#The Foreign Turnabout

[unnecessary-feelings]

ace attorney characters as tweets and other things i found on my phone

[figtreegif]

Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney Spirit of Justice (2016)

The Foreign Turnabout The Magical Turnabout The Rite of Turnabout Turnabout Storyteller Turnabout Revolution Turnabout Time Traveler

[inbarfink]

[wingsofelysium]

happy "Phoenix sets foot in an east asian theocracy and immediately puts his life on the line to defend a 9-year-old boy" Day!

[aaoneoffstournament]

ROUND ONE, POLL TWELVE

Bearded guy showdown! If I never have to type Pees’lubn Andistan’dhin again, it’ll be too soon.

[mischiefmaverick]

Didn’t think I’d be cross-examining Jesus Christ himself, but here we are.

[probablygayattorneys]

With that exact wording, I can’t help it, all I could think was

He pulled off a cute little number in court

[box-dwelling]

6-1 is very very funny when you remember that Phoenix's two closest friends are an expert in foreign legal systems and someone who is a very devout follower of the religion he's slandering. You literally just needed to listen to like one special interest talk from either of them Nick and you would not be in this situation. They both dragged him along to do that stuff with them too. No excuse.

[ya-kiri]

AHAHAHAHAHA🤣👌

[secretagentspydetectiveninja]

The new trilogy means we finally got official French translations of the fifth and sixth games (the fourth already had one) so I did my thing and played through them, since they're always a lot of fun. Here are some things about French Dual Destinies I thought you might like to know:

Yes, it's set in France as per usual. They are all French people who live in Paris. And yes, that means that in this universe there is a Japanese village themed around yokai within throwing distance of Paris.

Athena lived in America in this version, and therefore peppers her speech with English and Spanish. My favourite unhinged franglais line was "let's get au travail" which I will be using from now on because it's hilarious

Many characters got French pun names again. Simon's name is "Jack Lamenoire" -- Jack, because the French version of Simon Says uses the name Jack/Jacques, and "lame noire" means "black blade". (Also he's not British or anything in this version, he just speaks in somewhat old-timey French.)

He has multiple nicknames for the judge that are all slight variations of "Your Baldness". He doesn't do that "-dono" suffix thing but he does refer to Phoenix in particular as "Maître Wright".

...I don't like pointing out things I didn't like buuuuuut his voice is a huge downgrade. Actually, to be honest, I don't like the new French voices that much in general... idk man they just don't sound very enthusiastic...

Filch's name is "Arsène Loupet", reference to the famous fictional thief Arsène Lupin, which I thought was pretty cool! (Herlock Sholmes was also a reference to that series too btw!)

Athena and Apollo use informal pronouns for each other pretty much from the get-go, but there have been some changes from the previous games: Phoenix now uses the informal "tu" for Apollo (and Athena) whereas in the prev game he didn't, Pearl now uses "tu" for Phoenix as well, and Klavier uses "tu" for Apollo now (but Apollo still calls him the formal "vous" lmao)

SPEAKING OF... SPEAKING OF. The French localisation continues to utterly baffle me when it comes to Klavier (or Konrad as he's called in French). No listen, liSTEN. In the previous game he was specifically stated to be English and did his law exams in England and dropped English words into his speech (and this is still the case in the trilogy version, I checked). But now?? They seem to have gone back on it and in this game he says he's German again, like the in English translation??? But he's still dropping English words into his speech randomly????? Look I already went through the five stages of grief when I found out they'd english-ified him, I made my peace with it, and NOW they change it???????

God and his new French voice sucks too (his old one was actually good)... what have they done to you my poor boy, was making you English not bad enough T_T Oh and he and Athena didn't even get their little language club moment where they both start speaking in the same foreign language?? Like, that just straight-up didn't happen here and I had been waiting for it aauuugh it's cool it's fine it's cool i'm okay i'm--

True to Dual Destinies fashion, there are still typos. In an emotional moment, Apollo took a leave of asbence from the office. Not absence. Asbence.

I can't put my finger on it but Robin's coming out scene felt more... respectful in French? The English translation was done over a decade ago so it feels somewhat dated, maybe that's why... I obviously don't know if she was purposely written to be a trans girl but she very much comes across that way, and it feels like the French translators were aware of that interpretation and took it into account, idk maybe it's just me

THEY GOT RID OF MY FAVOURITE LINE. THE FORESHADOWEY ONE WHERE SIMON TELLS ATHENA THAT THE PERSON SHE WANTS TO SAVE MORE THAN ANYONE ELSE IN THE WORLD DOESN'T DESIRE HER DEFENCE, AND HE'S CLEARLY TALKING ABOUT HIMSELF. THE FRENCH MADE HIM SAY SOMETHING ELSE WAY LESS COOL. I don't wanna be like "FRENCH TURNABOUT ACADEMY IS DEAD TO ME" because most of it was awesome, but man these occasional things made me wanna flip tables

Cosmic Turnabout and Turnabout for Tomorrow were great in French though, so there's that. Clay's French name is "Pierre" which worked surprisingly well because it means stone or rock, and the moon rock was also called that, so like, the phantom had to kill Pierre in order to get the pierre... idk it worked and it was cool

Simon and Athena switch to using informal pronouns for each other very near the end of the game, in the scene where they work together to psychologically mess with the phantom. It's around the time when they start openly calling each other by first name since everyone knows now that they're old friends.

Phoenix and Edgeworth also occasionally refer to each other by first name in this game, which threw me off completely. (Reminder that Edgeworth's French name is "Benjamin Hunter". Just picture Phoenix standing in front of Edgeworth and calling him BENJAMIN. Now you understand how absolutely bizarre it felt.)

Here's the entirety of The Dissin' of Phoenix Wright in French

[salamanderwithstrings]

Spoilers for Ace Attorney Investigations 2 and minor spoilers for Ace Attorney: Trials and Tribulations and Apollo Justice Ace Attorney

So in writing a fic I went down a largely unnecessary rabbit hole which resulted in me learning that:

A. The final case of AAI2 is the same month as Phoenix's disbarment

B. Bridge to the Turnabout happens two months before AAI1

Which means that in Feb 2019 is Iris's trial, after which Edgeworth goes overseas for a month.

Edgeworth gets back in March and immediately has to deal with 1. a murder on his flight, 2. a kidnapping, 3. a murder in his office, and 4. a murder at an embassy. All one after the other.

And then, The Next Week: 1. an assassination attempt on a foreign president, 2. the murder of that murderer, 3. an attempted murder, 4. Kay's amnesia and the accusations of murder against her, 5. resigning his badge, 6. the actual assassination of the aforementioned president, and 7. investigating a cold case.

And then once he thinks that's over with, The Next Week he hears that Phoenix Wright is going to be disbarred.

I think this joke's been made before but truly April 2019 is Miles Edgeworth's Terrible Horrible No Good Very Bad Month.

[goodluckdetective]

Hello I am thinking about Apollo Justice and how his 3 backstory elements as presented are a mess but when properly laid out with some thought, they work together just fine.

Apollo is thought to be an orphan in a foreign country where they have no way of finding or contacting any living family. His now foster father raises him as his own with his own son, and they’re a pretty solid family group despite the “being on the run” part. Apollo is raised up to age 9 in Khura'in and for all we know, he’s pretty happy there. However as things get dangerous, Dhurke decides Apollo being there is too dangerous and an in an attempt to keep him safe for what Dhurke assumes will be a year max, sends him to the states.

The games never clarify where Apollo is sent to and honestly, I think it’s probably a distant relative on Jove’s side, though the system or a boarding school is a possibility. Regardless, now Apollo is 9 and in a country that is entirely different to his own. Different culture, different weather, different everything. So is it any wonder that he takes an interest in the Turnabout Terror who is the closest reminder he has of Dhurke and his stories of being a defense attorney? Yeah, Dhurke might have abandoned him, but here’s a guy on screen who reminds Apollo of the way he used to view Dhurke: I can get why a 13 year old kid might follow Phoenix closely with that background. It may have been his closest reminder of home even when home hurt to think about. When Phoenix is disbarred Apollo is horrified and upon the dark age of law rushing in, decides to become a defense attorney.

Anyway, Apollo becomes friends with Clay who like him, knows what it’s like to not have a mom around (which might remind Apollo of the brother he lost when Dhurke left him here). They both have pretty focused career goals at a young age and hit it off.

Years pass and Apollo grows more bitter about his time in Khura'in which he tries to actively forget. Maybe that’s why he interns with Kristoph Gavin of all people, a cool, calm and collected attorney who has none of the bombastic persona that Phoenix does (and someone else Apollo refuses to think about). And when Apollo learns the persona was fake and that Phoenix tricked him to tear it down, who can blame him for decking him? Apollo was lied to by a defense attorney before (about going home, this is only temporary, he’ll be in touch). Who can blame him for being furious for falling for it a second time?

(When Clay dies, and Apollo doubts Athena it is because he’s trusted three defense attorney’s before, three who he thought had his back. One of them managed to redeem himself, but he’s not getting played this time. Kristoph Gavin was a bad person but he taught Apollo one important thing: evidence is evidence. Prove it or shut up. Because he’s not going to trust again without it).

It works together narratively! It just requires foresight going in so you can connect the themes from one point to another.

[nyaagolor]

Spirit of Justice rewrite

Had a moment where I really got thinking abt the game and went into rewrite mode— I don’t think I’ll expand on this concept for a bit because I have to finish DGS and have other projects I’m more invested in, but figure it couldn’t hurt to just throw down the ideas I have before I forget. Under the cut so I don’t clog the dash!

So first things first the biggest change I would make is relegating this game to spinoff land. My biggest issue with SOJ as a whole is how steeped the narrative is in some weird colonialism, and I think just taking the main cast out entirely could remedy Most of that. At the very least, making the entire cast Kuhrainese gets rid of the whole “we need foreigners to come and fix our legal system” thing, which is my main problem with the plot

Due to the above, Phoenix / Maya / Athena / Miles / etc are taken out completely. Apollo is too integral to the plot, so he gets replaced with an OC that serves as our protagonist. My current placeholder name for him is Hermes, but in this post I’ll just call him Protagonist

Protagonist keeps a lot of elements of the Apollo backstory— he’s the son of a traveling musician who died in the fire that “killed” Amara and was adopted / raised by Dhurke. I am tweaking it so that he’s 4 years younger than Nahyuta, mostly bc I thought that was canon the entire time

Instead of being sent to America, he’s sent to a temple. Dhurke assumes that because Nahyuta has royal blood, he’ll be safe at the castle and can safely keep an eye on things / his mama, while Protagonist gets sent to the temple because killing a monk would be a political disaster and that’s the only way Dhurke can think to protect him

Protagonist really wants to help the cause though, so he runs away from the temple at some point to become a bard-like figure, collecting information and helping the revolution while being a traveling musician. Using his status as an entertainer, he gets into places he otherwise wouldn’t to get intel and secretly studies law on the side

When his friend from his temple days (Ahlbi) is accused of theft and murder, he takes up the mantle of his adoptive father to defend him in court! No idea what his gimmick, if anything, will be. I think Dance of Devotion is enough but we'll see

Nahyuta’s plot is something that’s still very up in the air, but atm my biggest change is that he knows about Amara’s hiding and is being blackmailed to protect HER, not Rayfa. I’m unsure if I wanna keep the Rayfa sibling thing or not, but in spite of that the two are actually closer than in canon

Another big change is that because everyone is Kuhrainese and Ema is no longer in the game, there’s no detective! That’s where Rayfa comes in. I’m still shaky on the in-universe reason for her acting as quasi-detective, my current idea is that it’s imperative for her to get as much detail as possible so she can more accurately make her insights. Really I just wanna see more of her

By consequence, she’s around investigations much more often, following around both Protagonist and Nahyuta. Nahyuta in general just shows up more outside of the courtroom, and him and Rayfa have a strong bond and lots of banter with each other and the protagonist

Another slight tweak is that this game’s timeline is changed, taking place in the 90s and not the 2020s. The literal only reason for this is that I think Nahyuta studied abroad to learn about other legal systems and came back with the most out of touch 90s slang ever. He wears shutter shades in court

Final tweak for now is that the civil trial aspect of Turnabout Revolution is cut entirely, instead being replaced with a flashback case— Dhurke defending himself from the arson and regicide accusations with Datz as his co-counsel. It's simultaneously horrifying and silly

that's it for now! I might add more to this if I think of anything else :)

[spiritofjustice]

replayed Foreign Turnabout last night and my fucking god it is so funny realizing that Nahyuta and Rayfa act the same sometimes. look at this shit. this is the same shit Nahyuta says to people at age twenty-five, albeit that Nahyuta says this stuff with much more refinement and confidence.

it's so funny that they both do this independent of each other. i've always liked the idea of Rayfa and Nahyuta inadvertently mirroring each other and i feel validated by this moment

[celestialastronmy]

I've just completed the first ace attorney trilogy. I've been wanting to play the great ace attorney chronicles, So how does Ryunosuke compare to Phoenix since Ryunosuke is his ancestor?

Ryunosuke Naruhodo and Phoenix Wright – These two characters, albeit from different time periods, embody the essence of a defense attorney in the Ace Attorney universe, each with their unique flair and style.

Ryunosuke Naruhodo is a 19th-century rookie lawyer from Japan. On the other hand, Phoenix Wright, the face of the "Ace Attorney" series, is a modern-day defense attorney practicing in Japanifornia. Despite the century that separates them, they share a common lineage – Ryunosuke is Phoenix’s ancestor.

The first thing you notice is their personalities. Phoenix is the more laid-back and humorous of the two. He's famous for his 'turnabouts' in court, where he flips the entire case around, often in the most theatrical way possible. He's also got a knack for pulling together clues from out of nowhere, using his 'Psyche-Lock' ability to tell when someone's hiding something.

Ryunosuke, meanwhile, is more earnest and serious. He's less experienced and more naïve, which is often reflected in his courtroom behavior - he's prone to panic and self-doubt, but he's also incredibly determined and tenacious. Ryunosuke doesn’t have any special abilities like Phoenix, but he’s got the help of his witty legal assistant, Susato Mikotoba, and the legendary detective Herlock Sholmes.

Their lawyering styles are a reflection of their personalities. Phoenix’s approach is largely intuitive. He's not afraid to take risks, often bluffing his way through the trials, and he's always ready with a last-minute piece of evidence or a surprise witness. Ryunosuke's approach, on the other hand, is more methodical. He relies heavily on logic and deduction, using the 'Deduction' mechanic in the game to piece together the truth.

The historical contexts in which they practice law also shape their experiences as attorneys. Ryunosuke practices law in a time when Japan is just opening up to the West, and he has to navigate the cultural and legal differences as he studies in Britain. His cases often involve cross-cultural misunderstandings and biases, and he has to fight against the prejudice and suspicion of being a foreigner.

Phoenix, on the other hand, practices in a judicial system where the odds are heavily stacked in favor of the prosecution, and the defense is often fighting an uphill battle. His experiences reflect the issues of the modern legal world, such as corruption, media influence on trials, and the struggle of proving innocence in a system where 'guilty until proven innocent' is the norm.

So, there you have it. Phoenix and Ryunosuke, while sharing a professional lineage and a strong sense of justice, are distinct in their personalities, their lawyering styles, and the challenges they face in their respective times. Phoenix, with his intuitive style and turnabout tactics, and Ryunosuke, with his deductive reasoning and cultural navigation, offer two different, yet equally compelling, takes on the role of the defense attorney in the Ace Attorney universe.

[inbarfink]