#hws mama greece

[coralcatsea]

[heracleskarpusi]

byzantine mama greece and mama iberia drawings once again because i love women 💕

[hetagrammy]

In the asoiaf au, who is Herakles's father?

I was originally going to leave it ambiguous and have we all know that his dad was Dornish, but your own hcs about Mama Greece and Persia inspired me :)

It remains to be seen if Persia is still alive though, as it stands to reason Romulus wouldn't want the guy who messed around with his wife (granted before he married her) still present. A big part of his marriage to Helene was that she had to give up her attachments to Herakles, and that was probably the biggest rift in their marriage. The adultery is one thing, but the fact that he campaigned that hard to marry her and then went on to have affairs on her is a whole other. That's it's own issue though. And let's be clear, Helene did love him at the time they got married, they had two children together for a reason, she's not a helpless victim in this scenario (granted she did not have much choice what with Patriarchy™ being a thing).

The caveat here is that Romulus doesn't like to do things subtly, you could call it honor, but really it's more him wanting to take the credit for beating his rivals. He doesn't want a slip down the stairs to take someone out, he wants it to be him. If Persia died in a slightly suspicious way and people sideye him though... that could also be a potential thread.

[the-phoenix-heart]

Please do spill some of your Mama Greece hcs sometime if you feel comfortable because I love your thoughts on her

You have unleashed a beast Grammy. Here's a brief life history of my Mama Greece. (I can say so much more)

Human Name: Helene (also Lavinia, we'll get to it)

Her father was Mycenae (Mycenaean Greece). She looked up to him greatly as a child.

I headcanon that the City-States of Greece were also personified, and that Helene represented the Greek World as a whole, the one that followed after Mycenae Greece. The City-States aren't really related to her, I kind of characterize them as a cousins.

The City-States don't have much personality that I've decided, but Sparta was a women and a badass, and Athens was a philosophizing misogynist.

For a long time, because Helene represented the Greek World as a whole and the City-States were in charge of themselves she mostly got to spend her time doing whatever the hell she wanted. Disguising herself as a man often, and becoming a genius in mathematics and philosophy. She wasn't so much bothered with war and work for a long time, though she was was a skilled sword woman. She spent much of her time in this period in a hedonistic lifestyle (and I like to think she was involved with the Cult of Dionysus)

And then there was Persia. Their relationship was one you could call enemies with benefits. Vitriolic, Helene didn't much like him, but he was a good fuck. Their relationship got worse overtime, though there was a mutual respect between the two. Basically the France and England of the Ancient times.

When Macedonia began to conquer Greece, I characterize this as him killing off the City-States. Now obviously these places lived on, but it was still a turning point in Greek history, and I think eventually Macedonia would go after Helene - to become the "true" Greek World - and Helene would kill him in turn.

This is when Helene takes on a lot more responsibility. She becomes more a warrior and get into politics. This is also around the time where she and Persia have their final match and she kills him.

Greece is born around this time. Either he pops out of the ground and she finds him, or she actually gives birth to him. I headcanon he comes out of the ground. Either way, he is her and Persia's son and is born during the Hellenistic Period. (What will eventually become Iran is also born of this union and Idk if Helene had any contact with her at this time)

Gonna skip forward a bit to her relationship with Rome. Rome is a complex relationship. They did deeply love each other, Rome more so. He would call her the Venus to his Mars. That said, he still cheated on her frequently, and she could never truly forgive him for taking over her. Still, they were married. They were a devoted, loving couple. She was a vital part of him and his muse in many respects. And she helped raise his children. Romano was her son with Rome, and she was one of Veneziano's mothers (Vene has two mothers, her and Gaul, and Rome is obviously his father.)

(Rome tried to bring Gaul back home once and Helene shut that shit down quickly.)

She lived off and on between her house in her homelands and Rome's villa. I don't know where Greece was at the time, although a part of me wants to say Greece was not allowed to be raised in Rome's home with his sons. So possibly Greece spent most of his time when he and his Mama would visit Rome living with the servants and Helene would be sure to visit him throughout the day and make sure he was doing alright. When they would return to her home she would make sure she could be as openly affectionate with him as possible.

The "Divorce" happens when she becomes the Eastern Roman Empire, which Rome wasn't exactly a fan of. She moved to Constantinople with Greece, though she and Rome may have sometimes had secret trysts.

I have this imagine in my head that when he died she found his body and slipped his bloody helmet off of his head and placed it on her own. She renamed herself the Byzantine Empire and took on a new human name, Lavinia. The ancient of wife of Aeneas.

Also, as Byzantine she marries Kievan Rus (Olga) or at least they become a couple for a while, which makes her technically Ukraine, Russia, and Belarus's other mother. There was some love there, but their relationship was strained. She was not much of a mother to Rus's kids as well, though Ukraine has memories of Mama Byzantine and how powerful and glorious she was.

As for Romano and Veneziano, both were territories for her at a time, but I think she would have left them in their respective territories to be educated/raised by their people in charge. They are just a reminder of their father and what he did to her, though she does miss them and sometimes visit them. I think losing Romano would've been harder on her than losing Veneziano. Romano was always her favorite of the two, plus the loss of Southern Italy was different than the loss of Venice. She willingly gave Veneziano indepdence. Romano she held onto for a long time but eventually lost.

...Plus little Veneziano would eventually take the attitude of "Fuck You This Is Mine Now" and played a part in her weakening when he not only funded a trip to reinstate a deposed Byzantine prince but then looted and pillaged Constantinople when he didn't get his money back and took some more of her lands. Bad Veneziano. Sit in your corner and think about what you've done (I genuinely don't know how this works with his canon personality but this did all happen irl) (also yes I see Veneziano as Venice because I find that to make the most sense and be coolest for his character)

And then we fast forward to her eventual death at the hands of Turkey. Do I think he loved her? ...I think he was in awe of her. I think he loved the idea of her. I think he looked at her history and I think he wished that he could be like her or wished that he could be with her. But also, he did kill her. In my imagery laden mind he finds her under an olive tree and killed her there. Maybe there was a fight. Maybe she finally accepted it.

tl;dr: Helene starts as the heir to a power vacuum after the death of her father, but instead of taking charge and responsibility she spends her time doing as she pleases and learning while the city-states handle things. Until Macedonia roles up and she kills him before he can kill her and she takes charge, she kills her rival and sometimes lover Persia and he gives her her greatest treasure Herakles, her son. And also has a daughter that she doesn't interact with much. She marries Rome to survive and forms a loving, if dysfunctional marriage and has another son Romano, and there's also Veneziano who is her son with Rome but also Gaul. When Rome is killed she takes her place as the Byzantine empire and spends years just trying to survive and adapt and persevere until finally she accepts her death at the hands of Turkey.

For personality headcanons: I characterize her being motivated by a fear of death to collect as many skills as possible and adapt to her surroundings. The Greeks HATED talking about death and I think that would bleed over into her actual beliefs. I think she rarely, if ever, let herself die, because she was always afraid that she would die for the final time.

By the end of her life she is a full on genius. Math, language, astronomy, art, philosophy, even music and theatre. She had this insatiable curiosity and need to learn that sometimes overtook her best instincts of survival.

Physical Headcanons: 6'0'' because I can. Her body fluctuates between incredibly muscular, on the thicker side, and thin from weakness over her many years of life. For some basic ages: By the the she kills Persia she is physically in her early twenties. Late twenties when she marries Rome. Early thirties when she takes over as Byzanties. Early-Mid forties at her death (Turkey is into Milfs).

This is what I think she would have looked like probably around the time she married Rome. It is missing a few details. She's not as tanned as I imagine her, she doesn't have the moles I imagine her having, and I couldn't get her nose right-I imagine she has a hooked nose.

[fertaine]

CW BLOOD

felt silly today (reference under cut!!)

[greengreekeyes25]

Until my last moment... i will love you.

[rosesandalfazemas]

Obsession - my perfect flower

Rarepair Hetalia Week - DAY III - Flowers

Third work for @hwsrarepairweek2022!

Ancient history is difficult to roleplay, because you need such a good and deep lecture, plus the translation to the Hetalia core. I always liked Ottoman, but I didn't pay much attention to Asia/Europe's Ancestors, because I did all my work, for many years, with Latinamerican's (which we call los Tatas in Latin Hetalia). So yep, the guilty there is me )?. Hope you like it! It was simplier this time.

Little story of this composition behind the cut!

Now I can see better Heracles and his mother, thanks to a really simp of those, @greengreekeyes25. And she asked me once to tell/play the beggining of this relationship, before Karpusi - and to explained why Türkiye loves him so much. So I took the work I did with Al Andalus and I followed the same HC. Sadiq (in that moment Anatolia - called Al Gharb, as a human name) had a great admiration for Greece, since she was older. He took her as a mentor. But history is history, and suddenly the turquish dinasties became stronger and longer and one day, he grew up. And she wanted to survive so, she started wanting him in other ways, because her hunger for power, as an Impire, obssesed her with him. Unfortunately, he was so strong that he took her, instead, for a period of time, and obsession became mutual.

[ask-hetaaca-denmark]

☄

☄️ - what is their biggest regret?

TW FOR FLASHING GIF

“... I don’t think I could name one specific instance.”

“I couldn’t..

...

...

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I could’ve done so much differently..

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I could’ve done more..”

I.. could’ve been better..”

He hiccups as tears run down his face, only barely impeded by his hand trying to wipe them away.

“..I...I’m so so rr y...”

[hetaliakinfessions]

Hello, I'm Mama Greece and I just want to say that I love my husband, Rome, and our two sons 💕

[heracleskarpusi]

i firmly believe that mama greece’s main motivation in all that she does is to protect her children, no matter what… and that’s pretty much what i wanted to convey with this piece. tbh it was originally just a doodle but then i really liked it and decided to finish it, so there’s no specific historical event i based this off, it’s just generally the idea that she is protecting a very young heracles from whatever the threat is.

[heracleskarpusi]

mama greece doodles :3 didn’t really like the second one cause something looks off about the head,,, but oh well 🤷‍♀️

[heracleskarpusi]

byzantine mama greece :3 i love byzantine fashion it’s just so tedious to draw tbh

[coralcatsea]

At least they can agree on a certain sun god.

Was too lazy to redraw the background this time so I just edited the original guys out. 😆

[heracleskarpusi]

doodles from last night because i have a horrible cold rn and this is all i could muster up

first one is mama iberia :3 hopefully it’s mostly historically accurate, admittedly this is not really my area of expertise,,, my one friend loves her and knows quite a bit about ancient iberia so i tried to take that with some of the refs she sent for this

and then second is mama greece, third is antonio, and fourth is young heracles :3

[hetagrammy]

The Hand of the King... and the wife he frequently forgets about, yet can't function without

[hetagrammy]

"We Become We" but it's Romulus and Helene is living rent free in my brain now