#but uh Bramblestar

[aphel1on]

y'ever think the other clan leaders must've been judging bramblestar HARD for being in a situationship w his deputy

[sp1resong]

thomas the rhymer

back on my warrior cats/forgetmenauts bullshit! i have a whole pmv idea for this,, it's rattling around w/ the rest of the ideas i'll never finish

[yarnclan]

I have wildly mixed feelings on Brambleclaw/star. And in a way i think hes like... one of the most fumbled characters? In that I dont think what was probably intended (given the sort of book series this is and the Protagonist roll that he fills) was achived?? But i also think that makes him an oddly compelling and tragic figure?

He's set up to be like... the next firestar. But 25% more edgy. The saviour of the clans, the cat who, despite his father, is destined to become a noble leader and carry on firestar's legacy instead. But he like... doesn't? Squirrelflight is consistantly better at being "Firestar" than he ever is. In a way that seems to really fuck with his perception of her, and thus their relationship.

I think theres an intersting thing, where a lot of the cats idolize Firestar, and just look at what he acomplished. And not really the reasons he was able to acomplish those things. (And i think this really ripples out into Sparkpelt, Greystripe, and maybe Lionblaze as well) The fact that he looked beyond their wrote set of morals to what was actually benifical for everyone. Its boiled down to "he always did the right thing". And for most of these cats the "right thing" is the Warrior Code, and clan tradition. Brambleclaw, too enchrenched in the warrior code, and too insecure to ever really risk his ambitions, is tragically unable to really seize the destiny that seems set out for him, both by StarClan (seemingly), and the authors. He's fueled to "prove" himself better than his father, to show that hes more like firestar. He wanted to be more like Firestar. But because of this socital misunderstanding of -Firestar-, and becaue of his own warped desires for power, he can't. Maybe he does see some of that in Nightheart. In the way he questions tradition and the code. He should have seen and valued it in his own deputy and mate, maybe thats what he wanted to value. But maybe she was just too close.

[worstcharacterpoll]

[Image description: A tournament bracket of 32 contenders, labeled "Tumblr's most hated." The matchups on the left are Vriska vs. Pearl from SU; Rex from Victorious vs. Rick Sanchez; Ansem the Wise vs. Gul Dukat; Kylo Ren vs. Kokichi Ouma; Scrappy Doo vs. Sheldon Cooper; Pierre from Stardew vs. Mort from Madagascar; Seraphine from League vs. Heimskr; and Jurgen Leitner vs. Andre Glacier. The matchups on the right are Walter White vs. Light Yagami; Buck Cluck vs. Ross Geller; Bramblestar vs. Starlight Glimmer; Goro Akechi vs. Pariston Hill; Katsuki Bakugo vs. Berdly; Angel Dust vs. the Impostor; Olaf from Frozen vs. Hooty; and Zenos viator Galvus vs. Tony Stark. The bracket is red on a black background. End ID]

Here is the official bracket for the most Hated Character on Tumblr! Each round will last 24 hours, with a 12 hour break in between. Round 1 should start Feb 9, 2023 at 9:00 AM CST.

As a reminder, this tournament is for the characters that you hate the most, so always vote for your least favorite of the two options. The winner will be publicly executed.

FAQ under cut:

Q: Why did you put in x character and not y character? Aren't there more hateable characters from that franchise?

A: I wanted to keep the competition light-hearted, funny, and interesting. I intentionally avoided most shitty parent characters, dictators, characters who were meant to be hated, etc., as well as characters heavily associated with bigotry and sexual assault, and gravitated towards characters that were more divisive in fandom. Exceptions were only made for characters I am familiar enough with and can use my own judgement for. Using Zenos as an example: He is a villain who is very evil and meant to be hated, which I mostly avoided when taking suggestions for things I wasn't familiar with myself. However, he's very divisive between people who think he's a good interesting villain, people who don't think he's a good villain and don't like him in the story at all, and people who want him carnally. Walter White is also meant to be hated, but he has a meme status, and as a villain protagonist I think he's more interesting than most "meant to be hated" characters. Also, there are certain franchises that I simply didn't want to include. If JK Rowling wasn't such a real and horrible political presence, owing all her influence to Harry Potter, I would've definitely put Snape on the poll. As it stands, I don't really want to give HP any attention. TL;DR answer: Because it's funnier that way

Q: But I LIKE that character :(

A: As mentioned before, I specifically gravitated more towards characters who are more divisive rather than universally hated. They are usually more interesting, and there is more variety with those types of characters - you don't have shitty dad character #1 vs. shitty dad character #2. I actually looked for "anti-(character)" tags and discourse about that character when making decisions about who to include. lol If you actually like some of these characters (uh, my condolences), vote against them in their respective matchups.

Q: Is it too late to suggest a replacement?

A: Yes.

Q: Why are you doing this?

A: I feed off of hatred and violence. I want to see who tumblr users REALLY hate.

Q: Why Pearl?

A: It was quite a while ago now so I get it if people don't remember, but Pearl discourse used to be a big thing and people argued that she was irredeemable for many of the things she did early on in the show. If you remember the "Pearl hates the Irish" meme, that was a parody of how much people hated her

Q: Why Hooty?

A: I haven't seen the Owl House but I'm told many people think he's annoying. Also he's voiced by Alex Hirsch and fuck that guy he did my boy Ford so dirty I'm still mad about this

Q: Why Starlight Glimmer?

A: MLP:FiM is another show I didn't really watch but she was a villain who got redeemed and became a main character and a lot of people think her redemption arc was rushed and botched and she actually made a lot of people quit watching the show. One of my close friends really really really hates her and I don't think that's an isolated incident

Q: Why Berdly?

A: Annoying. Personally I think his arc of becoming less annoying was pretty fun but a lot of people still hate him.

Q: Why Bakugo (instead of Mineta)?

A: I actually debated this a lot and held a preliminary poll which Mineta actually won. But then I decided democracy is dead because Mineta really wouldn't be as interesting as Bakugo in this tournament because he's basically universally hated. Bakugo is more interesting because people who hate him REALLY hate him, while people who love him REALLY love him. Kind of like Vriska. I think. I never read Homestuck and I don't plan on ever doing so.

Q: Why Tony Stark?

A: He's a heavily divisive character because he's a war profiteer billionaire with a superiority complex, but the narrative treats him as a morally pure hero. Also, he's MCU Spider-Man's mentor and most of MCU Spider-Man is basically defined by Tony Stark and he's not allowed to be his own character. There's a bunch of other stuff but I didn't watch and I don't care about most of the MCU. Personally I'm a really big Spider-Man fan and I despise him for what he did to Peter Parker but I shall refrain from making this a long rant.

Q: Why did you include characters that you're not familiar with?

A: I didn't want to exclusively have characters from my interests. I wanted a bit of variety. Before the poll started, I accepted submissions for candidates, and basically trusted submitters to send in decent characters. Some of the characters I ended up with may go against the vague guidelines I set for myself, which kind of sucks, but that's how it is now.

Q: This bracket sucks.

A: Make your own tournament then. I'm just some guy making a tournament on tumblr dot com for free. Don't take it too seriously.

[bramblewhisker]

imagine everyone in the TNP journey just piling up on brambleclaw every time they’re cold

when every warrior in the warriors den is cold they’d either pile up on cloudtail or brambleclaw but mostly cloudtail

Squirrelflight sometimes steals his fur to see if she would become warmer

sometimes alder and spark would go all the way to the leaders den just to pile up on Bramblestar as kits

same with jay, holly, and lion except they’d travel all the way to the warriors den

summary:

warrior cat instinct is when you’re cold pile up on the fluffiest warrior

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sometimes firestar would go to the warriors den, drag him all the way to the leaders den, and pile up on him when he’s cold

Ashfur would always go to the opposite side of the warriors den and pile up on brambleclaw

Squirrelflight and Ferncloud would try to pile up, but they’re both short so they’d both pile up on brambleclaw

even cloudtail would pile up on Brambleclaw because uh he just wants to be a part of a big ass mountain of warriors or brambleclaw would pile up on cloudtail for the same reason

Leafpool would pile up on mothwing

There's definitely way more cuddle piles in warriors than the books let on. I don't buy that everyone has an individual nest in the warriors den; those cats are snuggling.

[warriorcatsofficialfacts]

oh and if anyone's wondering about other roles (like medicine cats)

shadowclan has had 3 dead medicine cats, four if you count yellowfang, five if you count shadowsight, but then i would have to count bramblestar for the leader count and i didn't

thunderclan has had 4 dead medicine cats if you count yellowfang, five if you count briarlight who was basically a medicine cat in all but name.

riverclan has had uh. two.

windclan is as far as i'm aware still at literally just one.

skyclan has had one that i'm aware of

and for deputies,

thunderclan has had 4. if you count berrynose. i don't know if you count berrynose. side note other than berrynose all of these were in the first arc

shadowclan has had 4

riverclan has had uhhhh. god does it count if your deputy was literally on his way to get his nine lives. because if it doesn't riverclan has actually had 0 acting deputies die. the only one who has was reedwhisker who was on his way to get promoted. guess that's what happens when the erin's forget about you that bad

windclan technically has had 3 dead deputies, ashfoot deadfoot and mudclaw, but mudclaw was not acting deputy at the time. i don't think there Was an acting deputy at the time tho

and skyclan is also at. One. as far as i can tell

this is all main series i do not care about super editions

[exocynraku]

uh rank all the main series protagonists

aeeuugghhhyhh makin me use my brain

1: shadowsight

2: dovewing

3: frostpaw (so far at least)

4: squilf & leafpool (they are equal)

6: hollyleaf

7: firestar

8: feathertail

9: rootspring

10: sunbeam (so far at least)

11: jayfeather

12: ivypool

13: bristlefrost

14: violetshine

15: alderheart

16: twigbranch

17: tawnypelt

18: crowfeather

19: stormfur

20: lionblaze

21: bramblestar

22: nightheart (so far at least)

[boilingrain]

I had fun drawing Squirrelflight, Leafpool & Bramblestar, so guess what I'm doing again lol

Graystripe & Ravenpaw techinically don't belong here, as they're not actually main series protagonists (b/c neither of them have any POV chapters in the main series), but I didn't want Firestar to be alone

The "Someone Who Has An SE/Novella/Manga, But Isn't A Main Series Protagonist" option, if it wins, will be either just a random one or I'll have another poll specifically for that.

Also I think I said this last time, but the Frostpaw, Sunbeam & Nightheart option is one that won't contain my ramblings and headcanons because I haven't read any of ASC yet (I only recently decided "Fuck it" and stopped trying to force myself to finish AVoS, so I'm just now starting TBC)

Speaking of that, the Rootspring, Bristlefrost & Shadowsight option will probably be less headcanon and more my first impressions of the characters.

I have nothing else to say and my brain is making static noises, so uh... yeah that's it. Have fun pressing buttons, I guess.

[butterflyclan]

Mid Spring

Mintswirl froze, looming over the brown she-cat. She glared up at them, her fur bristling, but made no move to attack them. The reason for that was perfectly clear- five tiny scraps of fur squirmed at her belly, mewling for their mother's attention.

"You're- uh- DogwoodClan," Mintswirl finally blurted out. "What are you doing here?"

"None of your business," she sniffed.

"Well... it sort of is. You're on ButterflyClan territory. Are you... okay? Do you need any help?" She glared at him for several minutes more before deflating, sheathing her claws and smoothing her fur.

"I can't go back to DogwoodClan," she sighed, looking away. "Bramblestar... well, I made them mad."

"Bramblestar exiled you?" Mintswirl's eyes widened in horror.

"Oh, no! No, they didn't exile me! I left on my own. But I made them mad, and they made me mad, and I really just... don't like anyone there. I felt so alone in DogwoodClan. So I left."

There was a long quiet between them, Mintswirl standing awkwardly over her and the she-cat focusing on her kittens.

"Uh... What are their names?"

"Oh! This is Crabkit, Bubblekit, Shellkit, Basskit, and Foamkit. My father always told me stories of his time as a boat cat," she added sheepishly. "I thought this would be a nice way to remember him. I'm Kitecrash."

"Mintswirl."

𓂃 ࣪˖ ִֶָ𐀔

The ground was wet and muddy from the melted snow, but Frozenwhisker couldn't find it within himself to mind it. It was the first time since their son had been born that Parsleystar felt up to a walk, and he was making the absolute most of it. They walked in a comfortable silence, tails entwined.

"A tunnel!" Parsleystar gasped suddenly. "Do you think it's a fox hole?"

"Maybe in the past, but there's no scents around here any more," Frozenwhisker responded after a sniff. He crept into the hole, his belly low to the ground. "It's spacious!" he called back. He started to wriggle his way back out when his paws slipped on the mud. The tunnel around him started to crumble, and there was mud in his mouth and his eyes, and all he could smell was dirt, and there was so much weight on his body, oh StarClan he was trapped, and he struggled and struggled, but he could feel his struggling growing weaker, and his chest burned with the need to breathe... and all the while, he could hear Parsleystar screaming his name.

Maybe, he thought dizzily, maybe I'll even be hearing it from StarClan.

[notwarriorswiki]

Highlights from reviewing this old art book…

How did Hollyleaf have a kit with Fallen Leaves, that guy was dead 💀 He had three dead siblings - Tumblekit, Timekit, and Aurorakit. Oh yeah his name was Leafclaw because… of course he had to be named Leaf.

Why I chose boring Stonestar over Monarchpaw looking back I don’t understand. I made a Crookedstar clone who is infinitely worse.

Snowbush and Lilyheart are together, so I guess I just didn’t think about cousins back then either. He’s called Snowflight and he’s shy at first but becomes super jaded and mean when Lilypaw leaves to become a kittypet.

Oh yeah Sorreltail didn’t die in the Great Battle??? Somehow? She got shot with a GUN????? And it traumatized Lilypaw so much that she dipped out.

Seedflare continues to be the name I use for dead Seedpaw.

Smokey and Floss kits being major characters who to this day I still remember fondly. Three girls and one of them is like the murderous villain and… reincarnation of Tigerstar? Like she doesn’t look like him at all, she’s a white cat with blue eyes - but she apparently was “born when Tigerstar died” like at the same time so she’s like… cursed to be evil???

Kinkfur’s kits? Sparrowpelt, Mistcloud, and Dewkit? Yeah those ones - major characters as well? Sparrow becomes Sparrowstar, Mistshadow is a medicine cat (which inspired the choice in my 10% left AU).

Dovewing has her kits Stonekit and Monarchkit in ThunderClan where everyone thinks they’re Bumblestripe’s, including him, but they’re actually Tigerheart’s and it’s like woah woah :0 big reveal. I don’t even ship TigerDove any more

I was so heteronormative oops

Bramblestar and Squirrelflight have kits but they’re not Alderheart and Sparkpelt… because they didn’t exist in canon yet so uh. They had Hollowkit, Bloodkit, and Acornkit. Hollowpaw died, but there’s Bloodclaw and Acornleaf. Acornleaf became a perma queen.

Thornclaw and Hazeltail kits?!?! Oh no, it’s early 2000s fandom showing itself. Ugh this is where Stonestar’s love interest is who is killed off for man trauma. Rip Skywillow. They also had her brothers Shadesky and Badgertooth. Badgertooth was jealous Shadesky had friends I guess and was an evil little shit. Incel vibes.

Foxleap and Rosepetal kits - Blazestripe, Smokestep, Saplingpool, and later Ashfire and Fuzzystripe. Uhhh Blazestripe died protecting elder Ivypool (yeah it went that far…), Smokestep was blinded in one eye and was a Brightheart apprentice (because at least I did that thank god)

Evil male RiverClan medicine cat who is in love with main villain.

Indigopelt… uhhh some random WindClan cat I have no clue where she came from.

Firestar lineage kit named Firestorm who is influenced by bad guys and has a relationship with a RiverClan cat who she kills when he rejects her and their kits…

Firestorm having a brother named Opalfang (do they know what Opals are???) who is the Jayfeather med cat apprentice and falls in love with a WindClan warrior for double issues. Uhhh he gave his one kit to Firestorm to raise alongside her own because his mate died giving birth because of course.

SnowLily kit from twoleg place named Golden who joins ThunderClan and takes over after Stonestar dies. I still remember liking her a ton genuinely.

The evil cat and her evil medicine cat mate had kits and one of them is like a ball of sunshine despite being raised to kill I guess so he joins ShadowClan. Oh another one of the kits got with Goldenstar somehow?

Oh god the Lionblaze and Cinderheart kits. Oakshade and Blizzardwind, then later Cardinalfeather and…. Rainbowsplash. I hate it here.

Oh Cardinalfeather left to join WindClan and be with his grandpa Crowfeather for some reason.

Toadstep and Blossomfall kits. Hornetsting, Cottoncloud, Fawnpelt, and Turtleshell. Turtleshell ended up being evil because she was jealous of Fawnpelt because she got with Oakshade. Ugh.

Twins named Burningpaw and Drowningsong. Burningpaw died.

[the-owl-tree]

12 for the choose violence ask game!

12. the unpopular character that you actually like and why more people should like them

conceptually? sandgorse, bramblestar, lionblaze. But in execution? nah none of 'em

i'd saaaaayy closest is probably Tigerheartstar! i like his rocky start with Dovewing and how they eventually become closer because of it, I like the way he becomes irrational when his family gets hurt, and I love his interactions with Shadowsight. I feel now that there's uh some stuff going on in RC, Tiger's VERY unpopular but I think he's giving some much needed drama and i reaaaally appreciate the books aren't making him out to be some pure evil takeover villain (even if the oTHER LEADERS KEEP ACTING LIKE TIGERSTAR 1 TOOK OVER RC EVEN THO IT WAS A MUTUAL DECISION AND THAT THAT WAS THE WORST THING THAT HAPPENED AND NOT THE EXECUTIONS-)

[garfieldstar]

yeah I’m still going to go on about bramblestar and how his motives in tnp made NO FUCKING SENSE??? like you think a man that has been outcasted and felt disconnected from the rest of his clanmates for his entire life because of his evil fathers actions would be absolutely mortified and disgusted when he finds out his half brother is in contact and is learning death moves from his dictator father but uh no in fact he also starts training with him and then chickens out at the last moment when things go off the deep end then lies to everyone to get out of a punishment

[bonefall]

I feel like Petty Ashfur and Better call Mapleshade would get along, in starclan lol.

Also: Ashfur: "Cloudie, Bright we need to get the fuck outta here. Bramblestar has rabies. I ain't fucking with that shit."

If they didn't get along, it would be because Petty Ashfur realizes that BCMapleshade is several flavors Too Spicy for his comfort zone. They'd be at the like, StarClan BBQ or whatever playing a drinking game like

"So what's the worst thing YOU ever did in life?"

"Oh y'know, led my kits into a raging river because I was shaken from being exiled, so I went on a murderous rampage to exact my revenge on those who wronged me. Thankfully StarClan saw it for the justice that it was and gave me the job as their lead prosecutor~!"

(LONG PAUSE)

"ahh ok hm yeah, I was just gonna say that mine was that I was a little mean to my ex when we broke up but uh... byee"

[aaronymous999]

Not a fan of redemption Mapleshade headcanons and storylines, not because I don’t like her but because let women be evil!!

Also Mapleshade kinda read as a metaphor for parents who uh let their children die because of their own beliefs and shit. ( cough parents who refuse to vaccinate children ) so personally I really don’t like the idea of redeeming her for this very reason 😭 although I think it’s cat fantasized enough that call her a silly gal all you want or whateva

Been a lot of discussion about gender and evilness on warrior cats tumblr lately so here’s a summarized version of my takes:

-Rainflower and Crowfeather are equally awful, but don’t treat Rainflower any better because of how some fans treat Crowfeather. I don’t think Crowfeather is written particularly well but it’s also worth noting that a lot of fans like him more because well. He’s a protagonist and has a lot more content to theorize over than Rainflower who just straight up bullies her disabled child. Although you can still like Rainflower if you want, just let’s not bbygirl ify parents like Rainflower or Crowfeather.

-More Bramblestar slander on my feed PLEASEEE

-Sometimes people blame things on characters when… babe the writing is just awful. I know a character is told by the narrative to do something cool but then never actually is shown doing it, I don’t believe that’s a fault of the character I believe that’s bad writing.

-Not related to any fandom discourse actually but can we talk about how boygirl and girlboy core some of the warrior cats characters are because I have never come across this many in fiction

-I also think it’s worth noting that despite how much I really don’t like Mapleshade and Rainflower for their actions ( not as characters I actually like them as characters and the roles they fill in the story ) the actions of the male villains and antagonists in Warriors are way worse and often are not acknowledged for how awful they are and it’s good to acknowledge them but you shouldn’t try and apologize for characters who have in writing no mistake on the writers, done horrible shit. You can still like Mapleshade and Rainflower without excusing what they’ve done. Mapleshade blatantly murdered her own children due to negligence, do I like her tho? Yeah. I do.

[yuridovewing]

One thing I found frustrating about AVOS and Twigbranch returning to ThunderClan is how Bramblestar compared her clan hopping to Graystripe's. Uh, no? Graystripe willingly moved to RiverClan for his children until he was exiled by Leopardstar, Twigbranch was forcibly seperated from her only family (at the time) because you are a spineless loser Bramblestar. Come to think of it, it's pretty crazy how we're supposed to find the kit separation harrowing but still like Bramblestar afterwards, as if his kitty hands were tied and he couldn't just go 'No, Rowanstar. It would be unimaginably cruel to separate two orphaned kittens so ShadowClan can feel important.' or something.

YEAH i didnt seek out that scene in specific cause i knew it'd annoy me lmao. its all about the agency. the stigma around clan hopping isnt that hard to understand given the laws around this world and how baked into the culture it all is but its crazy to compare graystripe and twigbranch as if they had the same circumstances at ALL. like graystripe wasnt wrong to leave thunderclan, it wasnt an easy or great choice but he did it for good reasons. actually its kinda insane to be like "you dont wanna be like HIM do you? because what he did was BAD." like stop acting like him and silverstream were doing anything morally wrong.

and yeah, past book 1 they dont really even mention it. actually, bramblestar's pretty useless in avos in general. he's a total doormat here. like no wonder he didnt lose lives for the longest time, the guy has to hem and haw every time he leaves the den whether doing anything is "his business". like, even beyond twigkit getting separated from violetkit, he's just like... going with the current. whatever gets the least pushback. most of his interactions with alderheart are literally just "mmmm i dunno son, do we HAVE to?"

riveting character, cant wait for him to ditch this to be like "WE MUST KILL THE PREGNANT WOMEN AND IF YOU DISAGREE YOURE HURTING MY FEELINGS" in squirrelflight's hope

[troutfur]

as World’s Only AVoS enjoyer, i am more than welcome to offer my suggestions 👀

for me, one of the most interesting parts of avos (aside from the kin’s Murder Antics and rowanstar’s Cringefail World Tour) is the sibling dynamics between alder/twig and needle/violet. it’s interesting to see how alderheart and needletail’s influence impacts both siblings moving forward. plus twig’s relationship to alder offers a nice alternative to the series’ typical view on adoption/chosen family. even though twig loves her birth family, her HOME is in thunderclan with alderheart!!! (also, give her a different name! pretty please! twigblossom to emphasize growth/change or twigsprout to emphasize change while also emphasizing her silly/naive nature 👀)

also, as a cat with GAD, i love alderheart as a cat with GAD. i wish he had more of a character arc than just.. uh… sudden competency, but that’s what rewrites are for!!

also, re: sparkpelt: she DOES deserve to have more focus, but i have no idea what she’d be doing lolol. i like her standing in contrast to alderheart as just a straight up child prodigy. they still love each other very much but it’s even more stressful for alder, seemingly being singled out by his dad... and when spark faces troubles later on (specifically being targeted by bramblestar/impostor), this dynamic gets flipped on its head, which is very interesting to me 👀 maybe give spark the pov on the journey, then ax it later in favor of giving the thunder pov to twig? either way, alder doesn’t necessarily NEED a pov past book one…

the smartest thing to do in regards to an AVoS rewrite is to add a windclan pov in the fallout of darktail and onestar’s drama… my heart says heathertail ❤️ but there’s probably an apprentice from this generation we can give something to that might make more sense… maybe crowfeather’s featherpaw??? OH MY GOD I FORGOT THE HEATHERBREEZE BABIES. GIVE A POINT OF VIEW TO THE HEATHERBREEZE BABIES. PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE 🙏

First of all, I'M REALLY SORRY I TOOK 3 WEEKS HERE OH MY GOD!

I've been putting off answering so long partially because it's a long ask, which at times make me feel like I'm about to get yelled at and partially because uh hi? This is like the first time we interact. I think you're a really cool guy! Love your thoughts a lot and I enjoy you live reading the series!

ANYWAY, ANYWAY, onto the questions!

First of all, I have two friends at least who'd be willing to fight you on being the sole AVoS enjoyer.

Secondly, I'm digging this a lot for the stuff I'm going for! I certainly think that the back and forth in the Spark and Alder dynamic is something to touch upon. Once again I admittedly didn't make it past the halfway point in AVoS mostly because I find the guy boring but you make a good point.

I also think Twig and Violet definitely have to be a big thing. I don't think I've really gotten to where I think the meat of their arc is, but just with The Kin's stuff there's a lot I could potentially work with in regards to familial separation, the yearning for belonging, and how the way Clans conduct politics screws people over.

Now that I'm thinking about it, this seems like prime material for something to be brought up towards the back end of the arc in the reconstruction period and backfill with side content while the front part is centered on those WindClan PoVs you asked...

YES! HEATHERBREEZE BABIES! I feel like it could be a really good tie-in to the previous arc to move some of the content of Crowfeather's Trial, another book I haven't read, and what that one was attempting to do re:redeeming Breezepelt.

Smokehaze and Brindlewing could make for good contrasting perspectives storytelling as well as giving an insight into how The Kin drama is being felt on WindClan. I may also either move the epicenter of the action closer to them or do like Bones and have their takeover center WindClan directly. Also, it's good to have more female characters to balance out the roster.

I'm deliberating as to whether also to lump them in with Woodsong and Appleshine. A 4-character dynamic gets a bit complex for what should be the space of the first half of the arc, but I'm fond of large litters. Part of my motivation of brainstorming this rewrite thing is to take the most full advantage I can of writing for a species in which multiple births are the norm. And we simple have not gotten enough huge litters. I won't be at peace until I get my ridiculous 7-kit litter. Kill most of them to fading syndrome almost immediately if you must but I want them dammit!

Though on the other hand even though I'm fascinated by dynamics of multiple births and such I'm also wanting to find more opportunities to explore the other forms of siblinghood I've established in the worldbuilding and siblings with age differences between them. And while in future arcs they'd end sidelined I'm just really intrigued about the potential of Wood and Apple as side-content characters with their arc focusing in their relationship to their older sisters. Kind of similar to what I'm really itching to do with Fernsong, Sorrelstripe, and Hollytuft in the OotS-AVoS timeskip, but older siblings instead of them and the role models and parental figures in their lives.