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brf-rumortrackinganon · 3 months

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I had a thought last night when reading your posts…

Conspiracy theories and inane rumors aside, what is holding back Megan from doing social media? It’s just weird. So the whole Occam’s razor thing, simplest answer blah blah blah, what is the simplest explanation? Here again, it’s just weird.

Since you have an impressive body of reference material that could maybe leave some insight I’m missing.

The simplest answer—to me—is she simply doesn’t want it. That doesn’t seem like her though. The SussexRoyal clause still in effect? Maybe it would expose too many of her fabrications, varying recollections and interpersonal relationships? Because she seems to throw simple and transparent to the wind I’ll just go back to saying, yeah, it’s just weird.

Interest and content.

On interest: Meghan doesn't create or inspire the kind of interest to generate tons and tons of followers. She doesn't want Tig numbers anymore, she wants Jennifer Aniston and Kensington Palace numbers:

Jennifer Aniston broke Instagram's record by getting 1 million followers in 5 hours back in 2019, which broke the previous record set by the SussexRoyal Instagram, 1 million followers in 6 hours. Aniston's record isn't even top 5 anymore - a BTS singer holds first place with 1 million followers in 45 minutes and Angelina Jolie is next with 1 million followers in 1 hour.

Kensington Palace's Instagram has 15 million followers, currently. (SussexRoyal Instagram is currently around 9 million followers now - I think that's how many they had when they left in March 2020.)

Meghan/The Tig's Instagram before she deactivated in January 2018 was 3 million followers. For comparison - the official Invictus Games Instagram has 46 thousand followers and Invictus Games Vancouver only has 3,000 followers.

We know that Meghan and Harry were trying to get Facebook, who owns Instagram, to migrate their followers from SussexRoyal Instagram to a new Instagram account and Facebook kept refusing. So we know that they were concerned about wanting/having a huge following. We also know that there are a lot of bots supporting SussexRoyal -- all you had to do is dig deep into the comments and it was there.

I think the account they wanted Facebook to move their SussexRoyal followers to was @thearchewellorganization. The account was created at the same time they announced Archewell and the profile picture uses the same font as their website. Since they lost the fight with Facebook to get their followers moved, they scrubbed the Archewell social media but the account still remains (probably so they have the option to use it later).

And there was a TON of PR from Meghan last summer, August 2023 especially, that she was coming back to social media. Those stories specifically pointed to this account as Meghan's to boost the follower count before she "returned."

As you can see, the followers didn't come, so therefore there was no big comeback. I think Meghan was expecting to get at least Tig-like numbers with her teases and links (after all, it worked the first time around) but the influencer/follower model is completely different now. What worked in 2016 isn't going to work in 2023. Which leads to the second point:

Content. The rules, both the official rules and the unofficial rules, have changed since 2018. The biggest change has been the rules for branded content, or sponsorship. Influencers that are merching are now required, by the terms and conditions of using Instagram, to disclose when they are merching and who is sponsoring them. You didn't have to do that back in 2016. And Meghan doesn't want to disclose who her sponsors are or when she's merching. She doesn't want us to know how desperate for money she is because it goes against the illusion she thinks she has created of being fabulously wealthy and an iconic trendsetter.

The second way the content game has changed is that you have to have stuff to post and promote. Only the incredibly popular people or the incredibly beloved people - the Angelina Jolies, the BTSs, the Kensington Palaces of the world - can get away with not posting for weeks or months at a time and it won't affect their follower count.

Meghan can't do that. She doesn't have the popularity, the fanbase, or the breadth and quality of work to be posting on any kind of regular or consistent basis. She wants to be at that level of fame, she believes she's at that level of fame, she's gaslighted some people to believing she has that level of fame, but she knows she can't convince all of us and the risk of non-believers "corrupting" believers is too great for her to chance.

Which leads to the third way the content game has changed: content moderation. She knows she is disliked and hated. She knows exactly why people dislike and hate her. She's fine with that. She likes the notoreity because in her mind, any attention is good attention. What Meghan doesn't like, and what she wants to control, is how visible that hate is to the public and the people who do like her. She only wants praise on social media because it's what garners the most traction in the power elite circles she wants to be in. Meaning she's going to have to do content moderation - either pay people to delete the hate, not allowing content, or being so restrictive in what keywords are allowed - that it's not worth the hassle.

My gut feeling is that they both want to be on social media but they can't deal with the criticism or the comparisons to William and Kate so Meghan hired Bouzy to take care of the haters (especially the ones that value William and Kate more) and Harry tackled media censorship as his Big Issue to take care of the content moderation.

(And all of these combined is, I think, is the root cause for why she and Harry are so suddenly focused on online child safety. WME probably got them on the bandwagon but you know they were super butthurt Zuckerburg and the other tech guys wouldn't do what they wanted back in 2020.)

Edit to fix the BTS band name.

#ask #brf #sussexes

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sageistrii · 1 month

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I remember having a conversation with someone about Jimin finding his sound and genre that he decides to stick to and honestly, I pray that never happens.

I think it's nice to know what to expect from an artist but at the same time it can get boring. There's nothing more exhilarating than not being able to predict what genre an artist's next title track is going to sound like.

Is it going to be pop? RnB? Hip-hop? The possibilities are endless.

It's one of the reasons why I love artists like Beyonce, bts, and kpop groups like Ive, g-idle and le sserafim because you can say whatever you want about the quality of the music and talk about having no "musical identity" but one thing you'll never experience with artists like that is boredom.

Beyonce's 2016 album "lemonade" was a mix of different genres, in 2018 she released a rap album with her husband, in 2019 she released an afrobeatz soundtrack album "the gift", in 2022 she had her long awaited comeback with house music a genre that most people did not like and were not sure of at the start but she made them like it and now she's releasing a country album. And as expected she's getting criticisms for it but that's the fun of it all.

Also having a sound doesn't necessarily mean you have to stick to one genre. Some artists only stick to one genre while some dabble in different ones but with a personal sound or touch that is recognizable ( e.g the weeknd and Ariana)

And artists like that are not affected when they change their sound because it is expected and so it's not jarring to their listeners. I want Jimin to be the kind of artist that could decide to have an full rock era one day or decide to release a jazz album without his fans batting an eye because it is expected of him to surprise them.

#I've seen artists stick to a particular sound and the moment they get bored and try to switch it up #they lose fans because the audience that they have cultivated over the years do not want or expect that from them.

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beautifulpersonpeach · 4 months

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Hello, you're someone I've come to respect to give honest and thoughtful answers to questions that may not be 'the general consensus' and I hoped I could get your opinion on the following. I was watching a translated version of an interview JK did during his solo era and I know we need to be cautious about accuracy of tone and meaning. He said he missed being on stage with BTS but instead of it coming across as ‘I love being solo but sometimes miss them' it was more 'thanks for the solo opportunity but I still prefer being with them'. I’m a newer fan – Dec 2019 – so I don’t have years of perspective insight on their personalities like some other fans but I sensed that this moment was at odds to the ‘I want to be the biggest popstar ever’ we got shoved down our throats recently. It niggled at me to the point that this last week I've been looking back on a lot of JK content and I'm a little startled by how much evidence there is that JK hasn't ever wanted to be a soloist. It's nothing major, just lots of little comments and behaviours that paint a big picture if you look for it. I know that confirmation bias happens, that once you have an idea you look for evidence and convince yourself you're right when you find it. But the more I look the more I see JK not being the 'cocky soloist bts sell-out' that many horribly seem to have tagged him with recently but as possibly the biggest OT7 in the group who was forced into a solo project. Looking back through BTS content, I'm actually a little startled how many times he says he prefers being on stage with the others than doing a solo performance. We all know he’s said he wants to be in BTS till they are old men, that he wants RM to always be leader (a little strange for the supposed soloist), he looked almost terrified when he found out that Dreamers was a solo project, he always hovers in the background in BTS content (again strange for THE soloist), and there is an overall impression he hates being on his own and is very much an introvert. He seems happy to show off his voice for solo material providing it’s mainly in a studio or a familiar/homely setting and he can get back to the group activities asap. There are many other things out there but I’m glossing to save word count. Now, looking back at his latest solo venture with an idea that maybe he didn’t even want to do it, the story becomes very different but I’d argue makes as much sense as the (horrible) current rhetoric. For years, the expectation from BigHit/Hybe/Armies is that JK could and should be the new global superstar. And let's be absolutely honest here, JK has the talent to be the biggest artist in the world if he wanted. I'm just wondering if he doesn't actually want it? That he just wants to sing and be the main vocalist for BTS – and while he enjoys being told he has the best voice and ‘could’ be a global superstar – he actually doesn’t want that, for whatever reason. If he didn’t want a big solo career and he put in some resistance to keep his career from going astronomical it explains some of the weirdness around his solo era – and choices. I’ve seen others mention a weird dichotomy with some of the choices made and I wonder, now, if it was down to a push and pull between JK and Hybe. Hybe wanted to rocket launch him into stardom and JK wanted a limit that didn’t put him in jeopardy of losing BTS as his main focus. I have to admit I get a chuckle out of the idea of JK dragging his heels writing an album to the point Hybe are like you will have a global solo project even if I have to get a western producer to write it for you. Then JK coming back with the trump card of, well, you do that and I’ll play along but oops I’ve applied early for the military so *timelimit* but hey I’ll be back in time for the promised BTS comeback! Obviously that’s some serious conjecture and I’m being a little tongue-in-cheek but I guess, what I’m ultimately wondering, is if this kind of conversation has ever hit your radar? Or if it’s something you’ve wondered yourself?

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"Obviously that’s some serious conjecture and I’m being a little tongue-in-cheek"

I'm grateful for the small show of self-awareness. Really.

Thank you for taking the time to write all that. It helped me better understand your point of view, and while I can see where you're coming from, I disagree with many of the assumptions you've made and what you conclude.

First off, why is it so difficult to imagine Jungkook as a global pop star while active in BTS and fitting seamlessly in a group that keeps reaching new heights? Why must it be a zero sum game of one or the other? Why is it so difficult for people to believe this is a reality Jungkook might envision and work towards?

I've said before that I think Jungkook is a very simple and honest person. When he says something it's usually what he means. If you want to understand Jungkook, the easiest way is to simply listen to him. Anon, you said you don't get the impression that Jungkook wants to be a global pop star, but I think he does. There's an interview from 2020 that I strongly suggest you read in full. It explains so much of the kind of person Jungkook is. It made me fall a little more in love with him. The article is linked here but the excerpt I want to highlight is this:

Jung Kook: I think my heart’s telling me to. BTS was able to climb this high thanks to the group members, the company and our fans. But there’s always the question of whether I could receive that kind of recognition by myself, so I have this feeling of wanting to throw myself at some challenge alone. There’s a lot I want to do, and a lot I want to achieve.

By gradually improving yourself, what kind of person would you ideally want to become? Jung Kook: A person who’s crazy awesome in their field. (laughs) Those kinds of people look cool even when they do something different. I still have a long way to go. I feel like I could be more captivating and draw more out of people by improving any number of things, by trying hard to be confident about my singing, or the way I dance and perform. BTS is way more important and meaningful to me than I am to myself, so I’m not saying I want to do anything alone. But I hope I get to the point where I can perform alone for three or four hours in a venue full of people.

Italicized for emphasis.

Like I said, I honestly think anybody who is shocked by what they're seeing in Chapter 2 for any member, probably just wasn't really paying attention before. That's not a diss it's just what I think.

We agree that Jungkook has more than enough talent to be a global pop star; we agree that at the end of the day, going by his choices to enlist so much earlier than he needed to, among other things, Jungkook indeed prioritizes the group. But it's only in a fandom filled with insecure twats that Jungkook simply saying he wants to be a global pop star is treated like he denied the holocaust. In my opinion. Jungkook could be the biggest pop star and Jimin would be right there with him. On his own merits. Owning the world with him because they are BTS. Solos are obsessed with sorting out the popularity of the members within the group, but they forget that BTS are too ambitious to ever make it easy for the world to care about anything but them. I take issue with the very idea that Jungkook being the biggest pop star is somehow problematic for a group like BTS. Even more so when this is apparently the reality BTS have all agreed to, enough to renew their exclusive contracts early, twice.

I think you have a point about all the times Jungkook appears kinda reluctant to do a solo gig though. I mean, he's said it himself that he's actually kinda shy and feels most comfortable with the guys. They're all like that, you know? That's the thing about BTS that it seems only ARMYs get. BTS actually want to remain together, in a system designed to pull them apart. That's why they're one of the few anomalies in this ecosystem, an anomaly the system keeps trying to both replicate and eliminate.

Jungkook feels most comfortable performing with the guys, but he also has a desire to establish himself as a solo artist. I assume this is something everybody in BTS, Bang PD / HYBE, and Jungkook himself understands. Rather than the company dictating solo goals for Jungkook, I think this is something Jungkook is involved in and partly responsible for. As are the other members.

I'm already rambling but what I mean to say is that I think a lot of the discourse around Jungkook's actions in Chapter 2 have been either ignorant or in bad faith. And I think that's unfair to him given it came from his own fandom.

The only real disappointment I got from Jungkook in Chapter 2 is that his solo album didn't have a song he wrote or produced, especially when I know he'd done both several times before. I understand writing a song in a language he doesn't speak can make a difficult task even more intimidating. But I also think he just kinda choked. He'd been building expectations for his solo debut for three years and had to deliver something epic. But between the Busan concert, World Cup, OSTs, enlistment announcements/planning, etc I wouldn't be surprised if he just got overwhelmed and by the time he got his bearings he felt he didn't have enough time and got stuck. That sounds kinda long-winded but it's something I've seen happen often and a feeling I've experienced myself.

Sometimes people just get stuck. It takes a mini-intervention to get the ball rolling again. In this case, and to use a reference from the article above, Jungkook decided to tackle the idea of introducing himself as a solo artist, a bit at a time. In Golden we're given a selection of his pop tastes, songs that he feels represents him, in his beautiful voice. Bang PD gave him a challenge of an all English album and Jungkook more than delivered. Would I have preferred more direct involvement from him? Of course, and it's what I expect in his next project. But for his first work I'll excuse it given he does such a phenomenal job in his vocal delivery and the songs are bops.

Anyway, I appreciate that you felt there was something off in the bad rep Jungkook has been getting, and actually did the work of going back to watch original content. I just disagree with some assumptions you've made along the way because in my view, it's unneeded. Jungkook is very clear about the kind of person he is and what he wants for himself and BTS.

#jungkook #jikook #bts #bts chapter 2 #bts solo careers #bts solo music #bts solo stans #bts fandom #bts army

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kanmom51 · 1 year

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Jikook Vlives Masterlist

2013-2015 Vlives

JK log 18 Jul 2013 - Bangtan

JK 2015 Vlive

JK birthday Vlive - the 50 Tshirt gift

RM 2015 birthday Vlive

2016 Vlives

Paris Vlive June 2016

Paris 2016 Vlive twisted by TKK’s

Osaka Vlive - was Jimin there?

Tokyo Vlive

Tokyo Vlive yet again

Yes, again with the Tokyo Vlive

Jikook hickies?

Jin/JM talking JK out of quitting?

2017 vlives

February 2017 Vlive - what JK would do for a girl/boy he liked...

May 2017 BBMA’s ot7 Vlive

BTS Vlive BBMA’s

20 November 2017 post AMA’s performance Vlive

so mangae - Jin eats Vlive

Global Vlive top 10 BTS

2018 Vlives

24 May 2018 comeback show pre-live

BTS live from 10 June 2018

Comeback live May 2018 - Jimin-ssi

JK’s nose boop mission 2018 and the repercussions (?)

The behind mission for the comeback show preview Vlive

2019 Vlives

Tae’s Paris Vlive January 2019

The New Jersey Vlive - “Tae get the f**k out of here already” vibe

New Jersey Vlive

Happy 3 year anniversary to the New Jersey Vlive

Jimin Busan Vlive 2019

Jimin’s Saudi Arabia Vlive

JM flying back for JK’s birthday 2019 - his Saudi Vlive

When JK tried to feed JM

2020 Vlives

Jimin’s Vlive conversation with Jin - did JK interrupt?

Hobi Vlive - JK’s comment he didn’t think he would fall in love with a man...

Was it a kiss?

BTS Seven special party

BTS Seven special party Vlive - dalgona coffee metion

Dynamite Vlive

Carnation Vlive

JM Vlive 20 April 2020

11 May 2020 live log

Oh, Kookie...

RM birthday Vlive 2020

Purple radio live comeback special

Bangtan Bomb Black swan VCR behind

2021 Vlives

BTS OT7 live 19 Feb 2021, so what did we have?

Butter Vlive - JK & JM fasting together?

Just putting it out there

When Jikook are not sat together in lives

Jimin 2021 birthday masterlist

Hobi spilling the beans

No translation needed, but if it is, JK’s not a kangaroo, lol

Another no translation needed, but just in case we shared it, lol

JM when telling us JK is on his way

JM’s phone call to JK

JK recommending JM’s mom’s cooking

I think JM is happy

K-army adding fuel to the Jikook fire (reblog)

Vlive decorations and the use of JM

6 years apart and yet

Jikook on camera in a nutshell (reblog)

Again Jimin is happy

They just have to hold hands, don’t they?

JM is genuine

Jimin is human

Was JM hinting to JK “don’t order food babe we have dinner plans”?

Was JK joining JM for dinner with his parents?

The birthday cake

JM’s birthday Vlive 2021 one more time

BTS Vlive 20 October 2021

BTS Vlive 20 October 2021 - again with the handshaking

BTS Vlive 20 October 2021 - if only we knew what they were saying

BTS Vlive 20 October 2021 - so soft

BTS Vlive 20 October 2021 - Tae’s “Excuse me...”

BTS Vlive 20 October 2021 - JK not worrying about noise complaints

BTS Vlive 20 October 2021 - why Tae switched places with JM

Jimin being affectionate during ot7 lives - nothing new

Vminkook Vlive 28 Nov 2021 Masterlist

3 Vlives

Sit on my lap?

Minkook from now on?

JK was nervous

Who is JM checking out?

Today’s TMI

No words needed line of communication

From now on it’s Minkook or Minkookie

Minkook/Jikook/Kookmin TMI during the Vlive explained

1+1 in Minkookland/Jikookland

“We” was used multiple times

The couple in the room was evident

“we laugh to sleep every night

2022 Vlives

BTS Vlive 19 March 2022 - why does this look so familiar?

BTS Vlive 19 March 2022 - what kind of food are you eating now days JM?

Jungkook Vlive 16 June 2022

Jungkook Vlive 5 April 2022

JK be: I told you you’d be jealous...

JK is talking

JK prey tell us who has complained about your moving and snoring in your sleep

JK being loud - where is it coming from?

Problematic Vlive subtitles

Vlive post Grammy’s 2022

JK dropping honorifics with JM, yet again

They were in each other’s ears

Do we have to address this one more time?

And if we already on it...

JK just hanging there

JK practiced alone in his room during quarantine, and JM is the one to tell us

Jikook and the Itaewon class reference

VminHopekook Vlive after concert day 3

JK joining the live

JK joining the live - a better translation (wrong link)

Looking comfy

JM, what ya doing?

Of course JM knew about JK’s live

Vminhope telling how V, Hobi, JM & JK spend spare time together

Finally JK will have someone to box with

JK knowing JM’s maternal grandmother’s birthday

Spot the couple

JK moving Hobi to take his place by JM - yet again

Spot the difference

Waiting for the JM Traitor edit

We moved on too fast from this Vlive

JM - JK - Hobi - Tae Weverse live post concert

It was too short

JK’s mom made seaweed soup for JM’s birthday

The ramen bowl

JK farts are definitely a subject to be discussed in a live broadcast

JK marry me - JK’s bad decisions, lol

I cannot and will not let this go

I’m back real fast

Just JK thinking JM is so adorable

JK’s mom and the seaweed soup

JM’s lock screen

I get it

Please pretty please

JM’s necklace again

Too spicy Jjyaman?

JikookVhope live summery

Jimin Vlive 27 September 2022

27 September 2022 JM is live

JM Weverse live 18 September 2022

JM’s live and mentioning JK

And again the use of Jungkookie

Yes, he definitely said Jungkookie

2023 lives

The Feb-Mar 2023 Wlives masterlist

April Vlives

Jimin W-live 4 April 2023

JK live 8 April 2023 - initial thoughts

JK live 8 April 2023

JK live 25 April 2023

Karma isn’t a bitch, karma is JK

JK's White day live, JM's Angel pt. 1 and all that's in between...

JK the crowned 👑 spoiler king

May lives

Jakay what you doing - live 25 May 23

JK live 25.5.2023 12:03 am KST

So JVKE has named our boys angelboys?

So JK did this

June lives

JK is live and I’m awake 5 June 2023

Nah, this man he is something special

The connections are connecting

Do I need to say anymore?

JK live 5 June 2023 7:03 am KST

JK live 12 June 2023 7:02 am KST

JM live 15 June 2023 20:46 or 8:46pm KST

JK's live 30 June 2023 12:38 am KST

Does JK live at Brunnen full time?

July lives

JK live 5 July 2023 4:02 am KST

JK live 18 July 2023

Relationships 101: What we can learn from JK's live

JK live 21 July 2023 part 1

JK live 21 July 2023 part 2

JK live 27 July 2023 - JK singing Letter

JK has JM on the brain

JK live 27 July 2023 0:00 KST

JK live 28 July 2023 - reblog

JK live 28 July 2023 post

Just play it on repeat - JK Inkigayo live 30 July 2023

JK live 30 July 2023 - Part 1

JK live 30 July 2023 - Part 2 + live 31 July 2023

August lives

JK live 8/3/2023 10:26 pm or 22:26 KST

JK live 5 August 2023 - I slept through it all

JK live 5 August 2023 1:41 am KST - Part 1

JK live 5 August 2023 1:41 am KST - Part 2

JK live 5 August 2023

September lives

Ahm...happy birthday JK (post includes JK’s 1 Sep live)

JM live 1 September 2023 20:54 or 8:54 pm KST - Part 1

JM live 1 September 2023 20:54 or 8:54 pm KST - Part 2

JK live 23 September 2023 (NYC)

JK live 23 September 2023 (NYC) - full post

October lives

JK live 4 October 2023 summed up in 50 seconds

JK live 4 October 2023

JM Production diary live - Nah I couldn’t wait for my post for you guys to see this

Just me or same vibes?

We just lost him at that point

JM production diary documentary and live 23 October 2023

Muscle memory

Came here for a bitch rant

#BTS Vlives #BTS lives #Jikook lives #Jikook Vlives #Jikook W live #Jikook Vlives masterlist #Jikook W live masterlist #jikook #kookmin #Minkook #Jungkook #jimin #JM #JK #JK Vlive #JK Wlive #JM Vlive #JM W live

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achillvs · 12 days

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hey hey i’ve been curious for a while but you’re also army!!!! standard questions but do you have a bias?? fav comeback/era???

(also sorry if i’ve asked before and forgotten my memory is… not very good lol)

hiiiiii! yes this blog used to be mainly a bts blog 2016-2020 with my url @ ahjiminie so there's your answer for the bias ^^ but yoongi is a close second, he's the member who most resonates with me emotionally and mentally. i liked to say i'm like yoongi but i'd like to be like jimin. after all these years it's probably changed a little bit (mostly with both yoongi and me healing)

my favourite comeback was probably YNWA/spring day bc it was my first proper one (i joined summer 2016 but wasnt very fandom literate at the time and wasnt 'properly' there for wings). i went to 3 bts concerts (2018 and 2 in 2019) but i'd happily exchange any of them for witnessing the wings solos live instead;;;

in general i stopped being so invested around their american focus era/2021 ish, but they'll always have a special place in my heart. bts find you when you need them most and i stand by that <3

what about you???

#bts #used to blog about them so much i didnt even use the collective tag #each member has their own 'special' tag as well #jimin's is #light of my life #inbox #inbox love #touchlikethesun

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solarwynd · 22 days

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Right?? This whole week as LC was increasing I saw non stop tears and recriminations because "guys we need to focus on new releases". But somehow LC reaches one billion and now suddeny the new focus is getting every member to 1B. They don't even seem to be that sad that neuron has completely left the chart. It's been 1 week 💀

Anyway the project is doomed to fail like anon said. Many armys nowadays seem to have no concept of how charts or streams work. I don't think most of them have worked out how long it's going to take to get all of them to 1 billion. With the numbers as they are SNTY and LMA would probably be the easiest to get to 1 billion and it would still take at least half an year more to get that done. Reminds me of that one army yesterday who had no idea that the spotify counter is for unfiltered streams or that army from a few weeks back who tried to cover up being an anti by saying let's get LC to 1 billion in 3 days when it still had 20M left to go.

I used to think armys (and other solos) were being deliberately obtuse about things because there's no way they don't see the payola JK got or not know how the hot 100 or radio works but I'm becoming more and more convinced that the armys of today are not the ones from 2018-2021 because they seem to have no clue what's going on most of the time.

Fandom is already divided as hell - with the anti-company stans and boycotts, the pro-company stans demonising other armys, some outright antis masquerading as ot7s and everyone else only being here for bragging rights and fighting other kpop stans, things are not looking good for 2025. BTS better bring their a-game for their next work because if they're planning on skating by with some boring ballad as a title track, weak concept and with all of them sitting on chairs, its going to land them nowhere with the fandom in this state.

All I know is armys better point that finger at themselves if hobi doesn’t chart on hot 100 next week, cause I’ve never seen such a lack of effort for a bts member’s comeback in all my years of being in that fandom.

“I'm becoming more and more convinced that the armys of today are not the ones from 2018-2021 because they seem to have no clue what's going on most of the time.”

You’d be correct. A lot of people left with the english trilogy and onward and got replaced by the chart obsessed ones here now. Which sucks cause army twitter was better 2018-2019. It definitely still had it’s issues but armys back then were a lot more useful.

“BTS better bring their a-game for their next work because if they're planning on skating by with some boring ballad as a title track, weak concept and with all of them sitting on chairs, its going to land them nowhere with the fandom in this state.”

Chair era was the absolute pit. I know it was concentrated around the more ballad type songs but even spring day had choreo. Pair that with both LGO and YTC being dull songs everything was just so lackluster. And after seeing Jimin do smf2 level choreo, having to watch him go back to sitting on chairs would do me in. So I honestly hope that they don’t come back with that. Or them damn white dionysus clown boots!

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bts-bangtanies · 28 days

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BTS at Mnet MCountdown ‘Map of the Soul: Persona’ 🗺️💜🍚🎭 (6th mini album - 12 April 📀) comeback performance of “Boy with Luv” - 🎤 18 April 2019

#bts #bangtan #bangtan sonyeondan #map of the soul persona #boy with luv

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onwriting-hrarby · 30 days

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respectful thoughts on concept vs aesthetic in the new kpop generation

[disclaimer: this is a very light opinion article about kpop. i am not dissing any groups mentioned, since i love them all, and i'm straying from bringing any negativity. the fact that i don't like some of the music these groups make doesn't mean i can't acknowledge their hard work. often, my critique falls to the managements.]

so, these last few weeks we've had some 3rd generation comebacks in the kpop community and some debuts and other well-known comebacks for the newer generations. but, mostly, i'm going to talk about how music in kpop has been westernalized to the point of becoming mostly generic, forgetting what made kpop since the beginning: concept.

the reason why i like 2nd and 3rd generation the most in kpop is not because of the music, dance or vocals, although i admit it irks me a lot that nowadays most idols won't sing live (like, ever), but because i think it's the pinnacle of concepts vs aesthetics.

what is concept and what is aeshetic: red velvet

let's take my amazing girls, red velvet, my favourite group, and their last comeback. when the teasers were released, we all thought we were going to go "velvet", this time (although i hope we would go red, and i have an inkling we would go red velvet). but the gloominess of the pictures, the elegance, the way they seemed out of the museum strayed a little bit further from the quirkiness of birthday and they felt more serious, much like "peekaboo" concept pictures or even "feel my rhythm's".

when the song released, we were all surprised. we love it, as we normally do with red velvet, but the problem with the main public was that their expectation of the concept of the pictures didn't correlate with the actual concept of the song.

and that's because the teasers were nothing but aesthetics. the aesthetic was dark but the concept was "red velvet". when the idea of the whole paraphernalia around the song doesn't link with the music of the song, we are not talking about a concept but about a aesthetic. a concept is cohesive in the ways we think the song: from the notes, the rhythm, to the message, the pictures, the way we promote it. aesthetic is taking what we feel "looks good" and putting it into a concept that doesn't need it. aesthetics don't tell a story, concepts do.

it doesn't mean that chill kill wasn't a good album or a good comeback. it means that it was at fault since the beginning, because we were waiting to be told a story how red velvet does, from the music itself, while it felt like they were telling it from the pictures.

(that is also what has happened with the lastest comeback of nct dream).

almost all of the 3rd generation groups, and mainly girlgroups, debuted with a clear concept: red velvet (red and velvet concept), mamamoo ("live" concept), girlfriend (kind of 'magical' sphere), blackpink, dreamcatcher, loona, and i feel like this is being left behind to accomodate more "aesthetics", and music —kpop— feels less genuine. that's why i'm not feeling very tied to the kpop sphere anymore: it's all about consumption.

bts and the consumption of kpop

i love bts, and i'm a long time bangtan fan since they debuted, but i am confident in saying that after "fake love" (maybe let's stretch to "idol") their music wasn't as striking. it wasn't that they didn't have a good production, or didn't do their best, or weren't at their best ("black swan" is still amazing in all senses, for example, and works perfectly as a song), but i think it's because they were "westernalized" in the concept vs aesthetics idea. while before bts used to have a clear concept, not only of what they meant as a group and wanted to tell, but also later as it migrated to the trilogy of "love yourself", after they hit it big in 2019 they started confusing, to my opinion, the concept with the aesthetic: they didn't do albums for the sake of telling a story or concept anymore, but for the sake of milking the cow (not the boys' fault). don't get me wrong: mots 7 still had a clear concept in the CD, but it didn't feel as whole as a BTS project anymore. rm even said something along the lines of "we have to stop because we have lost sight of what we're doing".

that's because in the west we're not used to concepts but to aesthetics: the music is not cohesive with a preestablished idea of storytelling, but with the artist. most of the bands and soloists don't change the music style as to what music their storytelling needs but to what their personal needs as an artist do. take taylor swift, for example: every cd is different, but it's cohesive in what taylor swift does. as a long taylor swift fan too, when we got from "speak now" to "red" we were utterly confused, because that's when she began changing her aesthetic, and therefore, her music, but because the concept was "taylor swift", it was still recognizable. she's not the first one: it also happened with the beatles, "revolver" being the first album to truly differ from the others, only to completely change their music with "sgt pepper's". ariana grande changes aesthetics, but her music is mostly cohesive throughout, so does billie eilish, lorde, dua lipa. we would refer to it as having a "music style".

with bts, they found a huge market in the west. it wasn't the only incursion in kpop: after bts and blackpink, twice did, too, and we also had the jopping and popping of the sm super group—which, come on, it didn't land of obvious reasons—and we have aespa, gidle, and more. but bts was the first group to hit it BIG. we will all probably remember exo, red velvet, dreamcatcher and gfriend being ultra famous overseas, but not like bts and blackpink are.

BTS started changing their music around that time. the comebacks after 2019 didn't feel cohesive with what BTS was in their roots. "boy with luv" is a pop song that took us by surprise. "on" didn't land as well as black swan even though i personally love it. "be" didn't have a clear storytelling (or maybe a pandemic storytelling, too soon, imo). the most flagrant cases of BTS losing their concept to the aesthetic was "dynamite" and "butter", but mostly "butter": when "dynamite" was out, it made our summer. it was truly AMAZING. it couldn't get better. it felt like the song we needed, and it should have won the grammy. but it didn't, so they tried to replicate the same song with butter. really: listen to it. it uses the same rhythm, structure, the same "catchyness", and mostly, the same aesthetic.

blackpink, while we can criticize about the quality of their songs and how they use the same structure too—almost to a boring, predictable result—stood true to their concept since the beginning. if we hadn't been used to BTS management of concepts, we would have found that "butter" and "dynamite" worked well in the same way "how you like that" and "kill this love" too. but blackpink always played more with the "music style" than the concept, because when you repeat a concept over and over, not only in storytelling but also the musical creation, it become your signature music (to the point of a meme, almost).

but since BTS started changing and having their much deserved fame, look what happened to other hype groups: txt released their "disco" blue hour, tried to fit it into their concept (imo, they didn't do it very well). gfriend released "mago", while it's a good song it strays too far from the gfriend we were used to (and no: apple wasn't an incursion to far away lands. it still sounded 'magical', just like gfriend did). seventeen did something similar, too. the playfulness of the 70s/80s spread without regarding the groups unique concepts.

sm stood true to themselves: they had already made songs with "disco" (shinee, 'look' by red velvet...) and in contraposition they tried to westernize the concept of NCT. it hasn't worked, because no male group will ever be BTS, even though i believe exo could have had a huge chance only if they had appeared two years after. jyp went into hybe's direction, but kept it true to their group's concepts (itzy didn't sound the same as twice or stay kids). yg wasn't in their best moments as a business, then.

with bts in the west, the whole point of kpop and 3rd generation shifted: they aren't marketing songs aligned to the concept anymore, but to the aesthetic of the song. twice concept had started radically changing with "fancy" and "cry for me", but now it feels like they are just recycling their music over and over (also because twice concept, in the ageist era we live, is difficult to maintain once the members get old.) nct is a mess, trying to have catchy lyrics that utterly don't make any sense. gidle's english songs pale in comparison to the amazing songs in korean. aespa and itzy's english comebacks haven't hit is big. it feels as if there's a "line" that one has to cross to go to the west, which is leaving all your uniqueness of your concept back in korea to make it. and only bts and blackpink have mastered this (even though "the feels" by twice was a big success). [disclaimer: when i talk about success or failure i'm not talking about numbers, but about quality of the song.]

the case of gidle, stay c and aespa

those four groups are, to me, the ones that have maintained their concept all along. i don't talk about boygroups of the 4th generation because i'm not very familiar with them, but let me tell you about discovering gidle and aespa, and then stay c and new jeans:

gidle: they are a strange case, because they don't have a clear concept. that's because their concept, just like red velvet, changes every comeback while maintaining a concept identity. when gidle debuted, i named them the "red velvet daughters" and they still have to fail me in that sense. they are truly versatile, and it feels like they can do any concept they like while maintaining an identity, even with the loss of soojin.

aespa: when they debuted, i was utterly... scared. i didn't know what sm was pulling, and everyone celebrated them as the 4th gen leaders (when itzy was still doing the best numbers). i knew they weren't going to be, because they would stick to the concept. they are still one of the best artists in the 4th generation girlgroup space, and incredibly succesful, but ive has had more sellings, for example. but: numbers doesn't prove quality. ive's music, although very good, feels like there are other groups that could make it. while aespa's music feels unique to aespa. aespa has stayed so true to their concept much like blackpink does (i truly suffered with girls, because i was demaning a slight concept change, i was getting bored) and i think it's safe to say that the kind of music they do is very impactful, always experimental, like what sm pulls best. aespa will have a longetivity that itzy doesn't have (damn, i love itzy so much) just because sm has understood aespa's concept, while jyp still has to grasp what itzy is truly doing. and if itzy gets it right, aespa and itzy will become iconic to their eras.

stay c: now, my girls. truly underrated! stay c is the reencarnation of old bubbly kpop. they are consistent, both with their concept, aesthetic and music. you don't get the feeling that they release for big masses, even if all kpop does generally. they know what they do as a group and they do it incredibly well while staying true to their concept. they have twice producer and it shows because it definitely has a feel of the early twice. they sing well, they dance well, they cooperate. they are a fully fledge group with a mission and a storytelling.

before moving to illit, the case of newjeans

now, newjeans is known to be one of the best debuts in all kpop history, and i personally have listened to their first EP a hundred times, and "ditto" is one of my favourite kpop songs ever. and the reason why they are so successful is because of min hee jin (we can hate her, but come on, she's fucking good in her job): she's a master of concepts. and new jeans had a CLEAR concept. youthful, bubbly, lovely, catchy.

but it's not going to last, i'm afraid. they are impactful and they will make numbers but i truly think that they won't be as legendary as everyone has made it to be and that's because they've taken the same bts route, but far too early. FAR TOO EARLY. their last EP may have a concept as an EP but it feels somehow disconnected to what new jeans represented the first summer. i don't think they should stick to one concept forever—they would encounter the same problems as twice—but they have changed it too quickly without giving it time to properly experiment all the layers of it. differently from gidle or red velvet, which established themselves as truly versatile from the beginning, new jeans have strayed from their path soon enough but not far enough. their songs feel catered to the commodification of content, now, and frankly, almost all of the songs in their last EP, while experimental (and i love it) sound too cohesive, to the point that you listen to the EP while not paying any attention and it might go over your head. their voices' tone, too, which were part of the concept of "youthful girls" are too similar to each other, which makes it difficult to grasp a turning point in the song. you can have same hair, same clothes, but you shouldn't have the same voices and songs over and over.

and that's why groups like illit have debuted now with much success:

ILLIT and the depersonalization of kpop

illit is, to me, the most flagrant cases of confusion between concept and aesthetic and how kpop is shifting nowadays. of course, i have done my research: i've listened to the album, watched most of the "live" performances. and while doing so, as someone who doesn't have a clue why this group was formed (as will do the 80% of the people who first listens to illit), i thought: oh, this is new jeans.

NO, i'm not saying they are the same or they are copying the girls. it's not illit's fault, as it's not all the groups i have been mentioning (the fault is capitalism): but their debut song sounds too much like new jeans, the 2nd ep. they have the same long hair. same youthfulness. and i thought, oh, well, alright. new jeans 2, it's good. it's okay.

UNLESS! i read that they were going for the "magical" concept. truly?, really? are they... magical? they have magical appearances, fairy-like, the dresses are magical, the way they move is truly magnetic (get the pun?), but their music is not.

and that's the fault of what we've been living with the last kpop nowadays: music is concept-less. they live for the aesthetic of the music, but the music feels generic in itself. because it is not unique to what the group wants to cater. they do what's selling, and try to mask it as something original, while it is not. aesthetic is not the same as concept: someone who dresses like dark academia and brings their books to a fancy library and takes pictures doesn't mean they are living for a concept. they are living for the aesthetic because they like it, but the way they experience the aesthetic will be the same as the other people, because there is only one aesthetic.

aesthetic happens when there's empty concepts, while concepts happen when one thinks about the aesthetic, embodies it to a way of turning it over and make their own thing about it.

#kpop #bts #red velvet #blackpink #twice #exo #gidle #new jeans #stay c #illit #music thoughts #hrarby musings #do not hate me please i'm not hating on anyone!#kpop feels so empty now

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tokyokookmin · 1 year

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MY FAVOURITE JIKOOK VOCALS

I'd like to grab a chance when my new love, Letter is out. This a post dedicated to all of my favourite jikook vocals be it on or off stage. This post will highlight their "two shades of tender in a tug of war". Please be prepared to reminisce about the old jikookery days. Don't say I didn't warn you! Let's get it~~

ALSO! I am not ranking the vocals. What song comes up to my mind first grabs the top spot.

LETTER FT. JUNGKOOK

There's no official MV for this lovely song and won't likely have one as it is meant to be a hidden track. Just putting this lovely cover by Elisssa here. Check it out!

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MY UNIVERSE

Like the tweet says, their raw vocals are absolutely beautiful. Their voices hits different, you know? 😭❤️

RUN

Yes, you're hearing it right, it's not that run bts song, but the hyhh era song. My forever favourite song, run. A song that makes me so energetic whenever I feel down. It enlightens me so much. For jikook? Good lord save me! They are wild 😂.

1. Seoul Final 2019

Psst, you saw this coming, didn't you?

Yes yes, you're still hearing me rambling about my favourite moment of 2019 (I say this "favourite moment" thing for everything 😭 I just can't choose!!)

2. BTS HONG KONG 190321

This moment is so underrated. I'll be sure to create a post just for this day and song. Highlighting all the pictures.

STAY GOLD

A beautifully written song by bangtan. Soulful lyrics and heartwarming meaning.

1. BTS STAY GOLD CDTV LIVE

Stay gold outro has got to be one of my favs. Just jikook staring at each other while ending the song. Pure comfort.

2. BTS STAY GOLD LIVE

BAD DECISIONS

A super cool and hip song. Dedicated to the fans. JM's and JK's voice blend in so nicely!

FOR YOUTH

A song which never fails to capture the feelings in my heart. Forever fav. An intimate song released before the hiatus, it depicted our journey together of both army and BTS.

1. BTS FOR YOUTH LIVE COMEBACK

2. BTS FOR YOUTH KBS LIVE COMEBACK

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3. BTS FOR YOUTH TMA MUSIC AWARDS

WHO

(LAUV, FT JIMIN AND JUNGKOOK FROM BTS)

"Feeling hypnotized by the words that you say"🎶

A collaboration between Lauv and JIKOOK.

THE TRUTH UNTOLD

TTU is a song that carries a lot of emotions and it's very well executed by BTS. The vocal line surely knows how to change their mood during songs and I applaud them for their professionalism. Ok okay, but I'm still not gonna deny that jk cracked up when Jin didn't hit his note well 😭💜 (my JINKOOK heart)

Do you remember the time where they changed the lyrics from "and I still want you" to "But I still want you" while facing eachother, still not breaking their locked gazes when the lights went out?

SEOUL FINAL 2019

I lost track of the source, if anyone of you knows where it's from, please let me know! For now, enjoy their harmonious vocals!

WE DONT TALK ANYMORE PT.2

Nothing to say. Just embrace their vocals.

LIGHTS

Something about this song makes me feel it's meant for jikook. I'm not saying the lyrics but their body language here is......

RUN BTS

A MASTERPIECE.

HONNE'S "YOU COME TO ME"

Jikook's cover, ya know?

Happy 7 years to this cover~

FILM OUT

I briefly started blogging on this platform around this era. Film out contains a lot of emotions. I love the beat.

BTS SOWOZOO

2. BTS CDTV LIVE

This post was long due and it took me a long time to get all the materials. My drafts got deleted and I got upset. That's why it took a while to be redone, lol. Anyways, please enjoy and support this post since it took a really long time to get it back on track. ENJOYYY~

Sincerely, tokyokookmin.

#Youtube #jikook #koomin #kookminers #kookmin #jkkrs #jkk #mingguk #minkook #jimin bts #jungkook bts #JJK #PJM #JM #JK #jungkook jimin #bts park jimin #bts jeon jungkook

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taekooktimeline · 10 months

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July 15, 2023 (posted) -

ARMY asks Jungkook questions about “Seven” in his Spotify interview. He’s asked who the first person to hear “Seven” was and he says “Taehyungie Hyung,” with the brightest expression. I’ll never get over the Taehyungie Hyung nickname (😭), but I also want to draw attention to the fact the question asked who the first PERSON was to hear his newest song, not who the first MEMBER was. Taehyung was the first person out of everyone Jungkook knew to hear his newest solo. That’s really special and significant and shows (again) their closeness, and how they support each other in their pursuits.

He says he “played it for him first” not that he sent it to him, indicating they were together when Jungkook shared his newest song.

This is super sweet, and is another of many instances we see Taekook sharing their pursuits with each other and supporting one another. Taekook respect each other as musicians and even though the music they create is different, the first person they share it with is each other. It’s another example of how close and supportive they are.

Jk jokes that they don’t share the same taste in music. Jk’s big, bright smile after he says this is so sweet (I love his smile in general). I agree with others that he was obviously joking (and the little caption says as much). While the style of music they make is different, we know they share playlists, play the same songs in their lives, recommend the same artists and songs on their IGs (when Jk had IG) and sometimes those songs shared are from more obscure artists. Plus, my friend who is fluent in Korean posted the following:

“음악 결이 안 맞아요 (the translation missed the nuance) 결… is hard to translate

Where as It means

We have different music styles”

Jungkook is saying that they make different music and that they have different music styles as musicians. This is consistent with what we have seen and known of the two over the years with their shared playlists and recommended musicians and songs.

Jk isn’t finished talking about Tae🥰

https://twitter.com/peachesminty/status/1680762355452641281?s=46&t=StSwHjW0_Domk_lHUFMaCg

Snippet - https://twitter.com/jjklve/status/1680526364762308608?s=46&t=StSwHjW0_Domk_lHUFMaCg

Raw snippet- https://youtu.be/f6FsAbGSqNI and Tae interview https://open.spotify.com/episode/1vUeOvM2Z69G4xzsf10sVs?si=qJz-I3zfSsahKGeGpezxjw&context=spotify%3Ashow%3A35ltzomNTBi2lqCtoL4Drt

This isn’t the first time Tae has been the first person to hear Jungkook’s work. During BTS’ November 20, 2020, comeback live, Jungkook explained “Stay” was originally the last song for his mixtape, but Tae heard it and had the other members and company hear it. They listened to it in the practice room and agreed to have it on their BE album.

Recap -

https://www.tumblr.com/taekooktimeline2020/641203143698530304/november-20-2020-live

And on November 27, 2020, an interview with Weverse Magazine was released. Jungkook reiterates Taehyung heard “Stay” first and then the other members heard it.

Recap - https://www.tumblr.com/taekooktimeline2020/641203143698530304/november-20-2020-live

And on June 13, 2022, Tae went live and confirmed he heard Jungkook’s “My You” a month ago, then repeatedly praises the song.

Recap (which includes at the end a more comprehensive recap of the times Tae has hyped and praised Jk’s work) - https://www.tumblr.com/taekooktimeline2022/687452923679145984/june-13-2022

This isn’t comprehensive, but here are some examples in prior instances of Taekook sharing playlists and knowing / recommending the same artists and songs.

May 12, 2016: Taekook sing karaoke together. Tae let’s Jk pick the songs, saying he knows all of the songs he does - https://www.tumblr.com/taekooktimeline2016/624267536691757056

February 7-13, 2018: Jimin and Hobi saying Taekook share playlists - https://www.tumblr.com/taekooktimeline2018/625075227856158720

September 2019: Jk immediately recognizes Tae’s playlist - https://www.tumblr.com/taekooktimeline2019/625211123706331136/september-2019

April 11, 2023: Jk recommending “oh no, oh yes” to Tae - https://www.tumblr.com/taekooktimeline2023/718035311903588352/april-11-2023-tae-goes-live-around-215am

March 4 (Jk) and July 18 (Tae) sharing artist CHS - https://www.tumblr.com/taekooktimeline/723206835313704960/july-18-2023

#taekook #taekooktimeline #2023 #closeness #playlists #sharing #supportive

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