#cornald maas

[rhaenella]

Cornald Maas (Dutch commentator) tonight 🧡 Couldn’t have said it better myself

[harrylovesspaezle]

the dutch presenter for eurovision just said on live tv "Fuck the EBU"

king behavior. boycott that shit

[justanotherslytheriin]

"Fuck the EBU."

- Cornald Maas, dutch ESC commentator

[arc-en-disco]

I don't care what anyone says, I am shipping Cornald Maas and Joost Klein and I might write some fic too

[sugdenlovesdingle]

"fouten maken mag, dat weet de EBU als geen ander"

Cornald! 😂

[jammeke]

[dwalendinhetniets]

Andrew Lloyd Webber in eurovision????

[nelsonakis]

Cornald Maas, the Dutch commentator who is also part of the Dutch delegation just said "Fuck the EBU" on Dutch television

[rainbowplane]

This isnt fully confirmed, but Cornald Maas (Dutch commentator) has stated that he heard the "threatening gesture" was Joost pushing down the camera after the whole repeatedly being filmed when he explicitly asked them not to thing.

Personally I think that's just a basic logical response. You asked em not to do something, they don't listen, so you take care of it yourself without hurting anyone.

Also they're only still showing the eurovision on their channel due to contractual obligations. They be pissed...

[monsterouscookie]

Joost update:

According to dutch media Joost has now officially been disqualified.

They are saying the reason is that joost is being accused of threatening a female tv-worker. He has not yet been sentenced with actually doing it.

This is why the Avotros (dutch delegation) does not agree with the disqualification. Dutch media says it is because EBU is strict with Me2 and all that stuff.

According to Cornald Maas (the dutch presentor) the incident has nothing to do with Israel and the incident itself is "fairly small"

Frisian media says they are trying to get Joost back to Leeuwarden, where a huge party was planned to celebrate Joost (as the first ever Frisian) at eurovision.

[schildpadkneus]

Since there is a lot of misinformation when it comes to the "incident" that got Joost Klein disqualified I figured I'd put a post out with information from actual news outlets and not speculations from social media users.

If you are too lazy to read everything, here's a summary of everything I've been able to find:

After his performance in the semi finale, Joost was filmed despite agreements he wouldn't be.

The camera woman did not listen when he asked her to stop several times.

Joost got angry and made the camera woman in question feel so threatened the police was called on Joost.

Despite what fans think, it was confirmed by Dutch commentator Cornald Maas that the Israeli act and their delegation were not involved. I understand the frustration with their participation and I ranted about their disgusting behaviour at Eurovision here, but they were not involved with this incident.

He did not hit or even touch the woman involved.

Nor did she make any remarks about his parents.

STOP SPREADING MISINFORMATION.

Continue to read for more details.

Edited only for later addition (as indicated) and slightly changed the wording because I was rambling in the initial post.

According to Avrotros (the Dutch broadcaster of Eurovision), Joost had made a threatening motion towards the woman.

According to the Swedish Aftonbladet, multiple witnesses say he behaved very aggressively and damaged/broke(?) the camera.

The rest of this will be speculating. Hopefully as unbiased as possible.

Based on other interviews and discussions about the incident in Dutch media, it sounds like Joost was probably just very overwhelmed. It is reasonable to think the artists are under a lot of pressure to perform well, and it's fair to conclude the controversy of Israel's participation has only added to artists' frustration and the pressure. Add the whole aspect of this being Joost's childhood dream and the passing of his parents and the fact he had already complained about the many many rules of eurovision and you get this explosion of emotions and frustrations. Apparently he also gets very emotional during the outro, and I imagine such a performance does come with loads of adrenaline.

Considering that nice little cocktail of stress, frustrations, emotions and adrenaline, it is likely he just snapped. He was already on the edge, and then the employee filmed him when he didn't want to be filmed and didn't back off when he asked her to, so he did something stupid and irrational.

That is a human response, I don't think he's a bad person for that, I just think he did something stupid in the heat of the moment. If it was something really bad he would've been arrested and locked up, so I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. That does not mean he should go unpunished, however.

Whatever he did, he made this photographer/camera woman (sources alternate between which one it was) feel so threatened the police got involved. I trust this judgement.

Don't get me wrong, I do think she should have stopped filming when she was asked, but we don't know the full story here. She could have misunderstood the situation, maybe she was unaware of the agreement she should not have been filming him, maybe it was just a stupid mistake.

Regardless of what truly happened, I hope we can all agree both were in the wrong but both have also been punished enough now.

The employee in question should not have been filming in the first place and stopped when asked.

Joost should not have done whatever it was he did.

For the love of god, please stop meddling in situations we know virtually nothing about and definitely stop taking sides. It is never ok to wish horrible things upon anyone.

We don't know what happened and chances are we will never fully know. We don't even know any of these people, we don't know what they are like, we only have little bits and pieces.

I also really want to know but it's not that difficult to just shut up and not say anything in favour of or against anyone until we have more details. You can condemn people for their actions but not when we don't even know what those actions were.

They both should have been punished and they both were.

A bunch of you should have been punished for the vile things I've seen you spout about Joost or this poor woman.

Basic fucking decency and common sense is not that difficult.

Later addition: (I've calmed down a bit)

I posted this about an hour ago but I want to add I do support Joost and feel bad for him but if it is true he punched and broke a camera it disqualification was not an unreasonable punishment. The awful rumours were just an unnecessary kick in the stomach.

If it turns out he did not damage the camera I will happily eat my words.

It is a pity he did not perform in the grand finale considering the huge potential it had but we can't excuse that behaviour. I hope he learns from this situation enough to prevent himself from getting in more trouble.

This does not mean I support the ebu btw <3 fuck the ebu

[vogelmeister]

anyways when joost klein eventually makes a song sampling the “fuck de ebu” from cornald maas,,, then what???

[eurovision-facts]

Eurovision Fact #639:

Joost Klein has been disqualified from the Eurovision Song Contest following an "incident" with a female member of the production crew. This is the first time that a contestant has been disqualified during the competition. Klein's disqualification happened only hours before the Grand Final was to begin.

According to AVROTROS, the incident was as follows:

"An incident occurred after last Thursday's performance. Against clearly made agreements, Joost was filmed when he had just gotten off stage and had to rush to the greenroom. At that moment, Joost repeatedly indicated that he did not want to be filmed. This wasn't respected. This led to a threatening movement from Joost towards the camera. Joost did not touch the camera woman. This incident was reported, followed by an investigation by the EBU and police."

Prior to his disqualification, Klein was not allowed to participate during rehearsals or the jury show, and instead footage of his semi-final performance was shown. Additionally, the Rest of the World vote was delayed heavily as the EBU was deciding what to do about the situation.

Spokespersons for NPO, the Dutch broadcaster, "considers this a very drastic decision." Moreover, Cornald Maas, Dutch Eurovision commentator since 2004, has called the EBU's response to the events "Disproportionate and very drastic."

The Netherlands will still share their votes for the Grand Final.

[Sources]

Live Songfestival | Nederland deelt vanavond 'gewoon' punten uit, Albanië steunt Joost, nu.nl.

Statement on Dutch participation in the Eurovision Song Contest, Eurovision.tv.

"Joost Klein from the Netherlands disqualified from Eurovision 2024," Eurovisionworld.com.

[i-simp-to-much]

Cornald Maas: Fuck de EBU

Here is the video of Dutch commentator Cornald Maas saying "Fuck the ebu" on (live?) television, if anyone wants to watch it.

[dontdropthatthunthunthun]

This is what they call a political game - Cornald Maas

[nights-are-better]

in the words of Cornald Maas, the Dutch commentator, FUCK THE EBU