#The abysmal treatment of POC characters

[somacruising]

I’m sorry but if I see anyone of my mutuals reblogging the C*stlevania Netflix show then I’m immediately unfollowing

[jeanvanjer]

some people acting like we didnt read the whlle article and they were making self deprecating jokes about themselves. they were distasteful misogynistic jokes aimed at a woc character than went on and on! they never talk about the other girls like this, even siena doesn't get this (not that it would be okay then either). also bb's comments just reaffirm that production and promo treated simone and charithra as interchangeable and mary was a glorified extra with shelley conn doing no promo

Oh I didn't read the whole article so i can't really comment on what i havent seen. I remember seeing a post on this a while back on reddit and truly assumed that BB and SR were talking about regency norms and perception of women and it was taken out of context and caused outrage. Clearly from the tiny passage i did read, it was not.

But that has no bearing on their treatment of poc characters which is continuously growing into a bigger problem the more things come out marketing/interview/actual show wise. Theyre all just props in one way or another.

the shows treatment of the Sharma family is truly abysmal and I have really low hopes for what will happen to Eddie's character in S3.

Simone CC and Shelley really deserved more from a show that likes to toot its own horn about ✨diversity✨

And not just them. Martins and Emma who play the Mondriches deserve more as well.

[kachinnate]

,,,,okay i know i just said i wasn’t going to talk about the deh movie but actually yeah imma talk about it for just a sec bc y’all actually make me legitimately distressed sajkfndsmjkgds

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hLQ_A0H1otc i dont have the braincells to do a shot by shot analysis right now but here’s what we’re lookin at

under a readmore because ghhhhhhh

firstly, let me lead with this: yes, from what we know, there’s a lot of things wrong with this movie. 

the worst, in my humble opinion, being the bts treatment of the (very few) actors of color, and the lack altogether of any production team members of color. that’s something that should be acknowledged, talked about, and fucking dug into especially at the current fucking period of time we’re living in. it’s unsurprising, but disgusting nonetheless, and it set this movie up for failure from the very beginning. i’m a white person so by no means so i feel inclined or like i have any authority in saying what one should feel wrt all of that, however i will say if there’s to be a boycott in not watching this movie, that should 100% be the reason why. it’s fully poc’s choice whether or not to forgive the production team or give this movie a chance for the irredeemable shit it did in regards to handling the movie’s production. the movie imo definitely doesn’t deserve their forgiveness, but again, that is not for me to say. 

there’s some little things too that i can’t fully think of off the top of my head - like, the whole making larry connor’s stepdad thing fucking irks me, for example, but, like...... listen.

if you know me like at all, you know my favorite word is nuance.

so, i’m going to say it outright: the way you people are approaching this three minute trailer shows literally.... none?? no nuance ??? is it no-nuance november over here or ???? like i’m begging you i’m BEGGING YOU to put aside your pre-determined prejudices against this movie and like stop pretending to be a renowned film critic for ten seconds because it’s really not as outright fucking abysmal as you are saying!! and also it’s possible to have opinions that aren’t completely fucking polarized to one side because guess what, the deh movie? a piece of media! what is the shit y’all are constantly preaching about having the ability to consume media critically ? because you’re trying to cancel a fucking trailer based on the contents of the trailer alone !!!!! hello !!!!!!!!

media is bound to be problematic. if y’all were as quick to judge any movie as you did this one, guess what you wouldn’t be watching any movies like ever <3 

anyway lets get into the parts that are probably going to get me cancelled lmao 

ben platt - listen. LISTEN. listen i know he’s too old to be reprising evan we ALL know he’s too old to be reprising evan i’ve heard this same argument since the announcement was made we get it we all know. haha he’s a grandpa yes bestie ur so right ur so funny wow. i do agree that we should’ve maybe had a not-ben-platt evan moment but here’s some things to keep in mind: the arguments of “oooh ABF is right there !!!!!!” 1. who’s to say he was available? 2. the environment of a movie is so, SO much different than that of a musical -- as much as you wanna pretend you know everything from just a trailer, there’s no way of knowing what scenes were added that might’ve made the movie like.. idk possibly more intense story-wise not even COUNTING the fact that just inherently a movie set is different than a musical one? like yes ben platt might be just being used as a device but that’s probably not the sole and only reason. Also, if i see One (1) more comment about his FUCKING HAIR 😃 first of all it’s not that deep like... if you’re so distracted by an actor having their hair different that’s on you, but going as far as to call it bad or distracting or being like Vehemently a way about it? y’all i know it’s most likely not your intention but that is literally just ben platt’s natural fuckin ETHNICALLY JEWISH hair sajknfgkjds!!!! i’m not the first to make this point, but like dsjnfkjdsg!??! y’all are being so mean about it and for WHAT? again, maybe not intentional, but it reads as like high key Very antisemetic and you should.... maybe not 😳 be that way

connor. the thing about a trailer is that they don’t show you all the scenes because they want you to come see the movie. right? can we agree on that? all the connor scenes in the trailer had SEVERAL hard cuts, omitting a lot of the scene -- like the computer lab scene! we see the beginning of it, there’s a VERY obvious hard cut, and then he’s running out! in my opinion my first watch through of this trailer i had a very like “:// hmm all these actors feel a lil like dry”, but man oh man the comments ive seen about connor. holy shit guys. this boy gets 7 minutes of stage time in the actual musical, and the whole thing is we DON’T KNOW VERY MUCH ABOUT HIM. not to burst your bubble, and i by no means hate connor, i love me some good connor lives fics and stuff, but everything we write with connor being alive? that is !! speculation on our part !!!! those are headcanons and us using the little context we have!! connor doesn’t have any significant development IN THE SOURCE MATERIAL that is being adapted into a movie !!! you 1. can’t fully judge a character with already limited screentime in a 3 minute trailer, 2. can’t really call what connor has canonically in the musical as in depth character development !! what is his arc then !!!! he pushes evan, goes to the computer lab, has an outcast loner kid moment, gets upset, takes the letter, DIES. sorry stans, that’s just how it is !! and, AND, everything in between, all the idiosyncracies, that depends on the actor playing connor! speaking of, you know who the actor is playing connor in the movie? that’s right, colton ryan! so, i don’t know, maybe... have some trust in the process, in an actor who ALREADY has played connor on broadway???? and also trust that you will get more connor content then u are seeing from a 3 minute trailer!! dhgnijsdg and some of the comments on like his appearance specifically? like are you really made that he doesn’t have long hair?? they kept his nails and his rings but nahhh the hair was apparently a MUST HAVE (even though like.. not all connor actors on broadway always had/have long hair but w/e).. REGARDLESS. tldr on THAT , the movie would have to do a pretty shitty job if they want to take something from someone who doesn’t have much to begin with and i think y’all are being extremely harsh on this point 

jared. honestly i’m a bit worried too about the like... name change, because it does have the potential to be taking out some representation, but... they did change the name to fit the actor’s ethnicity? it’s a really [hmm] topic because, again, from a trailer and from what we have been told we don’t KNOW a lot of the context, but i think it’s important to remember that uh.. jewish people aren’t just? always white ?? there’s a possibility they changed the last name to fit with the [ethnicity] while keeping him jewish?? ofc there’s the possibility that they Didn’t and ... again hm that’s its own thing altogether but just reiterates the point that you can’t knock a whole movie just based on the trailer. you can’t talk about things you know nothing about. 

alana. same thing as before, you can’t.... completely bash a character based on a 3 minute trailer. there was discussion about how she seemed ‘shy’ when talking to evan, which like.. maybe she is but also that scene was them talking in a library like if u actually take notice of what’s happening in the scene jdskngsd though i do share the general consensus with many others that she won’t get a lot of screen-time but that’s neither here nor there 😔 moving on

scenes and the setting. one of the things i was most like.. tentative about in regards to a switch from a musical to a movie was how they were like... going to do certain scenes? naturally, a lot has to be different when we’re going from a minimal stage set to an entire movie with like.. settings. there are going to be new scenes because a movie lends to have like, physical places that aren’t just [evan’s bedroom] and [murphy kitchen] and [implied school]. so new scenes, new conversations, slightly different pacing.. this is all to be expected right like are y’all geneuinely surprised here or ........

there’s a lot we aren’t seeing yet because this is a TRAILER. again i already mentioned this re: connor but like... again, y’all are making some Claims that just... fucking outlandish. there are so many moments in the trailer that are very obvious Hard Cuts. you don’t have all the information yet. you are angry at a tiny fragment of something that is confusing you because you don’t have all the context. is there a chance that some of this shit is just genuinely Bad? yeah but you really cannot 100000% say it with your chest and gauge it without seeing the movie and understanding what that scene is in context. lowkey uhhh saw some jokes about the zoe scene in the car and :’))) ? jesus? christ????

concluding thoughts because my brain hurts but like. you don’t have to like the movie. you don’t have to WATCH the movie. like all media if you choose to consume the movie you should do so with some CRITICAL THOUGHT. but, just like the novel (and i do not want to have any discussions about that i don’t care if you think it’s good Or bad that’s not what this is about) you guys are going in this WANTING to believe it’s bad and completely polarizing your thoughts on what this is going to be. yeah, maybe there shouldn’t be a movie. i genuinely think we could’ve gone without. but it’s just a piece of media, it’s not a progression like all your (musical is good, novel is bad, MOVIE IS WORSE OH NO) posts are suggesting. they are all just. different pieces of media stemming from a source. at the end of the day it’s just a fucking movie. if you already hate it so much, guess what? you don’t have to watch it! you don’t have to put so much needless fucking hate into a 3 MINUTE TRAILER. you can stop being performative and dissing it for its poor treatment of POC while then going on to make fun of ben platt’s hair and just targeting a different group like! please !!!

i’m not trying to be a fuckin’ advocate for this movie because there’s so much opportunity for it to suck, i do Not have high hopes for it, and i’m not even really sure i want to watch it (i bought the novel when it came out and have yet to read it, and i’m sure the movie will like.. elicit very similar vibes from me lsdngjkdsg like im just not uhhh feeling it) but y’know what? watching the trailer did not bring forth the fucking onslaught of hatred in me that apparently has fuckin posessed all of y’all and like djnsgjksdg plagued my dashboard for this whole evening. don’t come into my inbox trying to like.. argue with me about this (preemptively im turning off anon because i like i Can’t lmao) this is just like... a rant i needed to get out of me real quick. 

SO. tldr for now: have critical thought about shit you consume, there’s no ethical consumption under [the film industry], you can’t judge a movie entirely on its trailer, and y’all need to calm the fuck down 

[cosmicclownboy]

I think people don't want Maria to get the Bonnie Bennett treatment, which is fair enough. But she still needs a well-defined personality and a solid place in the alien mythology, and that hasn't happened yet. Her only point so far has been being Michael's practice girlfriend and being supposedly someone who boosted his confidence (a very generous interpretation of s2 imo), and that's not a good thing. She hasn't been necessary in anyone else's character arc or anyone's first priority. I can understand that seeing her be romanced by someone is probably more important to some people than have her be relevant to the alien plot, but it should be both.

Bonnie was the reason I kept watching TVD as long as I did honestly couldn’t give a fuck about any other character I just loved Bonnie and wanted a good ending for her but with Plec in charge it was hopeless. Her treatment of every minority that wasn’t a white dude she thought was hot was abysmal. I had to rage quit the show when they wrote Elena out by being a white saviour to Bonnie who then had the trauma of living with it.And apparently Julie was going to kill her in the finale...honestly fuck Julie Plec.

I’d say Maria already had that treatment by Carina when she wasn’t allowed to have her own plot or be her own character especially when she wasn’t ever going to be Michael’s endgame.Her character was wasted on something so trivial and pointless for two seasons as that was her only allowed narrative.Maria should of been her own character had her own plot and her own love interest.And Carina Julie’s lil apprentice   did not give her that instead she ignored her and when called out for being shitty wrote her in a creepy white feminist tone which made her into an absolute asshole.All the POC were written rather shady and manipulative.And like Julie Carina treated the actor she found attractive well and any poc like shit.

[purplesaline]

The Crossover

There were things that I liked about it and there were parts I saw them trying hard to do something good (And just not quite getting there) and there were parts I was very upset with.

I'm too tired and too heart sore to go into it all but a few points:

Bad

Killing a black man (Guardian-X) at the beginning of the first episode and just never bringing him up again. I mean the guy didn't even get airtime as his Earth-38 self.

Ha ing the Nazi's kill a Jewish character. Way to add insult to injury. Whoever made the cal that exploited the trauma of an entire people in a misguided attempt to make the episode more impactful needs sensitivity training. Believe me, none of us needed that kind of a 'call back'. And while I'm here, fuck you for threatening another Jewish character shortly before. We did not need that visual either.

Evil alternates. The idea that that level of evil exists in all of but for the circumstances of our lives. I don't buy it and I can't believe it. We all contain good and bad, yes, but not evil. Not to mention it's pretty offensive to assume that the only reason Supergirl has kindness and compassion is because she was raised in America, especially considering that she spent the first 12 years of her life in Krypton learning to care from her family.

I am so tired of reverse flash please can we finally just be done with him?!?

Trying to do good but failing

Alex working through the Maggie stuff. I'm glad they're not just writing it off but man it just feels forced and stilted. Don't get me wrong, Chyler kills every scene she's in and every line she's given. It just feels like we're being tossed a bone so they can move on with a clean conscience.

Nazis are bad. Look by this point anyone who doesn't believe that the jack booted thugs in SS uniforms are bad guys is a lost cause. We know this. It's the guys who dress like frat boys or red necks that seem to be causing the current levels of confusion. Your plot isn't socially relevant and has done far more harm than good. I like that you tried but between this and your abysmal treatment of LGBTQ and POC characters, maybe it's time you guys start hiring consultants from those communities to tell you when you're going the wrong direction.

The Good

Iris and felicity kicking ass. I love watching the 'Support' get the chance to be bad ass and kick ass, especially when they're women.

More gay characters! Ray and Leo are freaking adorable.

Four times the Alex. Need I say more?

[agentdaisyquake]

what happened at sdcc re: supercorp is terrible, but why are people acting like this is the first gross thing that's happened with the show when the treatment of POC (especially WOC) was always abysmal at best? because the treatment of POC on that show was criticized and most of the fandom didn't give a fuck, which is definitely worth noting. the show being a problematic mess was okay when it was *just* racism. interesting that that wasn't enough for people to cancel it.

I hear you anon, to start, I was quite upset when James Olsen was sidelined for a white slave owner and got very little screen time and M'gann received even less and it is quite disgusting. Also I don't really keep up with the comics and I didn't realize the casting of Maggie Sawyer was a problem and should have been given to a Latina woman and then claimed she was non white in the show just bc she had a tan. I assumed she was simply white passing. Since figuring this out I haven't posted anything sanvers related. I've been really hoping in season 3 they would give James more screen time and now that Maggie is in less episodes they would gradually introduce a new poc character for Alex as they should have done in the first place. I thought monhell was done and they would bring back the good parts of supergirl. But then sdcc happened and that's when I realized that a) it's not just the show that's a problem, it's also the cast, and b) season 3 shows no sign of improvement While I will say all ships can have toxic people in it and it's not fair to attack every supercorp shipper out there, i will say I really should have been more vocal about the issues and i shouldn't have sat on the problems and I should have really done my homework so I'm sorry anon