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so a new yearly adventure 'bout to drop and half of the players are already simping for ithelia while another half is grieving her boring design. me? i'm more interested in the fact that zenimax gave us a lore-friendly way to make our own dardric prince ocs and uuuh lemme just grab a sketchbook real quick and cook up an opposite to mepahala and probably/possibly her twin whose sphere are energies of the afterlife, death and being the shepherd of the undead and the restless dead 👀 and maybe a babygirl of a dardric prince who is the opposite of hircine and oversees the wild beauty of natural world, shapeshifers, sentient trees and talking animals, and mysteries of wild magic and secrets of the untouched wilderness, who has the bottom half of a deer whereas hircine has a head of an elk🦌 ooh! maybe even some opposite to namira whose domain is beauty, poetry and all that is aesthetically pleasing and dreamy and nice who may look like one of those fairies with butterfly wings all over them 🧚♀️
anyways, feck the lore, i'm here to 100% milk herma mora's ability to just "conveniently hide" entire dardric princes outside of reality thus making any and all stupid little dardric blorbo ocs we make "technically lore-friendly"
#*scribbles down a sexyman and a babygirl*#hehe#but tbh i think this changes my own skyrim lore!!!#see the mentor of the last dragonborn was the last ayleid scholar whose entire immortal life was spent recording events on tamriel#and collecting a whole Librarium of books of his own writing that herma mora would reaaaally love to have#and so he just spent his whole existance chilling in a pocket realm of oblivion being hidden from herma mora#thats where he kept yollokmir too while they awaited for alduin to pop back into existence#since hurling the bitch forward in time was not a normal course of events he decided to intervene and help the last dragonborn#i SUPPOSED that him being under the wing of meridia made sence since before this damn cinematic dropped SHE was a supposed nemesis of herma#NOW it would seem that putting the boy into ithelia's side of the hood would make more sence since her domain os basically hidden stuff#mayhaps old man was at the moment of the spell being cast within her realm and thus avoided the amnesia?#I'll have to do some rewriting...#oh well...#*dreamily thinks about all the daedra prince ocs i can make now*#elder scrolls online#eso#zenimax#bethesda#daedra#daedric prince#the elder scrolls#tes v#tes 5#skyrim#fanfic related#writing related#fanfic: Fronkriid#oc related#alasil the watcher
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Sarevok's situation with Rieltar and the Iron Throne
There's a lot of room for guessing the details of Sarevok's life in the Iron Throne, but you have the outline of his situation. It's not as good as one might expect for the son of a leader, and it's vital in shaping his character. Sarevok becomes who he is because of his past and current situation. He's a character with depth, nuances, ambitions and motivations, not a flat, cardboard villain planted on his throne in an underground sewer, waiting for the murder race of 1492 DR.
This got way too long, you've been warned.
Because Baldur's Gate 1 has been out for so long, you tend to forget that Sarevok being the greater mastermind of the evil plot is a twist in the story. From the prologue, you know about the 'ominous figure', but not who he is, and it falls in the background when you get into the iron crisis- a crisis that has nothing to do with Gorion's ward. Sarevok is the foster son of Rieltar Anchev, a leader within the Iron Throne. It's a criminal organization where Sarevok is a member, but not a leader. It should be a cushy position, but it isn't. Let's see why.
First, let's recall the setting of Sarevok being adopted by Rieltar:
Sarevok is a homeless, orphaned child. He describes himself as an 'urchin', meaning he likely resorted to stealing and other mischief to live on the streets.
Rieltar is a wealthy man, a 'higher-up' within the Iron Throne, a mercantile organization with shady practices, a gang of sorts, closer to bandits than merchants.
I don't think I need to spell out how dodgy the whole thing is.
How Sarevok gets adopted is left up to the player, but a few things are certain. Sarevok is part of a vulnerable population, while Rieltar is of the upper class. Sarevok has no person nor structure to turn to should he need help. As a child, he entirely depends on Rieltar. Hunger, thirst, housing, clothes, other material needs and various threats that comes with being a homeless child, all of this gets taken care of if Sarevok stays with Rieltar. It's priceless, and a child wouldn't think past no longer being cold or hungry. Sarevok is affiliated to the Iron Throne from a young age, when he couldn't decide otherwise.
Sarevok is not a leader. it's his foster father's, Rieltar, who is the leader of the western branch of the Iron Throne. The 'chief of operations'. He has two co-leaders with him, Brunos Costak and Thaldorn Tenhevich. Sarevok is the commander of their mercenary forces of the region, one of Rieltar's officer. Compared to Rieltar's own status, Sarevok's role is minor. There isn't as much nepotism going on as you might expect from a criminal organization passing off as a legitimate mercantile group.
The first time Sarevok is mentioned, he's a passing name in a letter found in the bandit camp, not a master mind- and that's how it was supposed to be.
Tazok, I have noticed that your shipments of iron have slowed of late. It is imperative that we receive another ton of ore. Step up your raids, and get a shipment to our base in Cloakwood within the next week. We need to stockpile as much ore as possible before our ultimatum is given. Also, Sarevok wants to know what has happened with the band of mercenaries. Have they been killed? You had better ensure that they have been, as Sarevok will not take kindly to any other news. Davaeorn
It's the first hint you get that he isn't like the rest of the Iron Throne. His own focus is more on the mercenaries disrupting the iron plot, more than the plot itself.
One interesting thing here:
"You had better ensure that they have been, as Sarevok will not take kindly to any other news."
-> Davaeorn is threatening Tazok with Sarevok, but Davaeorn himself isn't worried. Davaeorn could be nervous that Sarevok, son of the big boss, may cause him trouble if he doesn't get what he wants, but he isn't. No reason to think Sarevok is anything more than another Throne member.
After defeating Davaeorn, you find letters on him from Rieltar himself. In one, Sarevok's role and title are clearly stated:
"Davaeorn, Our plans go smoothly. Sarevok has arrived from our headquarters in Ordulin. He brings news from our superiors; they are pleased with our progress so far. I plan to place Sarevok as the commander of our mercenary forces in the region. He has already sent his subordinate, Tazok, to the Wood of Sharp Teeth to take command of the forces located there. Things go apace here in Baldur's Gate. We have placed our first agent among the ranks of the Seven Suns trading coster. Rieltar Flamerule, 1367"
It's not said in the letter that Sarevok is Rieltar's son. He is going to be named commander of the mercenary forces of the region. It's a new title, so I'd say his previous rank was equal or lower.
During your first stay in Baldur's Gate, you discover Sarevok is the foster son of Rieltar Anchev. Being the son of a wealthy man explains how Sarevok manages to get within the noble circles of the city for his popularity campaign, which I talked about in another post. Here's one interesting thing I got from this:
"From what I've heard, the new man with the Iron Throne, Sarevok, is an unmarried man."
-> He's considered new, however, the story starts in Mirthul (May) 1368, and from Sarevok's diary and another letter, you know he's been in Baldur's Gate in 1366, went back to Sembia at some point, then returned in Flamerule (July) 1367. That's two years on and off the Sword Coast and almost one full year on it, not to mention he's been in the Throne since an early age, but he's seen as new.
Sarevok's presence may not be public because he's working with the bandits, however, not knowing about Rieltar's son is common. Yeslick Orothiar is a companion who moved to Sembia where he met Rieltar. He pretended to befriend Yeslick, then tortured him to learn the location of the Cloackwood mines. Yeslick was in Sembia, and he doesn't mention Sarevok, or recognizes him when he comes to the party under a false name. So it's not just in Baldur's Gate, even back in Sembia, before Sarevok was commander, Rieltar doesn't mention his foster son— or the fact that he has one.
It can be explained by how Rieltar and other higher-up of the Throne see Sarevok, both his capacities and how far he can go. One telling example is during the Candlekeep chapter. Gorion's ward is going after Rieltar, the big bad at the time. You can go to Rieltar with the advice of 'Koveras', who tells you Rieltar is defenceless and this is the perfect time to kill him. He even gives you a nice ring to protect you. If you start digging through Koveras' dialogue, you might find something's odd with him and decide you don't want the ring. Joke's on you, it won't change a damn thing. Don't be too quick to laugh at Sarevok for only switching his name backward to change identity, it worked on Charname and their whole party (also worked on me when I was ten and had a pikachu face during the reveal).
Rieltar is a lot quicker to catch up than Charname though.
"Koveras! Who is Kove... of course. It seems I taught my son all too well. Well, my young pups, you've been set up to be used as dupes. Koveras does not want what's best for you, but rather what's best for him."
-> There's a brief moment of outrage before Rieltar realizes who Koveras is. The realization doesn't anger him more, it makes him calm down. He doesn't see Sarevok as a threat. It's unlikely he thinks Sarevok's plan goes beyond killing him, when it's in fact much more elaborate than that. Other Throne members straight out of Sembia underestimate how dangerous Sarevok is.
Here are a few more examples:
"She seemed surprised that Sarevok had taken control of this regional base. He is thought of as an upstart"
Kalessia: I have been sent from Sembia to determine why this branch of the Iron Throne has floundered [...]. Valdis (Charname): Why not ask Sarevok? He seems to be the one in control now. Kalessia: Sarevok? That upstart? Then the rumors I have heard are true. Our regional leaders here are dead and Sarevok has assumed their roles. Such arrogance! No doubt he has a hand in their demise, I'll wager. [..]"
-> The outrage these criminals feel toward Sarevok's, well, criminal actions against them will never not be funny to me. Kalessia calls Sarevok an 'upstart'. She doesn't sound any more worried than Rieltar was, she sounds pissed that he would dare to do this. Also, she thinks he participated in the demise of their leaders, not that he orchestrated the whole thing. As if he isn't capable of it. I will stress this again, but Sarevok is the foster son of a high-ranking member of the Throne with wealth and influence. Yet, they talk about him as if he's of low rank. Somehow, I don't think the Iron Throne is a progressive organization that thinks wealth and social status shouldn't determine an individual's worth.
Later, inside the Undercity, you come across more people working for the Iron Throne. You get the following dialogue from two dialogue paths.
"We've been sent to hunt down Sarevok. Seems as if he went crazy and started murdering all who got in his way, including Rieltar, and the Throne don't take too well to having their high-ups killed."
"He doesn't seem that skilled at making friends. I am Rahvin, in the employ of the Iron Throne. My companions and I have traveled from Sembia to learn what has been happening to our operation in Baldur's Gate."
They're off to kill Sarevok. Just like that. Like he's just another guy with a bounty on his head. The twist of BG 1 is not only realizing Sarevok is the true antagonist, it's realizing Sarevok is not just a brute working for the Throne, he's a major threat to the Sword Coast and far from stupid. That's something characters who only know of Sarevok what is known in Sembia and have just arrived in Baldur's Gate don't realize. He has overthrown the entire leadership of the Iron Throne in the region, almost got the whole leadership of Baldur's Gate as well and they're simply going to 'hunt him down'. The way they talk about him is also telling:
"Seems as if he went crazy and started murdering all who got in his way"
-> He's talking about Sarevok as if he was a dog who went rabid, not someone who actively orchestrated the downfall of his employer.
"He doesn't seem that skilled at making friends."
-> Sarevok had the entire city eating out of his hand, he was about to be lawfully elected Grand Duke. Sarevok is skilled at making friends, when he needs them— and, when he has the right background to make the right friends. For example when he's known as the foster son of a wealthy business man without anyone knowing anything beyond that, like in Baldur's Gate. Something that's more complicated in Sembia, where people around him would already know he used to be a penniless urchin until Rieltar adopted him.
When you encounter characters working for Sarevok, rather than characters he works for, you get a different image of him, one that's closer to what you encounter in the game. There are two kinds, first, the zealots, those who already worship him as a new god.
"You have breached an inner circle, fool. There are no hired lackeys for you to bribe here [...]. We are servants of Sarevok and Sarevok alone, selected by hand to protect his destiny. [...] His will... be done!"
"So it has been decreed, so it shall be done. So orders Sarevok!"
-> Sarevok doesn't know how to make 'friends' in the strict sense of the term, but he knows how to be charismatic. He got servants to worship him before his actual godhood. These followers aren't part of the Throne, Sarevok independently recruited them to be his first faithful. Which is smart, considering gods in Forgotten Realms get stronger with more fervent and more numerous followers. Sarevok is planning ahead so he already has worshippers when he's a god.
If you played SoD (which is mid writing wise, but has good moments), you'll find that Sarevok's charisma struck again with other nondescripts fanatics.
"S. and I had a long talk last night. Everything he says make so much sense."
The other group of people are Sarevok's own underlings. These are mercenaries he recruited who are unaffiliated to the Iron Throne and only answer to him. You get interesting dialogue from Diarmid.
"Not a terribly original alias to be sure, but who is going to tell him that? Sarevok is quite used to getting his own way, and I gather subtlety is something that doesn't quite come naturally to him. He doesn't have the patience for it, though his mind is amazingly tactical. Certainly this made him perfect for organizing the Iron Throne's mercenary forces, though I doubt his superiors would say so now, what with his plot to have them killed. Such is the trouble with hiring highly motivated people. As underlings we can safely serve, but woe to those in a position he desires."
-> Is Diarmid scared of Sarevok? Yes. Does he respect him? Also yes, which increases the 'fear' part, I think.
Diarmid is a mercenary who's been working with Sarevok for weeks, maybe months. What he knows of Sarevok is surface level, but it doesn't match what other characters, who've been around Sarevok since Sembia know of him. Here are how different visions contradict each other:
"She [Kalessia] seemed surprised that Sarevok had taken control of this regional base." VS "[...] though his mind is amazingly tactical. Certainly this made him perfect for organizing the Iron Throne's mercenary forces [...]" / "Such is the trouble with hiring highly motivated people."
"Seems as if he went crazy and started murdering all who got in his way [...]" VS "[...] I doubt his superiors would say so now, what with his plot to have them killed." / "[...] woe to those in a position he desires."
Characters within the Throne are not supposed to know about Sarevok's plans, but they all react as if his behavior is an anomaly, they're blindsided. Yet, these plans match what Sarevok's mercenaries know of him: "have a tendency to only give information on a need-to-know basis"; "notoriously impatient"; "quite used to getting his own way"; "subtlety doesn't quite come naturally to him"; "his mind is amazingly tactical"; "highly motivated"; "woe to those in a position he desires"; "wouldn't sully his hands on those he didn't deem worthy of personally killing".
The Sembians's reaction is more understandable when you read the following letter, written by Sarevok to Rieltar. Sarevok's tone isn't what you would expect from him.
Father, I received your letter, and I can assure you that the mercenaries led by <Gorion's ward> will no longer trouble our operations. I have dealt with them personally. Before dying, they were most forthcoming in their revelations. It is as you had surmised: They were agents of the Zhentarim. I am also writing to tell you that I cannot attend the meeting at Candlekeep. Some problems have arisen with the Chill and the Blacktalons. They have had trouble working with each other, and I am needed there to smooth over any dissension. I am sorry that I will not be at your side. Sarevok
This letter reads like a dutiful son from start to finish. It's also a pack of lies from start to finish. Everything he says goes along Rieltar's own opinion, to placate him. The perfect son and officer, committed to his role. And it works, since Rieltar doesn't suspect Sarevok until he's told of 'Koveras'. You can assume the dutiful, uncompromising tone of the letter was the front Sarevok presented to Rieltar, and to other members of the Throne.
Reading Sarevok's diary, you see this is a front he has to present. Remember how Sarevok was named commander of the mercenary forces by Rieltar? Well, he wasn't even supposed to be part of his foster father's project.
"I have expressed interest to my 'father', and he has promised to include me within the operations along the Sword Coast. He mentioned Mother in our conversation: how I wasn't to be unfaithful to him as she had. He made it clear that I would suffer her fate if I was."
-> What a lovely father-son relationship. Anyways, if Rieltar had his way, Sarevok wouldn't have been commander, he would've left him in Sembia. Sarevok had to ask to be given a role. You'd expect the son a wealthy man to have a prime spot saved for him in his big project.
The next part of the excerpt is, in my opinion, the core to explaining the dissonance between what people from the Throne perceived of Sarevok, and what he's truly like. Rieltar threatens Sarevok, and that shows what this 'father-son' relationship really is about. For those who don't know, Sarevok's foster mother, who to this day doesn't have a canon name, was 'unfaithful' to Rieltar. It might be she cheated on him, but since it's never stated clearly, you could go with something else. Like trying and failing to kill her abusive husband, for example. As a punishment, Rieltar strangled her with a garrote in front of Sarevok when he was young.
Rieltar doesn't just threaten Sarevok, he reminds him of his place, which is the same as his mother. It's my guess that this is why he murdered her in front of Sarevok to begin with, so he would learn his place as a 'family member'. Someone Rieltar has complete authority over, including a right of life and death.
Sarevok brushes off the threats, but he does that as an adult and experienced fighter who is already planning to kill Rieltar and crush his operations. He wasn't always in that position. For the urchin Rieltar adopted, this threat wasn't 'weak' or 'hollow'.
This would explain why, despite being the 'foster son' of a wealthy and influential member, Sarevok is seen as an 'upstart' without a place in the upper ranks of the Throne. Because he is not his son to them, he is the urchin 'sponging off' Rieltar.
Another piece of the journal gives a little more information.
"The fool still insists on calling me his son, and for now I will let him. He assumes that I am loyal to him because he raised me."
-> Rieltar is confident in Sarevok's loyalty because he raised him. He provided for him and considers that should make Sarevok loyal no matter what. Even though Rieltar adopted Sarevok, their social classes are still very distinct. He's the one with the money and Sarevok should be grateful he spent some on him. 'Son' isn't an affectionate term (if the death threat above didn't make that clear), it's the reminder of what Sarevok 'owes' Rieltar. It would explain why Rieltar rarely mentions him. He has a debtor, not a son. When he discovers his plot to kill him, Rieltar says Sarevok wants 'what's best for him'. He knows why Sarevok wants out of this situation— he's the one who created it. Hence the threat. The devoted front is something Sarevok has to show, to ensure his own safety and the success of his plans.
Now I will go into a more 'grey' territory regarding a bunch of things that can't be checked with canon but are worth considering because of the situation:
First, does Sarevok have money? Rieltar does, yes. Sarevok works in the same group at a lower rank, he's both Rieltar's 'son' and his employee. As a commander, he likely has allotted money, but that's not his gold, that's for his job. Chances are he either doesn't get paid because he's working 'for the family' and that's another thing to be grateful for, or he does get money for his work, from Rieltar. Either way, Rieltar is the one who has control over Sarevok's finances. It's a good way to restrain him, and ensure his loyalty, since he won't get far without gold. Sarevok lived on the street before, he has ambitions, it's unlikely he's willing to rough it out again and be a homeless nobody. Rieltar surrounds himself with people he has control over, like his co-leaders: Brunos is dumb, and Thaldorn is a coward. They defer to Rieltar, who likely has an easy time controlling both. Having Sarevok at an officer position allows Rieltar to keep a leash on him, which fits his pattern.
Second, Sarevok has two genuine relationships that we know of. One was with his foster mother, and the other with his lover, Tamoko. If he had any real connections while living in the streets, they'd have ended once he joined Rieltar's household. Growing up, he'd be surrounded by people from the Iron Throne. The lowest in ranks would be under Rieltar's authority, and those of higher rank would only see the urchin Rieltar pulled out of the gutter. It's likely there were few children his age or anyone he could trust and build a relationship with. His connections are to characters he works for, and those who work for him. He's isolated, he doesn't have allies. That's another way for Rieltar to restrain him. There's the uncertainty of what 'unfaithfulness' means to Rieltar. Does Sarevok having someone he cares about gets in the way of being the devoted son Rieltar wants? Would the threat he makes on Sarevok's life include anyone important to him? It's possible. It would make any relationship Sarevok could have a weakness, which would impact how he views them. I would imagine he'd fight any feelings he developed for Tamoko before giving in, and he wouldn't introduce her to the man who murdered his mother. Having any attachment in this situation becomes a drawback.
Third, could Sarevok leave the Iron Throne if he wanted? Criminal groups rarely offer retirement. He's been involved since Rieltar adopted him, he's been working with them for years, and likely knows the group's inner workings well. The Throne is a criminal organization that wants to keep a legitimate front. With everything Sarevok knows, it wouldn't be smart to let go of him. Unless it's off a cliff. He's probably not an isolated case either. Youth with nothing to their names and no better options are easy to recruit and make good underlings.
Recap and conclusion:
Sarevok was pulled from poverty at a young age by Rieltar, a wealthy man who's part of a criminal organization. Through the murder of his wife, he's shown that he gives himself total authority over his family, and will harshly punish any form of rebellion. Growing up with Rieltar, Sarevok was affiliated to the Iron Throne from a young age and became another member. All that time, he remained under Rieltar's thumb, acting the part of the loyal son, while not showing anything that might cause suspicion. It's no surprise Sarevok charmed the city of Baldur's Gate when he has been fronting his whole life for Rieltar and the Throne, downplaying his ambitions and capacities. He doesn't appear as the true antagonist until late in the game, when he turns on the Iron Throne. They're blindsided and unable to fight back, while Baldur's gate is ready to name him Grand Duke. It's a victory on every front. He outsmarts the entire Iron Throne, the leadership of Baldur's Gate, he has the city eating out of his hand, he believes he's on his way to become a god. He used the organization that used him, got revenge for his mother's murder, his years of abuse, and had the nobles at his feet. He failed the godhood part, but he beat odds stacked against him. The urchin from the streets of Sembia rose higher than anyone ever thought possible.
It's important because Sarevok's situation connects to a game's theme and to his misbeliefs. One of Baldur's Gate theme is that your choices matter more than your nature- which is the direct opposite of one of Sarevok's own misbelief. He is convinced his nature as Bhaalspawn predestines him for violence and destruction. The most telling example is in ToB during dialogue if you're trying to change Sarevok's alignment.
"And do you believe I have another choice?"
"After… after all you have been through? With the taint in your soul, you still believe this?"
If you reply positive, you wreck his world enough to make him speechless. And enough to trigger his alignment change. It's a deeply rooted belief, one that affects how he interacts with the world around him, and it's directly connected to his past. Sarevok is also convinced he needs the ability to dominate others, hence his quest for power.
"I… don't understand. What is the use of power if you do not carve out an empire for yourself?"
Sarevok grew up first in the streets, where he was prey to all manners of dangers. Then, he was in a brutal and callous household where his freedom and his life were conditioned by his obedience. It's not said how long he's been working for the Throne, but likely as soon as he could fight. Growing through this, violence would be an everyday part of Sarevok's world, and of himself. He views the world through that twisted lens, where the strong crushes the weak. Learning he's a spawn from a god of murder would cement that belief by giving meaning to that violence. Sarevok isn't a wealthy, privileged man greedy for more power, he's someone from an impoverished background who only views his relation to others and the world as either having others at your mercy, or being at the mercy of others. And he's been the one preyed on for a large chunk of his life. By seeking power, he ensures control not only over his own life, but over other people's lives, because if he controls them, they can't control him.
Sarevok was shaped by his environment, which allowed him to survive, but also messed up his adult life. He has no genuine relationship, they're all transactional. Cythandria, who will brag about loyalty, is with him for wealth, power and sex. Sarevok knows that, he's with her for similar reasons. They're intimate, but their self-interest comes first. Winski Perorate is 'loyal' because he's getting his divine glory by proxy through Sarevok. They follow Sarevok because they get something out of him and he keeps them around for the same reasons. Tamoko is an anomaly in this, because Sarevok caught feelings. Feelings he wasn't equipped to handle because they couldn't fit with his mindset. That's the core tragedy of their relationship, it was doomed from the start, even without the game's events. Tamoko loves Sarevok without wanting anything from him but his company, and he cannot believe that. I made a post about them, and I do think he leaves her because the taint would push him to kill her if she stayed, but I also think it's easy for the taint to manipulate Sarevok, because he's predisposed to believing the worst. Being with Tamoko required effort, because it challenged Sarevok's mindset. Her betrayal confirmed it: he let someone get too close without check and got stabbed in the back.
While Tamoko didn't fully understand Sarevok, she's the on who sums up the situation best:
"You had Gorion to guide you did you not? Sarevok had no one. He draws his strength from his hatred, from the thought of rising above those he knows to be inferior."
In BG 1, Sarevok doesn't fail because he's weaker than Gorion's ward, he's more powerful when you face him, but he's holding on to misbeliefs that make him the puppet of the taint, whereas Charname is master of their own choices, harnessing the taint or rejecting its control. But there is nothing about Charname's nature that is superior to Sarevok and vice versa. The one thing that separates them is the past that shaped them.
Sarevok's story is tragic. He doesn't become a ruthless man because of his nature, but because he was young, alone and poor. Those around him exploited that. His situation gives nuance to his character, enough to make you feel for him. Even when he's only the antagonist, he has depth, and ToB further improves his writing, making a point to show his duality and his struggle to change, to uproot himself from the soil he grew up in. Sarevok never is a one-dimensionnal character, not as a villain, and not as a companion.
#baldur's gate 1#bg 1#sarevok anchev#rieltar anchev#observations on sarevok series#really long post#i have been on this for so long reread and rewrote so many times#i can't tell if it's any good anymore#i'll just have to post otherwise i'll just rewrite it over and over#i try not to go on too many tangents but it's hard#this connects to several other points i want to talk about but aren't the focus here#and would only make this longer than it already is#grab a drink and a snack if you want to read#look this all started because i couldn't stand ppl representing sarevok in the rich evil guy stereotype based on b 'g '3 nonsense#then the post got too big#i would apologize but#i'm not sorry#i try to keep it concise but i want to be thorough#also i'm doing these because i want to so they'll be as long as i deem right#i didn't think anyone would read those#but some people did read the last one i wrote and now i got carried away#lot less ppl will read this i think cause it got waaay too long#here's to anyone who reaches the end of this post give me your thoughts#idk why i write this nobody read those tags#just me running my mouth some more#shouting in the void from my tumblr nook
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Look.
Ace Attorney fandom.
I know why people don't like Turnabout Bigtop. I am among the people who dislike Turnabout Bigtop.
But I GET why people like the case. I'm not going to be one of those annoying people who just blindly dump on it because I hate those mfs too.
Thing about Bigtop isn't that it sucks. Thing isn't the weird grooming stuff (though that is a huge part of it). It's not that it could've been good.
It's that - in my personal OPINION - it could have been *great*.
I think it had the potential to be one of the best third cases in the trilogy. It had everything; a fun and goofy setting fit for a pretty dang goofy lawyer game - where the environment itself had jokes and quips and one-liners and mishaps and tomfoolery written all over it, it had the previous case introducing a very interesting and important plotline that gave background for one of the more well-loved characters while also introducing an equally fucked up and lovable new one who was a child forced into a shit childhood of naivete in a CIRCUS with another character who was very naive and childish - whose interactions could have been funny and cute and reflective of said shit from the previous case (seriously she becomes such an important character in the 4th case, WHY would they not include her in this one for some character development? How did they fuck up letting a CHILD explore a CIRCUS?? That would have made the interactions flow MUCH better).
They had a pretty good, sympathetic killer imo, a morally dubious victim, an asshole of a client (who was pretty flat admittedly in-game, but I like his weird, topsy-turvy reasoning for it in the anime. Also, I think Max being kinda a dick would have bode well for the themes of Farewell since most of his clients up to this point have been like...nice? Not nice, but sympathetic, but him having to defend someone who's innocent but a prick would have shown him that just because someone is an asshole, doesn't mean they deserve to suffer for it and that they have the potential to grow as people, which is almost a complete foil to what Matt was. Ultimately, I would have loved the contrast of them as clients and I think it would have also served as character development for Phoenix, especially with his low-empathy tendencies).
They just didn't think that far ahead. They just didn't execute it well enough. They just decided to make three of the adult characters fight for the hand in marriage of a teenage girl. (Bat's part of the story was actually kinda good if he was just YOUNGER, I think him doing that for Regina would have been a stupid thing someone in the circus would do to impress their crush. Damn you Ace Attorney and your weird treatment of underage girls!!)
It just flopped and that's ok.
Even though it kinda sucked, it can still mean something to me.
Also I'm a Moe Curls apologist. I liked him, shut up.
#didn't care for the dialogue either.#DON'T GET ME STARTED ABOUT FRANZISKA DON'T DON'T DON'T DON'T DON'T YOU DARE GET ME STARTED#THIS CASE WAS SO GOOD FOR HER DEVELOPMENT THAT'S NOT EVEN A “COULD HAVE” THING#sure she could've been fleshed out a bit more#but the stuff we get from our interactions with her in this case is GOOD. SHIT. It's just that this case is so hated that it's overshadowed#and yeah. i like Moe Curls. i think he's cool and he added some flair in an otherwise bleak case.#i think his whole unfunny clown schtick was very entertaining. it reminded me of this one shel silverstein poem i loved as a kid#clooney the clown.#tbh ive wanted to rewrite Bigtop for a while now#get a script together and all that. but im an amateur writer who's burnt out as shit and never posts anything writing related#except analysis i get way too excited and proud of. oh well#maybe someday.#also rq why does every other tripple-a game get really good in depth analysis video essays#with their complex literary themes talked about#but with Ace Attorney - a game about reading longer than most books - half the fans have the absolute most dogshit literacy comprehension#it's actually painful. ESPECIALLY with Franziska's character#anyway i'll stop.#ace attorney trilogy#ace attorney#ace attorney justice for all#turnabout big top#franziska von karma#phoenix wright#phoenix wright ace attorney#pearl fey#farewell my turnabout#moe curls#regina berry#ig ore if this is incomprehensible i did not proofread this.#i simply do not like how fran's only traits to somea these mfs is “annoying overemotional teenager haha grumpy whip lady”
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these 2-3 people on insta who think they're a million times better than the writers and that they can do the show better than those who created it are genuinely so unserious like come on
#and most of them are like “i can write the show better! i'll rewrite arc 2 even!” and it's like “dude.. you're not That guy”#like all of their arc 2 rewrites have rayla just being in crazy tears 24/7#they want her to suffer when confronting callum about the 2 year skip while being MISERABLE but then complain about her having emotions#like what do you want.. let's be serious guys come on#the tdp fandom has had some very very annoying people join lately and it's like GET OFFFFFF#like i think someone brought it up a few days ago so you might know Who i'm talking about lmaoo#fandom rants
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Being reminded once again that a lot of people have fucking sleeper cell agent triggers that make them instantly fail to see the human being in front of them, regardless of any personal history they have or any rapport. instantly, that person is an Enemy that cannot be reasoned with. Permanent fight or flight.
And that instead of this being seen as, you know, a rather maladaptive attitude to bring to your relationships that will permanently strip you of the capacity to experience full love and companionship, there is a dominant strain of thinking that this is a reasonable, righteous, moral good.
That a "boundary" looks like building an impenetrable wall that nobody can see but you; That conversation, negotiation, and collaboration aren't just avoided--They're treated with contempt. The very notion of trying to understand why another human being that you care about may suddenly act in an unpleasant or even monstrous way is spat upon and trampled underfoot. Complete abandonment is considered a first line of defense rather than a last resort.
I think we all need to do our best to get over this kind of thinking. And I don't mean that we should be push-overs; In actuality, moving away from this kind of rigid "boundary" often means advocating for yourself and fighting for what you think is right. I think we all deserve friends and allies who can compassionately challenge us when we adopt ways of thinking and behaving that hurt others without immediately assuming the worst.
#indexed post#Nothing happened to me specifically just pissed due to events in the orbit#The only qualifier I'll include here is that we have limited energy and this is specifically geared toward people you have a relationship w/#I think random strangers also deserve respect and compassionbut I'm not taking the time to give it to em. That's another person's problem#Also don't give me any 'yeah except for x' shit. I do think if we were able to perfectly know the heart of a person#and see that they are causing or wish to cause harm and refuse to change course at all#Then yeah sure we can say that there's a hard line#But I think very often peoples' convictions are more complicated and contradictory than they may seem#And we cannot rewrite someone's entire experience and nuance with one data point we arbitrarily decide is 'too far'#Anyways this is just a rant it's not the best thesis or anything but hope it resonates or stirs some thought
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Not sure how much people will care, but I've been having fun fleshing out the world of MCD for my rewrite, and part of that has included creating totally new religious systems for the different areas in the world, because why tf would everyone have the same religious beliefs lol
I've already made quite a few posts about the Divine Warriors, and the associated faith common in Ru'an, so I'm not gonna get into that right now unless people ask me to. Instead, I wanna talk a little about one of the religions common in Tula :3
Slightly long post lol sorry, be warned
For a little context, I have built Tula as a very dry, arid region with a lot of desert regions. I am VERY LOOSELY basing the climate on real world areas in ancient Africa and the Middle East. I think having this info might be important for some of the religious beliefs I'm establishing.
Anyways, many Tulanis worship personifications of celestial bodies, primarily the Sun, the Moon, and their four children Dawn, Day, Dusk, and Night. They are beings that are said to have existed since the beginning of time, and that should they ever die all life on the Overworld with end.
The Sun is worshipped as the king of the universe, who ruled over all the stars and planets and peoples. He provided life and light, but at the same time the endless day left the people of the Overworld dying of heat and exhaustion, unable to find respite from the king's light. His love, the Moon, saw their plight, and begged her lover to show them mercy. He refused, believing that doing so would be an unfair act of favoritism. The Moon then went to their children, who sympathized with her and the peoples of the Overworld, and, lead by Dawn, the eldest, they started a rebellion against the Sun.
The war lasted for centuries, both father and children too stubborn and too prideful to give in. As the war reached it's peak, the heat of battle nearly wiped out everything in the cosmos, and at last they reach an armistice. The Sun offered a compromise: instead of providing less sunlight, he would only rule the Overworld for half of the day, and the Moon would rule the other half. So it was said, and so it would be done.
Each morning, Dawn and Day would escort the Sun to his throne and keep watch during his rule, and each evening Dusk and Night would escort the Moon to her throne and keep watch during her rule.
The Sun is associated with light, life, and order, due to his role as the life-giving sunlight and king of the cosmos. The Moon is associated with death and tides, a perfect opposite of her husband and the creator of the seas. Dawn is associated with war as she lead the rebellion against the Sun, Day is associated with life and nature as many Tulanis believe it is her guidance and supervision during the Sun's rule that allows the continued survival of all life, Dusk is associated with magic and knowledge as many Tulanis believe she allows mortals a glimpse into the infinite wisdom of the cosmos, and Night is associated with trickery and deception as the darkness of night is often blinding and misleading.
There are many religious holidays celebrated across Tula, the most holy of which are the Feast of the Sun and the Feast of the Moon, celebrated on the summer solstice and winter solstice respectively. They are representative of the beginning of the Sun's rule, on the longest day of the year, and the beginning of the Moon's rule, on the longest night of the year. As the names would suggest these times are often spent feasting and celebrating, giving thanks to both for the gifts they have given the people of the Overworld. Similarly, many regions celebrate the first rain of the cool season, usually referred to as the Day of the Lady’s Tears in reference to the belief that the Moon wept on the very first night, flooding the earth and providing much needed water for mortals. Eclipses, though rare, are also regarded as holy, the common belief being that an eclipse is a symbol of the Sun and the Moon reuniting after the war.
Ashkah is a somber, week long remembrance of the cosmic war, during which people are encouraged to take time to reflect and spend time with their loved ones, both living and dead. It serves as a reminder that times of hardship are tests of inner strength, and are always fleeting. It is common practice to seek forgiveness of wrongdoing during this time, both from your neighbor and from the gods. Many people choose to burn candles, an additional candle for each day of the week, to represent the many centuries wasted warring; particularly devout believers might chose to fast as well. The final day of Ashkah is called Aleh, and is celebrated as a holiday in its own right. Aleh is a festival celebrating the end of the war and the cosmic armistice. It also acts as a celebration for Dawn, Dusk, Day, and Night. During Aleh many people hold huge community-wide feasts, candles are all doused and revelry often extends well into the night, sometimes even into the next day.
#less happy with this than I am with Galruk (coming later) but i like it for now :)#just to clarify as well this isn't the only religion in Tula just like the Faith of the Divine isn't the only religion in Ru'an#there are many different belief systems and different cults branching off of this#this is just the most common set of beliefs#I'll be workshopping more at some point I'm sure#if you have any questions about this though please feel free to ask!!#i have been doing a LOT of wroldbuilding lately lol so I could definitely use an excuse to yap about this#snek speaks#snek's rewrite!#aphmau#minecraft diaries#aphmau minecraft diaries#worldbuilding#fantasy worldbuilding#fantasy world#religion#fantasy religion#tula#tulani religion
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Me, obsessed with Jiang Cheng's particular brand of inferiority complex: Okay but what if he'd met someone who put him first and made it known? How would this break him? Would his issues with Wei Wuxian be dulled by knowing that he isn't actually 'last' at everything in others' eyes? That someone sees beyond the temper he inherited from his mother. Competes with him at his level in a way that doesn't result in him failing more in his parents' eyes.
Also what if Jiang Yanli was actually allowed to be a competent cultivator and participated more heavily in all the events leading up to and during the Sunshot campaign? Would WWX and JC's fates at the Lotus Pier massacre been different? What if we knew Lan Jingyi's parents and they had roles in the story? What if some of the sect members Xueyang killed over the years survived to get revenge?
I have a simple solution to all of these questions and I've been writing headcanons for days/canon divergence but I'm too scared to actually dip my toes into writing these characters yet. Maybe one day.
#I am deeply underqualified to write MDZS fanfiction#i have read the original novel but I feel like my understanding of events and consequences isn't anywhere near as complete as it should be#to undertake this kind of canon rewrite#but I'll keep daydreaming about it#jiang cheng#jiang yanli#all of this would involved adding one small branch to the Lan family and getting a few more Lans of WWX's generation involved#I do genuinely believe things may have changed for the better even in that one short year in Gusu Lan#and ofc during the Wen indoctrination arc#enough that we could have saved some of Yunmeng Jiang#and avoided wwx jyl and jzx's deaths entirely#i will write it all i will#jin guangyao i am coming for you too
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Little update for anyone counting: VtM doctor superion AU is still in rewriting phase. I'm at page 32 of 106 and it is the equivalent to page 52 (of X) in the new version.
#that's twenty additional pages. i have no idea of how long this is going to get lol#perhaps it goes up to 150 pages instead of the original 106. i don't know. don't expect it.#if i keep the rhythm i should be done rewriting by the middle of november but then i'll have another editing round before typing#and i won't start posting until i have more than 50% of it typed. so. i'm estimating a 2025 launch#i did say this would be the most self-indulgent fic i ever wrote lol. it really is.#but meanwhile i'm still doing drabbles and the occasional challenge so it's not all radio silence from me#i REALLY wanted to get some meta in as there are a whole lot of topics i'd like to analyse in wn still#but the mindset for fiction and non-fiction is so different... sigh.#maybe while the sweetest chill is being posted. it should buy me some seven months with a weekly update lol#of course i intend to get back to the teenagers au while that's happening but between one thing and the other...#ANYWAY. enough babbling. this is just so you know i'm busy#silly blabbering
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From the depths of the studio - where darkness prevails and the voices of the puddles grow louder - a message is echoed to the rest of the world. A promise filled with hatred and,at the same time,with conviction. Words coming from someone who was more than confident that their blasphemy would come true.
A message that is directed to one creature,and one creature only...
"I will become the very being You never could be"
----- "A Promise Sent from Below" - Return to the Studio AU.
Oh hey, I have an AU, I forgot about that (lie)
I've had a similar idea in my head for a month now. It wasn't possible to do it last month, but no problem. May would make more sense. I did something with this little guy for 414 last year, and I wanted to do something with him again. April 14th of this year would not be possible, but May 14th or 15th? Oh yes. These dates are better because it was between these two (actually it was the 14th I think, but I consider both dates) days that I created this guy above! Consider this drawing a celebration made for…well, me. Of course, he wasn't created with the design above in mind. His original, main design is quite different from this alternative (and less original) iteration. The drawing above shows his current situation in the "current" moments of the RTTS AU.
His creation, which dates back to 2020, was the result of some Bendy-related thoughts of mine intersecting on the day. These being about new things in canon lore that came out at the time (plus speculation about this new information), a theory that at the time I started to understand better (which maybe based on the drawing, you probably know which theory I'm talking about ) and a funny bug found in one of the games (do you remember Ghost Bendy by any chance?) And then,boom. I created Atlas. I remember at the time I was thinking of other names for him because Atlas was just a codename that I had in mind to refer to him while I thought of a definitive name for the guy. But the codename ended up sticking. Plus, Atlas is a cool name and I wanted to give an OC that name.
Even though some details changed over time, I think I eventually managed to solidify his place in the AU. Not that his story is 100% thought out and completed. Hell, my AUs that I have are still not 100% thought out either, so what to expect from their characters. But I think that, currently, I have at least decided on the general idea of his place and purpose in RTTS, and I am happy with what I have come up with.
I don't know when the next time will be that I will show him again. In general, showing things from my AUs is not and probably will never be my strong point lol. But I'd like to draw him again eventually. So uhhhhhhhhhhh, one day. When that "one day" will be, it's up to you to decide
Happy Birthday Atlas. You and your other 2 alternative versions are cool to think about. Here's to another 4 years of chaos for you. 🙌
I can't believe it's been 4 years now, damn.
#bendy and the ink machine#batim#bendy and the dark revival#batdr#return to the studio au#bendy au#bendy oc#crookedsmileart#I found new a way to indicate which specific drawing refers to an AU or not#also writing that...thing at the beginning (drabble????) took a bit out of me#writing things like short story descriptions is so difficult; imagine writing a real fic#How can you all do this; seriously.#fanfiction writers are the real badasses;fr fr#about the “other 2 alternative versions” of Atlas; there are 3 versions of him that I have#the first is the one above; from the Return to the Studio AU. His main incarnation; I would say#Then there's his version in the Toon City Adventures AU; which varies a little from the RTTS version.#There are things in this version of him that I still need to rewrite#and then there's his non-Bendy version;#where I remove all the Bendy connections; and he is practically an original character with no connections to existing material#and play with him in some original stories that I put together in the back of my mind#I admit that this version is what I end up going back to a little more in recent times#But in the end I like all 3 equally#since last year's 414 art; I changed a few little things in his design; but still keeping the general idea in place#I'll eventually have to create a reference sheet for him;i guess#rtts au
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i've ripped all the CDs i got from the library (plus downloaded a few extra mp3s from yt) and now i'm ready to start burning them! hopefully they turn out okay, i haven't burned any CDs with this specific set up before
#key speaks#HEATHERS#IN MY CAR!#i can't believe i didn't think of this earlier actually#there's a bunch of other music#but after i finished the library's CDs i realized that i would actually LOVE to listen to Heathers on my drive to class#fingers crossed it turns out okay#it was giving me some errors when i tried to burn it the first time but now it seems to be working#if it didn't i'll have just wasted a CD. these are not rewritable#oh well#i have a lot left and they're super cheap anyways#hmmmm... what do i burn next?#probably figure out which P!atD songs i want#i really love their first album and like. a fifth of their songs after that#!!!! my CDs done!!#really REALLY hope it turned out good#moment of truth...#IT WORKED#YAY!!!
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What's the crafting dead?
A really REALLY old minecraft roleplay series created by sgcbarbierian, a bunch of other mc youtubers were in it as well, like aphmau, redvacktor, yourpalross, etcetera.
It's exactly what it sounds like, youtubers roleplaying an apocalypse in minecraft, but it's not technically a typical zombie apocalypse because the zombies were created through human experiments done by..... some scientist villain
also there's a cannibal guy
It's absolutely nothing like mys/mcd, everyone in it plays just themselves as a character, like Red the cannibal cult leader, or like Mithzan Max that one weird guy who's immune to the zombies and just wants to play uno with someone, Jess even plays as JESS and not some version of Aphmau.
Uhh more rambling in the tags idk
#theres also original characters. not just youtubers! like.. bobby from supernatural..... is a character in.. the series. ....yeah#i personally love it#cuz i grew up on it. but some people in it are actually human trash (sky.) so its iffy overall#but red and dr ross make it worth it. i also love the main four!! the overall plot is interesting as well#if you ignore the garbage people in it. (sky. jin. ew gross)#asks#ask#i do recommend it actually. shockingly. its scarily good for what it is#it has crazy rewrite potential. and its easy to just write out the.. bad people :/#idk. im tired#im on my second energy drink today. i cant be thinking about tcd rn cuz then ill think about the wild potential it has and I'll rewrite it#like as an original series based on the rp. and i dont have the commitment for that rn... but god..... god do i love it#i need..... to laayy down#huhghuhggfvbb nnhg#jnbgf yeah uhhh SNHFHKG feel free to ask more but bro. no promises cuz im. unwell
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Ughghhhgh been looking at these and dunno which one I wanna get.. throwing a poll up-
#crappost#I'm hoping to get some techwear style pants with either one of these#if i do I'll show if i can reprint my CQC helmet correctly soon#have yet to rewrite a post on the 405th asking for some advice with that part lol#polls
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I'm going to try and finish at least one (1) fic this month even if it kills me bc jfc I'm losing my mind at how much I wanna finish sth and just keep stalling gfdi
#It'll probably be Information Asymmetry bc I have half the chapter written#I've legit struggled to get back to it mainly bc the actual stuff I've written is like... Not Exactly What I Want#And that's irritating tf outta me#I need to re read the whole part and then try and get the last chapter sorted#I'll give myself a challenge I think since it's starting to turn to summer#And my brain is full on making my body think 3/4 hours of sleep is Restful#Insomnia and summer sunshine is a horrid combination#Add in adhd meds that make my body and brain more focused and I'm kinda shit outta luck lmao#So yeah. Next few days I'm gonna look over what I've got for Information Asymmetry#And the rest of Signalling Theory series#Which means going through OneNote where I have All My Notes (there are multiple notebooks for the series lmao bc I'm a nerd)#And trying to actually get what is in my head out in text form to make it flow#I may need to do some arting to help my brain out#I do need to rewrite a scene already to work with the art piece I started for the last chapter#But I also gotta admit to myself that this might not be the Last Chapter of IA#Even tho I Really Planned It To Be#I'd like to blame all the fanfic writers I love and follow who also cannot constrain the chapter count#Y'all awful influences lmao#Nah I'm kidding. Y'all the fuckin BEST#Anyway#Kat talks#I have an Epic The Musical fic that's also started itself into existence which fuck knows what that's gonna do...
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21 years ago, the claim that irene had never reincarnated would be true. as of 20 years ago? not so much. well. it's not like anyone knows that though.
but that doesn't matter now, does it? we should be focusing our attention to the small village of phoenix drop. the village is doing as well as it could be with the recent assassination of their lord. not that they remember anything about him but that'll be important later. right now, we focus on two young adults who were led to the village by a mysterious figure.
leanne, a recently turned 20 "engineer" with a lazy yet fiery spirit who months ago left his own village. he always carries around a bag filled with multiple parts and will become the blacksmiths number one customer.
aphmau, leanne's 19 year old "twin". a decent fighter with a kind heart and a very good understanding of magic. she may act a bit clueless at times but always remembers things like covering her right arm.
unknown to everyone, these two were about to change the village forever, whether they wanted to or not.
#the minecraft diaries rewrite au#minecraft diaries#mcd#aphmau mcd#*sigh* yea i was into mcd when i was younger and now i'm rewriting it#i haven't watched it in forever tho so i'll need to mentally prep myself to watch it again#i already have some lore thought out#but i need to watch it again so i can change more#shout out to crows the beloved#thank you for encouraging me to make this insane attempt at a rewrite#i will also be doing one for miraculous but right now it's mcd time#oh [redacted]!zane... the ideas i have for you#oc leanne hearth
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do you have any other plans for shadowclan brambleclaw? does he still become leader/follow similar beats in canon?
to pput it in its most simple form, its basically just the plot of TLK2 LMFAOOOO
#ask#i havent really written anything down yet because my ideas keep changing esp in my grander rewrite au where my idea 4 shadow bramble starte#i did see someone propose that he tiger and hawk shouldve gone after mistyfoot and lowkey i kinda wanna do that but i'll have to iron out -#some other shit before i change anything else too drastically
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PJO RANT FOR THE ONE PERSON WHO ASKED :D
@seeking-further-illumination here you go, lol.
I think that the expectations of the show were for exactly what everyone wanted, because of Rick's involvement and the budget, but everyone imagined the books differently, so not everyone could ever be happy with it.
There's that, and it is marketed towards a younger audience and I'm not making any assumptions but most of the fans who aren't happy [from what I can see] are a bit older then the target audience [not that there's anything wrong with that, obviously, don't come at me], and if you re read the first book it's literally written for children.
There's literally backlash for everything ever made because for some reason people just can't chill [???] but I think the reason the Percy Jackson show had such a large amount of people unhappy with it is because we haven't had anything like it before. I don't know how to explain it but we've all created our own little versions of the show and made our own content for the fandom cause we were left to our devices for so long, so now that we have something, viewers already have these empires in their heads that they want to see on screen.
I'll just put it like this, if the show came out, like, a few years after the og book series, there would be less people unhappy with it.
#I could've added so much more but I'll lose track of what I'm even saying lol#anyways lemme add some shit down here#that's less coherent#the actors are also really young#so there's always going to be a bit of stiff acting or less amazing scenes every so often#everyone is just so used to seeing literally adults playing teenagers because apparently that's something else we do#and apart from the fandom maturing#Rick Riordan has as well?#like#he wrote the lightning thief so long ago that if he was to rewrite it now it would probably be very different#and he could Chanel that into the show this time around#to suit the viewers and how things have changed#in the world in general as well#lets just say#have you ever read a fanfic you wrote or art you drew five years ago and just died?#Percy Jackson show#pjo disney plus#pjo fandom#pjo#percy jackson#percy jackon and the olympians
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