#anti-cangel

[keanherself]

I continue to crawl through the eps. I've just finished Lullaby (Angel 3x08) and a couple of things have jumped out at me. The first is that in contrast to majority of the first 5-6 episodes, Angel is being treated like the leading man of the show, and crucially, Angel Investigations, again. There is a direct correlation between how dopey/goofy he is portrayed as and what his position is in the AI Team. Wes leading the way? Angel is closer to Xander than the character we knew prior to S3. If he is leading, as he is during the Darla storyline, he is markedly different. He acts like he is in charge, like the work and situation they are in is serious and he is a capable person.

Angel has always had this dorky/vain/petty side to him that has been used for comedic effect. Petty!Angel is one of my personal favourites, but it has never been ALL he is, and it has been strange to watch him be dumbmoted for so much of this season.

The other thing I noticed was that during the Darla storyline, apart from the ep where Darla turns up, Cordy was reduced to a basic support character. She isn't emotionally involved in this situation in any meaningful way. Consider the scene where Connor is born, Fred stays with Angel but Cordy runs off to get the car. Given where the show intends to take Cordy & Angel, that story choice has left me scratching my head.

Honestly, watching these eps achieves nothing if not a tally of all the times the story would have been improved with a crossover.

I think I'm up to 4 now? Maybe 3.

[destiel-wings]

I hope you don't mind me asking, but what are your thoughts on angel x buffy? :)

Hii i don't mind, thank you for asking 😊

So, I used to love bangel sooooo much when i first watched the show. I was 100% into it, (with a crush for Boreanaz too) and i cried so much for them in s2 and when Angel left the show in s3. And I truly, sincerely, unironically hated Spike too (I thought he was a great character but i just loved hating him, you know? Lol). When we saw Spike's dream of kissing Buffy I swear i felt nauseous.

... and then they aired Fool for love.

By the end of that episode I was left in utter existential crisis in front of my tv because i felt my whole world shift. There was a part of me that still liked Angel and Buffy, but there was also this new part that wanted her to be with Spike now.

So anyway, that's when i decided to switch teams and i became team spuffy, and for as much as i had been obsessed with bangel before, it was nothing compared to how deep i was caught into the Buffy and Spike relationship. I never looked back. They were just much more complex and real and compelling. And it made me reevaluate Angel and her relationship with him too. Angel never really knew Buffy, always treated her like a child, and let's be honest--and that's something that hit me only years later when I got older--she was a child when they were together. He was spying on her and falling in love with her when she was just fifteen years old and he was a 240-year-old vampire who had been sired at like 26 years old, and they got together when she was 16/17 and he broke up with her when she turned 18... I don't think that's something the writers did intentionally of course, because (as everything else in buffy) it's just meant to be taken as a metaphor for the ideals and struggles and the intensity of drama of a girl's first love, but it still comes off as icky.

And before anyone comes at me, I know spuffy isn't healthy either, but that's kinda the point and the appeal. First of all, it's fiction and a metaphor, and secondly, it's about two broken people that are supposed to be mortal enemies but are actually two sides of the same coin, so different and yet so much the same, who can understand each other as a whole, light and darkness, in a way that no one else ever could, who yes, hurt each other along the way, but whose love saved them from the deepest darkness, ultimately bringing them into the light.

This is what spuffy is to me, and this is why i think it's not only the superior ship, but one of the best ships of all time (thee best, until i saw destiel, now they're sharing the podium).

So anyway, to get back to your question, the moment i became obsessed with Buffy and Spike (and i have been ever since 2005, lmao, they've been my first real obsession, alongside btvs, until spn and destiel) Angel sort of became the enemy 😅. And I hated him so so so so so much when he appeared in 7x21 and kissed Buffy (pure fanservice, but okay) and brought the medallion that ultimately killed Spike. So i spent years very maturely holding my vendetta against Angel (like, rooting for every demon that fought against him when I watched Angel, lmaoo). In most recent years, I've (sort of) made my peace with the character, after rewatching Angel. I mean he's still the enemy (of course, duh!! Who am i if not eternally petty??) but i appreciate him in his own show.

So i don't ship Angel and Buffy anymore, but I can understand why someone would (as i myself used to), and more importantly, i respect other people's right to ship them.

If we're joking, I'm going to insult Angel and keep saying he's the enemy. But on a mature serious note, I think Buffy and Angel were a great first love (for Buffy), but they were supposed to be just that, the impossible teenage girl's dream of a first love, eternal but doomed to end and break your heart.

I think Angel was much more well paired with Cordelia (which is something I'd never think I'd say), and i found myself shipping them so much when I rewatched the show. It felt so much more mature and profound than what we saw with Buffy and Angel (and that's probably due to the fact that we got slow burn for them - as we did for Buffy and Spike- and could actually see the feelings growing, while Buffy crushed on Angel in the pilot and she was madly in love (as teenagers do) in 0.5 seconds for no apparent reason than the fact that he was hot and mysterious.

So when I say the kiss in btvs 7x21 makes zero sense, I'm not just talking about spuffy, but also about cangel. I feel like both characters parted ways and lived on in their own shows to grow and become their own persons, developing other relationships that were more adult and meaningful, and that kiss was just disrespectful for both (but anyways, it doesn't change anything).

I have so many thoughts about all this honestly, and I hope I haven't gone too much off the tangent with my reply, but i couldn't just give you a simple reply because that would've had to be something like "angel is the enemy and i don't like bangel" but as you can see my thoughts are a little more complex than that 😅

[girl4music]

Okay, so hear me out right…. I never really payed that much attention to Cordelia’s arc in ‘BtVS’ but one episode and one scene did really stand out with her and Buffy when they were relating to each other on feeling lonely and how isolation keeps them cut off from true love and true connection in ‘Out Of Mind, Out Of Sight’. We all know that Buffy is the loneliest and most isolated female character in the entire Buffyverse simply because she can’t find the balance between being the Slayer and being a woman. But then there’s Cordy who clings to any semblance of meaning or purpose through being the popular girl but yet never really having a true love or true connection because her friends treat her as the Queen Bee only and everybody else pretty much hates her for that.

Later on she becomes part of the Scooby Gang by becoming Xander’s girlfriend but then breaks up with Xander and therefore her ties to the Scooby Gang end pretty much immediately because - like Oz - she was just a Plus One and not actually a core member of the Scooby Gang. Then she moves to LA and bumps into Angel - literally - and becomes part of what he and Doyle do straight away without a requirement of being anyone’s Plus One. And she becomes so much a part of it that she practically ends up running the whole thing single-handedly. Sure, she can’t do the fighting parts but she is the instigator and manager and CEO of the whole business venture that is Angel Investigations because nobody else wants to take on that responsibility of actually making them money. Then she gets Doyle’s visions when he passes away and passes them on to her because he loved and respected her enough to know that she was CRUCIAL to giving Angel the best chance for redemption and to support him in receiving it. And she does that seamlessly, easily, effortlessly and naturally by caring enough about him and sincerely believing in his capability to be the hero - the Champion. In other words: the man over the monster. The actual PERSON.

But it’s not all about Angel, you see, because in the meanwhile she relieves herself of loneliness and isolation because she begins to care less about herself and her needs and more about other people. Namely Angel because he is really the only character in the entire Buffyverse who is lonely and isolated because he is forced to be because he isn’t allowed to be happy and any step in the direction of true happiness would lead to taking 100 steps back everywhere else.

So I think the striking difference between Cordelia and Buffy (and therefore between Cangel and Bangel) is that Cordelia turns the fucking lights on around Angel rather than allows the both of them to just live in the darkness where it’s most “comfortable” or “familiar” because it’s all they know how to live in. You know, she actually tries to make things better for them and their shared predicament of mutual misery by taking the initiative to walk them out of the shadows in a way where it will not destroy either of them. It’s almost a 100% switch. Like Bangel was torment and torture and trauma 24/7. Constant pain is not fun to watch. They were not good for each other like… at all. It wasn’t their fault. I understand that. But at the same time… something needed to be done about it and of course it had to be the most painful thing possible for the both of them because that’s all their relationship ever consisted of. Constant pain. And so the striking difference really is that Cordy ended up being the person that Angel needed because it’s more like she represented the sun for him. A sun that he didn’t have to be afraid of and cower away from because it burns him. A sun that didn’t hurt him or remind him that he was damned to only live in the dark. A beacon that guided him and told him that there was purpose in what they were doing and why it mattered to continue doing it. Angel might have thought Buffy was that for him but she wasn’t because she only ever lived in the dark too and that was not healthy for either of them.

Maybe for the Bangel shippers there is some kind of appeal in that because they understand and relate to each other’s constant pain. But it’s like I’ve explained about puzzle pieces: you cannot fit together and connect if you both have the same jagged little pieces in the same places. You can only be and do that if you’re the perfect opposites. And yeah, maybe Cordy was dealing with loneliness and isolation too in a much the same way to Angel at the time… but the striking difference is that she didn’t let that restrict or prevent her from being a part of something that needed her and from being with people that she loved and that loved her. She understood and related to constant pain too but didn’t let it eat and swallow them whole.

The whole thing with Buffy is that she intentionally and automatically cuts herself off from people that she loves and that love her because she believes that they’re just targets for her enemies and she can’t be responsible for getting them hurt or killed. And that may be true - but why add to injury by basically forcing them out of her life? I mean she’s always alone because she chooses to be alone. No other reason really. And Angel was the same fucking way when around her because he believed that he was putting HER in danger and being a liability to her because he was a vampire and she wasn’t. They were both like this to the point where - at the end of the day - they were just self-fulfilling their own made-up prophecies. So what was the point? Really, what’s the point in Bangel?

It was Cordy (Cangel) all along and not Buffy (Bangel) and the proof is in how Cordy changed for the better alongside Angel just as much as in how Angel changed for the better alongside Cordy. Instead of just got worse - in themselves and in each other - they got much better. And that’s what a relationship of true love and true connection is supposed to do and be. Angel and Buffy couldn’t call each other their “true loves” or “soulmates” because they were not each others puzzle pieces - perfect opposites. They were mirrors reflecting pain and trauma at each other as if they already didn’t have enough of it in themselves. As if they weren’t already in constant pain and trauma.

You may be able to learn and grow from being in a relationship like that. But you should never stay in one. And as awful as it is to say, let alone believe… I truly think that the best thing Angel ever did for Buffy was leave her and move to LA and fall in love with Cordelia because he was just better as a person AND as a character when he didn’t exacerbate his own sad existence by revolving around Buffy’s sad existence and instead being around someone who wouldn’t let him wallow in his guilt and contempt. That instead of live with him in darkness turned on the fucking lights.

[liam-summers]

I violently reject the entire narrative that Cordelia knew and understood Angel better than anyone else and that Angel knew and understood Cordelia better than anyone else. This is literally not true in any season of either show.

[sulietsexual]

Why don’t you like cangel? It’s so much better than bangel

Hard disagree, Nonnie!

Bangel is a very organic ship which is built up naturally (albeit a little rushed in Season 1, however, this was due to not knowing if the show would be renewed) between two characters with amazing romantic and physical chemistry. It's deep and rich and it evolves over time. There is tragedy and darkness to it, but also incredible light and passion and they both inspire one another and understand each other so well.

Meanwhile Cangel is a ship that literally comes out of nowhere, between two characters who, yes, clearly care about one another but had zero romantic feelings for one another until the narrative suddenly decided that they did. There was no build up, everything was tell instead of show (kyrumption???) and, I'm sorry, but David and Charisma have next to no romantic or physical chemistry and watching them make out is so uncomfortable.

Not to mention Cangel is basically written as Bangel 2.0. Two warriors who fight side by side? Bangel did it first. Synchronised training sessions? Bangel in Revelations. Possessed by ghost lovers? Bangel in IOHEFY. One of them goes evil and the other has to kill them? Bangel Season 2. Hell, Cordelia even went blonde at the end of Season 3 which is when the ship is pushed the most!

I absolutely adore Cordelia and Angel as friends. They had great chemistry as friends, they played off one another well and the way they just didn't understand one another but kept trying to was so sweet and endearing! But as a romantic ship? It just doesn't work and pales in comparison to Bangel.

[buffygirlfail]

joss whedon is going to hell for numerous reasons already but forcing the b*ng*l agenda in the later half of s7 after ruining cordelia's character in ats is one of them !!

[nevergonnabemuchmorethanweather]

It's truly laughable how Spuffy and Cangel shippers try to downplay how much Bangel meant to each other. I respect their opinions to ship other people or disagree with the ship but let's not play ourselves and act like what Bangel had wasn't real. Also, comparing Buffy to Cordelia is needless.

The problem is it's kind of difficult to make any kind of case for Spuffy or Cangel without downplaying Bangel, because Buffy and Angel are canonically soulmates who can sense each other, share dreams, didn't get over each other in Heaven or Hell, are only not together because of absurd circumstance stacked against them, and still make out every chance they get.

[buffysummers]

what’s so crazy to me about Cangel shippers is that they spout this nonsense that Angel and Cordelia had this deep friendship before they both moved to LA... despite the fact that they maybe had like two solo scenes together that lasted a total of two minutes and what makes it even funnier is that Cordelia was Team Kill Angel in “Revelations” 😭😭😭 what kind of friendship involves advocating for the other person to get murdered.... anyways

[istandwithrussiaandpalestine30]

Steroline and Cangel should have remained friends (even though I seen the Cangel friendship as forced since they hardly interacted on BtVS and Cordelia still had trust issues due to the Angelus S2 period) since they function better as friends than lovers. Caroline would be #2 to Stefan while Cordelia would be #3 to Angel since Buffy is #1 because duh and Darla #2 because of Connor. Caroline and Cordelia deserve better. Plus Angel left Buffy for reasons, which kills the whole Cordy&Angel were meant to be narrative in AtS Season 3. It makes it insensitive since Buffy was brought back from the dead against her will.

[we-pay-for-everything]

I get the feeling from the cangel centric discourse that I’ve seen online, that a lot of cangel shippers mostly ship it because they’re Cordelia fans first and they only really see value in Angel as a character when he’s romantically interested in Cordelia or they think that all of Angel’s character development occurred because of Cordelia, which is something that I deeply disagree with. What do you think?

I honesty don't know about Cangel shippers. From my observations, most Cangel shippers seem to be people who never cared for Angel and/or Bangel on BtVS and/or prefer AtS/never watched BtVS. I don't know if they're Cordelia fans first. I'm not involved in the fandom apart from reblogging stuff and replying to asks...

As for Angel's development occurring because of Cordelia, I disagree with that as well. You can read more about it here. Imo Cordelia was as responsible for Angel's development on AtS as Doyle and Wesley. I'd argue Doyle had a bigger impact on Angel in season 1, and after, Cordelia and Wesley had an equal yet distinct influence on Angel. But Buffy and Connor were more influential to Angel overall, followed by Wesley, though Wesley's influence was more indirect than Cordelia's, hence why his and Angel's relationship is, imo, tragically overlooked. I've always thought Wesley and Angel's relationship was the heart of AtS and that they were a kind of "soulmates" who were, sadly, never able to truly become the friends they wanted to be. But I digress...

Thanks for the ask!

[blueberrysconematurity]

The only thing that makes me happy about this new Spike audible Buffyverse story is that maybe Spike and Cordelia end up together and we can all bleach our brains of Spuffy and Cangel.

[liam-summers]

Guys I am so sorry but I’m gonna have to come to sp*ffy’s defense one time, because how does anyone have the audacity to say that c*ngel has more chemistry than Buffy and Angel, the same amount as sp*ffy? Please be for fucking real. I am begging you. To even put Sp*ffy and C*ngel in the same category chemistry wise is SO insulting to Sp*ffy.

[whitewolfofwinterfell]

Hi! Possibly fun ask for you if you feel like answering: which Buffyverse ships have you most changed your mind about over the years? For instance, I always liked Cangel, but for a variety of reasons they've now skyrocketed to OTP status for me. On the other side, I used to like Fresley more than I do now. Also, as one of like five people who loves Cangel too, I was wondering when in the series you started shipping them? A lot of fans say S2 or even S3, but I actually shipped them from about halfway through S1 :)

Hey! Oooh, a very fun ask for me. Thank you for asking! 😊

In general, I think I've changed my mind slightly on most of the Buffyverse ships over the years which just naturally tends to happen after many rewatches and also changes in perspective/maturity. 

I agree about Cangel and Fresley. Cangel are one of my most unexpected ships, I went into AtS expecting to strongly dislike them as a romantic pairing so was very surprised that I ended up loving them so much. As for Fresley, I hated them as a romantic pairing from the second Fred was introduced on the show and that has never changed for me 😂

Anyways, the ships I’ve changed my perspective on most are Bangel and Dangel, more details below the cut (warning for slightly anti-Bangel sentiments). 

Bangel - A lot of my mutuals/followers will never forgive me for this but I have to address the elephant in the room and admit that whilst I still ship Bangel my feelings towards them have changed a lot over the years and I no longer consider them an OTP. This has happened for a lot of different reasons but basically boils down to the fact that my personal tastes in ships have changed and watching AtS shifted my perspective.  I don’t enjoy the all-consuming, intense and angsty vibe of Bangel’s relationship as much as I once did. I also have issues with the early development of their relationship, which I always did, but it’s become more problematic to me with time. What I’m referring to here is that Angel falls for Buffy when she’s a minor then proceeds to stalk her and the fact that they fall for each other when they meet after about 4-5 very brief interactions. They can get away with it because their chemistry and story is so damn good but it doesn’t change the fact that there is a lack of development in the early days for the pair. 

Watching AtS is probably the biggest factor in shifting my perspective on the ship, and not only because of Cangel. Angel just feels like a very different person to me in AtS and as the seasons progress he moves on from Buffy and although she’s always in his heart as his great love, he outgrows her and she no longer makes sense for him as a romantic pairing. I’ve also connected more deeply with Angel as a consequence of watching AtS and feel like I understand him in a different way. 

I think I’ve said something similar to this before in another post, but when I watched BtVS I saw Bangel’s relationship through Buffy’s perspective but watching AtS enabled me to see the relationship through Angel’s perspective and that completely changed how I saw the relationship as a whole. 

Looking at the whole picture and taking both shows into account I see Buffy and Angel’s love for each other as being fundamentally different. Buffy never outgrows Angel but Angel does outgrow Buffy. Angel pines for Buffy throughout Season 1 of AtS and after that it fades. He still loves her because it’s Buffy and she’s special to him but he’s not in that place anymore; he loves her but he’s not in love with her. Whereas Buffy, no matter what, always reads as being in love with Angel to me. Maybe this has a lot to do with the fact that Angel is a vampire so he’s used to people coming and going, of compartmentalising relationships and losses whereas Buffy is much more raw. 

I also feel like the inconsistencies between BtVS and AtS diminished the Bangel relationship for me. It’s something I didn’t notice prior to watching AtS, but it’s glaringly obvious now that I have watched both shows that there are huge inconsistencies with . Due to network issues, AtS deliberately pulled away from the Bangel ship and changed Angel’s character to make him a believable protagonist on his own show. The result is that Bangel is diminished slightly, particularly post AtS Season 1 and Angel feels like a different person between shows, making the version of Angel in BtVS feel like a stunted version of his character. That in turn makes the Bangel relationship feel less than it did previously because I don’t see Angel fully reflected in that relationship. 

These inconsistencies are even worse in specific areas such as AtS Season 4/BtVS Season 7 where Angel is portrayed as being in love with Cordelia but within days/weeks of her death turns up in Sunnydale, kisses Buffy and tells her he’ll be waiting for her... It makes no sense within the canon and whilst Bangel’s interactions in Chosen used to be some of my favourites I now can’t look at them in the same way when I consider the timeline and events of AtS Season 4. 

Whilst these things are down to off-screen issues, complications and inconsistencies, and most likely not how the Angel’s character or the Bangel relationship was intended to be portrayed, it has impacted my perception of the ship nonetheless. 

Dangel - I didn’t care for Dangel at all after watching BtVS because there’s so little of them but AtS absolutely converted me into a Dangel shipper. I love Angel and Darla’s dynamic so much, it’s one of my favourites in the entire Buffyverse. It’s such a complex and interesting relationship. I like that it’s not easily defined and that nothing with them is black and white. They love each other but their love was born from darkness, lust, greed and let’s face it plain evil. Consequently, they’re destructive and selfish together. Yet they have these moments of genuine heartfelt selfless love, sacrifice and gentleness. Their chemistry is great and I enjoy watching them on-screen together. 

As for when I started shipping Cangel, I remember consciously realising I was definitely shipping them after the scene in Dead End in Season 2 when Angel brought her the food and she said she loved him. I did enjoy their dynamic up until that point and definitely had moments where I saw the potential for me to ship them in a serious way, but I was still more invested in them platonically up until that point. 

Thanks again for asking, this was fun 😊

[sulietsexual]

The hate that bangel receives from just about everyone in the Buffy fandom is way too over the top. They’re not a perfect ship by any means, but it seems like everyone goes out of their way to willfully misinterpret every little detail about them to make the relationship seem lesser than, dirty, and bad. This is usually done in favor of propring up other ships, especially spuffy and cangel. Why do you think people can’t like a ship without denigrating another one in the most dishonest way possible?

Unfortunately, Nonnie, ship wars always get messy, no matter the fandom. The "dirtying up" of the Bangel ship is almost always driven by Spuffies who, unfortunately for them, have a ship that is so full of abuse and toxicity that they almost have no choice but to try to dirty up the Bangel ship in order to make theirs look "better".

My advice is to take full advantage of the blacklist and surround yourself with lovely Bangel fans who can appreciate the ship for what it is!

[girl4music]

With all my Bangel VS Cangel talk recently it probably does come across like I hate Bangel. This isn’t true.

I don’t hate Bangel at all. I just don’t ship them as that all-encompassing true love/soulmates ship many do.

I wanted to root for them. I really did. But with pretty much everything with them or revolving around them - all that I could see was red flags everywhere. How can I put my support and faith into a dynamic like Buffy and Angel’s when they can’t even put their support and faith into each other most of the time?

That’s not a relationship. I don’t care what anyone says. And it’s not a Bangel VS Spuffy conflict either. I’m not saying what I do just because I ship Spuffy. It would be shallow and petty and pathetic if that was the only reason why I go so hard against Bangel. I’m not into that whole fandom stan/ship wars business.

I genuinely CANNOT see the appeal in Bangel at all.

I can see the appeal in Spuffy despite the mutual abuse. They have the same appeal for me so of course I can… but it’s not about them why I say what I do. And it’s not because I hate the individual characters in the ship either. I’ve actually come to like Angel a lot in his show. His development from who he was in ‘BtVS’ to ‘AtS’ is significant. He is so much more interesting. And I’ve always liked Buffy. I just find it difficult to focus on her character arc because of how painful it is.

Bangel is not a healthy relationship to me at all. A healthy relationship is one that makes both people in it better people for being together and because of the positive influence that they have on each other. I could barely stand either of them when they were together. They honestly both came across as awful people. You know what really threw the nail in the proverbial coffin for me though? The moment I gave up even trying to pretend that Bangel meant anything to me? The moment I knew their relationship was done for good?

‘I Will Remember You’

It’s funny. So many people regard that episode as Bangel’s episode. Their great tragic romance episode.

It’s certainly tragic alright. But it’s not romantic. It’s not something I watch and think “they’re so 😍”

I watch that and I think “what the bloody hell is the point of them in the first place?” It’s true - love makes you do insane things. But if one of those insane things is purposefully preventing any happiness for you and your love out of a scare that may not even come true…

It’s not their great tragic romance episode at all.

It’s their ‘Hell’s Bells’. And even that relationship still had all the potential to be salvaged despite how absolutely devastating that episode was for Anya. That episode still had somewhat romantic undertones. ‘I Will Remember You’ didn’t. Those “cute” moments between them meant nothing if neither of them could hold on to the memories of it.

What I can say that they did for each other was help each other to grow into stronger people than before.

But that’s not in a good way. That’s in a “well, that’s inevitable” way because pain does help us grow. But at the end of the day I don’t blame the couple or the characters. I just think Whedon loves destroying love because he understands this probably a bit too much.

He never wanted to make last and celebrate any of Buffy’s romantic/sexual relationships because he believed that growth from pain was just the stronger and more realistic story to tell. And he wasn’t wrong. It is. But thematic balance is important for a reason and I don’t think he quite knew how to keep that balance. Likely because he didn’t have that balance in himself.

Anyways, I just wanted to express this thoroughly once and for all. I’ll likely never mention it again in this depth - but to reiterate - I don’t hate Bangel but I am very much anti-Bangel because I genuinely don’t see the point in being pro for shipping them as a romantic/sexual relationship and I don’t see the appeal at all. Maybe someone could explain it to me.

@hysterical @sayyoume @oveliagirlhaditright

[moistvonlipwig]

for the choose violence game number 11 for buffy the vampire slayer !!

11. number of fandom-related words you’ve filtered

I actually only filter out anti tags for characters or ships I don't want to see hate for, largely because I curate my dash very heavily so I just don't see a lot of stuff I don't like, and I only go into very specific main tags. For the Buffyverse I only have the anti tags for Cordelia Chase and Cangel blacklisted, for times when I go into my very specific main tags of choice. So...2!