: I will never, ever turn my back on people who need me!
Or THIS girl?
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Zuko: Katara! How would you like to help me put Azula in her place?
Katara: It would be my pleasure.
Or THIS girl?
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Katara: ZUKO!
THIS GIRL?
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THIS GIRL??!?
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(*Bangs head against keyboard*)
And on to the final line. The nail in the coffin.
Aang: ... Fine. I promise.
There we are. He’s accepted it. He’s going to do it if he has to. He’s promised, right? Aang just... gives in. At least Aang doesn’t look thrilled at the idea of doing this. Which isn’t what I can say about Katara. Who looks damn ready to end Zuko right now if that’s necessary. Not that she says anything. 
But the simple fact that they are, THE THREE OF THEM, considering this SUICIDE PACT... 
...is infuriating.
Then we end with a view of the starry night sky as fireworks come to life.
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Yeah, right. Sure. Talk about reading the room here, folks.
So let me recap ALL OF THIS.
Zuko is a character who has been abused for years by his father, burned at the age of thirteen and sent on a quest to find the Avatar. During the show, he learns that he doesn’t have to obey his father, that he can make his own choices and create his own destiny and legacy. He’ll be the new Fire Lord who will usher the Fire Nation in an era of peace, helped by Iroh and his friends.
Aang is a pacifist who refuses to kill Ozai, Zuko’s aforementioned abusive and genocidal father. Killing is not the answer for him; he desperately wants to find a way out, enough so that he gets into a fight with his friends about the mere idea of killing Ozai. He values his friends dearly and learns that the world doesn’t only rely on himself, that he has friends he can count upon. 
Katara is a warrior girl who doesn’t back down from a fight. After many trials and trebulations, after being betrayed by Zuko and forgiving him in the end, she has become one of Zuko’s closest friends and allies, especially in their fight against Azula. She’s not afraid to voice her opinions and will never turn her back on people who need her.
But according to the comics... none of that seems to be true!
Or didn’t we watch the same show?
What happened to all of that? What happened to these characters?
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I dunno.
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You tell me.
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pendrcgn · 4 years
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no because what the fuck.
can we talk about soren for a minute because i’ve been thinking about soren a lot lately and the more i think about him and his character the more sad and devastated i become for him
i have a love hate relationship with soren. i still haven’t gotten over the poor choices he has made in the past because they were VERY poor but i’m still very proud of him for understanding the difference between wrong and right eventually. soren was never evil and isn’t evil but his father lord virus had misguided him. claudia and lord venom took a path into dark magic but soren didn’t want that because he wanted to save lives, not end them. so soren joined the dragon guard and trained to protect the innocent rather than kill the innocent. but then he grows up. claudia always got the love soren always wanted. lord vacuum saw soren as a pawn but he saw claudia as his daughter which ???? what the fuck in itself.
so soren, when given the mission to kill the princes, took that as an opportunity to make his father proud that maybe if he could do this task his father might show him the love he’s always wanted. i’m gonna cry oh my god. but ANYWAY soren wanted to do believe that his dad did love him, he just needed to coax that love out. so they set off to find callum and ezran and on the way there he burned down a city almost single handedly. i didn’t need to include that but i think it’s so funny how dumb he can be. he irritated a fire breathing dragon.... soren honey what did you expect.
after burning down a city and fighting the dragon he just irritated, soren goes back to lord velveeta and surprise surprise lord vicious is all like “oh he was paralyzed, broke his spine, cut off the horn of a dragon and was in critical condition? well guess what, i didn’t ask did you kill them or not.” he saw soren as nothing but a chess piece. like dude that’s your SON. and the whole “THAT DOESNT MATTER!” “....dad?” LIKE WHAT WAS THAT. also idk if anyone caught this but when lord vidcon said THAT DOESNT MATTER and the you see his chain tighten, yeah you also see his hands move upward.... if viren wasn’t in chains he would’ve resorted to physical violence on his own children.
this has gotten very off track but it’s all tied to where i’m getting at- at that moment in time when soren’s OWN FATHER claimed that his life didn’t matter that his life was not worth saving he knew his father didn’t love him and that moment is what set him off into a choice of eventually choosing the side against his father. the reason being is because deep down soren knew his father was a monster, a villain but he was afraid to admit it because addmiting it, makes it real. but that moment he didn’t have to admit because he was shown just how evil lord vacuous can be.
at the sun kingdom he saw what he was turning the soldiers into and his fear grew. he ran away and joined the dragang, he admitted to his father being a villain and he knew he needed to stop him. and that’s what we get in the stabbing scene. oh my god there is so much to break down with this scene.
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soren said “because now i know the right thing to do.” and that line is just so special because the right thing he was told to do was kill the ezran but the right thing he was believed to do was protect him. and he was ready to do so no matter what the cost.
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soren stabbed vacation with almost no hesitation and his hand was shaking. he dropped to the floor and just stared at his hands. how could i do that? did i really just kill him? my own father?
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he was so devastated at how he could do that because the whole reason he joined the dragom guard was to avoid ending lives but i guess he knew at some point ending a life was the cost of protecting one. he just didn’t know the life he would end would be viren’s.
soren’s whole arc was very similar to zuko’s in a way. he wanted love and respect from his father, the love and respect his sister was getting instead of him, but as he made mistakes and stood up to his father he realized that he didn’t need the love of a villain. he didn’t want respect from a monster like his father. he went from capturing animals to freeing them and working against his father instead of with him. his father controlled and influenced his decisions, decisions that hurt the people he eventually befriended. but he apologized for his mistakes and helped save the world. he is literally zuko but zuko is emo soren and and soren is jock zuko AND THEY BOTH HAVE SWORDS. and the animal they capture and free ends up being apart of his journey to good oh my god.
but yeah the whole point of this was to break down soren’s arc and character- he was misguided by his lack of affection from the one parent he had and that really affected him in his actions and i think that’s so important to display- that just because someone is trained to not give into emotion, doesn’t mean they won’t show it.
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