#clarvee

[the-lampman]

POV: you're Masha's parents

Had a stupid idea at work, and of course I had to draw it XD

Been kinda getting into this ship… what would we call it, Clarveesha?

Textless version and original sketch under the read more

(what’s wrong with Vee’s neck in that sketch???)

[mdhwrites]

so I've seen it in your fics so I just wanted to ask: what was the appeal of Clarvee?

There's not really a nice way to put this: It's Lumity 5178 for the TOH fandom. It's a weird, quirky-ish girl with a bully. For the brief moment it caught the fascination of the fandom, that was essentially the pitch but with one big addition and one big drawback: It had a fuckton more angst... But now you had to write an OC.

Part of what was compelling to me as a writer was this fact that it's kind of an original form of Lumity because we know very little about Vee and we knew fucking nothing about Clara besides her having been around for many of Luz's shenanigans. We didn't even know if she was actually a bully, just that she looks like a human Amity. Meanwhile, one of the big things we know about Vee is she wasn't maybe bullied like Luz... She was tortured. Literally. She grew up in agony and managed to escape. She has baggage, to put it mildly.

But also to be blunt, the TOH fandom doesn't actually like extreme angst. No one I ever followed seemed to actually do anything with Vee. I mean, more people did comics about Amity losing it at Hunter over Eclipse Lake than ANYONE ever did about the fact that Hunter probably was involved in Vee's torture as the emperor's right hand. Bare minimum, A Golden Guard had probably participated in it. The fandom likes the angst they put on the characters that reflects their own traumas and problems but engaging with actual fantasy issues and the like never really seemed to be as big of a part of it, bare minimum by the point of S2B. And that is important because you honestly already by then saw a lot less comics, WAY less animatics and just less more extreme output from most creatives in regards to TOH.

The other half of the problem is that the fandom had done so much Lumity already, including Boschlow which was already a Lumity clone, that even before it was canonical, a lot more people gravitated towards Veesha. After all, Masha is a goth, spunky, weird but also genuinely feminine and a teen and just overall a nice character that is already close to Vee. There's also more of an overt betrayal angle from confessing what Vee is that can mirror allegories to the LGBTQIA+ experience... With the plus side that Masha would be more likely to go "Would" to it than Clara would.

It was a blip of a trend for the fandom and if you actually read that work, you can tell that a lot of the inspiration came from being able to do whatever the fuck I wanted with Clara. That is was, even accidentally, a bit of me flexing my original writing skills as I did a lot of interesting stuff with how she views the world. I don't think Vee ever got a solo chapter, and probably stopped around the time it might have happened, because I just didn't find, nor even now, find Vee all that compelling.

But also Clarvee was also me coping for the fact that the end of Yesterday's Lie left a godawful taste in my mouth from its no win cliffhanger, which I fucking called wouldn't be actually followed up on or enforced by Camila. It was me trying to still love this and have the same passion I did... And well, a year later I'd be essentially done writing for TOH.

So much for that. See you next tale.

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[kanarii-91]

s-so.. uhhhhhh... this crackship huh *runs*

[quaggyday]

Clara 🤝 Caleb

Being two characters who only have a few seconds of content and don’t even speak but end up becoming cult fandom favourites

[comet-comic]

So I heard about this ship recently...

- Mike

[strawbabeysavvy]

clarvee!! 💞💚

[captainlion04]

vee has a little crush...

[ladysunamireads]

Where the Darkness Turns into Light

Where the Darkness Turns Into Light by the sentient duck

This is my new repository for Owl House one-shots! There's lots of Lumity, Huntlow, Clarvee, feels, fluff, angst, and probably a shit ton of internalized ableism (they do say write what you know, right?) ahead. I am not taking requests at the present time. Unless explicitly stated otherwise, these one shots all stand on their own and not in the continuity of other fics I've written.

Chapter One summary: In the aftermath of being kissed on the cheek by Amity, Luz is certain Amity hates her forever. Oh, and also, a mad scientist has kidnapped her. It's really not her week.

Words: 3828, Chapters: 1/?, Language: English

Fandoms: The Owl House (Cartoon)

Rating: Teen And Up Audiences

Warnings: Creator Chose Not To Use Archive Warnings

Categories: F/F, F/M, Gen

Characters: Luz Noceda, Edric Blight, Emira Blight

Relationships: Amity Blight/Luz Noceda, Hunter | The Golden Guard/Willow Park, Blonde Cheerleader (The Owl House: A Lying Witch and a Warden)/Vee, Edric Blight & Emira Blight & Luz Noceda

Additional Tags: One Shot Collection, Internalized Homophobia, internalized ableism, Oblivious Luz Noceda, Homophobic Language

Read Here: https://archiveofourown.org/works/41369199

[ordinaryschmuck]

Hello!

I love your oneshot Owl House series on Ao3! I have a suggestion, if you'd be willing? I've really been getting into the 'Clarvee' ship (Vee and the human cheerleader who the internet seemingly has collectively dubbed Clara) and I thought it might be cute if you did a fic of them meeting Luz and Amity, maybe perhaps going on a double date?

Thank you!

Double Date Disaster

Clara smoothed out the skirt in her dress as she waited by the entrance to the restaurant. She's never been nervous in her life. But after learning that Luz--Er, Vee--was this cool, responsible, and caring person, Clara started feeling a lot more butterflies in her stomach.

Magic-eating basilisk or not, the other girl found a place in the cheerleader's heart, and she wasn't willing to let go.

"Clara!" an all-too-familiar voice shouted, making Clara's cheeks light-up red. Looking left, she saw Vee walking over, wearing a teal dress shirt and dark jeans. Just the sight of Clara's girlfriend made her heart flutter.

"Hey, Vee!" Clara smiled as she pulled Vee in for a hug.

"You ready for this?" Vee asked after pulling away.

"It feels a little weird, to be honest. I mean, the last time I met Luz--The real Luz--I hadn't treated her very well."

"It's ok. Luz doesn't hold a grudge. Or, at least, I don't think she does. She seems too nice to hate anybody for too long."

"...I never said I was afraid she'd hate me, Vee."

"Clara, you're going to be fine," Vee reassured, grabbing her girlfriend by the shoulders, "Luz was the one who suggested the double date, remember. I'm sure the way you acted is water under the bridge to her."

"Are you sure?"

"I'm positive. Besides, if there's anything to worry about, it's how mushy Luz will be with her date."

"Why is that so bad?" Clara asked with a tilt to her head.

"You'll see when you meet them. Speaking of which, there they are now."

Vee pointed over Clara's shoulder, and Clara turned to see that Luz and a girl with lavender hair were walking over to her and Vee, hand in hand. Luz was in a mauve polo shirt and jeans while the girl next to her wore a thin dress of the same color.

"Hi, Vee!" Luz waved, "Hey, Clara. It's been a while."

"Uh, yeah, it has," Clara nodded before extending a hand to the other girl. "You must be Luz's girlfriend. Amity, right? It's nice to meet you."

But Amity didn't shake the hand offered to her. Instead, she stared right at Clara with a warning look in her eyes.

"Luz told me a lot about you," Amity said, "Even the bad stuff."

"Amity," Luz gave her girlfriend a reassuring squeeze on the shoulders, "Be nice."

"I'm just looking out for you."

"And that's very sweet, Lemondrop. But it's also very unnecessary. Vee says Clara's nice. And I trust Vee. So don't be as scary as you usually are, ok?"

"...Fine," Amity took Clara's hand and shook it, "Nice to meet you."

"Uh, thanks," Clara said, taking her hand back as fast as possible.

"Now, let's head on inside," Luz announced, "Because this girl is hungry."

Linking an arm around Amity's, Luz led her girlfriend inside the restaurant while Clara and Vee stayed behind.

"That girl is...intense," Clara noted.

"Give it a couple minutes," Vee told her, "Trust me."

"What does that even mean?"

***

"Another forkful of pasta for my Shmoopsie Poodle," Luz cooed, feeding a lovestruck Amity a fork of her own spaghetti.

"And a forkful for you, my Oopsie Doodle," Amity cooed back as she fed Luz her spaghetti too.

"...wow," was all Clara could think of to say as she watched the sickeningly sweet couple before her.

"Told you," Vee prodded Clara with an elbow. "These two are going to be in their own little world for the next few minutes that they'll hardly notice us."

"Meaning that there's nothing to worry about."

"Exactly. This double-date is more or less to stop Luz from pestering me about doing one."

"Well, at least they're sweet together."

"Yeah, that's true."

"I love you, Love Muffin," Luz said, giving Amity a kiss.

"I love you too, Snickerdoodle," Amity kissed back.

"...Still gross, though," Clara cringed.

"Oh, yeah, no doubt," Vee nodded.

"I would've honestly preferred awkwardness over this."

"Same here."

[magical-grrrl-mavis]

I feel like Clara (Blonde Cheerleader From Episode 1) is the Owl House equivalent of Daphne Greengrass. A character that was barely even mentioned at like one point and is thus a total blank slate that the fandom just turned into a real character. And I love it. And Clarvee is amazing.

[achillesmonochrome]

Now you (don’t) see me

Series: What are you doing here, Marilyn?

Chapter: 8

Link: Ao3

Pairing: Past! Camila Noceda/Eda Clawthorne, Raine Whispers/Eda Clawthorne. Blonde Cheerleader/Vee Noceda.

Fandom: The Owl House

Genre: Hurt/Comfort, Angst

Summary: Camila has thought nothing would surprise her after learning magic is real, her biological daughter is in another dimension, and deciding to adopt a basilisk.

Seeing her ex again had somehow slipped her list of possibilities though.

…

Or What if Eda and Raine came with the Hexsquad to the human world?

[mdhwrites]

Are there any characters in toh that you felt they should have never been created?

Or characters that you think would had better the plot, or move the plot forward if they had more focus?

Personally, I think Vee is just there and her existence didn't serve much, her screen time could've been used for smth else.

So the first part of this is… interesting to me. It's incredibly hard to ever say a character should never have been created unless A: them simply existence causes problems with the rest of the canon and the story itself or B: you know their inclusion was doomed from the start. This second one is really hard to be able to clarify though unless you have behind the scenes information and the like because unless they were made to be fridged or be offensive, etc. like that, there are few concepts that are bad from the get go.

With that said, The Collector easily should not have been in the show. There just wasn't time for him or the human realm and S3 has been very clearly struggling with those facts. Since he was also introduced in S2B, it's known that he was made after the shortening was very clear to the crew and they should have cut him and focused on Belos, especially since Belos is the big bad anyways.

The second question just gets responded to with: Raine. Raine and Darius. Honestly, just the coven head rebels in general should have probably gotten an entire episode actually dedicated to them that could have helped sell the threat, give them more personality as an organization rather than feeling like they exist to get around tropes or/and Raeda angst, etc. like that. Then again, quite frankly, with how little they've actually done with Raine outside of "ISN'T IT TRAGIC HOW EDA CAN'T BE WITH HER LONG LOST, TRUE LOVE!?", Raine as a character and their plotline probably could have been cut but it was something Dana wanted from the start of the show and S2A would have mostly not been affected by the shortening so they could have possibly had more of a role. Then again, they were also made to be Eda's long lost love so…

And finally Vee. Vee is… complicated. Honestly, it's hard to talk about Vee without talking about her episode, Yesterday's Lie. After all, maybe there were plans to do more properly with her (and she easily would have had the most interesting part of a season on Earth because of having to give up the identity that made her friends and have a place in the world back to Luz, if that was actually discussed of course) but as is… She's mostly just the one episode and looking cute. Worse yet, almost all the narrative goals are tied to Vee so their triumphs and successes are also tied to her.

Now let me get this out of the way: I like Vee. I think she's incredibly likable, cute, etc. like that. She (and the ClarVee ship) was probably the only reason I wrote anything immediately after Yesterday's Lie's ending left a bad taste in my mouth because it rubbed me the wrong way even on first watch. Her backstory is compelling, explains how she can be shy but also have a backbone when the chips are down and her limited interactions with her friends is incredibly charming, even before the MashVee ship existed.

And I'm not going to argue she shouldn't have existed. Character built for a single episode are fine. TOH actually has a paradox going on that while some characters desperately needed more exploration, like Amity, others very clearly should have been cut sooner rather than later. I mean, what could have been done had they just not spent two episodes of S2 on Gus when Gus isn't important to the narrative in any way and Hexide stopped being relevant to the show after S1? How much did we have to have Huntlow if it meant that Luz, who is one there for Hunter's biggest character moments, literally never speaks to him between Hunting Palisman and Hollow Mind?

But Vee was built for specific narrative purposes and does them well. Quite frankly… Too well. To the point where it creates problems. But that has to do with the narrative goals of Yesterday's Lie rather than Vee herself. The two just interlinked because when you make a character for a single episode, you know their narrative goals and how organically and well they function with those goals is part of evaluating the character.

And the narrative goals of Yesterday's Lie seems to be to have:

A: Given an answer to why no one was freaking out about a child going missing for MONTHS and it does this one quite well just by Vee being a shapeshifter.

B: Criticize Luz and whether or not she actually had any reason to leave which is the one Vee interacts with the most and is also the biggest problem to.

C: To build Camila's character, establish her unending well of understanding since she never judges Vee for even a second, nor Luz's story about the Isles, and then end on a mid-season cliffhanger I have SEVERE issues with but is outside the scope of this blog.

Vee's goals thus are to be able to fill Luz's shoes, which she does naturally, be able to scold Luz about her life and to be able to contrast hard enough against the norm as to make Camila's sympathy shine through. Her slug form and her ability to shapeshift honestly fit two of these three really well by themselves. It was a genuinely elegant and clever concept/implementation that was good for what they wanted.

But then there's Vee's actual character and actions that play into B. And B is… A lot.

Because this is the episode that caused me to turn on Luz in my heart.

It wasn't immediate but there's one line from Luz that really sums up the fact that you have to trust Luz in order to not entirely agree with Vee in this episode. That you have to go off of only Luz's words and not her actions for what her backstory was like. To be able to believe Gus and Willow were the first chances at having friends. That no one ever understood her. That school was always a nightmare for her.

And that line is "Oh no, highschoolers," because that is the second time Luz quite literally ever has that response to ANYONE. In the ENTIRE show. She didn't have any worries about meeting kids in Hexide. She never had worries about trying to hang out with Amity despite Amity clearly hating her. She didn't worry about Amity's siblings, the various villains she met, Eda, King, etc. In general, Luz shows NO signs of social anxiety or any sort of manifestation of trauma in regards to bullying, rejection, etc. like that.

Worse yet is who these people are. They are quickly characterized as atypical people with nerdy interests and chill personalities. They'd be in the anime club or the role playing club or the video game club at school. They are by all intents and purposes, people like Luz. Nerds. Outcasts. Etc. like that. People Luz could have easily befriended. I mean, Vee did and she knows nothing about human society.

Yes, the two also have drastically different personalities but also Masha likes giving tarot readings to her friends. I feel like Luz's passion would just mix and amplify Masha's own passion and the two would literally go hunt monsters together while Vee makes sure they don't do anything stupid. Luz could go on a rant about her philosophies on magic and the faux stoner dude would be enraptured by how wild and imaginative Luz could be.

And this all begs the question of WHY didn't Luz have friends?

Well… Her opening montage, the first real introduction to the character, kind of explains it but not kindle. After all, two of the three events we're shown, and VERY much so her presentations and projects, are about getting attention. About making sure she does something big enough that people consider her contribution the best, regardless of those around her. So she can't match a cheerleader physically? Call that nothing and show a weird trick you know. Wants to make sure people talk about her performance in the play? Opening night, do something that you didn't clear with your director and catches everyone off guard, even if it means going off script and possibly ruining the play.

Even worse is the clubs she IS joining there. After all, why isn't Luz a part of the anime club or something? Or a part of a book club back home? Well… Cheerleaders and actors are more popular. They get more attention. They're special. Nerds, outcasts, etc. I mean… Who wants to interact with those when it means people might look down on you?

And the final nail is that she does finally accept outcasts… So long as they have magic. And the closer she gets to Amity, the less she interacts with Willow or Gus, to the point where they spend close to zero time in Season 2. And why wouldn't Luz want to be with the popular witch instead of people who were only special by having magic in general?

Do I think this interpretation is intentional? No. Vee's friendships were merely to try and add a bit of gray into what was black and white. However, how Luz was introduced wasn't given enough thought to make such pointed questions work. Not when you're forcing the audience to ask these questions with Vee shouting "YOU HAD IT GOOD!"

So how good did Luz have it? Well, there were fellow outcasts in her own town, which appears to be pretty small, so she could have had friends and her mom is a literal saint. S3 would only reinforce this. And she still abandoned it all for three months so she could become a witch.

So… Sorry, but the statement of "If everyone you meet is an asshole, the asshole might be you," does fit sometimes. And it fits for Luz here.

And it's also the worst part of Vee because if Vee didn't exist… I might not have considered these problems. Not so quickly. But Vee being able to contrast Luz, to be successful in the human realm simply because she's willing to actually accept those around her and bend a little, not entirely, to what will make them like her, was one of her narrative goals. One of the reasons she is as she is.

And another time where TOH thinks it's being clever when it's really just shooting itself in the foot because it has never been smart enough to ask the questions it proposes. And it sucks that that's tied to a character who is so wonderfully likable otherwise.

[achillesmonochrome]

If you could see it from my point of view

Series: What are you doing here, Marilyn?

Chapter: 13

Link: Ao3

Pairing: Past! Camila Noceda/Eda Clawthorne, Raine Whispers/Eda Clawthorne. Blonde Cheerleader/Vee Noceda.

Fandom: The Owl House

Genre: Hurt/Comfort, Angst, Drama, romance.

Summary: Camila has thought nothing would surprise her after learning magic is real, her biological daughter is in another dimension, and deciding to adopt a basilisk. Seeing her ex again had somehow slipped her list of possibilities though. … Or What if Eda and Raine came with the Hexsquad to the human world?