#Mh theories

[mh-dreamscape]

Fun fact brought to you by a marine biologist/marine affairs major!

Part 2: G1 Gil Webber

I’ve seen a lot of people complain about G1 Gil Webber and his lack of ears, so I just want to throw something out there!

According to Monster High, they state that “Fresh water monsters with some exceptions, but most have to wear helmets with water in them so they can breathe on land. As some fresh water monsters only have gills while other water monsters have gills and lungs.” This is pretty much saying that some water monsters are more “advanced” or “evolved” than others.

Fish don’t have ears like we do, but they have three types of otoliths, which help aid fish in balance and hearing. They also allow fish to sense vibrations in the water and better navigation of their surroundings in the water! Depending on the amount of rings and how big they are, you can even tell the fish’s age with them! These are a bunch of different fish species types of otoliths (see below):

As mentioned, otoliths are split into three different types: Sagitta, Asteriscus, and Lapillus. Sagitta is the largest of the three pairs and is involved in the detection of sound, the process of hearing, or converting sound waves into electrical signals. Asteriscus also helps with the detection and process of both sound and hearing, while Lapillus is involved with the detection of gravitational force and sound.

You’re probably wondering what I’m getting to with this. Well, here’s a diagram of where otoliths are located in fish (see below):

As you can see, they are located right behind the brain and eyes which would mean that G1 Gil most likely has them due to not being “evolved” enough to not need a helmet to breathe. These otoliths help him hear sound through the water and not leave him hearing muffled voices with regular ears due to water inflow!

Hopefully this is all explained enough, but I could definitely go deeper as I work with a variety of fish and have extracted otoliths to look at age myself!

[triblu]

Okay my head is very full again and I gotta pour it out again

So there is a very small cinematic universe rn with marble hornets [...the hornetverse? ..operatorverse?]

Cosisting of (in order of appearance)

Marble hornets

Clear lakes 44 ( in a semi cannon form)

ECVKA

The marble hornets comics

[Do correct me if i miss anything]

These cross over in an interesting way as the comics tie directly to the original series and ECKVA only really has the broadcaster, mentioning clear lakes, and preaxin.

They branch out separately with the comics taking place in Alabama near the original siting of marble hornets and Eckva taking place outside of the state (as we see it taking over the broadcasting range of CL44 which followed Tim after his move out of the rosswood area)

[My money is on Georgia as the state]

Their still fairly separate right now, but as we see, there is a bit of a thread to follow in them crossing paths.

First off, the obvious, Tim

If this portion of clear lakes is still cannon we see Tim post MH alive and holding a job. its possible that Jessica and/or Skully could seek out the poor SOB and try to get some help on their mission and equally likely, ECKVA may be keeping track on him

While i would adore this, two ARG protagonists fighting over Tim goddamn Wright. I also would like to bring up a different possibility

Seth

Theres two common theories i have heard about our dog loving camera man (besides not being dead)

[I'm fairly certain seth isn't dead as we see the many skully carries and we do not see Seth's face among them]

1. He is the creator of totheark the watchful eye to the trio of Brian and Tim working to kill alex despite the operators protection

2. He is Shawkins1926 sibling to Shawkins1928 Shelby Hawkins and the static handed investigator of an old property

If these two theories are true we have the perfect thread as the ark now is completely spilt

Brian is dead among Skully

Tim has been moving on but still

Seth is dealing with new problems likely connected to the operator still

I would lose my mind if they all meet up again one day in one of the series

LET BRIAN AND TIM MAKE UP

Side note:

I really believe that a series [maybe one of the comics!] That covers the events of marble hornets through the broken lense of each to the arc member would be incredible AND I VERY MUCH WANT IT

[antlergrave]

slowly creeping back to my eyestraining bg phase ew

[holywooffle]

bugs when you lift up a rock

[a-comedic-tragedian]

pov: you are walking through the woods and stumble across this man wandering around with a camera looking for his ex-director

[nexo-nex]

I love how EAH / MH had both established that they are in different dimensions but connected by portals with the whole Cupid episode, and thus confirming to us that both storylines and characters are all set in a same universe BUT in different dimensions with each both having different worlds.

That's until the New Ghoul in School game comes out and shows to us that the Monster High students like to WATCH Ever After High, like, as a show.

What does that mean? Are the EAH students fictional characters in the eyes of the MH students? Or yet, is the Ever After High world being recorded and broadcasted like a reality TV show?

[phoenixgreen]

[brain4heartz]

i hc that tim was never lucid as masky idc what nightmind says

[moralyte]

Okay, theory time.

I think the “half human half werewolf” thing in monster high g3 purely just dictates how the werewolf will be born. Like a genetic gamble thing, kind of.

All werewolves have a human and wolf gene and, as we know, in biology genes can either be dominant or recessive.

Selena has both genes, implied that her wolf genes were dominant, Apollo only has the human gene.

SO, with that said, here’s how i see it:

Clawdeen was born with a dominant human gene and a recessive wolf gene. Therefore, she was born in her human form.

Clawd, on the other hand (paw?), was born with a dominant wolf gene and a recessive human gene. Therefore, he was born in his werewolf form.

I KNOW IM DEFINITELY THINKING ABOUT THIS TOO HARD BUT I NEED THINGS TO MAKE SENSE ALL THE TIME OR I GO CRAZY

Again, this is just my theory and you’re allowed to disagree, just be nice about it :3

[thunderstomm]

Rewatching MH as always, and in the episode "Monster Movie", Deuce mentions that he used to watch "Zeus Movies" as a kid. Is... Zeus an actor in the Monster High universe???

I have to imagine e it is for a really cheesy genre, like romance movies or naybe even some sort of cinematic equivalent to soap operas?? I like the idea of Zeus being a popular romance star because it would be a funny tie-in reference to Zeus'... mythology, and how he is very. Y'know. Zeus-y.

[official-locke-writing]

I need you guys to understand something.

A slenderverse essay-rant on possession, entities, and the mechanics of Slenderman's game.

I don't say "proxy" in a serious context at all when I am talking about my slenderverse characters or even canon characters.

Proxies don't exist. Proxies are a Creepypasta-esc generalization of what the characters are. It's watered-down. It's a term I use simply because people can understand it and are familiar with it.

Here's the Villains Wiki definition of a proxy:

A Proxy (or Proxies for plural) are a given term for people who are possessed or under the influence of Slender Man [...] destroying their sanity or killing them in the process.

I've completely discarded this concept. Slenderman does not possess people, it creates networks. It enslaves entities to do its bidding, who then impose their unknowably complex and mind-shattering presence upon their victims. It's an invisible war not native to mortal beings in the slightest. It's outside of time and space completely.

Think about it; the inexplicably inhuman nature of HABIT. The Collective entities emit so much radiation that cameras/electronics physically break down the longer they're pointed at one; same with Slenderman itself. A literal Geiger counter was used as a Slenderman detector; anything it touches emits a terrible mind-bending cosmic sickness capable of destroying physical objects, not just people. It's like touching acid. It melts your brain out of your ears and disrupts electromagnetic, electrostatic and electrical waves. It can bend reality itself. It can teleport.

"Masky" and "Hoodie" don't seem to know how to communicate at all in a human-like manner and they completely disregard the identities of Tim and Brian. It's because they never were Tim and Brian. They weren't even people at all. They were things from a place outside of reality. Hoodie's crude mimicry of human communication is a huge red herring and they are both mute entirely in person.

Slenderman's victims are always nutjobs. They're already crazy, the pressure that Slenderman brings down on these select people makes them crack easily. Alex. Evan. Noah. It chooses emotionally and mentally unstable people for a reason; they're easy to terrorize and manipulate. The possession isn't done by Slenderman itself, but by these creatures it controls. No one is under the influence of Slenderman, it just keeps these entities under its thumb through intimidation and fear.

You heard me. These creatures are terrified of Slenderman. Even HABIT, despite its taunts. HABIT hates Slenderman and even acts to avoid it on several occasions. It refers to Slenderman as a "god," even. What devoted proxy hates its master? An angry one that is forced into servitude and acts out in retaliation, completely destroying Slenderman's plans for the EMH crew by doing incredibly outrageous things in an attempt to break out of the loop.

If I had to guess, Slenderman created EMH's iteration loop to imprison HABIT, and its spent hundreds of thousands of loops attempting to get out, which is why it has absolutely no qualms killing and maiming people. Why it seems to be completely calm and casual when reality begins to degrade. Excited, even. It went insane after being in groundhog day for an infinite amount of lifetimes. Though, this is just a theory based off of minimal context.

Hoodie speaks in code and hides in desolate places to avoid being caught aiding the Marble Hornets crew. Masky isn't "friends" with Hoodie at all, they're just both caught up in the same bullshit and Masky feeds on Tim's anger, turning violent at the drop of a dime. Hoodie uses him as a weapon and for protection.

Firebrand broke away from the cult and was met with the wrath of its superiors. The Collective is made of those who are either too scared to leave or genuinely subservient/obedient to Slenderman. Noah felt the influence of the Collective's presence, bringing out his worst in the extreme. The radiation made his psyche crack.

You think Slenderman has a little mansion out in the woods for these guys? They're forced into poverty. They can't keep homes, jobs, or basic necessities. Hoodie had an oil lantern and was camping out in a drainage tunnel. Abandoned buildings in the woods with what food and water they can lift off victims or steal. They aren't allowed to have relationships, kin, or a home.

Chances are, there are many, many more of these entities just swimming around off camera. Keeping all the tiny little pieces running in Slenderman's affairs. Human cults are regarded as insignificant and almost an affront to these creatures. Humans are food for the machine. They can never truly comprehend the end goal of Slenderman or those at its command. They're disposable pawns. HABIT killed many of them in EverymanHYBRID without much ensuing retaliation.

Linking these series together, there is a coherent and rather blatant war happening between these entities and Slenderman. They seem oppressed, sick, batshit, impoverished and angry. Those who attempt to leave are killed or basically sent to Super Hell.

It's not that they're good people. They're all absolutely horrid and malevolent entities, but they want to be able to do what they want. They don't really enjoy being enslaved.

It's not looking great out there for them.

[victini-shipps]

Honestly, I'm getting paranoid about season 2 of mh. Toradeen g1 has been confirmed as canon, but now Venus is coming in s2 and Clawdeen seems to really like her. Did they give us the Toradeen g1 so we wouldn't be disappointed or are they just preparing the couple for the final? Did they mask Howleen as Venus's love interest when it was actually always Clawdeen? Toralei is barely mentioned, will she have to deal with her trauma alone because Clawdeen is so busy right now? It has been said that Clawdeen and Frankie will have a larger role in the story, what will Frankie's storyline be? We will have their parents, Frankie dealing with the distance from Clawdeen and Draculaura.

I should sleep, but I'm creating theories…

[garr9988]

Manny’s Broken Horn Theories

Now that we know that Manny will get some kind of focus episode(s) in the near future, I’ll jot down some of my theories on how his left horn got broken.

Established Facts

Some information courtesy of Shea Fontana’s Twitter that will help inform these theories:

Manny “was raised by his grandmoo and grandbull”

Manny wants to be a veterinarian

Upcoming episodes will reveal that some currently established characters have invisible disabilities

Manny’s new iteration was designed with a conscious effort not to equate being large with being a jerk

Theories

Currently, the theory I find most likely is that Manny was involved in some kind of accident or targeted attack that both broke his horn and killed his parents, thus explaining why he’s been raised by his grandparents. This incident could have thus left him with lasting trauma that gives him nightmares, which could be something Twyla sees and helps him with when she enters his dreams in “Boogey Nightmare”. As seen with Lagoona’s strained family, the show isn’t averse to portraying unfortunate familial circumstances that real kids that watch the show have to live with, so having lost both of one’s parents fits in my opinion. Maybe the accident/attack somehow involved an animal (the equivalent of hitting a deer?), and it ties into his desire to be a veterinarian?

Second theory is that Manny’s effeminate mannerisms (you all saw the way he ran does the stairs and squeed in “The Case of the Missing Squeak”) made his father abuse him for not being masculine enough, to the point of breaking his horn. Eventually his father lost custody and Manny lived with his grandparents since. I find this theory less likely because it feels a bit too much for the show to delve into, even with the above point (especially with how Toralei’s mother & Heath’s fathers are most certainly getting improvement arcs, so an unredeemed abuser feels out of place).

Least compelling & interesting theory was just that Manny was bullied by monsters even bigger than him and they broke his horn. Shrug.

This is an outdated theory now that I’ve gotten to see Manny some more and learned that he was specifically designed with a conscious effort not to equate being large with being a jerk, but I figure I’d include it here for AU fuel and posterity: in the past, Manny used to be more like his G1 counterpart, a bully. Eventually he got into a fight with someone that could hit back, and his horn was broken. After some kind of wake-up call, he turned himself around and became a kind academic.

[missholoska]

So, in Water Under the Bridge (the underswap take by Moonster) Goner Kid is swapped with Ralsei. Is that also the case in your Underswap take?

ooh I'm not familiar with that take but that's a cool swap :0

it's not one I'm using though; an idea I had pretty recently (haven't properly thought it through yet, it is just an idea right now) is that since I leave Gaster unswapped (because there's so little character to work with while Deltarune is incomplete, so until then I'm avoiding committing to any designs or headcanons for him) and most of the fun value events are in some way connected to Gaster, it'd probably make more sense to leave those unswapped too? aside from minor differences like referring to Undyne as the next Royal Scientist instead of Alphys, of course

in this case Goner Kid would remain unchanged, which I like more than making a Goner version of Asriel just for the sake of it when I don't have any inspiration to do so. plus if Temmie had access to some of those events during their resets, the thought of them potentially having encountered Goner Kid is fun :] (for me. incredibly not fun for them)

[brittlebutch]

Desperately trying to make sense of Alex's motivations in Season Two and you know, I do eventually have to wonder if maybe Alex wasn't actually lying in the majority of those tapes.

Like, we tend to assume that Alex's motivations have been a consistent throughline since the college years, but do we actually know that that's the case? Do we know for sure that Alex was acting in deliberate, calculated ways in 2006; or could it be that he's telling the Truth on those olds tapes when he says he's blacking out and can't remember what's happening to anyone? After all, if we're assuming that Season 2 Alex's motivations are the exact same as his motives in Season 3, then it doesn't make any sense at all that he spend months working with Jay to try to find Amy; Season 3 Alex would have attempted to kill Jay like, on sight just to get things over with as quickly as possible and contain the spread of contamination as best as he could.

But, maybe, if Alex really had been separated from Amy after the events of the 04-04-10 tape, and if he really doesn't know where she is, then maybe that could make things start to make more sense. Maybe he really had been watching Jay's channel, and seeing Jay start going through the same things he went through in college without things devolving into violence and disappearances, and wondered if things maybe could play out differently this time. Maybe he really did send that tape to Jay to ask him for help, maybe he really was just trying to find Amy.

But then, instead of actually being helpful, Jay makes it extremely clear that he's a lot more interested in stalking Alex than he is in finding Amy. Alex asked for help, and instead there's a bunch of masked dudes on Jay's heels that keep attacking him, Jay is breaking into his house, stealing his things, leading the Operator right to him all over again, keeps trying to get other people (namely: Jessica -- if Alex is being honest when he says that his call reassuring her that Amy had been found was an effort to make Sure she stayed away from everything that was happening) involved; and instead of anything getting better, instead of anyone finding Amy, things are just getting worse all over again.

It's not until after the incident at the tunnel that things seem to start rapidly devolving. Rather than a calculated attempt to finally follow through with his need to curb the spread of contamination, this is very clearly an outburst of rage and terror. Alex's "I told you not to follow me" line in conjunction with Jay speculating that Alex didn't know who that guy was, to me, pretty firmly seems to speak to Alex having mistaken that stranger for Jay. From his point of view, Alex knows that Jay and totheark know where he live, have broken in before, he suspects that Jay stole a key to make it easier to get into his house, and he's been followed on the daily for months -- Alex is sitting at the tunnel because he doesn't know where else he can go without being constantly surveilled, hunted, and assaulted. And instead of getting a moment by himself to breathe, Jay followed him out there all over again (it feels like Alex looks directly at the camera in Jay's footage of him from this day; he knew for a fact that Jay was there), and then to make matters worse now 'Jay' won't even keep his distance anymore.

So Alex lashes out. And it's not until afterwards that he looks down and finally recognizes that this wasn't Jay -- it was someone completely innocent. Things have finally reached the low point he was at in college all over again; maybe even worse this time. If Alex doesn't remember attacking anyone in college, but he was at least partially conscious of it this time, then things have reached an entirely new rock bottom, they've reached an absolute point of no return.

He has no idea what happened to Amy, and he's spent months trying to find her with no hint of where she could be; he doesn't know where Jay actually is or what additional trouble he could be causing at this point; he does know that now innocent people are getting caught in the crossfire (in regards to the stranger in the tunnel, and also Jessica now that Jay has her phone number, and the untold number of people Jay got involved when he started posting videos to the Marble Hornets channel); things are spiraling out of control and there's no one left to ask for help. The situation isn't getting better, it's getting worse; things aren't getting easier to handle, they're just getting more out of hand; the negative impact is spreading and who knows how much further it can still go?

So, Alex decides to go scorched earth. He disfigures the body with the rock either to hide evidence or to make sure the guy would actually stay dead and not just get back up to start his own cycle of contamination in a few years. He tries to give Jay one last chance to back off, and Jay instead admits he's been talking to Jessica, acts obstinate and lies about not having Alex's spare key, and then breaks into Alex's house a second time (minimum). If Alex doesn't stop him now, who will? Alex met with Jay planning to kill the others, and then himself, so he could put a stop to this once and for all and keep things from getting any worse than they already were.

Maybe it makes a lot more sense if, rather than being a strangely incomprehensible detour on what should have been a straight path, the events of Season Two were the breaking point that put Alex on that path to begin with.

[lemondoddle]

Having a normal one about color theory (shoutout @questionthewitness for pointing out some of these connections we are so normal <- lying)

edit: elaboration here!

[I.D. a mixed media chart of the characters from marble hornets placed around a color wheel in their own representative colors. tim in red, brian/hoody in yellow, jay in green and alex in blue while the operator is placed inside the color wheel. multiple lines, labels and arrows connect and point to the characters. tim, hoody and alex all have a red X behind their heads while jay has a yellow circle behind his head, not unlike a halo. a key next to hoody explains the X indicates a primary color and the circle a secondary color. the operator is also labeled with two arrows, the white part of it labeled "absence of color" and the black part "union of color". starting near the top left is a line connecting hoody and tim labeled "analogous: close, but not always together." there is also a small number one net to analogous. at the top right corner are lines connecting tim and alex reading "86: blue becomes red, red becomes blue." the words red and blue have been written in their respective colors. underneath that is lines connecting tim and jay labeled "complimentary: despite being opposites, they match perfectly." a single line points to the orange peeking out from alex's jacket labeled "compliment is stored within the self: isolation". alex and jay also have a line connecting them with a one, referring to the analogous definition. jay also has a singular line pointing to his hoodie labeled "palette also includes red and brown" red and brown being written in their own colors with brown having a small graphic of green and red mixing to create brown above it. finally, a line connecting hoody and alex reads "almost compliments but not quite. however; combining the two is necessary in creating green". green again is written in large green lettering. end I.D.]