#adrinette salt

[seeasweetsmile]

Do you know what's a shame in Miraculous?

Marinette and Adrien have love about fashion and clothes in common, it could have been a great asset for them to spend time together! I mean, sure Adrien wears her scarf and her melon hat + the shooting with Adrien but we could have more, you know?

And what did the writers do with this commonality between them? The shitty episode where Marinette pushes Juleka aside just to do the shooting with Adrien 😑

Have you noticed that this is a habit of hers by the way? To put the brother and the sister aside for her own desires (cf the episode with Juleka's and Luka's anniversary where she ask to Juleka to tell her brother to not be present at his own anniversary).

The writers want to put Marinette everywhere so much that the secondary characters are pushed aside in a mise-en-scène where we pity the characters AND Marinette because we say to ourselves, with chuckle and lightness "oh no, Marinette what are you doing?". When, in fact, Marinette is just selfish (negatively)...

Do you think it's a imposed rule? that Marinette need to be invovled in every plot and subplot to be in the center of the story? 🤔In the bible, is there anything like this mentioned? I know they said that Ladybug must be the one to save the day but maybe it's the same for Marinette?

Because when we see some episodes, Marinette just make the plots more complicated or worse when the things could be simple! I know, I know, it's for the story but I swear the writers doesn't need to push the idea at this level of worse just for "humor" or for shock us...

[starguardianniom]

Adrien's revelation about his feelings for Marinette and before that, their "friendship"

I got big mood about it, for the moment he realise when he noticed his feelings changed for her.

That moment? The "statue kiss" in The Puppeteer 2, aka one of the most embarassing and cringe moment of the show, period.

Especially since it was one of those moments that Adrien witnessed Marinette in one of her creepiest and weirdest moment ever toward him that he's aware of and saw and somehow didn't have a problem with in the end because of her excuse and her being more upset about his joke than her behavior being beyond unacceptable toward what she thought was a statue of him, as he consider her a good friend and good friends don't creepily sniff your statue, don't pull out some of its hair to keep and don't kiss them on the lips.

But that kiss apparently made him change his feelings toward her subtely until he could pinpoint it in season 5.

Like, what? The Fuck?

Are you freaking kidding me?

Adrien, my sweet cinnamon bun, please have more self-respect for yourself.

You do not catch feelings for a girl who acts so gross toward what she thinks is a statue of yourself, please.

Heck, he was weirded out as hell when she was sniffing him, pulling his hair (his eye twitched), and of course when she kissed him he immediatly pulled away, to his defense he had no idea she would do that, because why the hell would she try to kiss a statue of him when she can barely stay in the same space alone with him in the first place? As the beginning of the episode showed, she freaked out when they were left alone and yelled (begged) to not be left alone with him, to his sadness before she corrected herself.

But him saying the moment he started to see her as more of a friend was that moment when she kissed him as a statue takes the cake.

Not to mention that already from the start their "friendship" is not really the greatest, because well, 95% of the time they get moments because Marinette or one of their friends made sure they would spend time together in some ways, or just make sure Marinette would be around or get opportunities to confess her love for him more than anything else, like actually hanging out for real as friends and not it just being a plot for a confession on Marinette's part.

Especially since Marinette has his entire schedule for the next 3 years, broke into his locker, his house (multiple times, mind you), stole his stuff, manipulated people to get into trouble so she could get a chance at maybe getting a date with him, when she's not outright trying to get rid of the competition, stalks him to another country, make sure he doesn't hang with other girls that she hates, abuse her powers to get a chance, and so on.

Let's be real here, their friendship was more genuine on Adrien side than Marinette, who said herself once in Riposte that she didn't want him to like her like that but to like her as in a romantic view instead of platonic.

Half the time the show shove Marinette down Adrien's throat because she wants to be his girlfriend, except she has a whole network to try to make it work, her friends, her family, hell, she even use her powers to try to make a move. Took 5 seasons of unhealthy behavior and 2 erased end of the universe to make it happen. Yeah!

Because I remember people being salty about how Adrien regarded knowing Ladybug's identity in Chat Blanc being wrong because he knew who she was and she wasn't aware of it, until she almost got akumatized, but the whole thing started because Marinette decided to use her powers to break into Adrien's room knowing he wasn't home to give him a gift, something that Tikki had opposed to, and of course Marinette being Marinette, didn't listen, and well, it led to that.

Not to mention that she wasn't any better when Ephemeral came, as she decided that Viperion and Su-Han would learn Chat Noir's identity behind his back and they wouldn't tell him after she learned it and later forget about it, and the whole thing fell apart because once she realised he was her precious Adrien, she decided to see how it would go. And then still proceeded with her plan. So Adrien literally had 2 other people knowing who he was and wasn't made aware of and probably wouldn't have before a long time, not sure if he would still have dated Marinette if he had found out about it.

Sure, Adrien knew in Chat Blanc, but it wasn't planned at all on his part unlike her, he sure as hell didn't tell anyone else behind her back with the promise of her never finding out like it was her original plan in Ephemeral, when he transformed to save her, well, it was either throwing his secret away, or well, they were screwed above and beyond. He didn't know Nathalie was watching and ratted him to his father, whom he doesn't know he's Hawk Moth until later in the episode when he gets traumatized by him and akumatized. Especially since Adrien finding out Marinette was Ladybug was completely on Marinette's fault for not sticking to her golden rule of never taking risks with their identities that was also shoved down his throat and ours for 3 seasons straight, but she threw that through the window (literally) by going into his room and acting like a total obsessive maniac, sniffing his pillow while laying down his bed, why, just why?

And why does Adrien just rolls with her being weird around him all the time? At one point he could get fed up and just tell her off, because well, she only acts like this toward him, and if she can't act normally around him, that won't stand, he wants to be like other kids and fit in, Marinette's behavior toward him compared to how she acts around the rest of their friends should drive a wedge between them because he wants to be part of the group, and if the girl who's the most liked by their friends can't act normal around him, what are his chances with others? Because Marinette is really the only weird one around him. Kagami, Chloé and Lila are clingy sure, but they also can function without problem around him, Marinette, barely managed at times. That went for 4 seasons. I think Adrien telling Marinette off about her behavior, especially since months passed in the show, could have been a good way to make Marinette realise that she puts him so high on a pedestrial that not only she was making it difficult for herself to endear herself to him, but maybe backpedal on her behavior that wasn't fair to him much as she has so huge expectations and pressure feeling for him that Gabriel's expectations and pressure of him can almost look good next to her views of him. That would have been a good character development for her I believe.

Instead in season 5 they joke about how she used to be and he just let it slide and doesn't concern how she learned his habits without his knowing.

Because let's face it, Marinette didn't so much got to know everything about him that there was to know as she was more studying him, like a project you're working on and need to know every little details so it won't blow up in your face or fall apart. Don't tell me she learned stuff from him by asking him directly and hanging out with him normally back in season 1, she could barely talk to him at all, or stay too long before running away or trying to. She puts him so high on a pedestrial she can't see him past the clouds. That's not a healthy way of friendship or romance mindsetfor her to be in. Even more because her worship of him is entirely on her, he doesn't want anyone to treat him like a god, he just wants to be treated normally, and she can barely manage that.

Also, Marinette monopolize so much of his time that the rest of the class sans Nino (and possibly Chloé) barely knows him, they are so quick to throw him on Marinette, or the other way, that they don't really interact at all, again he wanted to have friends, he barely interacts with anyone not named Marinette, Nino, Chloé or Lila. I think Luka got more lines with him than most of the class did. And I'm not talking about them talking about Adrien, but them talking to Adrien as in in a conversation with him and them talking together. We saw in Felix that only Nino, Marinette and Lila thought Adrien wouldn't be that mean, meanwhile Alya, Rose and Juleka get akumatized over "Adrien" being mean toward them, since they barely know him, being too busy shipping him with Marinette instead of trying to be friends with him like he would probably want to. Leave Marinette alone with him, Nino, get with Alya and leave the lovebirds alone. I swear Nino gets shoved away in favor of Marinette and it pisses me off, given how little freedom Adrien has when he can hang out with him it would be nice if he actually could and not just have Alya glaring at him for wanting to spend some alone time with him and not her, or for her to immediatly ask if she and Marinette could tag along.

Let's not forget the huge mistakes Marinette made because of her being unable to cool her heart and head when it came to him, as seen in Heart Hunter and Strike Back. Fu losing his memories and her being the guardian, later Hawk Moth getting most of the miraculouses, leaving her with only her original partner once again.

All of the unhealthy behavior she exhibit in the show because she got traumatized confessing to Kim the year prior courtesy of Chloé. Note that it's the act of confessing itself that seems to have scarred Marinette completely, not Kim or Chloé, Kim probably because she knows he was manipulated into it and is probably more unaware of how much hurt she ended up feelings as they probably have known each other for years maybe (who knows), and well Chloé had been her bully for some years by that point so nothing new here, just another new way of being tormented by her. It was the act of pourring her heart and feelings out in the open to someone she loved only to then being brutally having it turned into a sick joke that left an horrible trauma on her, to the point that she swears that she'll know everything about the next guy she'll fall in love with and make sure they're not friends with Chloé. But that second part went away with Adrien who is friends with Chloé so. Yeah.

So again, why the heck should I approve of Adrienette? Why should I like it? Why should I like that Adrien finally got with Marinette after realising he started to grow romantically interested in her after one of her worst moment ever toward him? Why would they even be good friends? For all the things I said above, I'll say that's why I'll never approve, like it or ship it, or think they could be good friends, unless Marinette just stopped feeling romantic toward him.

For all the fluff that happens when it is all romantic and soft and stuff, I remember all the terrible moments, thoughts and actions that led to them, preventing me from liking it.

Even their "friendship" moments, that were also most of the time Marinette being hurled toward him, either by herself or with the help of her friends.

Because I'm sure that Marinette would probably be able to do worse than what Chat Blanc would have done if something happened to Adrien and she couldn't save him.

She could and probably would be worse than Gabriel ever was.

The only one time I actually liked Adrienette was in Oblivio, when they had no idea who they were, and as such didn't have their trauma and insecurities with them which made it the healthiest they've ever been.

Marinette doesn't need a boyfriend, she needs a therapist to overcome her freaking trauma before actually heading in a romance. She deserves this much. She needs the help, badly. Her friends can only do so much and they are amazing, but they are also kids who aren't equiped to deal with her trauma. They all have their own traumas and worries to work on too.

Seriously where are the therapists in this city for real?

Adrien and Luka deserved better.

Adrien also needs therapy because Gabriel sucks for life.

And the kids need to reign their shipping tendencies, nice of them to help, but sometimes, please don't get involved, because either it won't work or Marinette will take it apart by herself even without meaning to.

So those are my feelings on the Adrinette ship and the Adrinette friendship.

[lostuntothisworld]

“Adrien is a model and Marinette is going to take over the Gabriel brand and be a world famous designer! They’re made for each other!”

*Adrien canonically hates modeling and quits*

“Well that was an unexpected possibility! Obviously they’re building up for Adrien to take over the bakery while Marinette is a world famous designer!”

*Cat Noir physically recoils when Tom suggests he join the bakery with him*

“While Marinette is a world famous fashion designer, Adrien will be a trophy house husband and take care of the kids! It was foreshadowed with Mylène and Ivan in Confrontation!”

[critical-thinking-is-mandatory]

Sometimes I feel like Adrien's creepy fixation (at this point I refuse to call it love) isn't even with Marinette/Ladybug herself, but the version of her that lives in his head. Like, if he could push a button to make Marinette a doll that would only come to life when he gave it the cue and would always obey him, he'd do it. Even though that would completely strip her of her agency, personality, and anything a normal person might have liked about her in the first place. Am I making any sense?

ykw you are and this is like, canon.

like Puppeteer 2.0, Adrien is sitting there 'bout to kiss "Ladybug" and the only reason he stops (and doesn't lose the ring) is because he smells wax. :/ like the scene before this, the pair were bantering and chittering away, Adrien breaks a statue and then immediately goes to kiss "Ladybug". she goes to kiss him back and the only thing that alerts him is the smell of wax. like for real. nevermind that it's totally in-character for Maribug to snip, snap, snark, push, poke and prod Adrien away when he goes to kiss her. every thought just goes Whoop! out the window when Adrien gets what he wants.

same with the episode 'Ladybug'! Sentibug is all "ah i'm wounded, the enemy may be near blah blah blah" and Adrien is all concerned, but the very second Sentibug goes in for the smooch Adrien's brain goes on the pavement.

the real Maribug is rough and loud, she's sweet and snappy and jealous. she's a distinct person. but when Maribug was pit against sweet-little-miss-damsel-in-distress-Sentibug, Adrien picked the fake over the real thing. even though! even though he has seen Maribug act like that dozens of times, but he's never seen her act like Sentibug, and by all accounts should have known Maribug would never prioritise kissing over saving the day. Adrien still picked the fake.

'Ladybug' isn't a real person. Marinette-Ladybug is, but the version Adrien thinks is real? sure as hell is not. she's what Adrien wants Maribug to be and he's too caught up in his own fantasy to see that the girl he "loves" 🙄 and the girl he works with everyday, are two totally different people.

but it's not like the show will ever acknowledge that 😗

[blackfliesinbluesugar]

Miraculous Ladybug has the most dedicated salt fanbase of any piece of media i have ever seen and it's as massive as it is hilarious. There is an entire crossover ship with thousands of fics and artworks because the fandom just thinks none of the canon love interests are good enough. The tag on tumblr updates regularly with new entries several times an hour, with several extremely detailed tens of thousand word scenarios and imagines. The bashing tag on ao3 for Adrien, one of the main characters and main love interest, is more than 500 fics strong. I'm honestly in so much awe at how much hate and loathing a fandom can hold in their heart for a show they still actively consume and contradictorily love at the same time. It's amazing.

[gentil-minou]

I really should be sleeping but I really think one of the reasons Adrien is so fond of the statue scene and why it led to the realization of his feelings for Mari is because in that scene she's basically doing what he does as Chat Noir to Ladybug.

As in she's speaking his love language.

And I don't mean cringe, I mean honestly saying how she feels, showing open and deep devotion for the other person, a willingness to be vulnerable and dramatic in pursue of passion and love.

It must have been so jarring for Adrien to see Mari act that way, because it really is something Chat would do. And while I do think he thought it was just her joking around, that playfulness is what Adrien adores! And remember in psycomedian how important comedy is for Adrien! And Mari, well she's like him!

That "cringe" that all the haters complain about is exactly what Adrien loves about Mari, because it's exactly how he would express his feelings! And, as we've seen in canon, it is what opens his eyes to her and to his own feelings.

Don't forget Mari has ALWAYS struggled with her feelings and never been clear about them. That's WHY the statue scene happened in the first place, because Adrien thought she hated him. And all he wanted was to know if she maybe, just maybe liked him back. At least as a friend.

What he got instead was something way more, and I really do think it's because once she did say her feelings, in that ridiculous over the top way of hers to a statue, he realized they were more similar than they'd previously though.

LISTEN TO THE BOY.

[litcrazh]

she’s not even french…

[bewitchingomen]

I have to admit that when I first watched the statue scene from Puppeter 2, I slightly cringed. Now having the knowledge of what Marinette went through with Kim and Chloe pranking her when she had feelings for Kim, it breaks my heart even more than before I saw "Derision" when I see her tell Adrien that the prank he pulled wasn't funny. I'm in no way saying Adrien was in the wrong because he had no malevolence behind his actions. He wanted to cheer his friend up and her "declaration" to "Adrien the statue" did make him start to realize he was beginning to have romantic feelings for her.

Anyway, I guess what I am trying to say is that I still can't believe that this scene is still (for lack of a better term) disliked by many Miraculous fans.

[uptoolateart]

This, Alya. This is why it matters having an election with only two weeks left of the school year.

This was also the talk I was waiting for them to have since season three. I knew this revelation of his was coming. I wrote about it months ago. I think I even wrote it in a fic, once. This is him breaking free of naivety. He's having a massive coming of age moment here.

And this here was brilliant - because we do need to give people chances...but you have to know when to step away, too.

[purrincess-chat]

Just to clarify that we are all watching the same show (bc I've seen so many takes that make me question my sanity), let's do a love square run down. Correct me if I'm wrong, but:

LadyNoir: Chat put aside his feelings for Ladybug after spending the entirety of s4 being sidelined and chastised for having feelings for her. Ladybug made a mistake with Adrien that has made her too traumatized to pursue him, so she turned to Chat Noir who has now stated that he only loves her as a friend. (Which is probably a lie, he more than likely still loves her but is just trying to respect boundaries she set in s4)

MariChat: Marinette loves Chat bc of her interactions/friendship with him as Ladybug (Chat does not know this). Chat Noir loves Marinette bc of his interactions/friendship with her as Adrien (Marinette does not know this). They both pretty much decided that they couldn't be together in this way, even if it hurts, as a result of information they don't have. (Identities)

Adrinette: Again, Marinette harbors a lot of trauma surrounding Adrien (Adrien does not know this) so she's running away from feelings she clearly still has. Adrien, after giving Ladybug space and growing closer to Marinette, is in love with Marinette and actively pursuing her. This will likely still be a problem bc of the way Marinette is currently feeling, but he's gonna try. Results are pending.

Ladrien: No where to be seen in s5 atm, but we can glean from the other sides that Ladybug would likely be apprehensive around him, and Adrien would probably be respectful/polite. They both know she screwed up and is likely feeling some kind of way about that.

Did I get that right? Is there another version of canon floating around out there that other people are watching? Am I missing an episode? Please let me know for my sanity bc if I have to read another 'x side is canon, all the others are dead' post when none of the sides are actually canon right now, I just might lose it, yall.

[felinetteagain]

Every fairy tale has a noble prince and his princess. In our fairy tale about Ladybug there is also a prince and a princess.

Even the creator himself calls his creation a fairy tale.

But who is the noble prince who deserves the heart of the main character of the fairy tale, Marinette?

Adrien is an orphan boy, heir to the fortune of Gabriel Agreste, disinherited by Graham de Vanilly.

But I can’t even dare to call him a prince, because his behavior is more like the behavior of a princess.

Or Felix - the direct heir to a huge fortune, the successor of the noble family of Graham de Vanilly, he is brave, strong, a real knight.

[seeasweetsmile]

No wonder why Adrinette causes the end of the world (cf the “what if” episodes), every time the ship takes place: it's because THE WORLD REVOLVES AROUND THEM!

The writers continue to articulate all the other characters (Alya, the classmates, the adults) around Marinette and Adrien's relationship, as if the characters had no other purpose in life or things to do. They’re just puppets that are used to tell the MCs "yOu ArE mAdE fOr eAcH oThEr"

[annahi-red]

I always hated the Copycat episode, I watched it again and now I know why I hate it so much.

It is normal for the writers of Miraculous to leave Chat as useless and they made it clear from the first season (although there are chapters that he shines and others where, without him, they totally lost, speaking during s1).

Now, Copycat is simple. Theo is interested in Ladybug, Chat gets jealous and hints that both heroes have something. Theo, jealous, envious and somewhat possessive, ends up being akumatized because he believes that he is the only one worthy of Ladybug's love.

Copycat leaves Chat in a very bad light and he wants to face his copy alone. But here comes the problem. Chat is totally humiliated by Copy and it's something I hates. Why didn't they let Chat face the copy? It was an akuma that he provoked and maybe he deserved it, but got kicked so hard.

And I'm complaining because later we have the Antibug chapter.

In s1 both Chat and Ladybug have akumas against them with their same powers, but while Ladybug can take on Antibug ALONE, Chat is humiliated and needs Ladybug's help. Both Copycat and Antibug are akumas that they caused and I find it unfair that only one of them was able to defeat the copy without being humiliated.

Chat had more experience with that powers, while an akuma with the same powers beats him in five minutes…

[lostuntothisworld]

Ladybug had no problem lying to Cat Noir so why would she have a problem lying to Adrien? And now she has a “good” reason to lie to the one she loves: to protect his happiness.

Ladybug really is the epitome of Gaslight, Gatekeep, Girlboss

[xhanisai]

One thing I will always love about the Miraculous show is how they portrayed Adrien's interactions with Marinette and Ladybug's interactions with Chat Noir throughout all the seasons. That despite Adrien's and Ladybug's feelings for Marichat starting off platonically, they were still so tender and so sweet with them.

They didn't shy away from verbal and physical affection and the way they would marvel at marichat is so <33333

I just really love how while the show had Chat Noir fall for Ladybug and Marinette fall for Adrien immediately after they witnessed their strengths and kindness and determination, ladrien's journey for marichat was friends to lovers <33333333

They fell for each other fast and slow!!!!

They are slow-burn done right.

[broadwaycutie16]

Words cannot desribe how frustrating it is to listen to Adrien Salters who are also Lukanette Shippers use the deconstruction of the Nice Guy trope to prove that Adrinette is toxic (all on Adrien’s side, of course) while Lukanette is the superior ship, when the Nice Guy mindset is the foundation of Lukanette.

Adrien Salters who ship Lukanette: Adrien is such an entitled jerk! He’s a textbook example of the so-called Nice Guy who thinks that the girl owes him her love or at least a chance at a relationship just because he treats her well and is open with his adoration! That stuff doesn’t entitle him to her affections! He doesn’t deserve any of her love!

Also Adrien Salters who ship Lukanette: Why isn’t Luka Marinette’s main love interest instead of Adrien? He’s such a nice guy! He treats her so well and so openly adores her! Marinette owes him a real chance at a relationship instead of just chasing after a jerk! He actually deserves her love, unlike Adrien!