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ostolero · 2 years ago
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in 2024 you and your friends need to be talking about grimoires
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getvalentined · 9 months ago
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Decomposition Versus Dissolution: The Breakdown of Bodies in Final Fantasy VII
Warnings for discussion of death, dead bodies, and the desecration thereof, as well as references to digestive and gastrointestinal processes including illness. Features images of dead fictional characters and spoilers for basically the entire Compilation.
This is something I've been chewing on for quite a while, and this post is a bit of a doozy because of detailed examples cited to indicate support for this interpretation. It doesn't work 100% of the time, but it's consistent enough that I'm comfortable personally accepting it as accurate enough, and talking with @skadren about it earlier gave me the impetus to finally organize it well enough to put out into the public sphere. Consider this my personal standard model of Gaian decomposition—if and when we get a better canonical explanation, I'll take it, but for now this works for me, so maybe it'll work for you too!
In the world of Final Fantasy VII, there are four possible outcomes after the death of an animal lifeform:
Decomposition – Organic breakdown of physical remains over time after death, as seen in the real world.
Dissolution – The energetic breakdown of physical remains at the moment of death.
Delayed Dissolution – The sudden energetic breakdown of physical remains at some point after the moment of death, prior to the onset of traditional decomposition.
Rejection – Cases in which the remains neither decompose nor dissolve, physical remains left intact and energetic remains unabsorbed by the Lifestream.
Floral and fungal life appear to be subject only to decomposition, while the outcomes for native microbial and viral lifeforms are unknown. This piece considers all fiends, even those with characteristics similar to floral lifeforms, to be animals, although it's more likely that fiends in-universe comprise their own unique clade on the tree of life.
There's very little information within canonical lore to even directly imply the determining factors for any given outcome, but we can gain insight on these factors by noting when and where a given outcome occurs.
We do have to accept that some instances are based entirely on game mechanics rather than on any lore, as sometimes the field needs to be cleared in order to maintain the gameplay experience, but the fact that we see all of these in cutscenes through the series make it clear that it isn't only a game mechanic.
Based on known instances, prerequisites appear to be as follows:
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Decomposition occurs in lifeforms with no or low mako exposure, or with a unique connection to the planet. These remains are able to rot naturally, as that's the most effective way for their remains to feed Gaia's life cycle, helping to "feed" the planet physically as well as energetically. If we consider the reabsorption of living things in terms of digestion, this would be equivalent to consumption of a so-called "whole food." We can assume this is the case based on the existence of livestock within the FF7 universe, and the known canonical instances of this outcome:
• Ifalna – body dissected by Hojo. (source: FF7R)
• Seto – body petrified and intact in Cosmo Canyon (source: OG, FF7R, OTWTAS)
• Aerith Gainsborough – body put to rest in water. (source: OG, AC)
• Dyne – body buried by Dio. (source: FF7R)
• Melphie Kusakabe – body found by Sonon. (source: FF7R)
• Kalm and Nibelheim locals – bodies used in experimentation. (source: OG, BC)
• North Corel and Gongaga locals – bodies buried by other residents. (source: OG, FF7R)
• Wutaian NPCs – bodies found outside Nibel Reactor. (source: FF7R)
• Rhadoran NPCs – bodies buried by Sephiroth. (source: FF7EC)
• Mr. and Mrs. Rhapsodos – bodies buried by Genesis. (source: CCFF7)
• Unnamed Turks – bodies buried by Genesis. (source: CCFF7)
• Most non-fiend animals – The presence of meat makes this pretty obvious. (source: OG, FF7R)
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Dissolution occurs in lifeforms with moderate to high mako exposure, presumably due to energetic destabilization at the point of death rendering the remains much easier for the planet to reabsorb. Following the same digestion comparison as above, this is similar to the human body's accelerated processing of refined sugars as compared to raw sugars or whole foods. This also appears to occur based on the will of the planet, but the these cases are extremely rare, with only one known occurrence.
We can assume this is accurate based on the following known instances:
• Grimoire Valentine – body began to dissolve while still alive but actively dying, disintegrating entirely at the moment of death. May be a special case due to cause of death. (source: DCFF7)
• Lazard Deusericus – body dissolved at the moment of death. (source: CCFF7)
• Secondary Project G Subjects – bodies most often seen to dissolve at the moment of death in both gameplay and cutscenes, except in rare cases discussed below. (source: CCFF7, DCFF7)
• Midgar locals – implied by the dramatic lack of corpses following the Sector 7 plate drop. (source: FF7R)
• Shinra employees – implied by the dramatic lack of corpses following Zack's last stand, as well as the presence of equipment but no bodies in Nero's training room. (source: OG, CCFF7, FF7R)
• Various fiends – shown to occur in both gameplay and cutscenes. (source: CCFF7, DCFF7, FF7R, FF7EC)
• Kadaj – body began to dissolve while still alive but actively dying. Dissolution appears to have been based on the will of the planet rather than energetic instability. (source: AC)
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Delayed dissolution occurs when the remains have been subject to certain types or levels of energetic corruption, even when paired with high levels of mako exposure. This appears to occur either due to an inability for the planet to reabsorb the remains immediately, or because of a partial rejection from the Lifestream.
Energetic corruption in the world of FF7 is stored in the Void and eventually consumed by Chaos, as shown in Dirge of Cerberus; it's safe to assume that these delays occur due to Chaos being more or less unavailable during the course of known canon, having been removed from its post in the mid-1970s and hosted in Vincent Valentine's body in the early 1980s. This explains the growing pollution of the Lifestream during the course of canon, as the planet's primary filtration system is missing or damaged until after Omega's premature awakening, but the energy in question is still compatible with the Lifestream to a high enough degree to eventually be reabsorbed.
Following the digestion metaphor established earlier, this would be similar to eating heavily processed or partially spoiled food with a damaged gut biome, leading to slow digestion, discomfort, and eventual illness.
These cases are slightly more difficult to confirm, but are proven to occur via cutscenes and narrative in the following instances:
• Zack Fair – body persisted long enough for Cloud to collect himself and leave after a year of catatonia, but neither present at later visits to the location nor indicated in any source to have been recovered following his last stand. Shown to have been "taken" by Angeal, although this may have been strictly thematic. (source: OG, CCFF7)
• Angeal Hewley – confirmed by Hojo's statement via mission brief that his body was not recovered, in spite of having persisted after death in Modeoheim. (source: CCFF7)
• Gillian Hewley – unconfirmed but presumable based on the persistence of her body during the razing of Banora and the delayed dissolution of all primary and some secondary Project G subjects. (source: CCFF7, FF7EC)
• Professor Hojo – as shown in the screenshot at the top of this section. (source: DCFF7)
• Lucrecia Crescent – indicated by her body's persistence even as her energetic remains have been slowly eroded by the Lifestream over time, even after her initial rejection from the Lifestream similar to discussion below. (source: OG, DCFF7)
• Secondary Project G Subjects – most notably a handful of Copies from both Genesis and Angeal. This may be based on their manner of death, as Copies killed in the presence of Sephiroth seem to persist for a time, while those killed elsewhere do not. (source: CCFF7)
• DeepGround SOLDIERS – shown to leave corpses persistently enough for Nero to play with them in order to scare his opponents, but indicated to eventually dissolve based on the presence of damaged gear but lack of corpses in Nero's training room. (source: DCFF7, FF7R)
• Various fiends – shown to occur in gameplay and cutscenes. (source: CCFF7, FF7R, FF7EC)
• Various NPCs – energetically only, shown to be incapable of disseminating into the Lifestream after death due to some polluting action or affect applied during life. Should not be confused with rejection, discussed below, as the energetic remains of these lifeforms will eventually dissolve properly. (source: DCFF7, OTWTAS)
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Rejection is the most rare outcome following death, at least with regard to physical bodies; energetic rejection is slightly more common by volume, but only because of one very large group energetically rejected by the Lifestream at a point several thousand years pre-canon.
Rejection is only indicated to occur for one of two reasons:
Incompatibility with the Lifestream itself.
The will of the planet based on necessity.
In cases of incompatibility, it's similar to the concept of mixing oil and water, two materials that will always eventually separate if not subjected to a chemical change to allow incorporation. With regards to the will of the planet, this occurs when the subject in question is integral to the continued functioning of the planet itself, and can't be allowed to remain physically decomposed or to energetically disseminate. To complete the metaphor of consumption and digestion, rejection via incompatibility would be instances of eating materials that can't be digested and should be ejected from the body, while rejection due to planetary processes is similar to swallowing something important and intentionally inducing vomiting in order to reclaim the item in question.
There are only six known cases of complete rejection, and one population-wide case of strictly energetic rejection:
• Jenova – complete rejection, body in usable condition with will intact even thousands of years after death. Remains persist in usable condition even years after destruction of main portion just prior to Meteorfall. Rejection appears to be caused by incompatibility due to extraterrestrial origin, as most individuals with Jenova infection, even severe cases, are eventually capable of dissolution to some degree. (source: OG, AC, FF7R)
• Sephiroth – complete rejection, body mostly intact and will fully intact five years after his death in the Nibelheim Incident, with will remaining energetically active even after final destruction of body. Body also capable of being reconstituted based on force of will. Rejection presumed to be caused by incompatibility due to Jenova's extraterrestrial origins. (source: OG, AC, FF7R, OTWTAS)
• Vincent Valentine – complete rejection, body regenerates and reconstitutes after death on multiple occasions. Originally serving as host to Chaos—a Weapon—the powers bestowed by this role persist even after its consciousness returns to the planet, proven by Vincent's return to form in Chaos' cave following complete physiological destruction during his last stand to stop Omega. This repeated rejection from the Lifestream, both physically and energetically, implies Vincent's position postcanon is that of Chaos' successor, not its container, rendering him integral to planetary processes. (source: OG, AC, DCFF7, OTWTAS)
• Cloud Strife – complete rejection, rejected from the Lifestream and healed of mortal wounds and illness multiple times. Rather than being due to incompatibility based on his S-cell infection, Cloud's rejections being fairly gentle—similar to Vincent's—seems to imply he's integral to planetary processes, presumably due to his unique ability to subdue Sephiroth. (source: OG, AC)
• Nero the Sable – complete rejection, body reconstitutes in the Void upon death while will and energetic remains persist on multiple occasions. Genetic relation to Chaos through use of corrupted mako in his conception presumably lead to him being viewed as equally integral to planetary processes, even if this may not be the case. (source: FF7DC, FF7R)
• Weiss the Immaculate – complete rejection, body persists even after death with will intact in spite of assumptions to the contrary and canonical complete energetic purity. Rejection appears to be due to his position as vessel of Omega, another Weapon, which renders him integral to planetary processes in much the same way as Vincent Valentine. (source: FF7DC)
• The Gi – energetic rejection only, affecting the entire species, although some bodies appear to still be intact in Cosmo Canyon for use in merit trials; possibly reconstituted through force of will, but more likely maintained by locals for cultural reasons. Rejection is due to incompatibility with the Lifestream, as the Gi are extraterrestrial lifeforms much like Jenova. (source: FF7R)
Again, there are instances that go against this interpretation, although those primarily take place in gameplay rather than in cutscenes or narrative, lending credence to the concept that these exceptions are based on game mechanics rather than lore.
If you read this far and this speaks to you, great! I'm glad I was able to shed some light on this particularly confusing fictional subject! If you read this far and this doesn't speak to you, that's also fine! Implications within canon don't necessarily make a particular interpretation the canonical one, after all.
Either way, thank you so much for lending me your time—I hope it was an enjoyable read, if nothing else.
Source Key: OG - Final Fantasy VII (1997) | AC - Advent Children (2005) + Complete (2009) | BC - Before Crisis (2004) | DCFF7 - Dirge of Cerberus (2006) | CCFF7 - Crisis Core (2007) + Reunion (2022) | FF7R - Final Fantasy VII Remake (2020) + Rebirth (2024) | FF7EC - Ever Crisis (2023) | OTWTAS - On The Way To A Smile (2004, 2009)
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grimoiremanifest · 11 months ago
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deadlock has had me in brainrot for the past few months and now im finally allowed to post about it
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tangle-twer · 1 year ago
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"Don't worry... you look better without it."
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bearloonz · 2 years ago
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“We just can’t catch a break, can we?”
“I mean… isn’t this like… your job?”
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DETECTIVE GRIMOIRE FANCASE because I’ve been seeing others do their own recently! Would’ve liked to put my sally and Grimoire outfits up here as well but I don’t have those ironed out just yet! But here’s the cast for the case!
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nimarts · 1 year ago
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Quick reference for one of the characters from my Grimoire fan case that takes place in a traveling circus… Detective Blackhurst!!
An old friend of the victim, Finnick Fiyero, who happened to be traveling briefly with the circus crew when the murder took place. In the past, Finnick described him as a reserved, thoughtful person. This greatly contrasts his loud, proclamatory self in the current day.
After the circus’s resident contortionist- 20 year old Colleen Carter- immediately confesses to the murder, the detective takes it upon himself to put together a packet of evidence before Sally and Grimoire even arrive on the scene. Now that they’re here, he almost seems eager to wrap up the investigation as fast as possible. Something isn’t quite adding up…
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struggle-bugg · 1 year ago
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the book of grimoire weiss
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windupaidoneus · 3 months ago
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everytime i imagine weiss w a human form i picture him kinda lanky older man w greying hair & its like long & wavy & hes got sunken features & is in general rather elongated in his proportions. i dont know if i would design him like this but its what my mind says instinctively
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mellow-yellow1213 · 1 year ago
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Tangle Tower hyperfixation go brrrr, have some headcanons about my favourite character (Fitz)
Born at the tower. His mum left soon after he was born and his dad, alongside other ambassadors, left when he was still a kid (can't decide on a specific age, but before he was teenaged)
Was a talkative and high energy kid, and if given the chance he would talk about plants for hours. Eventually realised that none of the adults in the tower were actually listening to him, or really cared about what he was talking about, so he withdrew in on himself
After Flint (his dad) left Fitz was given his room. Ya know how in game it says that the ambassadors took or destroyed everything before they left? Yeah that's why Fitz's room is so bare, can't bring himself to decorate it much
Did not know about Poppy's crush on him. He was just happy that someone had the same interest as him
Autistic 👍
That's all I have right now, may return if I think of more. Also if anyone in the fandom is still alive, please I beg of you drop the discord link. I need to consume more content of this game
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hydnes · 9 months ago
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gif i made for when you need to wash and dry grimoire of souls richter for no real reason (join my discord server if you want to see this stuff early i have slow internet)
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lanternagainstthedark · 1 year ago
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"The Force is With(in) Me" Spell
This is an extremely simple spell, requiring very little. It is meant as a reminder and a very quick check-in with your heart.
Materials:
Paper(small, pocket size!)
Pen(in your favorite color, bonus points if the color matches your dream lightsaber)
A symbol representing you.
Steps:
First, you need to clear your mind. It doesn't have to be a lot, just allow your focus to fall inwards. I recommend focusing on your breathing.
Draw the symbol representing you onto the center of your pocket sized notebook paper. Think something you can slide into your wallet.
Focus on sensing your own heart. What do you feel is the right thing to do? What distracts or stops you from following that baseline? Think of these things, and then let those roadblocks go. Pass them to the force after you have examined why you feel this way. Write around your symbol "The Force is a guide. It is a connection from me to the world, and the world to me. If the Force is in everything, the Force is within me. I can trust my heart to the Force, and that the Force will guide my heart. I trust my heart. I trust the Force."
Once you have written these things, fold it up. Draw a symbol that represents the force, and slide it to a pocket or place in your wallet where you can pull it out and remind yourself.
Trust is hard. Trusting yourself is harder. Allow the Force to help you find trust easy again.
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sewceress · 9 months ago
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I needed a counter for my small water cup so I took the opportunity to enchant it to remember to drink more water
Magic water bottle bracelet ✨
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spiritofhyena · 6 months ago
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Debating if to make a discord server (since I have a discord acc I made to join pagan/witchy servers but that i ended up not using bc on phone app I can have only 1 acc open) as a sort of "grimoire" I can access anywhere or make a sideblog for it bc tumblr search keep failing me and I'm spending too much time finding posts I reblogged (and tagged) in my blog.
But also- will I find them again in a sideblog, since I can't find them on here even if well tagged?
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nimarts · 1 year ago
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Next in the cast of Big Top Bullet Trap (finally named it lmao) is Colleen!! Our primary suspect. While her confession seems definitive on the surface, evidence and testimony from her fellow troupe members gradually begin to paint a different picture. What is she hiding? And who or what could she be protecting?
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halfmaskshadow · 1 year ago
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God isn’t ready for my new Video Game Conspiracy™ (and neither is my friend group, unfortunately) but maybe y’all are
(btw this is like a full essay so I’m adding a break)
Okay so Kingdom Hearts characters are often based on established Final Fantasy characters, right?
This is really obvious is some cases, like with Wakka, Tidus, and Selphie basically being directly ripped from their respective games and given island kid reskins
Or with Leon/Squall, Yuffie, Aerith, Cid, Cloud, and Sephiroth all being given reworked backstories and put in
But sometimes the inspiration is more subtle
Like with Larxene/Elrena being inspired by Elena
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(Note the tie on Elrena and the EXTREMELY similar names)
Or with Axel presumably being based off of Reno, even being given a similar personality
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And how they’re all part of shady organizations with a set uniform, vaguely spy inspired tactics, and unique weapons
(Also the orgs while “finding hearts and changing names because they feel like they changed too much kind of ties into some of ff7’s overall themes of identity and the way your allies/friends/family change the way you perceive yourself but that isn’t super important to this discussion)
What is important is this:
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Look at Grimoire. Note Grimoire’s center part, long-ish hair, and the way his chin juts out a little. Puzzle over the fact that he’s a scientist adjacent. Let it stew in your brain for a bit
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Now look at young Vincent. Look at the way his hair lays on his face. Look at his silhouette
These two remind you of anyone?
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BOOM
Now any viewer hearing this might say “man they’re reaching. The evidence seems pretty superficial,” too which I say…. You know what that is totally fair. But rationally only stops me a quarter of the time and this is not that
Now we all know KH is Nomura’s baby, so he presumably did most of not all of the character designs. He’s also well known for doing the big character designs in Final Fantasy 7, so it doesn’t seem implausible for him to have taken some inspirations
Additionally, Re:Chain of Memories came out around a year after Dirge of Cerberus
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(Original CoM came out like 2 years before, but it was in pixel art, and it isn’t crazy to claim they were in development/early concept at the same time. And who know, maybe Grimoire was based in Vexen/Even and not the other way around)
(The rest of this post is just extra info so you can skip it if you want)
I omitted adult Ienzo because he’s only in Unreal, and the switch had some pretty big facial structure changes for the org, as exemplified by Luxord
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Also it might just be that older men were just Modeled Like That™ but it doesn’t really apply to the other org members so who knows
Anyway here’s a gallery of images that were omitted because they are either in totally different engines or just not relevant bcuz of time period
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Anyway all this is to say there’s a decent chance Ienzo will look like THIS
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in a future game
Thank you for coming to my TED talk
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windupaidoneus · 3 months ago
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weiss is such a poignant character i feel ill
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