#dw negativity

[ssaalexblake]

Why is 13's regen abt a white dude and why is 15's regen abt a white dude when do we get rid of that white man that just Cannot let other people have their own moments I swear this is so old, like really, it's a tale as old as time where white dudes are the center of the narrative and universe and everyone caters to them, and I'm so bored of it being celebrated. It's not innovative, it's not new, it's not brave.

[doccywhomst]

About your last post.

I understand because I too used to throw every bit of 13 criticism into the right wing bin. It is only recently that I started to accept that some criticism of that era were reasonable. It was this video by verilybitchie about the women in Doctor Who that made me do a 180.

I think the insular nature of fandoms and the way the DW fandom is scattered around and formed by VERY different kind of fans only worsen the situation. It’s hard to know how good intentioned someone is when there’s a part of the fandom actively sabotaging the show since 2004.

(referencing this post) it was a video essay that changed my mind as well - i was super resistant going into it, but as i watched, i realized that i didn’t actually object to anything being said, only the idea of something i love being criticized. i felt sick to my stomach because the longer i watched, the more i realized they were right, i couldn’t defend my viewpoint, and i knew i wouldn’t be able to unsee the flaws in thirteen’s writing.

since then, i’ve also pulled my own 180° - i went from not tolerating criticism (because i thought it was all in bad faith) to openly and thoroughly criticizing doctor who, explicitly because i love it. it’s my favorite thing in the world and i shouldn’t have to lower my standards to enjoy it. the flux was what nailed the coffin shut for me, i couldn’t believe how sloppy the plot felt…. it went nowhere and many of its consequences went unresolved.

all of this is to say, i’ll always love thirteen and there’s a home in my heart for her, but honestly, the criticism is valid. she deserved better. i hope jodie works with big finish to make audios worthy of her effort and skill, because i know we all want the best for her! and i would LOVE for thirteen to have many years of terrific audio series :)))

[mulderscully]

this fourteenth doctor shit is soooo ridiculously stupid and redundant and cheap and i did not believe rtd could write something so deeply disrespectful to jodie and to ncuti, to every companion after donna and to everything he himself did with journey's end. i absolutely hate it.

[grandadtwelve]

i really don’t get how david coming back is shade on jodie or ncuti in any way. yes it’s a little fanservice-y and self absorbed on rtds part to bring his most popular doctor back but like, it’s not like david is encroaching on anyone else’s era. jodie’s gone, her story ended, can’t wait to see her in multi-doctor eps for future anniversaries and such! and david is going to be in three little specials before ncutis actual season starts! cool!

i just don’t understand how this is different from any other goofy little fanservice-y anniversary special thing

also, if this raises ratings so that more ppl watch ncutis era, isn’t that good? not everyone stopped watching bc they’re misogynistic trolls, some ppl just didn’t like the writing. i totally get why the showrunners would do something slightly unusual (and I say slightly bc we literally had a bunch of classic who actors come back last episode so) to draw them back in!

(i am with y’all abt the ‘david is not fourteen’ thing. that’s dumb as hell)

[sygzie]

i’m just fucking BAFFLED that the guy who created the journey’s end ending (which i’ve always thought made the s1-4 storyline THE most beautifully crafted thing ever) just completely disregarded the whole thing? the audacity to call that the one adventure he’s never had when that was the line used to foreshadow tentoo’s ending with rose. an ending which was made to juxtapose time lord ten’s ending because those two simultaneous truths are (were?) genuinely the entire point of rtd1 era to me. but watching the special made it feel like those things that to me were so important never even happened and i’m honestly confused

[doctorwhoisadhd]

actually one more thing im gonna be a hater about. i love rose tyler as a character as much as the next person but for real. Rtd needs to let the fuck go of rose tyler bc hes basically just as bad as 10 at this point. donnas daughter will never really get to be her own character cause shes always just gonna be overshadowed by the other rose. AND its really fucking stupid that she named herself after the doctors ex considering she's like. partially doctordonna... like thats really fucking weird. basically what hes done by naming her rose is 1) create SO MUCH unnecessary confusion, 2) make this trans character NOT truly her own person and secondary to a cis character that is ALREADY focused on so much, and 3) make YET ANOTHER black woman character secondary to rose tyler my god!!!

[thebraxiatelcollection]

Is anybody else's relationship with Doctor Who currently all over the place like a rollercoaster at the moment, or is it just me?

I do love this show and what it has done to me and the friends and opportunities I've had through it and I will always be thankful for it making the person I am today, but I just feel like the last few years it has not been as it should be in terms of writing and quality control? I don't know how else to describe it.

I have been doing my best to completely ignore the bits of Doctor Who that I don't like and focus on the areas that I do like, and I really want to get back into the expanded universe / classic series again, I think.

I've taken a step back from the fandom recently and been trying to dive into other stuff, but maybe I should try and just pick up a random doctor who books or audios to get me into the spirit of things again.

[bisexualbailorgana]

gonna be a hater for 2 seconds but truly i wish they'd never brought back the 10th doctor because it meant they were holding back this gem of an episode and thus ncuti's era as a whole. truly it felt like the show ground to a halt for a second and was too cowardly to go boldly & confidently into the new era. gonna try and forget it ever happened even though it seems like the show won't. but anyways live laugh love ncuti gatwa

[sprnklersplashes]

and maybe this is just me being petty af but cloning the tardis really didn't sit right with me. like its a small thing but we've just established season after season and even in these specials that the tardis is more than a spaceship, she's a sentient being and the doctor's oldest and most dear friend and companion, the one who always watches out for them, its her and them against the universe, and the show just going BONK here's an exact other with little more than a whispered "sorry" like... yeah it just doesn't sit right.

russell go rewatch the doctor's wife (2011)

[bronzeagepizzeria]

As a ten tragedy enjoyer I feel like I’ve been stabbed in the gut several times

[paarthursass]

i have lots of issues w chibnall's run but one of my biggest is that thirteen wasn't batshit enough. she was quirky but in a cute in an endearing way. where's the mad scientist. where's the war criminal lurking beneath the surface. it's like chibnall went "oh the doctor's a woman now so she's no longer arrogant and manipulative and holding herself back from committing atrocities" that's so boring.

[akindersea]

I enjoyed the 60th anniversary the same way I enjoy AU fanfic

[tea-earl-grey]

there's nothing that will ever stop me from watching doctor who but jesus christ they're trying to make me.

[mulderscully]

i kinda also have negative dw feelings but i would looooove to hear yours

it's complicated because a lot of my feelings turned sour over a leak for the last special and that's ruined my enjoyment of the other two.

but basically: i don't like donna getting her memories back. I KNOW this is the most unpopular opinion of all time, but the more i sit with it the more i know it's how i feel.

i didn't always feel this way, but i love the trajedy of donna's ending. i love that it was hard and painful for both of them.

i always assumed she would get her memories back temporarily and then CHOOSE to lose them again because she has found meaning outside of the doctor. but to see that she is still in that same mental space is really a downer, and to me it feels like... donna clearly has some serious mental health struggles that just cannot be "oh, she's happy when she's with the doctor!" because what sort of message does that send?

one things i love abt rtd era is the the focus on family, and we saw a glimpse of that in the first special, only for it to be ripped away and have her and fourteen thrown into some insane plot for the second special, which is such a strange decision to me just because this is an anniversary special! as a standalone, great! but as an episode that is supposed to celebrate 60 years it's like.... ok?

i also just feel like there is too much disconnect for me. fourteen is written in a way that doesn't make much sense to me. it feels like he's written like... ten but more emotional? not like this was JUST the thirteenth doctor. it feels like a reversion that doesn't feel honest or earned at all? thirteen was closed off too! and it's odd for him to be suprised about certain behaviors that are "new" when they're absolutely not to the doctor. eleven was a VERY touchy feely doctor for a thousand years. this isn't new to him, but it would be to TEN and it feels like rtd can't let go of writing fourteen as ten in this regard.

and my issue is also just the fandom. i love the tenth doctor. i love his pain, his repression, his intensity. so people saying fourteen is "ten but better." or whatever is just confirming that people never actually understood or loved ten for who he was, and that's making me sad since he is the most popular doctor there is in new who.

and it's like... no matter what this gonna change how people see ten. how they see his era and his regeneration as well and that bums me out. i love specials ten, i LOVE i don't want to go. and while all of that still happened, it somehow feels cheapened to me now :|

this would all work if rtd has used what he already had: the metacrisis doctor, instead of having david be the doctor three times. not bc i'm a tenroorose girlie but bc then everything wouldve stayed in tact. and having cameos from rose and maybe martha as well would've felt more like an ode to what made his era so strong and revived the show in the first place.

idk this is messy and i'm still sorting it out but i feel a little bit churny abt it and not rly in a positive way because in his book rtd was soooo proud of how he ended s4 that the last thing i expected was for it all to be undone with a wave of the hand and without delving much into the life donna has made for herself and/or focusing on the people the doctor has ADORED in the time since as if he didn't have a downright manic devotion to clara.

[thirddoctor]

genuinely don’t know if I will ever rewatch a single episode of Thirteen’s era. I think I will let time and my terrible memory slowly erase them from my mind

[jettison-my-gift]

So wait. The explanation as to why 10s face came back was because he desperately needed a rest and he was subconsciously seeking out Donna (Donna! Arguably the least restful friend he’s ever had) to settle down with? But like he only knew Donna for a couple of years, thousands of years ago. From the Doctor’s point of view they knew Amy, Rory, and River for centuries… but Donna is still more important to the current Doctor? Really?