#he is rather smart. mysterious. funny sometimes. but like ruthless

[totheidiot]

i am going to combat the babygirl-ification of elias bouchard by saying that he is balding. the top of his head is hairless and he has got a little ring of gray hair around his head.

[princeasimdiya12]

Piqua Falls Part 2

So here is part 2 of the Captain Underpants Gravity Falls AU created by @tornrose24 along with @jackie-sugarskull @nintendogamergirlexe and myself. But we highly encourage any and all fans of CU and GF to participate in this AU either by sharing ideas for characters, potential plotlines or funny memes and fanart. This is an open discussion that all are welcome to join in on. The first part along with the last reblog can be found here.

Ooo yes. Definitely. Absolutely. Weird Al would be a perfect fit for the Several Times boy band and the gang would be hyped to see and interact with him. Since there’s no cloning of any kind, would you like there to be some other abnormal activity that he’d be involved in or him just being himself would be more than enough of the adventure?

And okay, I’ll be fine with Sawyer as Abuelita. I’m not sure where that post was where you made the comparison but I’ll be sure to find it.

I can see Erica wanting to work at the Mystery Shack despite Krupp being an overbearing and ruthless boss. She needs a challenge to test her endurance and mental capabilities. And it would be fun for her to rub it in Krupp’s face when she shows how capable she is. I also have some thoughts on what her character arc would be about. I was thinking that she’d be like a foil to George who is also an academically smart kid who has what it takes to achieve higher standing and seeks challenges that are stimulating to her. She represents George but if he was focused more on himself and what he could accomplish rather than just having fun in the moment and not accessing that potential. And to add on to it, he also has his close friendship with Harold which gives him more reason to have fun and not think of himself as much. Thus, Erica would come off as more detached from other kids her age. She’s friendly and willing to interact with them, but she doesn’t have the same bond as the boys have with each other. It’s something that perplexes her and sometimes she feels jealous that George has something he deems more valuable than his own potential.  (And it would be cool if she was hiding some of her own secrets. Particularly if she conveniently found a way to deal with the monster of the week that no one sees coming. Do you think she’d be part of the same government agency that Rhee and Yewh work at, thus setting her up as a potential Judas? Or is she from another dimension who is trying to keep Piqua Falls safe from the imminent threat of ‘He Who Must Not Be Named’. Because you end up laughing for hours on end if you hear or speak his entire full name.)

I’m really happy that you love the ideas! And I think that would be adorable! I love that Bo and Gooch would get to show off their musical talents. I’m not sure if the Bobeesas would allow it, what if as part of their mansion party, they hold a talent show in their mansion encouraging the youth of Piqua Falls to come and display their musical talents for the town and uppercrust. Bo and Gooch already have their banjo-organ duet set up but they take a drastic turn when they meet Annie Manda Presto (animando presto which is Italian for ‘to be fast in spirit’) a fierce girl with a serious attitude and a protégé opera singer. So while the boys try to get her attention for music advice, they also start to worry about their own music and may end up in conflict over the other’s musical taste. As for Harold, I take it that something happened in which Billy had to uphold his end of his deal with the devil which ended up crushing Harold either because of what Billy had to do or some misunderstanding. The gang tried to take him to the party to get his mind off of it but he was still in a slump. That is, until a mysterious masked boy with an aquatic necklace offers him his hand to dance…

You also make a valid point regarding Anthrope. It’s hard to imagine her being as insane or deadly compared to McGucket. Although her having emotional mood swings would definitely help her in that regard. (It’ll be kinda like Junko going through her personality changes in the last trial right @jackie-sugarskull ?) But if you’re not completely sold on Anthrope for the role, we can always change her for someone else.

That totally makes sense for Melvin. He’d be an established rival of the Shack since he’s trying to win over the public with his mechanical wonders. Made even more wonderous when he finds the second Journal and uses it to his advantage. His reputation in the town is often tarnished thanks to George and Harold publishing comics about Melvin that demean him and paint him as a laughable dweeb (this is one of the few times Krupp is okay with them making comics and even offers to copy them himself so there’s plenty for everyone). I’m thinking that he would end up creating his own monsters of the week in order to terrorize the gang while also trying to find a way to break through and learn of the Shack’s secrets. He’d still have his obsessive crush on Erica and would try to woo her with his smarts and superiority. And Erica returns the gesture with a knuckle sandwich.

Ooo I just had an idea. What if Krupp originally hired Melvin to help him rebuild the machine after he learned from the papers about him being a prodigal genius when it comes to inventing. So he brought him over to the shack with the promise of him being the next Einstein if he could figure out the machine and get it up and running. To Krupp, it actually seems like a miracle since the kid is a whiz at machines. But just because Krupp hires him doesn’t mean that the partnership is easy. Melvin is as insufferable and nitpicky as ever while Krupp doesn’t want him to ask too many questions and wants him to get it done asap. So while Melvin looks around the computer room, she comes across the Author’s loose notes and personal entries where they discuss the machine in vague terms while also referring to the danger of Poopypants as a powerful cosmic entity. Something clicks to Melvin that he becomes drawn to the entity and learns about the other journals which can lead him to personally communicate with him just like the Author did long ago. But Krupp realizes what’s about to happen and doesn’t want a repeat of his past mistake. So he stops Melvin from leaving with this new info by using one of the memory wipes left lying around. Thus, Melvin no longer remembers anything about the portal or him working for Krupp. But he knows  that something big is hiding underneath that primitive shack and he wants to find out what it is. And fortunately, he already knows where to look thanks to a note book page he stashed on himself that reveals the location of Journal 2.

And after that scuffle, Krupp becomes even more secretive regarding the portal and the shack itself. Even if the boys make fun of him for it, no one is learning his secrets on what’s underneath the shack.  Huh, I’m honestly seeing a lot of symbolism regarding the crummy shack that everyone knows and sees followed by the secret portal that no one knows about and how it harbors his darkest secret.

Awww that’ll be adorable. And if they do time travel back, then they may just meet only CU. If CU lived in Piqua Falls his whole life then Krupp wouldn’t have been around at the time. Unless of course he came to visit for a reunion of sorts thus giving the boys the chance to meet both men at the same time.  Aww now I’m imagining CU in his cape and underwear trying to ‘help’ people while freaking them out.

I’m really glad you like that zodiac sign for him. Lol And for the other characters, maybe we can include Lisa’s who’s symbol would be a musical note. Or the emblem belonging to her family which has a musical theme. Billy’s would be a seashell with a star in the middle; the shell representing his heritage and the star to show how his wish inspired him to change in different ways.

THE FOLLOWING CONTAINS SPOILERS THAT MAY NOT BE SUITABLE FOR CHILDREN, TEENS AND ADULTS WHO HAVE NOT YET WATCHED GRAVITY FALLS. VIEWER DISCRETION IS ADVISED.

Ahh I see what you mean. Well if necessary we can base them on the villains that are directly from George and Harold’s comics both in the book series and the animated series. ( The Wicked Wedgie Woman, the Egg Salad Manwich, the Turbo Toilet 2000, the 3 Robo-Boogers, Sir Stinks A lot, the Jorts Alien, the Socktopus, Jessica’s evil twin sister Messica etc.). As for Edith, it would make the most sense considering that neither she nor Krupp would willingly throw their frustrations at each other like the Stan twins. To quote Phineas Flynn, “Yes, yes we do.” And in all fairness, it’s hard not to make him suffer considering all the messed up things he does to everyone in every adaptation of CU ever. He brought this on himself and we’re at least thoughtful enough to give him a happy ending in any AU. Provided that he works for it. :p And yeah, Edith isn’t one to hold a grudge so she’d be willing to let Krupp into her life. But she does need a lot of time to readjust to every that happened in her absence along with ensuring that Poopypants isn’t successful in crossing over.

*ominous Latin music plays in the background even louder*

Ahh alrighty. Either way, it still sounds like a great outfit idea. :)

[mitigatedchaos]

Pirates Tell No Tales

Netflix has Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Men Tell No Tales up.  I want to note that I haven't seen the movie before it.

First: was it worth watching?  For me, as a learning exercise, perhaps.  For you?  It might not be.  Audiences rated it more highly than critics, but I’m not the kind of person to watch a lot of movies these days.  It did well internationally, but not in North America, where it was the lowest-grossing movie in the franchise.

I suspect that were Dead Men Tell No Tales the first movie, it would have failed to establish the franchise.

Now, as you may know, I tend to believe that people know things that they don't know they know.  

I believe that they also notice things that they don't realize they notice.  That's how good design works.  The average Joe can't tell you about a good visual composition, and doesn't have the words or concepts to describe it, but he can tell a good composition when he sees it because it *feels right*.

I think it's the same way with writing, and particularly with writing for movies.  Various movies are made with enormous budgets that rival government expenditures, and then they flop.  Why?  Well, aside from mismanagement causing the movies to cost more than they should in the first place, and issues with advertising, the answer is probably that they don't *feel right*.

And the root of it is probably the writing.  Now, "good writing" doesn't mean "pretentious writing" or "writing for the Literary-Genre Literature Fandom."  Nor does it always mean "popular writing," as something can be well-written but not *for* everyone.  It doesn't even mean "original writing" - a well-executed "standard" movie can do well.  

(Note: Reasonably-good writing doesn't guarantee box office success.  The Robocop reboot was, in my opinion, reasonably well-done.  But it came out in the wrong time.  You get more points for originality by being in the past, and it's hard to recapture the 'magic' of being within the right time context.  In this sense the "correct film" to make is actually Netflix's Altered Carbon series.  Sometimes you have to throw out the whole premise or radically rework it.  On the other hand, having worse writing isn't going to *help* unless you have a budget so low you can afford for your movie to be primarily enjoyed ironically.)

Given that a script should be relatively cheap, it seems better to improve the script before the first frame is shot to avoid costly flops.

With that in mind, here are some thoughts about *Dead Men Tell No Tales*.

Keep in mind that my tastes and sense of aesthetics may differ from others’.

[ SPOILERS FOLLOW ]

Witchery

The first issue is the handling of Carina being considered a witch.  

The problem is that it isn't funny.  We have a female character that's being called a witch by establishment authority figures because she knows mathematics and astronomy.  It works when the pirates do it, because we have a running joke that most of them are uneducated - and the one pirate that does seem to know academic knowledge isn't in this movie.  

The established authority figures shouldn't be that stupid / uneducated, which means there should be some motive beyond just "they hate women" for why they want to get rid of her.  That could be some spooky-looking fake magic on her part (which would show her as clever), a personal grudge by the governor, a social attack by a clique of other women, someone wanting to steal her research, etc.  If necessary, we could do this with one or two lines by one of the officials during the chase that shows hints enough at his real underhanded reason, though a scene would be preferable.  If it isn't funny, then we should make it dramatic.

And if the concept isn't dramatic, then we should make it funny.  Play up the absurdity of mathematics being considered witchcraft.  The scene with the telescope doesn't work well for this.  It's just "he's an effeminate man and hates and envies women so he calls her a witch."  It's a status-play.  If you want to show the dichotomy between treatment of men and women, have her disguised as a man and have him nodding along until he realizes she's a woman, then shout "witch!"

But as it stands, it isn't working well for either drama or humor.  She's the cool smart protagonist girl, therefore they call her a witch because they don't like her.  This honestly makes her harder, rather than easier, to relate to.

Ironically, this could work for an RPG character, because then the players would be in on the joke.  You'd have the (probable) woman playing the female character take the flaw that people think the character is a witch, then stick an item in the character's backstory to justify it or wallow in the absurdity and apply a Witch Penalty to charisma rolls at opportune times for hilarity.

However, people like to mock weak men, so let's imagine that we keep the weak man and the witch accusation.  How can we reconcile this?  Simple enough - have the woman humiliate Mr. Telescope earlier in the movie by showing him up intellectually in front of someone who doesn't know enough to realize she's the better one.  Then, have Mr. Telescope concoct an accusation of witchcraft, which gets her put in jail.  Now, for the humor element - this starts a rumor which spreads among the townsfolk, getting more ridiculous and elaborate each time as the townsfolk attempt to outdo each other.  (You still get to have the townsfolk be misogynistic!)  One important element of comedy is timing, and I think that the appropriate timing, aside from a short piece to establish why there is popular support for jailing her, is for this to come up as a recurring gag throughout the early part of the movie, until it hits a point where someone claims that she "couldn't possibly be the real witch" because the rumor has diverged so far from reality.

Want to work this in elsewhere?  Have the rumor end up hurting the actual witch that shows up later, falling into the custody of the British Empire because she does resemble the wildly-exaggerated rumors.

Captain Salad Bar

The main villain is introduced too early.  While that helps establish that there is a real threat against Jack Sparrow and Henry Turner, the problem is that it makes him NOT SPOOKY ENOUGH.  

The problem here is the previous movies.  The protagonists in the other Pirates of the Caribbean movies have overcome supernatural captains and supernatural foes before.  So the guy is a ghost?  That doesn't establish that he's more of a threat than any of the other defeated antagonists that were bested before.  (He’s certainly not as cool as Davy Jones.)  Unfortunately, this basically means they've spent the value of his Ghost Points and not gotten much intimidation for it.

So how do we get more intimidation for it?  Well, consider their boat, the Silent Mary.  It does this empty ribcage / jaw thing where it rises up and crashes down on a ship like it's going to eat it.  Now, it gets style points for running around floating without a complete hull.  But you know what would be cool?

Captain Salazar is a ghost.  A phantom.  Ethereal.  The echo of a time when pirates were nearly destroyed.  

What if, every time his ship attacks another ship, it gets either bigger or more complete, and every time he kills a pirate, he gets more powerful?  As the movie goes, he - and the threat he represents - are becoming more and more physical, more and more real.  The era of mass pirate death is returning from the dead by the will of one extremely vengeful spirit.

This keeps him mysterious, and thus preserves his supernatural aura, for longer.  It also builds tension, since if he gains power from killing pirates, what's to prevent him from becoming unstoppable?

This is *different* from what would necessarily make sense in a book.  But since it's a movie, we have the luxury of visual presentation to play with.

The British

Now, once we've done that, we have another problem to overcome with the script.  One that's already there.  

Pirates of the Caribbean has done non-supernatural villains working for the Empire that are credibly-threatening as villains and personally relatable.  You can watch Dead Man's Chest if you like for comparison.  Commodore Norrington is made a chewtoy by the movie, but he has some touch of dignity and a relatable goal.  He's also actually dangerous as per the plot.  As for Cutler Beckett of the East India Company, he is ruthless, not stupid, and his motivations are understandable enough and come with a thematic backdrop of the emergence of order tied to capital.

The Brits in Dead Men Tell No Tales are incompetent, unlikeable, and unmemorable.  They're just bumbling assholes overshadowed by the main villain.

However, that bank heist?  That's a good scene, conceptually.  It's actually funny!  It takes advantage of both movies as a visual medium and the special effects budget.

So we need them to bumble, only we've created a hole in the first part of the movie where we need a credible antagonist to threaten Jack Sparrow & Company.  

The solution is simple - put a metaphorical shark in charge of bumbling oafs.  That can even be humorous!  Lampshade it, even.  A smart man in charge of idiots can still be threatening.  Let's go back to the start, where we want Carina the Science Girl to be considered a witch.  The existing character is so forgettable that I can't even remember his name, so we'll call our replacement Captain British.  

Captain British will be in a foul mood because he has been assigned to this backwater port in the middle of nowhere, with a company of men he believes are incompetent (which is relatable, because they actually are incompetent), because of some earlier screw-up that wasn't entirely his fault.  He doesn't understand the obscure technical detail being argued between Mr. Telescope and Carina, but this is because he's not educated in the field, not because he's stupid.  But remember how Carina has that stubborn streak?  We simply imply that she's been a troublemaker for him prior to the start of the movie (this we don't have to show directly like the humiliation of Mr. Telescope), so he takes the witch accusation as an opportunity to get rid of her with plausible public backing of the townsfolk.

He also understands the value of commerce.  And prior to his assignment, the town was raided or robbed by pirates.  So he's pleased to have secured the bank vault opening in town.  Suck it, pirates!  Which gives us more investment - and potentially makes it funnier - when the bank is stolen.

He finds out about the Trident of Poseidon in his pursuit of Jack Sparrow - for stealing the vault - and of Carina for siding with him.  While he's mistaken that the two were cooperating at first, he develops a clearer understanding of the situation later.  Seeking the Trident would thus not only put him back in good-standing (if he even returns to Britain after obtaining it), but help him to spite Sparrow.

All of this makes it more powerful when he's ultimately defeated by Salazar and overtaken as the villain in the second half of the movie.

Jack the Sparrow

Jack lacks his normal charisma for some reason, and I don't think it was entirely planned.  Something about the dialogue.  He seems to get a bit of a boost when he's back on a boat, but it still doesn't seem quite right.  

Maybe bad luck was a curse from before?  Let's start with that.  Sparrow's bad luck should either be a literal curse or not be a literal curse.  If it's a curse, then we have the terms of the curse make others less likely to believe that it's a curse.  If it's *not* a curse, then either everyone else thinks Jack's cursed and wants to leave him, *or* Jack maintains that it's just a curse while everyone else says he's become too incompetent to be a captain.  There's a balance to pick here, since thinking it's a curse when it isn't carries that "pirates are kinda stupid" joke that's been a running theme in the movies and which contributed to some of the more amusing bits of the movie as it exists.  And, on the other side, it being an actual curse provides more potential motivation for Jack.  And if it's *not* a curse, but Jack thinks it's a curse, then there's some way we could reveal this at the end when curses are broken for humor value.

As for Salazar?  Jack needs a nightmare, earlier in the movie.  But it's not really a nightmare, it's a premonition.  He's sleep-deprived and is using alcohol to get drunk enough that he can actually sleep by being too drunk to get /remember the nightmare, which is why he's less lucid.  However, because of this, he (and thus the audience) doesn't see enough of the premonition to realize what's going on until shortly before Salazar overtakes Captain British as the main villain.

[ihaveatheoryonthat]

Wound up doing the extended zodiac quiz this morning, and immediately extended it to the Mystery Kids crossover. This gets long because I like to cite direct information, so it’s going under a cut.

Raz was first, because he’s the character I understand the best out of the cast. For him, I’m torn between Aquarist (violet, prospit, time) and Aquius (violet, prospit, breath). I’m leaning a bit toward Aquarist.

Violet:

“Violets built their own drum, and it's probably weird.”

Natural weirdness, but also contrarians

“Personable and outlandish”

“Ready to make friends with anyone“

“Hard time holding their tempers, [if they are] belittled or ignored.”

“An intellectual connection is necessary for them to be attracted to a prospective partner.“

Bonus: violet has the “Aqua” prefix

Prospit dreamer

“Flexible optimism”, “reactive and intuitive”

Exist in present, not future or past

React based on instinct and emotion

“Quick to act and reliable in a crisis“

“Can make them capricious”

Solve problems creatively, see multiple solutions

Possible aspect 1: Time

“They are fundamentally incapable of accepting things as they come.“

Act over accepting something

“even if that may not be the wisest or safest choice”

Goal-oriented

“you won't find them making that journey in any traditional sort of way.“

“If you need a miracle, they are who you call.“

“Empathetic and relentless problem solvers” at best

“Ruthless, defensive and impulsive” at worst.

Possible aspect 2: Breath

“Flexible and driven”, “leave an impact wherever they go“

“Sweep others up to carry along in their wake”

“Can be difficult to catch hold of or tie down“

“Often, heroism comes along as an offshoot of them pursuing their own personal stories.“

“Motivated, adaptable and forward thinking” at best

“Volatile, avoidant and gullible” at worst

Lili was the logical progression, and I’m thinking Capricen (purple, derse, blood), but wouldn’t rule out Capriza (purple, derse, mind)

Purple:

“Ambitious and driven”

“They have a very specific path in mind“

“If their practical brains convince them that their goal is unrealistic, they may be slow to trust anyone with the secret of their true desires.”

Funny, but “dryly macabre”

“People who will say [...] what everyone else was thinking”

Stubborn, difficult to dissuade once they’ve made up their mind

Trouble admitting they were wrong and/or upset

“In love they tend to be strictly monogamous and fiercely devoted, ready to pledge themselves to a person the same way they do their goals-utterly, and without reservation. “

Derse dreamer

“Personality marked by a distinct and restless skepticism. Whatever their waking circumstances, chances are they will live in a state of dissatisfaction.“

Identity built on control, “will do their utmost to hide any insecurities“

“Inflexible and pessimistic, but [...] great problem solvers”

“Facing conflicts head-on with shrewd, calculating minds”

“Find sincere vulnerability difficult“

“will often keep people at arm's length“

“constantly look toward the future and analyze the past.”

Possible aspect 1: Blood

“Draw their strength from bonds“

“trust and camaraderie that blooms among a group of people who all share a single vision”

“Blood-bound are absolutely leaders”

“They are prophets, rather than generals“

“Giving others the strength and motivation to keep fighting.“

Give great advice, “even when their own lives and interpersonal relationships are disasters.“

“Charismatic, uplifting and magnetic” at best

“Sullen, unkind and set-in-their-ways” at worst

Possible aspect 2: Mind

“Universe’s great thinkers”, “But don't for a second think that means that they have all the answers.“

“when a Mind-bound finally launches into action, they can execute a plan with unbelievable grace and precision“

Emphasis on being logical

“Innovators, architects, creators” at best

“Nasty, inflexible, indecisive” at worst

Mabel is next, and I’m pretty sure Libinus (teal, prospit, hope) is best for her, but stopped to consider Liblo (teal, prospit, heart).

Teal: Libra/late August birthday. As dictated by the twin’s canonical birthday, I didn’t choose this so much as highlight how it could fit.

“Natural charmers”, “social and flirtatious”

“Great at parties and public speaking events.“

“Strong moral sense”, “right and wrong are very obvious”

“It can frustrate them that others don't see the world the same way they do.“

“Idealism can make them strong defenders of justice“

“Can also result in them being incredibly let down.“

“They can be gullible and too quick to trust.”

“They have vibrant imaginations, and enjoy fiction and roleplaying“

“Often those games will resemble the lives they want“

“Have a tendency to get involved with people who are very obviously wrong for them out of a desire not to be alone.”

Prospit dreamer

“Flexible optimism”, “reactive and intuitive”

“They have trouble thinking things through, and their feelings toward specific situations and decisions can change from day to day.“

“They solve problems with creativity rather than cold logic, often seeing multiple options with ease and clarity.

“Naturally trusting, they have trouble with deception or hiding their true selves, and will often worry about what others think of them. The self they project into the world is often not under their control.”

Possible aspect 1: Hope

“They do right for right's sake“

“what they see as the "right" thing may not always be the universally accepted view.”

“Put great value in the power of the imagination“

“ability to dream up a better and more beautiful future“

“If anyone could dream a better world into existence, it would be one of the Hope-bound.“

“Aren't adverse to a little destruction”

“especially if they think they can replace it with something better and more just“

“Positive, caring and warm” at best

“Narrow-minded and selfish” at worst.

Possible aspect 2: Heart

Very concerned with themselves

“Forging an identity is extremely important“

“every decision and action goes toward building a coherent narrative of their own story.“

“Competent, imaginative and steady” at best.

“Overbearing, inflexible and cold” at worst

Dipper I don’t understand quite as well as Mabel, but I’m pretty sure he’d be Lipia (teal, derse, light), or, less likely, Libza (teal, derse, mind).

Teal: Libra/late August birthday. As dictated by the twin’s canonical birthday, I didn’t choose this so much as highlight how it could fit.

“Right and wrong are very obvious to [them]”

“It can frustrate them that others don't see the world the same way they do.“

“Their strict adherence to procedure can lead to errors in judgement“

“they can be gullible and too quick to trust.”

“They have vibrant imaginations, and enjoy fiction and roleplaying“

“Often long for a hero, someone they can idolize and count on, with the smarts and charisma to keep up with them.“

“Unfortunately, they have a tendency to get involved with people who are very obviously wrong for them“

Derse dreamer

“marked by a distinct and restless skepticism.“

“cerebral and self-aware”

Understand self better than world around them “which they can find alienating and confusing.“

“Identity is built on control”

“will do their utmost to hide any insecurities, often with false humility or self-deprecating humor.“

“but they are also great problem solvers, facing conflicts head-on with shrewd, calculating minds.“

“Tend to be introverted”

“they find sincere vulnerability difficult and will often keep people at arm's length.“

“Letting go and living in the moment is hard for a Derse Dreamer; they constantly look toward the future and analyze the past.”

Possible aspect 1: Light

“Above all, driven to learn and understand.“

“Scholars and researchers”

“Dedicated to knowledge for knowledge's sake.“

“Will go after knowledge with a fierce intensity that others may find distasteful.”

“Aren't overly concerned with laws or norms, either.

“Often take rules as simple suggestions, [...] searching for loopholes or work-arounds.”

“Resourceful and driven” at best

“Fussy, pedantic and insensitive” at worst.

Possible aspect 2: Mind

“Don't for a second think that means that they have all the answers.”

“Very concerned with remaining rational“

“Easy for them to see the multitudes of the choices laid out before them, which often leaves them frozen and unable to act.“

“Remaining logical is more important to them than building up a solid foundation of "self."“

“Innovators, architects and creators” at best

“Nasty, inflexible and indecisive” at worst.

Norman I’m also torn on, pretty evenly between Piga (fuchsia, derse, space) and Pittarius (fuchsia, derse, void). I was also considering Pimini (fuchsia, derse, doom).

Fuchsia:

“Strong imagination”

“They have an otherworldly quality to them that draws others in.“

“Has more to do with what they don't tell you“

“[have] an air of mystery that would [...] perplex [them] if you told them”

“They aren't usually trying to be alluring-they're just lost in thought.”

“Sensitive and anxious”

“spend a lot of time worrying-about the world, the future, and what others think of them.“

Derse dreamer

“Marked by a distinct and restless skepticism.“

“Cerebral and self-aware”

Understand self better than world around them “which they can find alienating and confusing.“

Identity “built on control”

“do their utmost to hide any insecurities“

“self-deprecating humor.“

“Tend to be introverted”, “will often keep people at arm's length.“

“Constantly [...] analyze the past.”

Possible aspect 1: Space

“Patient”, “inclined to take things as they come”

“isn't to say that they're pushovers or willing to let injustice lie”

“choose their battles wisely”

“understanding that sometimes you have to let something burn to the ground in order to build it back better and stronger than before.”

“Concerned with creation and redemption”

“the journey is as, if not more, important than the destination; how they do something is as important as what they do.“

“Steady impartial and creative” at best

“Detached, apathetic and vague” at worst

Possible aspect 2: Void

“The universe’s secret keepers”

“The unknown doesn't scare them”

“Where others might see emptiness, they see potential.”

“Value mystery and the unexplained“

“Not particularly bothered by not having all the answers”

“In order for something new to be built, the old, rotting foundation must often be razed.”

“Wise, intuitive and vibrant” at best

“Dismissive, indecisive and apathetic” at worst.

Possible aspect 3: Doom

“Understand that misery loves company“

“Ready and willing to provide said company.“

“They are commiserators, aware that sometimes the only thing you can do for a person is let them know that they are not alone in their suffering.“

“Not the advice friend”, but the friend to vent to

“Wise, kind and non-judgemental” at best

“Bitter, resentful and fatalistic” at worst.

Coraline... I am not especially confident in my understanding of. It’s been awhile since I’ve seen the movie, and am relying heavily on what I remember of her motivations/actions. That being said, I’m thinking she could be Airborn (rust, derse, rage), Arittarius (rust, derse, void) or Arun (rust, derse, breath), though I think Ariborn is the most accurate, with my current understanding.

Rust:

“Adventure motivates Rust Signs more than anything“

“Crave new experiences, the wilder and farther-from-home, the better”

“They are confident and energetic, ready to face the unknown.“

“Makes them great leaders”, “can also make them foolhardy”

“Often, they don't posses the level of caution they should for someone so willing to jump into new things.“

“Their willingness to trust can get them into trouble, but they are also incredibly resilient. Their ability to bounce back from trauma and injury leaves them as the toughest sign class on the spectrum.”

“Make great friends and traveling companions, but they also can be selfish and quick to anger.“

“If what they deem to be an acceptable level of "excitement" isn't happening around them, they have a tendency to try to stir some up.“

“If someone doesn't live up to these [standards], they may deem them not worth their time.“

Derse dreamer

“distinct and restless skepticism.“

“Whatever their waking circumstances, chances are they will live in a state of dissatisfaction.“

“Rebellion is in their blood”

“Will do their utmost to hide any insecurities”

“They may be inflexible and pessimistic, but they are also great problem solvers, facing conflicts head-on.”

“They see one true path among [the] wrong ones.”

“They find sincere vulnerability difficult and will often keep people at arm's length.“

Possible aspect 1: Rage

“Bringers of chaos”

“They posses great contempt for lies or false ideas, including the stability that false ideas can impart.“

“To them, the true is far more important than the good; they would tear down a system just to destabilize it if, by their reckoning, it is built on faulty premises.“

“Bringers of confusion and doubt, and [can be] difficult to convince otherwise when they have attached themselves to an idea.”

“Original, revolutionary and fearless” at best

“Cruel, uncompromising and vicious” at worst

Possible aspect 2: Void

“unknown doesn't scare them“

“where others might see emptiness, they see potential. A blank page, an empty canvas, that's what the Void-bound live for.“

“Where others might be compelled to go out and seek answers, the Void-bound lean more toward casting doubt on what is already considered fully understood.”

“Wise, intuitive and vibrant” at best

“Dismissive, indecisive and apathetic” at worst.

Possible aspect 3: Breath

“Leaven an impact wherever they go”

“able to sweep others up to carry along in their wake,“

“Although Breath-bound do make very good leaders, breath tends to be a very personal aspect. Often, heroism comes along as an offshoot of them pursuing their own personal stories.“

“Motivated, adaptable and forward thinking” at best

“Volatile, avoidant and gullible” at worst.

I have no idea about Neil or Wybie since I haven’t seen either movie in ages, and don’t feel comfortable going by their fandom interpretations, lest I mischaracterize them.