#kyougoku maria

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James Murdoch commentary, part 2

I am very interested in what Murdoch’s original sources actually say, because as I was reading the book some more, I encounter some more “Asai” passage that makes things even more confusing. 

In the preface of the book, the only Japanese text that Murdoch credits is Nihon Senshi, which was provided to him by Baron Terauchi, then the Minister for War  (Terauchi Masatake, I would imagine, the Minister for War in office 1902-1911). He credits a few more Japanese officials and translator, but does not name any of the paperwork that was used as material to produce his book.

So in my previous post I shared this:

(Murdoch’s History of Japan, book 2, page 124)

This is from the same book, page 172:

This passage describes that Nobunaga has a consort who is the daughter of "Asai, lord of Oumi”, and that this Asai fellow is a Christian. 

Something like this might result with someone reading this and wondering if for some reason Nobunaga had taken one of his own nieces as consort, because Murdoch does not give us the personal names of “Asai”. I would imagine that one was supposed to be Nagamasa and the other one his father Hisamasa, since that would make more sense.

It still makes the story rather strange. If that were the case, it means the source is implying that neither of the Azai men died! After their defeat, they were simply stripped off their fiefs, then converted to Christianity and lived in peace. An interesting counter to the golden skulls narrative, though I think the skull story is more credible. 

The consort who produced Nobunaga’s heir was believed to be the Lady Ikoma (Kitsuno), who passed away before the missionaries met Nobunaga. She is not related to the Asai. If this second Asai is Hisamasa, his only Christian daughter is Kyougoku Maria. 

Alas, poor Kyougoku Maria, her identity appears to have been confused with so many other women!

Incidentally, the one being described as the “second son” here sounds like Nobutaka, who is the third son. I do not have the quote on hand, but someone has once posted the Japanese translation of a missionary letter that mentioned this event. It said that Oda Nobutaka was very interested in converting, but was concerned about his father’s objections.

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“Maria Kyogoku would sell her bath water”

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Tell us all YOUR BASARA blorbos

Sengoku BASARA

(send me a fandom, and i'll tell you my blorbos)

blorbo (favorite character, character I think about the most)

Matsunaga Hisahide. If anyone has followed me... for any length of time... well...

scrunkly (my “baby”, character that gives me cuteness aggression, character that is So Shaped)

Maeda Keiji the most character, the most person, the most scrunkly ever. He is filled with such passion and love, sharing the dream of gay space communism utopia with the world

scrimblo bimblo (underrated/underappreciated fave)

Mogami Yoshiaki. This man is the smartest person in the entire series. He deserves Oushuu, honestly. No, I do not accept criticism

glup shitto (obscure fave, character that can appear in the background for 0.2 seconds and I won’t shut up about it for a week)

Well, Ashikaga Yoshiteru ans Kyougoku Maria aren’t exactly obscure, but they’re new to the series, so a lot of people don’t bother to try to understand them or learn more about them. Also, Yoshiteru didn’t make it into Batopa. Sob. I love them

poor little meow meow (“problematic”/unpopular/controversial/otherwise pathetic fave)

Kobayakawa Hideaki. He is more pathetic than “problematic,” but he is weirdly unpopular among the Western Fandom(TM). He just wants to enjoy a hot pot with his dear friend Tenkai... sniff...

horse plinko (character I would torment for fun, for whatever reason)

Maeda Toshiie. I don’t like tormenting people, but he can go first in the war criminal plinko. The war criminal pear wriggler. Ironically, BASARA tends to ignore war crimes, but for Toshiie, they go out of their way to show that he was present for the few war crimes showcased in the entire franchise. My dude experienced all of this and then thought that serving Hideyoshi was the way to right those wrongs? AND he criticizes Keiji for not being like Hideyoshi. Bye, centrist 

eeby deeby (character I would send to superhell)

Miyamoto Musashi. I’m not putting any disclaimers on this one, he can go straight to BASARA hell, which means disappearing from the franchise without any acknowledgement from the other characters that he even existed (this is a joke)

[daeva-agas]

Sometimes I randomly wonder why Hide didn’t choose Gotoku (Nobu’s eldest daughter) as the concubine, instead of picking one of the younger daughters.

Like... it’s not like she’s married to anyone at the time. And Hideyoshi isn’t opposed to taking widows as concubines (e.g Kyougoku Maria’s daughter IIRC). Did her brother or uncles say HELL NO or something? Or is she just not pretty enough? 

Wouldn’t it be funny if like... he did try, and the response is like “GET LOST OR I WILL TEAM UP WITH THE HONGANJI AND RIOT” and riots are bad so Hide chose someone else. 

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[Update] 斬劇『戦国BASARA』天政奉還 (zangeki sengoku basara ~ tenseihoukan)

the show will be running from July 12th, 2019 to July 21st, 2019 (Tokyo) @ ヒューリックホール東京 (Hulic Hall Tokyo) & July 26th, 2019 to July 28th, 2019 (Osaka) @ 梅田芸術劇場 シアター・ドラマシティ (Umeda Geijutsu Gekijou Theater Drama City)

visuals update under the cut^^

Cast:

Mashima Shuuto as Date Masamune (伊達政宗)

Matsumura Ryuunosuke as Sanada Yukimura (真田幸村)

Okino Kouji as Ishida Mitsunari (石田三成)

Nagata Seiichiro as Tokugawa Ieyasu (徳川家康)

Inoue Masahiro as Katakura Kojuurou (片倉小十郎) Kubota Hidetoshi as Ashikaga Yoshiteru (足利義輝) Sueno Takuma as Takenaka Hanbee (竹中半兵衛) Maeda Shinji as Fuuma Kotarou (風魔小太郎) Takaoka Hiroki as Kobayakawa Hideaki (小早川秀秋) Takayanagi Akane as Oichi (お市) Deguchi Arisa as Tsuruhime (鶴姫) Seto Yuusuke as Akechi Mitsuhide (明智光秀) Seto Yuusuke as Tenkai (天海) Daigo Seshiru as Kyougoku Maria (京極マリア) Matsuda Kenji as Matsunaga Hisahide (松永久秀) Kitano Shoutarou as Miyoshi Sanninshuu Eldest Brother (三好三人衆・長兄) Hisamichi Narimitsu as Miyoshi Sanninshuu Second Brother (三好三人衆・次男) Tanuma Georgy as Miyoshi Sanninshuu Third Brother (三好三人衆・三男)

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MCU x MKDC

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by Yvette_Kaitou_1412

Kaito Kuroba has always been an extraordinary magician. Everyone knows that, and so many others have seen his potential. Fortunately for us and for everyone else Kaito is a good person. So who better to train him than the agents and personal of S.H.I.E.L.D. along with our favorite heroes.

Follow Kaito as he has interactions not just with his detectives, see as he learns how to be a hero.

  A bunch of one-shots of the MCU with Magic Kaito and Detective Conan. What we've always wanted to see, out favorite magician becoming a hero along without favorite characters of the MCU! Please be kind this is my first work here!!

Words: 1697, Chapters: 1/?, Language: English

Series: Part 1 of Kuroba Kaito AU's

Fandoms: Marvel Cinematic Universe, The Avengers (Marvel Movies), Magic Kaito, 名探偵コナン | Detective Conan | Case Closed

Rating: General Audiences

Warnings: Creator Chose Not To Use Archive Warnings

Categories: Multi

Characters: Carol Danvers, Phil Coulson, Nick Fury, Tony Stark, Pepper Potts, Morgan Stark (Marvel Cinematic Universe), Vision (Marvel), Wanda Maximoff, Pietro Maximoff, Clint Barton, Laura Barton, Nathaniel Pietro Barton, Lila Barton, Cooper Barton, Natasha Romanov (Marvel), Happy Hogan, Peter Parker, Peter Quill, Rocket Raccoon, Groot (Marvel), Mantis (Marvel), Gamora (Marvel), Nebula (Marvel), Chewie | Goose (Marvel), Meredith Quill, Scott Lang, Cassie Lang, Cassie Lang's Pet Ant, Hank Pym, Maria Hill, Maria Trovaya, Hope Van Dyne, Bruce Banner, Thor (Marvel), James "Bucky" Barnes, James "Rhodey" Rhodes, James Rhodes, T'Challa (Marvel), Shuri (Marvel), May Parker (Spider-Man), Michelle Jones, Loki (Marvel), Brunnhilde | Valkyrie (Marvel), Thanos, Steve Rogers, Sam Wilson (Marvel), Kuroba Kaito | Kaitou Kid, Kuroba Kaito | Kaitou Kid's Dove(s), Nakamori Aoko, Nakamori Ginzou, Kudou Shinichi | Edogawa Conan, Kisaki Eri, Mouri Kogorou, Mouri Ran, Haibara Ai | Miyano Shiho, Miyano Akemi, Karen (Spider-Man: Homecoming), Friday (Marvel), Peggy Carter, Suzuki Sonoko, Suzuki Jirokichi, Hattori Heiji, Hattori Shizuka, Hattori Heizou, Flash Thompson, Kuroba Chikage, Kuroba Touichi, Yoshida Ayumi, Kojima Genta, Tsuburaya Mitsuhiko, Vermouth (Meitantei Conan), Chianti (Meitantei Conan), Gin (Meitantei Conan), Megure Juuzou, Satou Miwako, Takagi Wataru, Tooyama Kazuha, Kyougoku Makoto, Akai Shuuichi | Okiya Subaru, Amuro Tooru | Furuya Rei

Additional Tags: Family, Kaito is the best, just a bunch of one shots

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Would you like to share theories and headcanons about Sengoku Basara? I too am seeking other fans

uuuh honestly since I LOVE Basara but mostly live on the crack it provides, most of my “theories” (haha) or headcanons I can come up with on the spot without going into detailed discussions are just, well, crack:

Kotaro Fuuma: excels at being the coolest, most capable and fearsome Shinobialso Kotaro Fuuma: also excels at being the absolute biggest WEIRDO in Sengoku Basara (I repeat, in Sengoku Basara) by actually not being cool and suave at all but having a literal bird-brain. Bird-kin, if you will. He doesn’t care much about anything or anyone, he’s a simple man - he sees a bird an hits upvote, he gets an order from the Hojo clan and he happily obeys (for reasons another theory explains). Both explains why he keeps rescuing Tsuruhime, who’s a friend of his boss AND literally Little Crane.  Please imagine Sasuke learning about this.

there’s a theory that Kotaro is actually an incarnation/remnant/idek/??? of the first head of the Hojo clan watching over his descendants. I’m not sure if I subscribe to thacompletely but I think it’s pretty interesting.

anyone in Sengoku Basara who can think like 2 steps ahead qualifies as a tactician. This also includes a bunch of characters who aren’t officially strategists. Who needs to be all that smart though when the Sengoku Basara setting doesn’t exactly operate on earthly logic and cosmic rules, anyway.

speaking of which, Kanbei isn’t really -that- much of an idiot, he just has a ton of bad luck. And gets carried away a bit. And can’t shut up so he keeps revealing all of his ~brilliant plans~ all the time. yeah okay he’s a BIT of an idiot

*chanting about dysfunctional Kyushu family*

not so much a theory/headcanon but Kyougoku Maria? I’ve always wondered why she never looked to me like she belonged in a Basara game. Look at her. She’s a Griffith expy.

Mitsunari is into eurodance

Kenshin is bald just like Shingen. Yes. It’s a sign of their bond.

Motonari looks like an Okra because he dresses up as one. To better photosynthesize Nichirin’s sunrays with, am I right

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[Hitomi] Stage show 『The Red Moon Night〜The Moon That Flies at Night〜』 February 22 (Wed) - 26 (Sun) @ Shinjuku village LIVE

I, Isaka Hitomi, am playing Maria 💜 She’s a woman who is an official bodyguard with a strong sense of justice. In the story, it’s a very important role. Please come see it 🤤💕

[Chisato] Maria, Maria 💓 My favorite Marias are still increasing in number 🙆✨ laughs Everyone, definitely go worship the beautiful Maria at the stage play 💓

[Hitomi] Chi, thank you (*´꒳`*) 💕 I’ll listen to Chi’s Kyougoku Maria’s Theme Song and do my best 💪🔥🔥🔥

[odaclan]

Being careful of old/outdated resources, and works that cite them

In my Christmas Truce post, I made an offhand comment on how James Murdoch’s books contains erroneous narrative. I’m going to elaborate on this, as well as presenting a warning about being careful when you read any book about Sengoku Japan.

James Murdoch’s books are useful when he directly quotes and/or translates texts from the Jesuit documents (such as Luis Frois's Historia de Japam or other missionary letters). The translation he provides matches the translation provided by a different English translator, so I’m of the opinion that his translation of Jesuit documents are not "wrong”.

It’s the narrative he provides in between is sometimes very strange. 

That is, “strange” when compared to the things that are “currently accepted as fact” about Sengoku Japan. Murdoch was in Japan in the Meiji era, and wrote his books between 1903 and 1917. Whatever source he was using, he did not cite, except for the quotes from the Catholics. Perhaps his sources were materials that were lost in the war, or things that have since been discredited due to progress in historical research.

For example, Murdoch narrates this about “Asai”:

(History of Japan by James Murdoch, Book 2, page 124)

Based on the description about how “Asai” is lord of Oumi and is married to Nobunaga’s sister, it sound like he was talking about Azai/Asai Nagamasa, but the footnote (marked by number 2 there) narrates a very very strange claim.

As a lot of Sengoku fans would know: after their defeat, Azai Nagamasa and his father are dead. Golden skull story and all. Who is this “Asai” fellow who converted into Christianity, then? Why would James Murdoch think this is what happened? What is his source? I don’t know. 

Perhaps a source had somehow confused and conflated Kyougoku Maria (who was Nagamasa’s older sister) with her brother. The footnote indicates that Murdoch had at the very least confused Maria's identity, as he named her as Chacha/Yodo-gimi’s sister for some reason. As Nagamasa’s sister, Maria would’ve been Yodo-gimi’s aunt.

I like to say that just because a source exist, doesn’t mean the story is true, and that’s why you need to be careful about where the story is coming from. This is a prime example of such case. I have read in passing some other English-language books about Japanese history that quote James Murdoch. Well, James Murdoch’s text... is not entirely accurate, as we have just seen. It might not be a good idea to blindly trust everything this book says. 

When you read any text, even if the book is presenting a very confident claim or cites a legitimate-sounding source, just take everything with a grain of salt and be prepared to have your understanding completely debunked by something else somewhere in the future. 

Excavation of old castles are still underway, and medieval paperwork still continue to be discovered. People like Murdoch is not at fault because they probably write based on what they have at the time. We now have more resources than they do. Keeping up to date with new discoveries is not easy, so if you intend to research for the purpose of learning about the facts, it’s best to not be too attached to a popular idea just because it’s often featured in media or fiction.

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MCU x MKDC

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by Yvette_Kaitou_1412

Kaito Kuroba has always been an extraordinary magician. Everyone knows that, and so many others have seen his potential. Fortunately for us and for everyone else Kaito is a good person. So who better to train him than the agents and personal of S.H.I.E.L.D. along with our favorite heroes.

Follow Kaito as he has interactions not just with his detectives, see as he learns how to be a hero.

  A bunch of one-shots of the MCU with Magic Kaito and Detective Conan. What we've always wanted to see, out favorite magician becoming a hero along without favorite characters of the MCU! Please be kind this is my first work here!!

Words: 1697, Chapters: 1/?, Language: English

Series: Part 1 of Kuroba Kaito AU's

Fandoms: Marvel Cinematic Universe, The Avengers (Marvel Movies), Magic Kaito, 名探偵コナン | Detective Conan | Case Closed

Rating: General Audiences

Warnings: Creator Chose Not To Use Archive Warnings

Categories: Multi

Characters: Carol Danvers, Phil Coulson, Nick Fury, Tony Stark, Pepper Potts, Morgan Stark (Marvel Cinematic Universe), Vision (Marvel), Wanda Maximoff, Pietro Maximoff, Clint Barton, Laura Barton, Nathaniel Pietro Barton, Lila Barton, Cooper Barton, Natasha Romanov (Marvel), Happy Hogan, Peter Parker, Peter Quill, Rocket Raccoon, Groot (Marvel), Mantis (Marvel), Gamora (Marvel), Nebula (Marvel), Chewie | Goose (Marvel), Meredith Quill, Scott Lang, Cassie Lang, Cassie Lang's Pet Ant, Hank Pym, Maria Hill, Maria Trovaya, Hope Van Dyne, Bruce Banner, Thor (Marvel), James "Bucky" Barnes, James "Rhodey" Rhodes, James Rhodes, T'Challa (Marvel), Shuri (Marvel), May Parker (Spider-Man), Michelle Jones, Loki (Marvel), Brunnhilde | Valkyrie (Marvel), Thanos, Steve Rogers, Sam Wilson (Marvel), Kuroba Kaito | Kaitou Kid, Kuroba Kaito | Kaitou Kid's Dove(s), Nakamori Aoko, Nakamori Ginzou, Kudou Shinichi | Edogawa Conan, Kisaki Eri, Mouri Kogorou, Mouri Ran, Haibara Ai | Miyano Shiho, Miyano Akemi, Karen (Spider-Man: Homecoming), Friday (Marvel), Peggy Carter, Suzuki Sonoko, Suzuki Jirokichi, Hattori Heiji, Hattori Shizuka, Hattori Heizou, Flash Thompson, Kuroba Chikage, Kuroba Touichi, Yoshida Ayumi, Kojima Genta, Tsuburaya Mitsuhiko, Vermouth (Meitantei Conan), Chianti (Meitantei Conan), Gin (Meitantei Conan), Megure Juuzou, Satou Miwako, Takagi Wataru, Tooyama Kazuha, Kyougoku Makoto, Akai Shuuichi | Okiya Subaru, Amuro Tooru | Furuya Rei

Additional Tags: Family, Kaito is the best, just a bunch of one shots

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[nexu101]

Who are your favorite Basara characters? What are your favorite ships?

Hey, Ken ; ) haha!

Hmm, oh boy, it’s going to be hard to narrow down my faves, but I will try! They are (in no particular order):-Matsunaga Hisahide-Tsuruhime-Maeda Keiji-Fuuma Kotarou-Katakura Kojuurou-Kyougoku Maria-Yoshiteru Ashikaga

As for ships, I like all the ships! I have a few that I especially like, but I’m a bit shy to talk about them on Tumblr :3c

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[Announcemenet] 斬劇『戦国BASARA』天政奉還 (zangeki sengoku basara ~ tenseihoukan)

the show is set for July 2019 (Tokyo & Osaka)

Cast:

Mashima Shuuto as Date Masamune (伊達政宗) Matsumura Ryuunosuke as Sanada Yukimura (真田幸村) Okino Kouji as Ishida Mitsunari (石田三成) Nagata Seiichiro as Tokugawa Ieyasu (徳川家康) Inoue Masahiro as Katakura Kojuurou (片倉小十郎) Kubota Hidetoshi as Ashikaga Yoshiteru (足利義輝) Sueno Takuma as Takenaka Hanbee (竹中半兵衛) Maeda Shinji as Fuuma Kotarou (風魔小太郎) Takaoka Hiroki as Kobayakawa Hideaki (小早川秀秋) Takayanagi Akane as Oichi (お市) Deguchi Arisa as Tsuruhime (鶴姫) Seto Yuusuke as Akechi Mitsuhide (明智光秀) Seto Yuusuke as Tenkai (天海) Daigo Seshiru as Kyougoku Maria (京極マリア) Matsuda Kenji as Matsunaga Hisahide (松永久秀) Kitano Shoutarou as Miyoshi Sanninshuu Eldest Brother (三好三人衆・長兄) Hisamichi Narimitsu as Miyoshi Sanninshuu Second Brother (三好三人衆・次男) Tanuma Georgy as Miyoshi Sanninshuu Third Brother (三好三人衆・三男)

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[basara-tunes]

Kyougoku Maria's Theme - Chisato Akita from KAMEN RIDER GIRLS