#Tuvok is killing him with his mind v_v

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Tuvok’s Father, Sunak, telling his favorite story

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Can you imagine if Tuvok got divorced? It’d be so funny, I just know that guy would completely give up on everything. He’d need like, several decades to recover. I think he might go become a Kolinahru for real this time.

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hi it's me coming back with my bi-monthly little guy bullshit. rewatched meld with the besties for the yaoi of it all and was sitting there like there's something really funny (negative to neutral connotation) about (some) of the other maquis members being interviewed about suder in the ep & b'elanna being like "yeah he was just some guy ig we all did what we had to do lol" and chakotay being like "he was a fucking freak animal. unsettling little thing" . MEAN TO HIM?

I don't perceive Chakotay as being unfairly cruel in his talking about Suder? Chakotay isn't a violent person and though being in the Maquis required violence he didn't relish in it so he viewed Suder's (admitted) bloodlust to be disturbing. To Chakotay, fighting and killing was necessary but not something he wanted to do - very different from Suder who seems to not really care about the Maquis' mission (He only references the Maquis to call Tuvok a traitor and say he doesn't like Starfleet, giving me the impression that he joined just to be in an environment where violence could be used without it standing out rather than actually caring about the Maquis' mission). If anything Chakotay is demonstrating an interesting perceptiveness and willingness to extend olive branches to those he doesn't necessarily like/agree with in this moment. B'Elanna seems to have noticed (or been told of) Suder's penchant for violence, saying "He did what he had to do a little too well." but Chakotay has obviously had multiple personal moments with Suder where he encountered Suder's bloodlust firsthand. He states that these encounters (multiple) scared him and made him think of Suder as a potentially dangerous individual. Despite this, he still neglects to put this on Suder's record because he doesn't want to cause unnecessary hardship for Suder or any member of his crew which he already knows will likely be looked down on and distrusted by the Starfleet members of Voyager as "a bunch of criminals". It could be argued that his encounters with Suder constitute more than a "bad feeling" as it seems he saw evidence of the man being excessively violent and felt threatened himself but Chakotay still hesitates to label Suder as a bad or dangerous person in his crew evaluations. That's interesting! I don't feel that's something any other character on VOY would have done! It also feeds into something I wish was highlighted more about Chakotay which is his willingness to give people who he doesn't like or agree with second chances. He seems like he'd be the most able on the command team to sympathize with people who others dismiss as lost causes or 'bad' and I wonder if part of that comes from his father who never gave up on him even when Chakotay continually pushed him away. It reminds me of how he was willing to lay down his life for that Kazon kid even though he was rude and tried to kill him and Chakotay obviously didn't agree with his values - and that doesn't mean Chakotay is a pushover or naive, just willing to give people chances. Even his friendship with Janeway is something that's only possible because he's willing to listen to others and try to see things from their point of view. Janeway is able to do this to a Starfleet extent but you can bet that if she, say, ended up on a Maquis ship - she wouldn't be integrating herself into that crew's way of thinking. She'd be trying to get them onto her side because she's a person who thinks (sometimes implicitly) that she is Correct. She's much more 'aggressive' or black-and-white in her morality than Chakotay. Which again doesn't mean that Chakotay doesn't stand for anything or is wholly passive (he does and isn't, as we see in episodes like Maneuvers) but that he's just more open-minded and not as certain that he has all the answers. Anyway! I hope this was a good response. I'm sorry if you were making a joke and I responded too earnestly to it - that happens sometimes v_v

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No one else I know has watched voyager so sorry to come to you but I just happened to get to meld and whyyy aren't people more into lon suder and whatever the fuck he has going on with tuvok??

Brad dourif is a fave actor so I'm already biased but I'm screaming. Like how fixated tuvok was on execution since suder himself suggested it and how he went straight to him when he got out aaaa. How clearly suder was into the idea of tuvok dominating him??? And then when he held tuvok in the end and called for help???? ScreamING. Cannot believe I saw this much not gay sex gay sex in star trek to be honest. Anyway. I hope you are having a nice day and you are a great artist.

Tuvok/Suder Aesthetics, Themes: Charged silences. Long letters to prisoners. Large bodies of water that threaten something though they are seemingly still in the moment. Dark rooms you can sense someone is in. Pristine rooms where you can sense something horrible has happened. The opposite of love is indifference. Courthouse drama. A keen and intense interest. Self-harm though sex. Crushing loneliness. The feeling of being fundamentally misunderstood. The feeling of being so intimately understood it's frightening, euphoric. Desperately keeping something hidden. Hands that only held things with the intent to kill them cradling you close vs Hands that've only ever been sure and steady now shaking, grasping for your throat. Church confessional. Stabbing someone as reference to another penetration. Desire so strong it threatens to overwhelm but you must fight against it. Melting steel so you can bend it. You make me a better person but I know I'm making you worse. Observation vs Experience. Conjugal visit. Dual death. Nothing can simulate the sublime.

(shows up a million months late with nothing in my hands but an aesthetically pleasing vibe) Heeeey..............SORRY;; Tuvok/Suder is such an amazing ship with such a cool dynamic and the writers didn't HAVE to show Suder gently lifting Tuvok from where he'd collapsed on the floor to cradle him closer, a bit unsure, looking around as if he's never held someone tenderly in his life, but they DID show that and they did it for folks like you and I v_v I also really love how fixated Tuvok became about the execution. Even though he's being driven a bit mad by the violence Suder's mind tapped into he's still justifying it to himself as the moral thing to do, not just going off-the-wall and killing for the pure pleasure of it.

He brings up the family of the man Suder killed, says that an execution would be justice, insinuates that he finds it unfair that a person who killed someone else's punishment would be to live a relatively easy life and that the ship would spend its resources to facilitate it and tells Suder that he takes no comfort in the fact that he 'has' to kill him. Suder of course questions this as he correctly sees all of those things as excuses which allow Tuvok to kill someone while trying to disguise the choice as a moral one in line with his values rather than one that outright breaks them. I really liked the back-and-forths between them. It seems like Suder really does make Tuvok question his worldview just by existing and Suder himself is obviously a deep thinker though he's apathetic about the world due to feeling fundamentally disconnected from it unless he interacts with it in a violent manner. The fact that he's tried to curb or be rid of his violent impulses in the past (and is willing to try new ways to do it in the present) is also interesting to me! I also find it interesting how he seems genuinely thrilled that Tuvok is willing to kill him, he seems almost euphoric in the moments before his potential death - gazing up at the light with wide eyes and a smile. I find it interesting how he's the one who says "then we'll both die" though Tuvok didn't imply that and he doesn't move to attack Tuvok back - he's just entirely certain that upon killing him Tuvok will kill himself out of guilt. Oh, and the fact that Tuvok's fascination with Suder leads him to performing a mind meld despite the fact that there's literally no need for it beyond his own personal desire for an answer...what a detective, what a homosexual. Why are you so stuck on establishing a motive you understand? So you can become one with the mind of another man - a bond which mimics briefly the one of marriage which you've lost? Last but not least some funnier elements are the fact that Tuvok literally does the -kills you with my mind- thing, a power which he apparently has and also whenever you watch that scene where (holo)Neelix is being annoying and Tuvok chokes him to death for it please just remember that Tuvok wrote every word of that. Tuvok sat down, sweating, consumed by a desire for violence and he wrote 'itty-bitty little smile'. Also interesting that he wrote a narrative that again he could excuse himself in - a sort of 'he drove me to it' narrative instead of say, one where he could just kill anyone for no reason GTA style. I like that part of him that still needs a reason(excuse) for his violence! It's a good character trait and contrasts Suder who kills people because 'I didn't like the way they looked at me.' Everyone in the world who likes HEAVILY implied gay shit with a hannibal-style vibe please go watch 'Meld'.