#fire devil csm

[pockethep]

The Fire Devil

One thing I love about the devils in Chainsaw man part 2 is how creative they've gotten. Everything with the Falling devil and now with the Fire Devil.

It's such a clever misdirect cause not only is about how the chainsaw man church spread but also passion and desire. Fire spreads astonishingly a fast just like how the CSM Church spread to Canada and China and most of Japan. It's also the desire and passion to fight for chainsaw man, although this has twisted into the absolute maximum. As the numbers grow, the battle is only gonna get more intense. And its spreading given the amount of fuel (contracts).

It's so much more than physical fire.

Also, theory for the handful of people who read Fire Punch.

Seigi Akoku, one of the named members of the Devil Hunting club at school and one of the students trapped in the aquarium, is my top pick for the fire devil. Seigi means "righteousness" or "justice", with the justice devil being revealed in 146 to be the fire devil not only that, Yuko said that the Justice Devil was at their school and Yuko also burned her neighbor during Chapter 106: Bonfire.

This is beyond a stretch but Agni (Fire Punch) and Seigi look very similar (even missing the same right eye). This also wouldn't be the first time Fujimoto put a reference from another of his works in (I.E. Nayuta coming from Yogen no Nayuta)

[believeinspeev]

Would be so rad if the fire devil fought. Maybe they could dish out, like, a fire punch.

[noven-warsh]

another fem devil design lets goooo

[benk52]

🔥Fire devil🔥

[aszles]

guys the death devil design leaked

(ok but it is weird that no one in csm looks like luna yet)

[sugar-grigri]

Nayuta must become the big sister

I think what's especially interesting to note in chapter 154 is Nayuta's failure to use the right tactics.

Denji raised Nayuta correctly, emphasizing going to school, trying to control her possessive outbursts while being extremely present for her. In short, he nurtured her, giving her the protection he hadn't enjoyed as a child himself.

Although Nayuta knows her own nature and instincts, and is not naturally altruistic, she still looks at herself in a certain way: from society's point of view, and from her own, she is a child.

What I'm trying to say is that it's not insignificant to have Makima reincarnated; we could very well have had Nayuta, already an adult, because she's a devil who doesn't grow up. Nayuta already seems to grow up much faster than humans, so Fujimoto could very well have decided that a demon, especially a knight of the apocalypse, should already be born as an adult.

She grew up more quickly, and by the time Denji had finished devouring Makima, she already had the appearance of a 4/5-year-old child.

Fujimoto made Nayuta a child, because it's this state of being that makes her a control demon so paradoxical. Indeed, if Makima was so powerful, it wasn't just because she was older; the fact that Denji had killed Makima didn't change anything in terms of the fear one can feel of control.

What affects Nayuta's power, capable of controlling only 3 people at a time, is the way she conceives herself.

Makima was so powerful because she occupied a fairly high hierarchical position among public hunters, just as she had unquestionable authority over her agents. What's more, the government assigned her an objective of a universal nature: to protect all mankind from evil things. This role of universal protector, albeit a protective one, naturally places Makima, the control demon, in the role of guardian, humanity being as harmless as obedient puppies. The only thing Makima couldn't feel superior to was Chainsaw Man, for he is the entity that provides the means to pursue her universal goal of protection.

The key to Nayuta's fate is the fact that she has been loved and pampered by Denji. She makes it clear: it's natural for a demon to kill humans. Which, on the other hand, indicates that it's completely unnatural and almost unnatural for a demon to love and be loved by a human.

To have been loved, to have been happy, enabled the control demon to understand other ways of relating than pure domination, whereas Makima didn't understand human relationships, to the point of being moved by a hug, so unattainable for her.

Nayuta understands the nuances of relationships, just as she claims not to be the leader of powerful public officials but a mere child, which always places her in an inferior position to her enemies. That's why she's less powerful: to be in control, she needs to feel superior, which she can't easily do when she sees all these adults surrounding her so vehemently.

She focuses more on her social role as a child to be protected than as a demon attacking head-on. She still adheres to her role as a child, she's not obsessed with CSM because she can't reach him, he's now in her inner circle, she doesn't have a universal goal such as protecting the humanity like Fami suggested, she just wants to go to school.

In short, the control demon no longer wants to control, no longer needs to, or when she does, it's out of sheer necessity. The fact that she's weaker was Kishibe's objective when he gave custody of the demon to CSM, to make the control demon more human, more childlike, to avoid this exponential need for control. In short, the fact that the Control Demon's supreme objective is to be loved has contained its power, because its objectives have been achieved.

We can see how love is an unnatural thing, because it limits a demon who should be supreme through his solitude. For Nayuta's sake, to get out of her situation in chapter 154 would be to have a crisis of ego, and I think that symbolically it's not out of the question that if Nayuta abandons her role as a child, she'll grow up brutally. For a demon, appearance and age are simply a question of positioning in society. Makima had chosen to take on the appearance of a femme fatale to enable her to manipulate more effectively.

A soft voice, an attractive appearance to encourage us to lower our guard, the better to control coldly.

This is also why Barem is so dangerous to her: he's big-boned, aggressive and very tall, so he can be naturally frightening to a child. If Nayuta wants to control him and regain the upper hand, she mustn't see herself as a child with a gun pointed at her head. That even when assaulted, even when held at gunpoint, she's still in full control, that despite the chaos, she's still superior.

It's no coincidence that it's a gun that's pointed at her. Guns are fatal for humans, but for demons, especially the most powerful ones, they don't mean much. Nayuta doesn't need to be afraid of a gun, she needs to embrace her demon nature.

And she's on that track because protecting CSM, rather than being protected by him, means she can now play the role of a big sister.

What's more, she needs to get to know her own need for violence and cruelty. Chaos isn't what she likes, this chain of violence and combat isn't what she desires, because what she wants is cold, absolute control, where all she gets is unfailing obedience, people falling into line, not men with spears fighting each other in a primal manner.

She has been brought up by Denji, adopting his mannerisms and his way of speaking, but she also needs to distance herself from this fraternal figure in order to be herself.

All this leads me to say that the Knights of the Apocalypse, by moving away from what they are, are THE ONES who bring about the apocalypse, which is totally obvious, hence their name.

By loving something abnormal for the demon of control, by falling in love with his worst enemy for the demon of war, by wanting to save humanity to better eat what it produces for the demon of famine... show how they are all affected by humanity, to the point of putting aside their demonic nature.

Think of it as a kind of broken balance, which leads the eldest, the demon of death, to intervene. Why? For death represents absolute equilibrium; no one can escape it, it is an absolute rule from which it cannot be dislodged, it is an inevitable and firm end. Common to all species.

So she intervenes, to pull the ears of her little sisters Nostradamus' prophecy doesn't predict the apocalypse - in fact, it predicts that it will be triggered by the Knights of the Apocalypse, who have set out to protect mankind from the apocalypse. It may sound complicated when you put it like that, but the idea is to reinforce the idea of inevitability: protecting mankind from the apocalypse isn't a rebellion, something that can work; on the contrary, Fami's plan triggers it because she denies her nature. It's a losing game.

When I say that Nayuta needs to be a little more Makima again, it's not just for her own good, it's also for the good of humanity, and I find that ultra interesting: it's necessary for the antagonist we got rid of in part 1 to return, at least partially, in part 2.

But she mustn't go back to being that obsessive protector, she must simply resume its role as predator. Mankind needs predators: with the evolution of technology, it thought it could challenge its food chain, but paradoxically it needs to be bruised by demons to survive, since the balance of the world is at stake.

It's all the more symbolic that Barem and Fami use the wrong strategy: like Prometheus, they give fire to men via contracts with the fire demon, reinforcing the idea of evolution to escape its nature. It's even more symbolic that many weapons serve this project, such as Miri, the demon of the whip and the spear, hybrids linked to this civilisation.

It's absurd for the demon of control to argue that she's just a child. If she wants CSM to escape, she must also allow him to free himself from his role as big brother and protector. And the answer to this question was given by Fumiko, who didn't realise that dogs and Meowy weren't just animals. What she should despise is certainly not her own family.

Humanity is nothing more than pets, and this realisation is the key for Nayuta to become herself again.

[bunkerjking]

Good chapter again

[cordelia-grey1612]

A common theme in Chainsaw Man Part 2:

[ben-talks-art]

Raise your hands, how many of you completely forget that every time Chainsawman characters talked about "Justice Devil" they were actually talking about the Fire Devil who was actually pretending to be the Justice Devil? 🙋‍♂️

Just me? Please tell me it wasn't just me... 🥺

[divinepsychosis]

Fire Devil

[strogelen21]

You really are strong, Chainsaw Man.

Pleased to meet you.

I am the Fire Devil.

[shysheeperz]

[lazysailor]

FUJIMOTO OUT HERE AGAIN MAKING ABSOLUTELY FIRE DEVIL DESIGNS!!

[ghostlyeris]

i need the fire devil. carnally

[sugar-grigri]

I also like the way Denji and Pochita turn suffering into something glorious. In chapter 151, when Denji is about to pull the cable, he shows an angry expression full of resentment, then meets eyes with Pochita, whom he sees in front of the flames marking the link between being CSM and suffering.

They wave at each other, Denji even showing his two fingers, "don't worry it would be a piece of cake", a promise to take this situation in stride.

So in the next chapter, Denji is having fun, even with his insides open, even cut in half. Suffering, Denji, CSM are all the same recipe, as the breakdown of this scene shows. You can't have one without the other.

Before the dream, Denji is carrying Nayuta on his back, then when he realizes what he wants to confront his suffering with, he decides to be CSM without anyone stopping him from tasting that suffering to the full.

Denji wins on all counts. Barem wanted the flames to be his punishment; they are his rebirth. The fire demon continues his symbolism: fire allows men to escape from their conditions, to follow their desires. The flames are not an obstacle to CSM, they help him to become one.

So people are confused, insulting Denji as a CSM wannabe. But he is CSM, because unlike the wannabe or the contractors of the fire demon, the flames don't reduce him to ashes. And you can't blame them, because like the CSM wannabe, fire was a trigger for Denji to realise he was CSM.

Despite the physical pain, CSM will continue to move and devour. Devouring, being cut in half, it's all the same as eating a good peace of cake.

OH you tried to cut Denji in two, his human life on one side, his demonic life as a CSM on the other?

AH did you physically cut Denji in two?

It's just routine....... After all, CSM is already a two-part work!

Cut CSM in two and the machine will continue to run. Turning the pages, hoping that behind the suffering, there will be something positive, this reading could also be summed up by Denji as a good massage!

[noven-warsh]

crack guesses: 1) it's kishibe (for no reason lmao) 2) it's denji's dad for some reason (short hair, "do you remember his face") 3) it's yuko (fire devil's just using he/him pronouns for her) 4) it's seigi since he looks like agni from fire punch and this is the fire devil

more normal guesses?: 1) it's not "do you remember this person's face" but instead "do you remember the faces of your fans whose love you want? do you care about them beyond what they offer you?" 2) it's this kid that died during denji's fight with the cockroach devil, right after he ditched him and a car full of old people in favor of killing and then rescuing a cat (esp considering in the recent chapter he saved 6 people by killing 1 person)