#fluithuin

[thelien-art]

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[thelien-art]

Ahhh!! She´s so pretty! And I love her horns!! makes me want to draw her with horns too She looks so gleeful and excited!

Young Fluithuin for the Halloween Event of @thelien-art

Sorry, I took some liberties from the model here and here, but I wanted a more young girl enjoying the feast !

And she loves horns, she has horns because she likes them a lot !! Every event is a good reason to add great horns to her body.

And well... Happy Halloween y'all !

[tar-mirielshouldhavebeenqueen]

Angang Funny shitpost ft. TikTok

Stuck in an elevator cause Melkor decided to jump

Everyone: Fucking mint

Langon’s had three panic attacks in 10 minutes

Everyone: Fucking mint

Gothmog hasn’t said a thing since we got stuck

Everyone: Fucking mint

Mairon is being immature and yelling the whole time

Everyone: Fucking mint

Lungorthin has just been listening to music and calling his mom

Everyone: Fucking mint

Thuringwethil has to pee so bad she might get a bladder infection

Everyone: Fucking mint

Ungoliant is who we’re gonna blame cause she’s a minority

Everyone: Fucking mint

[a-denn]

I painted this work for 6 months, I ask you not to judge me or my OTP. I was inspired by Loki and Angrboda from Scandinavian mythology. ps/I forgot to write, in my au(?) Ungoliant and Fluituin are one character.

[ohmyarda]

One of my favorite discarded characters of Tolkien’s Legendarium is Fluithuin, once said to be the mother of Gothmog via Melkor. A theory of hers that I especially love is that, “—she was a Maia infatuated with Melkor, sought to have a kid with him, violated the ban of Eru (that stated Aniur would not interfere, with the Children of Illuvatar) and thus was cursed, made barren, and transformed into a hideous Ogre.” The New Notion Club Archives

[kisses-in-the-void]

I’d even go as far as to say that the most accurate canon-based interpretation of Mairon would be to see him as aromantic/asexual.

Not once — in any of Tolkien’s drafts or texts — is it stated that he wanted to have a partner, or just usted after anyone. Not. Even. Once.

In contrast, let's look at how Tolkien wrote Melkor: he had a son, Kosomot (Gothmog), in "The Lost Tales", and Tolkien even gave us the name of the mother (Fluithuin). There’s also a version where Melkor wanted Arien to be his wife. In "The Silmarillion", he approached Varda, seemingly with some interest — it’s not entirely clear whether he wanted her as a spouse or an ally, but the implication is still there. And, he lusted after Luthien.

Now compare all that to how Tolkien wrote Mairon — there wasn’t a single character he showed romantic or sexual interest in. We all love to joke about Tolkien using the word "seduced" (myself included), but we know it wasn’t meant in a sexual way.

"Slutty Mairon" is purely a fandom invention. And some people imagine he was like that only with Melkor (that's me), others ship him with multiple characters, or write him as someone who loved sleeping around a lot. Personally, I think it's OOC — because yes, he saw himself as superior to pretty much everyone except Melkor, so I imagine his standards would’ve been sky-high.

Of course, everyone’s free to enjoy their own headcanons, and it doesn't matter if they irk me sometimes. But I’m glad to know I’m not the only one who doesn’t see him as "a slutty slut" 😂

I know the “slutty Mairon” take is super popular in fanon, but honestly, it never made much sense to me. This is a guy who sees himself as some untouchable god, someone you’re not allowed to name, let alone touching. He aims to keep himself abstract because he is a god. Personally, I prefer the version where he’s unattainable, sophisticated, and saves all his charm and seduction for the kings he needs to manipulate—because it’s business, not pleasure.

He’s a disaster-slutty-lover for Celebrimbor and Melkor specificall, but for everyone else? Forget it.

[eldamaranquendi]

Melkor & Fluithuin BY A-denn  

In the earliest versions of the legendarium, Gothmog is described as the son of Morgoth and the 'ogress' Fluithuin or Ulbandi.[1] Both 'ogresses' and the idea that the Valar had children were discarded by Tolkien fairly early on.

http://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Fluithuin

[thelordofgifs]

Obscure Tolkien Blorbo: Round 1

Ulbandi vs Miaulë

Ulbandi:

An ogress from the early drafts of the legendarium, also known as Fluithuin.

screw this. she's a cannibal. she's melkor's wife. she's a girboss. what else can i say but We Were Robbed

Miaulë:

Tevildo’s cook in an early version of the legendarium.

All evil cats are blorbos. This one has the best name!

Round 1 masterpost

[thebookoflosttalesproject]

The Fall of Gondolin

Let me start by saying that the first part describing the wanderings of Tuor is the most tiring part of this book... :) But the descriptions of Gondolin, its people, and the siege are absolutely fascinating, and probably my favourite part of all the Lost Tales! It’s epic, and tragic, and described so vividly that I could see it in my head, just as if I was watching a historical c-drama! ^^ It also made me weep for the characters who were much more fleshed out than in the short and rather dry account of this battle presented in The Silm… So, in one sentence: I love this story!

I won't do a recap, but I’ll just leave here some quotes and facts from this chapter that I find especially interesting :)

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Littleheart the Gong-warden of Mar Vanwa Tyalieva is actually the son of Bronweg/Voronwe! That's why he's the one who tells this story to Eriol :)

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About the nature of orcs:

(...) for all that race were bred by Melko of the subterranean heat and slime. Their hearts were of granite and their bodies deformed; foul their faces which smiled not, but their laugh that of the clash of metal, and to nothing were they more fain than to aid in the basest of the purposes of Melko. The greatest hatred was between them and the Noldoli (...)

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A detail in Gondolin:

On either side of the doors of the palace were two trees, one that bore blossom of gold and the other of silver, nor did they ever fade, for they were shoots of old from the glorious Trees of Valinor (...)

#WhoStoleThem??? When??? How??? I want to know :D

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Turgon is not surprised by the sudden appearance of Tuor:

"Welcome, O Man of the Land of Shadows. Lo! Thy coming was set in our books of wisdom, and it has been written that there would come to pass many great things in the homes of the Gondothlim whenso thou faredst hither.”

Still, Turgon won't listen to Ulmo’s warnings that Tuor has brought with him. *sigh*

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Now Tuor learnt many things in those realms taught by Voronve whom he loved, and who loved him exceedingly greatly in return (...)

#Bromance

#NotMeSuddenlyRememberingBelegAndTurinAndCryingAboutThem

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Then on a time Melko assembled all his most cunning smiths and sorcerers, and of iron and flame they wrought a host of monsters such as have only at that time been seen and shall not again be till the Great End. Some were all of iron so cunningly linked that they might flow like slow rivers of metal or coil themselves around and above all obstacles before them, and these were filled in their innermost depths with the grimmest of the Orcs with scimitars and spears; others of bronze and copper were given hearts and spirits of blazing fire, and they blasted all that stood before them with the terror of their snorting or trampled whatso escaped the ardour of their breath; yet others were creature of pure flame that writhed like ropes of molten metal, and they brought to ruin whatever fabric they came nigh, and iron and stone melted before them and became as water, and upon them rode Balrogs in hundreds; and these were the most dire of all those monsters which Melko devised against Gondolin.

This is so vivid and terrifying and probably the closest to steampunk we've ever been when it comes to this universe, and on one hand it gets me excited, but on the other hand I feel like I must subdue my enthusiasm after reading Tolkien and the Great War...

anyway-

(...) and the number of Balrogs that perished was a marvel and dread to the hosts of Melko, for ere that day never had any of the Balrogs been slain by the hand of Elves or Men.

The Elves are not easily defeted, even when they face a foe as terrifying as Melko and his metal hosts!

but - cue me crying for Ecthelion… :')

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Legolas Greenleaf of the House of the Tree makes an appearance :D (he helps guide the siege survivors to saftey)

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>> and at the end - two interesting facts from the Notes on this chapter:

The gift by the Gods of these ‘shoots’ to Inwe and Noleme at the time of the building of Kor, each being given a shoot of either Tree, is mentioned in The Coming of Elves, and in the Hiding of Valinor there is a reference to the uprooting of those given to Noleme, which ‘were gone no one knew whither, and more had there never been’.

#YupTheNoldoliHadStolenThem :D

Gothmog was a son of Melko and the ogress Fluithuin, and his name is Strife-and-hatred, and he was Captain of the Balrogs and lord of Melko’s hosts ere fair Ecthelion slew him at the taking of Gondolin (...)

#ExcuseMeWHAT :D

#SoManyThingsToUnpackHere

It's... good that the concept of the Valar having children has ultimately been abandoned... :D

[ainurmoodboards]

The Valarindi (The Children of the Valar)

In the earlier stages of Tolkien's writings, the Valar were less angelic and more like pagan (especially Greco-Roman) deities. One of the most notable features at this point was that some of the married couples among the Valar had children. The term for these beings was Valarindi, and it was used to refer to any child (or in a couple of cases, grandchild) of one of the Valar. This group of beings included:

Nessa, the Dancer, The Swift

Nessa was the daughter of Aulë and Yavanna, the sister of Oromë, and was associated with dancing, deer, and speed. Her wedding to the Vala Tulkas was the first and only marriage between two Valar to take place within Arda itself. The fact that she is strongly associated with deer and nature and that her brother is connected to hunting makes her vaguely reminiscent of the Greek goddess Artemis. Meanwhile, her connections to love, dancing, and beauty and her marriage to the warrior Vala Tulkas are comparable to Greek Aphrodite and Roman Venus. Nessa and Tulkas had a son named Telimektar in the earliest stages.

Oromë, The Huntsman of the Valar

Oromë was the son of Aulë and Yavanna, the brother of Nessa, and the Lord of the Forests and the Huntsman of the Valar. After the Valar retreated to the continent of Aman, Oromë would still occassionally return to Middle-earth to hunt the creatures of Melkor, and it was during one of these trips that he came upon the first elves. He was also strongly associated with horses and was especially loved by the people of Rohan, who believed that their horses were descended from ones he brought from the West. Oromë is like a mix of the Greek god Apollo with the many horse and forest gods of the different Celtic tribes, who the Romans often adopted as aspects of Apollo. Oromë was married to Vána, who was technically his aunt, and they had a daughter named Nieliqui; this relationship is very reminiscent of those of many Greek gods and goddesses.

Fionwë-Urion,

Fionwë-Urion was the son of Manwë and Varda, the brother of Erinti, and a warrior associated with light and fire. His connection to fire can be seen in his love for Arien, who at this point was called Urwen/Urwendi, with the names Urwen and Urion both coming from a rootword meaning fire or flame. At one point Tolkien developed a story where Melkor tried to claim Arien/Urwen as a wife, attacking her while she was guiding the Sun through the sky. She released herself from her body in an explosion of fire and "died", permanently scarring Melkor and causing the Sun to go out of control and burn parts of Arda, creating the deserts. It was said that Fionwë-Urion would kill Melkor/Morgoth in the last battle at the end of days due to his love for Arien/Urwen. This story was eventually dropped before The Silmarilion was published; Melkor fears Arien too much to attack her, while the Ainu who is in love with Arien is Tilion, the guide of the Moon. Fionwë-Urion eventually evolved into the Maia Eonwë, in the process also absorbing the character Nornorë, the Herald of the Valar, who became one of the "Lost Valar".

Erinti,

Erinti was the daughter of Manwë and Varda and the sister of Fionwë-Urion. At one point, she was written as the sister of Salmar/Noldorin and Ómar/Amillo instead of being the sister of Fionwë-Urion, though their parents aren't specified. At that stage, the three siblings were the only Ainur who left Aman to live with the elves of Tol Eressea. Erinti is associated with love, beauty, and music, which is fitting since Ómar and Salmar are both associated with music as well. She was eventually rewritten as Manwë and Varda's daughter, but despite this important parentage not much was said about her. Though the concept of the Valarindi was eventually dropped and the Valar became more like angels, Erinti survived as Ilmarë, the handmaiden of Varda. Together with Eonwë, who was once her brother Fionwë-Urion, she was a chief of the Maiar.

Nieliqui, The Little Maiden of the Valar

Nieliqui was the daughter of Oromë and Vána, and references to her as "the little maiden" suggest she may have been the youngest and most childlike of the Valar. Not much is said about Nieliqui besides the fact that she was a small maiden who liked to dance in her father’s woods. This often took place while Ómar-Amillo (a Lost Vala), who was the Vala of song and music, would sing in the woods. Both of Nieliqui’s parents had strong connections to nature, especially trees, and some fans have imagined her as a dryad-like character. Her love of dancing suggests that, she also takes after her aunt Nessa, the Vala of dancing. Nieliqui disappeared from Tolkien's writings once he abandoned the concept of the Valarindi and created the Maiar, and she doesn't appear in The Silmarilion.

Telimektar, The Warrior of the Sky

Telimektar was the son of Tulkas and Nessa, and a mighty warrior who fought hard in the struggles against Melkor/Morgoth. He is described as having a long sword kept at his waist by a silver girdle. His face and weapons are also described as heaving a silver gleam. In early writings, the constellation Orion (which contains many stars classified as blue giants) is Telimektar, with the star Nielluin/Helluin (Sirius) being described as his toe. He is in the sky as a guard against Morgoth, and he was given stars by Varda to mark his shape so the Valar would know he was there. He is also said to have diamonds on his sword’s sheath that will glow red when the last battle occurs at the end of the world. Telimektar was eventually dropped, but one of the many variations of his name, Telumehtar, appears as a name for the constellation Orion in the appendices of Lord of the Rings, and as the name of the 28th King of Gondor.

Once Tolkien dropped the concept of the Valarindi and created the angelic Maiar instead, the fates of these characters changed. Oromë and Nessa became Valar in their own right, Fionwë-Urion and Erinti morphed into Maiar, and Nieliqui and Telimektar were dropped. Even Melkor once was envisioned to have a son named Kalimbo/Kosomot with an ogress named Fluithuin or Ulbandi, but this character changed into Gothmog, Lord of the Balrogs.

[thelien-art]

Lady Fluithuin

If I could ask the professor one thing, it would be why he didn´t have her in the final version - I understand she couldn't have the same role as he thought for her first, but still, Tom didn´t really do anything either, he just sorta where there, why couldn't Fluithuin also just sorta be there :(

I wanted her to look like a creepy version of Nienna

[grimoireoffolkloreandfairytales]

 Oh dear gods, yes yes, Bernadette Peters would absolutely bring the role to the life and beyond, and actually I can see Feanor vibing to ‘’The Last Midnight’’ (you are not good, you are not bad, you are just nice/ I am not good, I am not nice, I am just right/ I am what no one believes/ You are all liars and thieves/ I am leaving you my last curse/ I am leaving you alone)

...and damn, now I am thinking about Feanor and fairy tale witchcraft and my braing adores both those things and goes in mad unconnected tangents and so I am left with:

a) In Legendarium, magic and singing are intristically connected, to the point you could reliably say that all magic is more, act of singing your desired change in the world. It is also known that (as Galadriel tells Frodo and Sam), that elves don’t really have concept of magic as magic, but just see it as lore that is wholly natural and able to be learned, which fits well with how subtle and more spiritual and behind the scenes magic is in Middle Earth.

It is also something of reccuring point with Feanor’s creations that nobody, not even Ainur, can easily figure out how they work nor replicate them. The knowledge of Feanorian lamps, for example, remains a mystery. Gandalf, a Maia, finds palantir intriguing because he also finds their workings mysterious, and claims that even Daruman and Sauron, both Maia of Aule famous for their sorcery and cunning creativity, wouldn’t be able to ‘’hack’’ palantir and use them to show things that aren’t really, only manipulate them to show the most dreary, but realistic visions. Even Aule, the Valar who we can reasonably say invented existence of the matter, especially earth and minerals, doesn’t know how or what Silmarils were made of nor how to break them.

What I am getting on is that : 1. Feanor who starts experimenting and fiddling with singing might accidentally become more of a fairy tale witch type of sorcerer, complete with seven league boots and towels that turn into rivers and turning people in frogs and statues 2. In elven and maybe even human folklore, Feanor becomes sort of stock character, the spiteful reclusive wild witch kind of character, who protagonists go to in order to earn items they need for their quest, passing wicked tests he puts them through with help of friends and animals so he would unwillingly part with his creations (and maybe lay curse upon them).

b) This would make no sense in canon so would have to be very very loose Au, but, I am now considering Feanor-as-Rapunzel style of story?? Where Feanor is kidnapped as baby by a witch ( maybe some sort of Maia of Melkor, but how would that mesh with Valar, unless this is some au where he is born before Orome arrives, and maybe we could reuse abandoned idea of ogress Fluithuin, consort of Melkor and mother of Gothmog....) and raised in isolation.

Hmm maybe then in this story, Nerdanel is one who gets him out, partially by her wisdom and cunning, partially by her kindness and friendships, and partially by his own secret aiding? There is this trope in fairy tales, where hero’s love interest is child of magical being, who aids them against their parent in quest to win their hand ( see fairytales Nix Nought Nothing, or Prunella), trope you see sort of used in Beren-and-Luthien dynamic.

3) Again, canonically impossible, and would neeed THOUSANDS of hoops to jump through to justify, but I am now in love with idea of spirit of Feanor befriending some solitary, half-mad, intensely bitter and spiteful and proud but not evil old woman who is regarded as witch, and two of them managing to bolster her reputation for their own purposes through dramatic acting, sleight-of-hand, spirit elf powers and his creations, and it all works well...until some elves, possibly very familiar Nolo or Ara Finweans, come to research the rumors....

Anyway lol sorry for ramblign, this got out of the control!

Into the Woods is actually a Tolkien musical

Evidence:

The Wolf/Cinderella's Prince double casting is evidence the role was written for Sauron

[enanoakd]

The lost Ainur are the Valar whom Tolkien wrote about in earlier works, but dropped by the time he wrote the Silmarillion. Some were actual Valar from outside Arda who sang Arda into existence. Some were children of these Valar who came into existence on the created Arda. After dropping the idea of the Valar's having children and inventing the concept of Maiar, these characters had to be changed. Some, such as Eonwë, became Maiar. Even some non-children disappeared completely from the storyline, and those are the ones depicted in this graphic.

[askmiddlearth]

Fluithuin the Ogress

Ulbandi, or Fluithuin, was an ogress and the mother of Morgoth's son, Gothmog, and that's really all we know about her. Now, if you read that sentence and became extremely confused and skeptical, that's good. Ulbandi was only mentioned once in the Book of Lost Tales, which is (for those who don't know) pretty much the earliest version of Tolkien's stories about Middle Earth. And, like most of the Book of Lost Tales, Ulbandi's story was changed so much during rewrites that she basically doesn't exist in the "current" version of Middle Earth. 

Ogres (and ogresses) are also an element that don't seem to exist in Middle Earth anymore. They were described in early drafts as "giant cannibals" that were bred by Morgoth. And while they're mentioned briefly by Bilbo (while trying to think of an answer to one of Gollum's riddles, Tolkien said "Poor Bilbo sat in the dark thinking of all the horrible names of all the giants and ogres he had ever heard told of in tales"), ogres don't appear anywhere in a historical sense, only in a "heard told of in tales" sense.

Finally, the entire concept of the Valar having children was abandoned by Tolkien after these earliest drafts. In the final version of the Silmarillion, Gothmog was one of Morgoth's balrogs (and so originally one of the Maiar.)

[a-denn]

[laisrinel]

Young Fluithuin for the Halloween Event of @thelien-art

Sorry, I took some liberties from the model here and here, but I wanted a more young girl enjoying the feast !

And she loves horns, she has horns because she likes them a lot !! Every event is a good reason to add great horns to her body.

And well... Happy Halloween y'all !