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I am very interested in what Murdoch’s original sources actually say, because as I was reading the book some more, I encounter some more “Asai” passage that makes things even more confusing.
In the preface of the book, the only Japanese text that Murdoch credits is Nihon Senshi, which was provided to him by Baron Terauchi, then the Minister for War (Terauchi Masatake, I would imagine, the Minister for War in office 1902-1911). He credits a few more Japanese officials and translator, but does not name any of the paperwork that was used as material to produce his book.
So in my previous post I shared this:
(Murdoch’s History of Japan, book 2, page 124)
This is from the same book, page 172:
This passage describes that Nobunaga has a consort who is the daughter of "Asai, lord of Oumi”, and that this Asai fellow is a Christian.
Something like this might result with someone reading this and wondering if for some reason Nobunaga had taken one of his own nieces as consort, because Murdoch does not give us the personal names of “Asai”. I would imagine that one was supposed to be Nagamasa and the other one his father Hisamasa, since that would make more sense.
It still makes the story rather strange. If that were the case, it means the source is implying that neither of the Azai men died! After their defeat, they were simply stripped off their fiefs, then converted to Christianity and lived in peace. An interesting counter to the golden skulls narrative, though I think the skull story is more credible.
The consort who produced Nobunaga’s heir was believed to be the Lady Ikoma (Kitsuno), who passed away before the missionaries met Nobunaga. She is not related to the Asai. If this second Asai is Hisamasa, his only Christian daughter is Kyougoku Maria.
Alas, poor Kyougoku Maria, her identity appears to have been confused with so many other women!
Incidentally, the one being described as the “second son” here sounds like Nobutaka, who is the third son. I do not have the quote on hand, but someone has once posted the Japanese translation of a missionary letter that mentioned this event. It said that Oda Nobutaka was very interested in converting, but was concerned about his father’s objections.
the rules are simple! post characters you’d like to roleplay as, have roleplayed as, and might bring back. then tag ten people to do the same ( if you can’t think of ten, just write down however many you can and tag that number of people ). please repost, don’t reblog!
Current Muse:
Ren Kougyoku (Magi)
Kasuga (Senbasa)
Yoimiya (Genpact)
Seele (HSR)
OCs (Megohime is notably a muse I revamped from her super old concept I had since 2014 && her character turned out quite different from the initial concept as compared to the others that I currently have)
Want to write:
Juliana/Anna (Pokemon SV)
Surtr (Arknights)
Oichi (Senbasa)
Kyogoku Maria (Senbasa) I have this urge to write insufferable evil ojousamas
Juno (Beastars)
I often have this urge to conceptualize OCs. If there are notable mentions, it's Eira (valkyrie) and Jinluo (jade rabbit), whose profiles I safely still keep in the basement.
Have written (in Tumblr & other platforms):
Sajyou Ayaka (Fate/Prototype)
Kagura (Onmyoji)
Susabi (Onmyoji)
Aoandon (Onmyoji)
Dan Fei (Thunderbolt Fantasy)
Nihongou (TKRB)
Marnie (Pokemon Sword & Shield)
Metera (Granblue Fantasy)
Izumi Kyoka (BSD)
Schwarz (Arknights)
Many other OCs I probably can't mention one by one help
Would write again:
I fell out of touch with most of my old canons && OCs but if I really really have to choose.. it's Marnie (Pokemon Sword & Shield) heh.
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Sengoku Basara 4 Sumeragi Maria Kyogoku some tips and tricks
I like playing as Maria. Her crowd control is top notch and the one on one battles you can get used to if you know which moves to put against the opponent. You can make the battlefield your own pinball machine (basara move) and bind and tie up enemies. Keep the combo going and let your dance shine through the battle til it's done. Here's a few tips i found playing as Maria:
Use your enemies to your advantage. They are one of the few things that you need to make your moves work since it is based around it. There were moves that don't need enemies for full potential but it's good for setting up your attacks. Making tornados out of them from directional triangle by grabbing the enemies with your sleeves then releasing them off. The L1 triangle move is binding your enemies and at the same time dragging the enemies into light.
Use your allies if there are no enemies. Your allies too can be affected by your moves. They won't take damage from it but use them like cannon fodder if there are more allies than enemies.
She can glide throughout the battlefield for a couple of seconds by pressing double jump. (X then press and hold X after for gliding) Use this for getting around instead of her R2 that allows enemies and allies to become your personal carriage. The latter is more fun admittedly but can be harder to control. Plus it requires enemies or allies to do so. Gliding is faster to set up and it can get you out of most ground situations as well as get a attack from above so you land.
Chain special attacks together. Some special moves have a start up time, even if it's only a little bit but you need to take down the enemy faster. The best I can do in terms of chaining is two moves. An example of chaining would be the R1 move to move forward while attacking like a jump rope, then pressing triangle to skip the start up in the first place.
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Being careful of old/outdated resources, and works that cite them
In my Christmas Truce post, I made an offhand comment on how James Murdoch’s books contains erroneous narrative. I’m going to elaborate on this, as well as presenting a warning about being careful when you read any book about Sengoku Japan.
James Murdoch’s books are useful when he directly quotes and/or translates texts from the Jesuit documents (such as Luis Frois's Historia de Japam or other missionary letters). The translation he provides matches the translation provided by a different English translator, so I’m of the opinion that his translation of Jesuit documents are not "wrong”.
It’s the narrative he provides in between is sometimes very strange.
That is, “strange” when compared to the things that are “currently accepted as fact” about Sengoku Japan. Murdoch was in Japan in the Meiji era, and wrote his books between 1903 and 1917. Whatever source he was using, he did not cite, except for the quotes from the Catholics. Perhaps his sources were materials that were lost in the war, or things that have since been discredited due to progress in historical research.
For example, Murdoch narrates this about “Asai”:
(History of Japan by James Murdoch, Book 2, page 124)
Based on the description about how “Asai” is lord of Oumi and is married to Nobunaga’s sister, it sound like he was talking about Azai/Asai Nagamasa, but the footnote (marked by number 2 there) narrates a very very strange claim.
As a lot of Sengoku fans would know: after their defeat, Azai Nagamasa and his father are dead. Golden skull story and all. Who is this “Asai” fellow who converted into Christianity, then? Why would James Murdoch think this is what happened? What is his source? I don’t know.
Perhaps a source had somehow confused and conflated Kyougoku Maria (who was Nagamasa’s older sister) with her brother. The footnote indicates that Murdoch had at the very least confused Maria's identity, as he named her as Chacha/Yodo-gimi’s sister for some reason. As Nagamasa’s sister, Maria would’ve been Yodo-gimi’s aunt.
I like to say that just because a source exist, doesn’t mean the story is true, and that’s why you need to be careful about where the story is coming from. This is a prime example of such case. I have read in passing some other English-language books about Japanese history that quote James Murdoch. Well, James Murdoch’s text... is not entirely accurate, as we have just seen. It might not be a good idea to blindly trust everything this book says.
When you read any text, even if the book is presenting a very confident claim or cites a legitimate-sounding source, just take everything with a grain of salt and be prepared to have your understanding completely debunked by something else somewhere in the future.
Excavation of old castles are still underway, and medieval paperwork still continue to be discovered. People like Murdoch is not at fault because they probably write based on what they have at the time. We now have more resources than they do. Keeping up to date with new discoveries is not easy, so if you intend to research for the purpose of learning about the facts, it’s best to not be too attached to a popular idea just because it’s often featured in media or fiction.
“ so , how does it feel to know me? a blessing , isn’t it? “ ( maria to anyone )
“Not really.” Sabisuke gives the white haired woman a confused look. “Who the hell are you anyway?”
After that question was asked, the main personality of Wabisuke comes out and takes over the body.
“You are an insufferable moron. Could you at least be a little bit subtle when addressing…uh…” He looks at Kyogoku with also a blank look, before turning to the air where he saw the ghost of his twin. “…This woman who probably has feelings and would fight us if we are not careful?”
Sabisuke took over once more and screamed, “Since when do you care about other people’s feelings?!”
Wabisuke sighed heavily. “Because I don’t want to deal with people right now. That’s why, you idiot!”